Easy to Extreme: We Take The Ineos Grenadier Back To Moab For More Punishment! 

Exactly , I think it’s the W463 G wagon underpinning’s replacement which Magna had evolved for Mercedes . They decided the pop stars & footballers didn’t care about off reading so went with conventional front independent suspension . Like you j had a G wagon and I did replace it with the grenadier . I’m so glad I did , the bmw diesel is a peach . My only moan is on a cosmetic side , the modern bmw gear never . Why they didn’t use an old style bmw lever is beyond me. Other than that it’s a fair better built truck than my 2018 G wagon .

What does a G-Wagen cost in Austria?

@@nyc8452 depends on the model you buy. It starts around 170.000,-- Euro (185.000,-- US$).

Here in the US, we can’t buy anything like the stripped back GWagen professional config. We only have options for pimped out configs for $140k and up, THEN we have to spend another $40-70k to strip out all the garbage we didn’t want in the first place and turn it back into what we wanted all along. Aaaaaand it will still not have a solid front axle. Mercedes saw they could make a ton of money selling purple GWagens with massive rims and posh leather to rappers - and they were right. In the meantime, the G Wagen lost its soul. This isn’t Magna Steyr’s fault - the platform is solid. It’s just Mercedes following the money.

Same Magna plant also builds the Supra right?

Is anyone making dashboards that aren’t plastic?

But that logic gives no value to the parts it replaces. For example if you were building a vehicle from scratch, you either pick independent suspension or solid axle right? You don’t ADD the cost of solid axle to the price on top of buying independent suspension. With the grenadier everyone makes that same excuse, “it’s beefier” ok so if an independent suspension costs $3,000 and a solid one costs $5,000… that would add $2,000 to the cost of the vehicle NOT $30,000 😅. I was ready and had a grenadier being built for me but I backed out with the $80,000 price tag. On a Lexus GX for example, the price of the electric seats, the price of the analog gauge cluster, the mark levinson stereo, the existing independent suspension, the 3rd row of seats etc, imagine taking all of that out and getting a refund and buying solid axels and skid plate with the cost of ALL those parts. Why does it cost more? The lack of things should be credited to the vehicle and somehow that was lost. You take all the stuff off of a 4Runner, what is the parts value? Why does this cost $30,000 more than a 4Runner? It doesn’t make any sense.

It's Magna, not Magma.

@@WildernessGuyBC Yeah you’re right !…will fix the typo

@@alexsystems2001 All I am saying is that the the quality of the parts, and thus the price per part, will likely increase the overall cost of the vehicle …On the other hand, Toyota has extraordinary better ability to scale efficiencies and arguably put more content into a vehicle than Ineos can.

Most are moving towards 35s asap. The drivetrain will handle 37s when the time comes, unlike a jeep or bronco or any ifs rig

I look forward to a 1-2 yr review on how livable & reliable this thing is.

Imagine this with Portals...

Same...

As an owner of one, I agree, you do.

Well you are a little biased 😂 Guess I will be when ours comes in as well ​@@alexwbakker

@@lloydswartz7354 I am the biggest fan of the LX470, and really like the new GX and LC, but, honestly feel like the grenadier captures the spirit better. It’s definitely lacking polish and requires some mods, but it’s so fun.

@@alexwbakker Totally agree. But I also I am someone looking at the durability of the drivetrain, and have dealt with IFS hell my entire life until the Power Wagon. And not carrying a trailer load of spare front end everything is sure nice. Modifying that new Lexus...I mean how much sawzall for all that plastic? I hate plastic stuff on the exterior.

I think this is incredibly priced, you’ve gotta bare in mind this isn’t a mega company like mercedes and its stupid good quality. has a ladder frame thats rust proofed, super beefy suspension set up etc etc

Agreed, people are comparing the pricing to vehicles that aren’t similar at all. This is somewhere between a wrangler and a g wagon and I think the price suits that as a specialty vehicle.

It's not the barebones stuff about it that doesn't fit the price, but not coming standard with power seats or fully fleshed out software that works entirely as intended and can be customized. The vehicle is incredibly capable and worth a pretty penny, but the very basic creature comforts should keep up with the price.

I would have locked all three diff locks at the bottom before starting and just cruised up slowly and in control. Not to mention letting about 50% of the air out of the tyres.

Nissan actually said this in its original Xterra commercials in 2000.

@@jasonperry7970 stole it from roman. your point? i had an xterra. great vehicle.

Unfortunately, so are the tie rods. ‘22 Wildtrak owner. 😩

@@andyorr1597 I got the broncbuster bushing and tie rod braces for my 23 Badsquatch. I haven’t had an issue yet and I bash around pretty hard. The tie rod issue is definitely a weak point in the design, but I suppose it’s supposed to be. The tie rod is supposed to break so that the steering rack won’t. I feel your pain tho.

@@Papershields001 nice move on the upgrade! I do miss that Trail Turn Assist feature. Had lots of fun with the Bronco.

Sounds like they actually might be just the light won't turn off until you turn. And if the tie rods are breaking as easy as it sounds then they should be tougher and so should the steering rack.

@@ConSeann3ry considering the new broncos are only on their 3rd year of production models they are a remarkably evolved product. Yes the steering rack and tie rods can be improved upon but my experience with it has been excellent, nothing but routine maintenance for 20k miles and I beat the hell out of it.

The Tacoma should walk up that obstacle with just atrac. This is fins and things, the wall optional obstacle on the southern half. I’d definitely like to see it tho so TFL, get on it 😉

this video is just 2 days old how is a 3 weeks old comment possible?

Exactly

Morning

2 doors don't sell.

@@technom3598 Jeep is still selling two doors and you see a decent amount of them, same with the new Broncos.

Bro the lockers in the Grenadier are also instant off. The vehicles just makes a second test to make sure they are really 100% off before signaling it, so you don't damage the car. But they are off as soon as you press the button

Coming from someone who lives in a country with a terrible reputation for overpriced badly built unreliable vehicles.

Needs tires. But jeeps just do not have the space for overlanding.

@@lloydswartz7354gladiators and 4 doors sure do. I get by fine with 2 doors tho.

Comparing Grenadier to anything else than G Wagon (which it is except for a better drivetrain) makes no sense.

Why did you cancel? I’m considering cancelling my order too…..For Me the price is way more than makes sense and looking more seriously at the GX550

@@CJ-rk5eg It was a number of reasons, like the fact we were relocating to a less rugged part of the country, and deciding the price became unreasonable for an unproven company. Also having a family now we can not trailblaze as we use to lol. We went to their set up test drive and I really liked! Tbh we just want to see how it works out over 2 years, or so. We already decided on the GX 550 Overtrail and will be getting ours during first deliveries lol. Toyota/Lexus is proven lol

@@lunamaria1048 Sounds like we are in similar situations which make sense.

@@CJ-rk5egthey are both too expensive

@@CJ-rk5eg I have seen the GX 550 at Overland Expo and an auto expo, so very happy with what I have seen! I have owned two 4Runners over the past 11 years, so I know I'll love it!

You should appreciate the fact that one get a GWagon on the cheap.

you can't compare a 1995 80 series Land Cruiser at all, the safety standards now are 3 fold of what 1995 was, that is why you can't buy a new 70 series Land Cruiser available in other parts of the world and not in North America, they don't meet our safety standards even though they are over engineered, so you compare you lose, the new Land Cruiser is not going to be any cheaper than the Ineos Grenadier,and you have to admit it is plenty capable for a new first year vehicle and you'll never buy a good condition 95 LC like yours for $12k in Canada here the rusty ones sell for more like 18k or higher, people think they are gold , they are good not gold

True enough on most accounts, but my comparison is essentially highlighting the similarities I find in the two platforms, safety requirements and age aside. In their time, these land cruisers were nearly 50k, an absurd thought to many then I expect.

Because they intend it to be an overland adventure vehicle and not a hard core rock crawler to replace the jeep.

Yes - Jeep, Bronco and Grenadier all have the same issue b/c the windscreen is flat and upright for forward visibility and upright/high driving position. I still have to get Exoshield on mine - essential

Yes. Mine has a rock chip after only a month. Small and more of an annoyance. Not replacing until absolutely necessary. Love the truck so far!

@@ScottUSA-jy6po that sucks. I’m hoping to get the Exoshield and a nose wrap next week - will send update on owners forum

Yeah, they really make it more complicated than it is. It's just a two-press process. They need to read the manual already.

The wall is an optional obstacle on Fins and Things

No of course not.

Rubicon is a rock crawling toy, which is a completely useless characteristics anywhere in the world outside of a few US states where people rockcrawl for fun. Grenadier is designed as durable utility vehicle for poor road infrastructure conditions, not as a toy.

Rear and front are controlled with the overhead buttons, center lock is the post next to the ZF shift arm - lift the collar and jam it to 4H, 4L, locked or unlocked. A nice mechanical clunk and away you go. Old school, just like the hand brake.

@@ElderStatesman-pi3lc I realize that but it would not be 4wd if you unlocked the transfer case

@@mikehunt-ew3pmMike - it’s important to separate the idea of 4wd from locked center diff. The Grenadier is full time 4wd - meaning power goes to all 4 wheels according to the needs of each wheel. Slipping differentials allow that power supply and the rate of turn to differ for different wheels - imagine turning a corner on dry pavement - the wheels on the inside of the turn radius need to travel shorter distance than those of the outside. The center diff, when it is locked, connects the “push” between the front wheels and back wheels. When the center diff is unlocked, it DOESNT mean you are no longer in 4wd- it just means the front and back are powered differently. Let’s say you are going up on a sandy or icy ledge - where only the rear has traction. You don’t want the front tires spinning, so lock the center diff and you’ll glide up, nice and easy. The front and rear lockers synchronize the front and rear wheels on their respective axles - helpful in a scenario where you have alternating deep ruts or boulders and one wheel would be left hanging. So, center connects front to back, front connects left and right on front axle, rear connects left and right on rear axle - but you’re ALWAYS in 4wd even if all 3 are unlocked.

The steer8ng not wanting to center can easily be fixed by turbing the worm gear bolt back a little bit. I know this because when I was taking the slop put of the steering in my 03 discovery, I tightened it too much, and it didn't want to center. I backed it off just a little, and it was perfect. No play in the steering, and it still centered. Im sure you could back that bolt out just a bit on the steering gear box, and it would have the same effect.

Ah, another very well-heeled offroad enthusiast such as myself! This thing is no Bentley nor a Maybach but it will cut through the bush like sixes & sevens if you catch my drift old boy!

@@mattalexander4699 and I still have less invested in my off road rigs than 60% of the Jeepers in Moab… the Field Master is my wife’s.

Does anybody lift GWagons?

Is this not relevant to Overlanding?

Is this not relevant to Overlanding?

The land cruiser would drag it's ass all over that.

Or a $4000 Xterra?

Taxes import duty exchange rates etc. mine was cheaper than a Wrangler in France.

Ok lets be incredibly real here. This vehicle can not do what a wrangler can do