Easy Ways To Tame The Fender Hot Rod Deluxe [Input 2, Dr Watson, Tube Changes & More!]

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Simple things to transform your experience of the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe guitar amplifier… should you want to
Welcome to the show! We published a video on July 14 2023, exploring ways in which you can tame the somewhat visceral nature of Fender’s Hot Rod Deluxe… should you wish to. That video was full of useful stuff, but many of you came back with a bunch of other suggestions, some of which are very simple and effective.
Here are our faves among those suggestions, as we explore yet more ways to turn this amp into something more usable for lower volume use.
Please enjoy the show!
SAFETY WARNING! Valve guitar amplifiers contain potentially lethal voltages. If you’re in ANY doubt about changing valves, don’t do it - take it to a tech.
Pedals & stuff in this episode
• TheGigRig Three2One
www.thegigrig.com/three2one
• Sonic Research Turbo Tuner ST-200
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• Boss SD-1W
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• Walrus Audio ARP-87
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• Doctor Watson Lion Tamer
We found ours on eBay
• Groove Tubes Substi-Tube 928-PR
No longer available new as far as we’re aware
Search for ‘Yellow Jackets’
Interesting bits and go-to sections
0:00 Intro playing
2:00 Why are we doing this again?
2:50 What’s the ‘problem’?
3:47 Volume pot taper…
4:40 Is that a problem?
6:20 Four things we’ll do today
7:00 Why is the Hook amp there?
8:00 Thing 1 - The Low Input
15:13 Thing 2 - Use The Drive Channel
28:07 Thing 3 - Dr Watson Lion Tamer
34:45 Dr Watson with delay in the front?
39:08 Thing 4 - Change Out Valve V1 intro
45:00 Preamp valve change sounds
51:00 Thing 5 - Change The Power Valves intro
54:20 Power valve change sounds
59:28 12AY7 & EL84s & Lion Tamer at lower volume
1:04:30 Closing thoughts and observations
Guitars in today’s episode
• 1961 Fender Stratocaster - Mick’s video here: • Three New Strats For M...
• Gibson USA SG Standard ’61 Maestro Vibrola - no video yet
Amps in today
• Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III - links to latest version
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USA: sweetwater.sjv.io/215moa
• Hook Amps Little Lenny II
hookamps.com/lenny/
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@RubyRoks 11 месяцев назад

Bravo to Mick for juggling amp settings, amp cam, co-hosting, playing, etc throughout this video.

@tnagewasteland320 Месяц назад

Thanks boys for doing this. Spent about 5 hours at multiple shops this weekend trying to find a tube amp to replace my Vox Pathfinder 15smr for home use. Stumbled on a HRD that sounded incredible with my Jag Special HH and beat any smaller amp I tried (ac15, blues jr IV, etc) by a country mile. There was no denying that it would be pushing the upper limit of what Id call acceptable for a home use volume, however. Doable, but definitely WAY more power than I need. Bought myself a master volume pedal (similar to the JHS LBB) which will hopefully get me where I need to go, but cant thank yall enough to show how many more options I have to give myself more range while still keeping the tone that I fell in love with.

@jamesschaffner1992 11 месяцев назад

I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating: I used the overdrive channel of a hot rod deville for years, for hundreds of gigs, before somebody told me I wasn’t supposed to like it.

@artysanmobile 2 месяца назад

Its Presence control should be set to OFF if not slightly lower.

@killereverb3928 2 месяца назад

Nobody had to tell me. I’m the self-directed type: I hated the way the amp sounded immediately!

@WayneChurchill-zd3pm Месяц назад

I have adaptor for the loopstation you can control the volume more

@jonaserfors6901 11 месяцев назад

Just came back from first gig in 25 years, and It was awesome! I cant thank you enough for the inspiration and support that comes from the community you have created!

@ThatPedalShow 11 месяцев назад

That’s awesome!!! Best news we’ve heard all day. Well done mate 🤓👍

@carsgunsandguitars 11 месяцев назад

That's great, how was it?

@jonaserfors6901 11 месяцев назад

It was so much fun!! Folk/doom metal at a tattoo convention. More gigs already being planed! Thanks for asking.

@terryeaster1 8 месяцев назад

That's awesome man, I rededicated to music about 2 years ago. I've played about 5solo gigs. Started singing live lead vocal for the first time. I LOVE IT.

@rossedwards73 11 месяцев назад

I think the main problem people have with the HRDx drive channel is that they set the amp for clean, then swap to the drive/more drive. In that scenario, the shared EQ stack is always going to be a compromise. Better to dial in one channel and hit it with pedals.

@mikedoe525 11 месяцев назад

I don´t have a hrdx but I have the blues deluxe and I always used it as a one channel clean amp, sounds marvelous with any pedal in front of it (personally always used a barber direct drive as main dirt and a ts9 as booster).....the amp have the same problem than the hot rod tho, but main thing is this amps are made for live rigs and rehearsals, I wouldn´t buy this to keep it at home....

@ParaBellum2024 11 месяцев назад

@@mikedoe525 I have a BDR, and usually gig it using just the overdrive channel, set to mild drive at max guitar volume, using the guitar's volume control to clean up. I also have a Boss BD-2 that does the same thing just as well into the clean channel, and a solid state Peavey Bandit that works well with the BD-2. I haven't properly compared the two setups, but I do feel that the all-solid-state setup is up there with the valve amp.

@BoojayDeeth 11 месяцев назад

I've seen a numerous vids talking about The hot rod (I don't remember anyone liking the more drive setting) but hardly no one talks about the Blues Deluxe. This is a shame, especially as it has been back in production for some time. I understand they sound different (the blues being smoother and less brittle?) with the same volume hassles, but I've not seen the Blues D being shaken down in a similar way to the hot rod in this vid or any good detailed comparisons between the two for that matter. The Hot Rod was marketed as an improvement on the Blues but is it really the better amp?

@ParaBellum2024 11 месяцев назад

@@BoojayDeeth The Hot Rod appears to have one more feature than the BDR (i.e., 'more drive'), but in practice, at gig volumes no-one needs as much gain as they expected to when playing in the bedroom! If I max the gain on my BDR, there's too much overdrive, so I don't feel the need to get a Hot Rod.

@kasakka 11 месяцев назад

That's a problem with most amps with standard tone stacks really. Usually you find a compromise that sorta works for both channels but doesn't sound as good as it could for either. The best shared EQ I've experienced is on the BluGuitar Amp 1 Mercury Edition where it's actually a low/high shelf filters and a 600 Hz midrange filter instead of a regular tone stack.

@stefanogiacovelli3477 11 месяцев назад

Loved the 12AY7 in V1 😀 In fact, I have been using that trick since a few years. It was also worth seeing your jaw drop at the moment you realized it really worked 😁😁😁 I think that swapping a single preamp tube is the most cost-effective and easy trick.

@happihockey8601 11 месяцев назад

Once those EL84's went in, Dan was at home and really getting super tasty tones at a controlled volume level, like the man said "awesome, really awesome" Totally changed up the amp. Really surprised by that.

@klapaucjusz1 11 месяцев назад

I have a HRD III. I put in a Celestion A-Type speaker in, always use input 2 and clean channel. I use a strat, and for cleans I always use TC Spark with mid boost on and an Xotic comp set for very slight compression. I am very happy with the sounds I get this way. Honestly, I prefer my HRD to my DRRI. In the HRD I also experimented with different preamp tubes, and an EQ pedal in the loop, but it got me nowhere.

@Progpolitic93 11 месяцев назад

I’ve been gigging a HRD with a lion tamer and it’s awesome. Saves me from bringing out the vintage amps, 4 pedal board with a COT50, Mjolnir, Blue Hippo, and DM-2W. Everything you want nothing you don’t. Great job guys as always 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 0:01 0:01

@RevRance42 11 месяцев назад

Thank you for doing this series of videos. I have a Blues Deville that I have been wanting to address and you guys have given me a few different options. These videos have been a great help!

@ckturvey 11 месяцев назад

Wow The difference between the drive channel on your Series III HRD is very different than my Series IV. On mine, The channel doesn't start overdriving until 4.5 whereas yours started at 3 or even less. So for my 'squishier ' clean sound I set the drive on 4 , Treble on 10, Mids 2, Bass 5 and Master on 3.5. This is very close in volume of the clean channel on 3 except for the spikey transients when you play hard. I also really liked how Dan sounded on the SG. Especially the middle position. I think the overall lesson here is for any piece of gear, it will sound better the more time you spend with it learning how to dial it in using your ears and less on what you read in the internet. :)

@tonyevans9999 11 месяцев назад

Seconding Mick's athletics. All of this was absolutely fascinating. I made a very very simple attenuator using an Lpad pot and a bypass switch just so I can use my 60's Moody BA17 in my loungeroom all the time and I don't hear a tone loss until it's really down low, as in barely audible. It sparks joy in my humble existence

@conorlarkin1111 11 месяцев назад

I second this!

@henninghesse9910 11 месяцев назад

The tube switching was revealing. Thank you for going into all of this!

@joelewis7072 11 месяцев назад

That intro touched my heart on a level a man can't fully explain.. however I'm thankful to God for the public sharing of such phenomenal talent, tone and the mastery of expression.

@johnsawyer6145 11 месяцев назад

The Hot Rod Deluxe was my first amp. I bought it “sound unheard” from a catalog. I remember the wording from the catalog, describing it as having “plenty of swat” and the copy wasn’t lying. I ran into similar difficulties with the volume, etc. and sold it. I feel like I just didn’t know what I was doing. I’m quite happy with my Deluxe Reverb and Super Reverb now. A lot easier for me to handle/control and fewer workarounds needed.

@telecasterguitarslinger 11 месяцев назад

I mentioned this very problem to an amp tech with my Deville not being able to find a middle spot with volume. His fix was a resistor on the volume pot and the problem is fixed !! ❤ Still sounds glorious.

@danialollis9200 11 месяцев назад

I had a Hot Rod Deville for a period of time and used a device similar to the Lion Tamer in the loop, or at the end of my pedalboard. Worked great. Simple. Inexpensive. Effective.

@DreHolzer 9 месяцев назад

So, great show. I built myself a Lion Tamer as a normal pedal on my Blues Deluxe Reissue IV and that goes at the end of the pedal chain, so you can still use the effects loop and get the same results as the Lion Tamer you guys bought. Then I changed the speaker. I now have a Celestion G12 (70 watts) IN the Blues Deluxe and I also got myself a 1x12 Laney cabinet in which I placed a Jensen C12 (50 watts). Now you can use the amp for recording at home and it sounds great both with the Celestion and the Jensen. Still experimenting but it's fun.

@StephenWheel 11 месяцев назад

Thanks both, that was fantastic. I super appreciate the amount of effort you went through for this episode. Excellent stuff. I have a Blues Deluxe I love (with Eminence speaker and new reverb tank) but I’ll definitely try the AY7 in it. Cheers!

@Adventuresingearland 11 месяцев назад

Wonderful video, team - thank you. Really showing in tremendous detail how astonishing this ‘old valve technology’ is…..STILL! These things are where the magic is to this day. Emulations/captures/sims etc do a thing. Vales do THE thing. More (valve) power to you, gents as ever.

@gregantonowicz2818 11 месяцев назад

Hi Dan, I've been a tele guy forever too. And I also have a nice les Paul..... but the SG is the Gibson I play the most. It's the Tele of Gibsons, if that makes any sense. Another work horse.

@jackgreenwood1817 11 месяцев назад

I was surprised how much the sound of the amp changed after it was thoroughly warmed up. That coupled with more volume was enough to make the amp sound much more pleasant than the spiky, just turned on, quieter amp at the start of the video. Really interesting video, I've never had a HRD but I did enjoy the journey with you. Thanks for another great video.

@gcvrsa 11 месяцев назад

This has been my favorite show in a short while, because it's all the subjects that are near and dear to me. If anyone remembers, they probably get tired of hearing me say it, but I play a Mesa/Boogie F-50 with 12AU7s in V1 & V2 to tame the preamp gain, and KT66s in V5 & V6 for even more headroom than the stock 6L6GCs, but I sometimes use THD Yellowjackets with EL84s for a different tone. Even with the 12AU7s and EL84s, the F-50 is loud enough to play a gig with a loud rock band. I don't use these tricks to tame the volume, I use them to change the overdrive characteristics to suit my preferences. 12AX7s just have way too much gain for my tastes, but sub in a 12AU7 or 12AY7 and crank the volume up, and you will have all the gain you can use. People should remember that the Fender tweed amps all originally came with 12AY7s in the preamps. The 12AT7 and 12AU7 are really meant more for high current applications (like phase inverters and reverb/fx loop drivers), so the 12AY7 and 12AX7 are more similar to each other, although in most cases, an AT or AU can be substituted without any other circuit changes. There is also the 12DW7, which has one half of an AX and one half of an AU.

@GCKelloch 11 месяцев назад

You know if the PSU can supply enough current for KT66's, and which brand do you use? You may not be getting the headroom and clarity KT66 offer if it's only 1A, or less. You could try a pair of Tung-Sol 7581a in that case. They are a reissue Milspec 6L6GC that sound like KT66-- tighter bass, high headroom and rounder clipping knee.

@lars-fenin Месяц назад

use the AU7 in v1 in my hot rod deluxe.. for me much better than the stock AX7. (besides some other mods regarding the volume range, and the reverb pot plus changing the capacitors)

@NateThunder 11 месяцев назад

I have a Pro Junior and a Deville. I love this series of Fender. I use the Dr Watson in the Deville; it typically does the trick. I think the overdrive channel is great; it soaks up an overdrive or distortion pedal really well.

@auttathaway 11 месяцев назад

Bravo! I did a similar thing on my AC15 with the tubes, going for Tubes that are less efficient, even though I forgot which it were. Made a massive difference at lower bedroom volume

@jeremyversusjazz 11 месяцев назад

Maybe turning the presence down might make it less strident overall. 🤷‍♂️ i noticed it was pretty cranked the whole time…or maybe i missed something. Love that u guys would devote so much time and 3nergy into helping players get the most of such an affordable and ubiquitous amp.

@WayneChurchill-zd3pm Месяц назад

I used the drive channel

@mmskier 11 месяцев назад

Appreciate your videos, guys! Through a combination of videos from Psionic Audio, I recently had the following done to my HRD iii: V1 (12AY7) V2 (12AX7) PI (12AT7) Filter caps replaced with F&T's Diodes, resistors, etc. replaced + raised well off the board to avoid burning Molded speaker cable replaced with something better than what came stock Power tubes replaced Biasing Glad to see we essentially came to the same conclusions + hoping this info helps others! *I use the JHS Little Black Box in the FX loop as well - allows me to include other effects in the loop along with it

@smartlevel1450 10 месяцев назад

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@jbognap 11 месяцев назад

It's great that you guys are dedicating so much time to the HDR, after all, it's one of the most popular amps in the world, and not everyone has the means to just chuck it and buy a new amp. It's nice to see the real world results of what mods are possible. For home use, my humble suggestion is to put a simple mfx unit with an inbuilt volume pedal, into the effects loop. Not only can you manage the volume, but you can apply EQ to remove any harsh frequencies and even add compression/limiting to adjust the response and feel of the amp.

@michaelanastasi9969 7 месяцев назад

Thank you! Just finding this update after the first HRD video is awesome, I have an SG too as well as this amp and will definitely try this.

@trentwaterman7049 11 месяцев назад

Good one boys. Some amazing sounding, easy and practical mods rights there. Thanks!

@forestgreenman 11 месяцев назад

I have watched the beginning of this video a couple of times because this is some of the BEST Strat tone I have heard. It so often seems like people try to dial in great tone but do their best to avoid letting it sound like a Strat through a fender amp. It really baffles me but I guess too often they use a Strat when they might try a different guitar, if they have one at hand. Anyway, thanks for yet another great video!

@jackrussellbruce7565 11 месяцев назад

Guys, just wanted to say I love your videos so much. I even came up with an idea for a video a few years back which you used! I just wish your talking mics were maybe +3dB greater so they matched the guitars better. I'm forever riding the volume wheel between your playing and your talking! Keep up the good work leg-ends!

@cirjames2540 11 месяцев назад

I use an 12AY7 in my Fender Pro Jr and it works perfectly for less gain and home play. Great show as always!

@eoinc4091 11 месяцев назад

I had a Blues Jr. for years and couldn’t use till I saw Phil McKnight showing how to do the valve swop for the 12AY7. It sounds fantastic now… I also swopped the Jensen for a Celestion NeoCreamback! Made it even better !

@DirtyDavesDirt 11 месяцев назад

Did the same in my Blues Junior as well, the overall volume didn’t change just a better sweep

@kcole4001 11 месяцев назад

Brilliant video! I'm sold on the Dr. Watson, I have a Peavey Delta Blues 210 whose clean channel (of which I prefer the tone) never breaks up at all. The volume pot injected into the loop should give me some really nice control over it. Well done guys!

@adammkoss 11 месяцев назад

Couple decades are I had a Hughes and Kettner Edition Tube (two channel, 2 x EL84s) but eventually found the was way too much gain on the lead channel. I immediately subbed an RCA 6072 (12AY7) for the input stage tube and the results were amazing - beautiful tone, controlled, usable throughout the range. I recommend this easy mod for anyone looking for similar results.

@JoeMama410 11 месяцев назад

I put a 12AT7 in v1 (now a 12AY7) and it did such an incredible job of bringing the amp back under control . Not a huge volume drop but just enough. It also made the drive channel much smoother.

@damnbigfish 11 месяцев назад

I did the same (12 AT7) ! Also put a Tone Tubby alnico speaker in it. Everybody who plays this amp kinda scratches their head and goes "Hunh...I thought I didn't like these..."

@rafaelgonzalez-rb8yq 8 месяцев назад

T7 Y7 BOTH GREAT CHOICE S LIKE IN THE FENDER BASSMAN

@adamwatson6916 11 дней назад

The 12AT7 works great in the phase inverter slot as well . Help make the drive smoother and clearer.

@HyperBlueZYZ 11 месяцев назад

FRIDAY is TPS DAY! 1) wake 5am 2) find shoes 3) feed chickens and pigs 4) find caffeine in some form, prepare, consume 5) grab a guitar and remote control for some leg end guitar geekery 6) 6am TPS FTW let the weekend begin! Thanks Gents!

@gibgezr 11 месяцев назад

Just to point out re the Lion Tamer and using delay in the effects loop: you could use adapter cables and run it more like a pedal in the loop, with the delay running into it. In other words, run BOTH the time-based effects AND the attenuator in the loop.

@studio-d943 11 месяцев назад

Celestion G12M-65, it became woody, warm, and no more harch. Bass,mid,trbl pots at noon! MXR silver ten band eq , always on, still in the loop only to buffer and tame volume if needed. Loving this HRD IV. Good job again guys!

@MrAwesomeSaucesome 11 месяцев назад

First amp i ever loved. Some years ago now, now, was in a rehearsal room so had it a little wound up. First valve amp and was truly my induction. Am still mainly a fender amp fan

@admarhermans1 11 месяцев назад

Great little Fender amp! Thank you for the great tips on using this amp. A lot of guitarists I play with, use this very amp, and I see it a lot as a back-line amp at festivals. I’ll be sending this video of yours to all the guitarist humanoïds I know. 🖖

@chriswallace9387 3 месяца назад

You guys put the work in for sure. Awesome followup to the 1st vid. Love the HRD, i have the version 4, and it’s a special run. So different look and speaker. Placed a fan in it to preserve it. I do use the attenuator at home.

@mattlogie1204 11 месяцев назад

What a GREAT ep! Hearing the tube difference was wild

@stephenwhite1852 11 месяцев назад

Recently swapped to the 12AY7 - huge difference. I also picked up an origin revival drive compact and that completely transformed the sound of the amp. Amazing pedal

@rafaelgonzalez-rb8yq 8 месяцев назад

Y7 1st position just like fender bassman

@creeker90 11 месяцев назад

I've got the same configuration of valves in an old 70s Fender clone, so 12AY7 and EL84 and it’s a pretty usable amp at home and on stage with this. Great compression at farily nice volumes.

@danabnormal5892 11 месяцев назад

I have a new hot rod deluxe v4 with the cannabis Rex speaker. I use the 12AY7 and the lion tamer. I gotta say it’s a fab amp

@periloustemple8290 11 месяцев назад

Love it, love it, love it! About the Dr. Watson: to my ears, the top changes a lot - which I'd expect. Of course, you can make up with treble and mid adjust. My own amp only has a Tone Cut (fiddles with phase inverter as I understand it). So, I abandoned the JHS black box for that amp. But it is a simple and usable solution. Anyway, great SG and great tones today. Btw, glad to hear that SD1w today - even though it can be a mess! My favorite use case for mine is in front of a Muff. My other mid-push needs are handled by the Tumnus Deluxe. FWIW. And, loved the delay in front!!!

@citternboy 11 месяцев назад

Moved on from my Hot Rod deluxe mk 1 to a Victory V40 deluxe, but I did put TAD valves in pre (12ay7)and power amp and they made a marked difference, I also recently used a Harley benton American Sound in input 1, that was great, just a massive difference with the victory v40, but I could gig happily with the hotrod and the American Sound, it's a good amp but I only used the clean channel

@randyprice6445 6 месяцев назад

That was a great demo session. Right now, I'm playing my 2019 re-issue Fender 57 Custom Deluxe Tweed. Maybe I'll pull out my forgotten Hot Rod Deluxe and give her another try. Your demo sparked my interest. Carry own my friends. Randy Price fron West Texas.

@grooveitman929 9 месяцев назад

I´ve made most of theses modifications in my blues deluxe some years ago to good result. The best here was that SG, it sounds gorgeous!

@pedalscapes 11 месяцев назад

Fab! Great show, very informative - The AY7 in V1 with the 6L6s, sounded like the zone to me very sweet... I've used the GB-HRD which comes with the AT7 in V1 as standard and has always worked well - interest is piqued now to try the AY7 in it's place - cheers 😎

@jasonmorgan4894 11 месяцев назад

Thank you for this video. I have this amp collecting dust because of the volume level. I will now be able to use it. Cheers

@KristofferVad 11 месяцев назад

Dan’s playing on that SG was sweet AF. Lovely tones, lovelier schwang! 12AY7 mod my favourite.

@johnsmith-sm6mh 8 месяцев назад

Brilliant, thanks fellas , just swapped my Boogie 5.25 for a Blues Deluxe “ for the shimmer, bloom, and headroom “ also invested in the Dr Watson too, but the info on swapping tubes/valves was invaluable. Cheers John

@dfuzzybuzzy 11 месяцев назад

MOST excellent stuff. I love watching the tinkering. Saves me from messing up my own gear! =) Cheers dudes!

@Bulletman426 4 месяца назад

I agree that is sounds boxy stock. I replaced the speaker with a G12T-75 and you’ll love it. The amp woke up and there’s no more shrillness or that boxy sound. Best upgrade I did along with the 12AT7 tube mod. Awesome now

@joshuaraysummey7679 11 месяцев назад

This was a great couple videos. I killed two HRDs in as many decades and loved every second. This, more than anything helped me understand why people hate them lol! I've always loved it and never understand when people bash it :) I used (what you dub) the 'pushed clean' technique the whole time! I don't think ive ever used the clean channel on that amp! I honestly dont know what i sound like through it :)

@tobymearing8407 10 месяцев назад

i love your 'experiments shows' this is a doozy and i never thought valves would go on my shopping list but that GT5751 just sings! thank you

@psychonaut689 3 месяца назад

Love this show - you guys are the real sonic scientists/experimentalists answering the questions we want to know. Your guitar playing is also very good btw.

@garydiamondguitarist 3 месяца назад

I'm glad to see you guys discussed changing the valves, because I watched Part 1 and figured I'd try that, then watch Part 2 not realising it covered what I'd just done. I'd go a step further - change all the preamp tubes, honestly. I substituted the ECC83s (12AX7s) for ECC82s (12AU7s). The former have a gain rating of 100, the later a gain rating of 20, so you're dropping the preamp volume significantly. This allows you to wind either channel up a lot further and the amp still not be super loud, but hopefully for most cases like rehearsal and gig, still more than loud enough. The nice thing is that V1 and V2 are used as the source of gain for the drive/more drive channel so you also get less distortion - personally I didn't like the drive channel at all but now, with less gain, it's like the drive channel sounds like the clean but with a boost pedal kicking the front end, it's beautiful. V3 is the phase inverter and does drop the volume a little further too. Basically it turns the Clean into a Quiet Clean and the Drive/More Drive into a Master Volume Clean, with More Drive being an "edge of breakup" option depending on the pickups of the guitar you're using. The tone of the amp is excellent this way, honestly smoother and seems to have more headroom, yet conversely because you're cranking it more the power amp tubes are removing any harsh transients. This is all before trying pedals anywhere, I'm talking straight to amp, input 1.

@TrojanHamster 8 месяцев назад

I’ve got a Deville III and the 12ay7 in v1 is a change I need to make. Maybe a Doctor Watson for home use as well… Really appreciate you guys doing this in so much depth. Definitely inspires more confidence than trawling the depths of internet forums! 😂

@aarongrimwood6594 11 месяцев назад

I gig with a hot rod deluxe on the drive channel for a modern country group (The Shucks). It really works live. I use a couple of Gretsch electromatics and the low output pickups work really well. You do need to use the volume controls as you discovered though!

@jordanchilll 10 месяцев назад

Love you guys’ content, as always. I feel like I have grown so much as a guitarist watching this channel over the years. I would love to see you guys throw in the Kasleder Toxic Twins dual OD in a Pic n Mix or however you may see fit, but it is a fantastic OD pedal & I would like to hear it played through your fingers!! Thanks for reading 📖 ♥️ Greetings from the USA! 🇺🇸

@fletches4084 11 месяцев назад

I did the 12AY7 thing in a bassbreaker 18/30 I had (briefly). Made it almost usable but not quite. It got traded for an Epiphone Blues Custom 30 (sadly now discontinued) which is a much better prospect all around (apart from the fact that it weighs as much as a small planet for nominally the same physical size as the BB18/30). Ultimately there are perhaps "better" amps to be had for the money than a HRD if you are prepared to look around. The level control issue affects so many Fender amps and it is refreshing to find something that can do what the Fenders do but without the drawbacks.

@ofsoundmind13 11 месяцев назад

12at7 in V1, JHS little black amp box in fx loop and a celestion vintage 30 in mine. Absolutely love it! May try changing power tubes after watching this though. 🤔

@Cheguebuddha 11 месяцев назад

Thanks lads! Just put a 12AY7 into the V1 of my VOX AC15 and by far sound less bright/harsh than the 12AX7 and even the dirve sound is softer now with the 12AY7. Very happy!

@shadowulf 9 месяцев назад

Where was all this 20 years ago when I couldnt stand my HRD! Actually, I knew about the volume pot in the fx loop, and the AY7 tubes. It was that the 40 watts was too loud for I wanted. Good job guys

@cobravinci 11 месяцев назад

Great video ! Can't wait to use the Dr Watson trick in mine... and to hear more about the Hook amp, which sounded really good (even if it wasnnt the purpose of this show)! 😊

@GitShiddy 11 месяцев назад

Second video this week involving swapping power amp tubes (Kris Barocsi did a blind comparison with 5 different power tubes) and it is truly fascinating just how much things change. I am definitely someone who is quite sick of hearing the Hot Rod Deluxe on TPS, so many episodes and it sounds not brilliant, (unless you change the tubes) however the learned experience has such value. I'm quite content with the sound of my amps & have never (in 20+ years of playing) had to touch, replace, rebias, do anything with my tubes. But with this I wouldn't be afraid to muck about with them (except in my amps from the 50s, those stay as is).

@El-Scorcho 11 месяцев назад

29:20 my favorite moment of the episode 😂😂 y’all are so on point here!

@blodbrodet 11 месяцев назад

Hot rod deluxe is a great amp.I have played one for years.I slipped in a V30 speaker,and it got a lot better.I always use input 2 on the clean channel.Les Paul into a wampler plexi drive,and ts9 as boost,Flashback delay.Happy days!I have played better amps,but if you can`t afford a high end amp,this can get close,with some tweaks.Great episode :)

@rossedwards73 11 месяцев назад

It’s also worth trying a 5751, 12DW7 and 12AT7 in V1, V2 and V3 respectively. I also have a pair of JJ 6V6S (the “S” suffix is important!) in the output stage, biased to 36mV for early breakup.

@ChrisJohnson-lp3hc 11 месяцев назад

Dang, the dark blue and teal on Dan’s flannel compliments the red of the SG amazingly!

@terryeaster1 8 месяцев назад

Such an outstanding video!!!! GREAT work guys

@druwk 11 месяцев назад

Always a reminder to learn to use the equipment you have rather buying stuff and moving it along. This especially true when you’re talking about gear that has an incredible amount of range. The more variables, the more interactions, the more possibilities! I don’t own a HRD, kind of glad. Same principles to stripping down your sound from your pedal board?

@kastle4774 11 месяцев назад

just as i’m considering getting a hot rod deluxe, you guys are putting out all these videos on them!! love your content so much.

@MrNeilltupman 11 месяцев назад

Do it, you won't regret it! Great pedal platform too, which is why we're all here right? 😉😃

@jerrychadwick3581 11 месяцев назад

+1. @mrNeilltupman is absolutely right. Love mine. I use the JHS LBAB and love it.

@roygreene406 8 месяцев назад

What is better for pedals, the front of the amp or the loop.?

@lars-eriklarsson85 11 месяцев назад

I love the fact that in the end you converted the hot rod deluxe to a bluesjunior! Nice show overall as always, cheers!

@jacob_miller 11 месяцев назад

I love this for the differences between the valves, both in the pre and power amp stages. Really well done!. When it comes to playing at “home volume”, at some point you should just invest in a Two Notes captor X or similar for valve amps at low volume, then you reach a point where you just aren’t moving the voice coil enough!, then find a good IR and a pair of Rockit 5 speakers or similar, and have option of headphones. The AY7 transformed the character of this amp and should be done regardless. It’s not lost on me how lucky I am to have no noise restrictions at my home other than making sure the dog isn’t laying in front of one of the 4x12’s 🤣 (tone dog loves the tone) Thanks gents for another amazing episode 🙏😊

@LWMyrth 11 месяцев назад

Don't have this amp but appreciate the concepts anyway. Thanks fellas! Nice playing as always

@boogie11188 9 месяцев назад

Great video guys. i also have experimented with my fender Blues deluxe, and have now settled with an AT7 in V1 position, and to my ears the amp is sounding awesome. Apart from the valve change it is totally stock. I've owned many amps over the years (boogie, Vox and numerous fender amps). I tend to use a strat 90% of the time, and find it hard to beat the sound of a fender guitar into a fender amp a marriage made in heaven. Although the Blues Deluxe is not same as HRD its very similar in many ways, however, I prefer the clean tone of the blues deluxe. I use it mainly as a pedal platform, with drive and boost pedals in the front end, and a Plethora X5 in the loop for delays and modulation sounds. I use this setup for gigs, I personally wouldn't dream of getting a HRD or Blues deluxe for home use, they are far too loud, and these days there is a huge choice of low output tube amps totally suitable for bedroom use

@analogoutdoors 11 месяцев назад

That amp sounds killer! Great video! @thatpedalshow I'd love to see one on the best all around amp for blues, rock and country, with the caveat that you can actually use them in bar and club gigs where volume and stage space is a concern.

@rupertlaycockphotography 11 месяцев назад

Not sure about the Hot Rod Deluxe, but I have a Blues Deluxe Reissue and I made a passive volume control for the effects loops (Dr Watson style, but in a pedal enclosure so I could still put modulation and delay in the loop BEFORE the volume control). What I found is that the reverb in the BDRI is driven after the effects loop, meaning if the passive volume control is turned down, the reverb isn't driven at all. I also have a Peavey Classic 30, and in the same situation I believe the reverb is driven before the loop, making the Dr Watson/Passive volume control more useful on that amp. For the BDRI I decided to build a passive attenuator for between power amp and speaker and I am so much happier with it. I've also gone down the total mix of pre-amp tubes. JJ 12at7, 5751 and Mullard 12ax7 (v1-3). I'm now SUPER keen to checkout the yellowjacket approach.

@MarcCoteMusic 11 месяцев назад

I'm only 9 minutes into the video but I'll mention this now before I forget... I just gigged for the first time with a HR Deluxe 4 provided as backline... The Celestion A-Type in the HRD 4 is VASTLY different sounding to the G12P-80 in the HRD 3. The spiky sound of the 3, which I wasn't a fan of, has been tamed with the A-Type. I didn't try the dirty channel so can't compare that, but now I've got GAS for the HRD 4.

@HalfFastForward 11 месяцев назад

I will definitely try a different preamp tube in my Jet City combo. Thanks for all the great content.

@chedhead3278 11 месяцев назад

Cheers chaps, dead interesting that. For me definitely a few more sweet spots with these options.

@Chrismayo1981 11 месяцев назад

I always liked the second input into a pushed clean sound overdrive channel. Then I used “more drive” as a boost.

@RDC_2424 11 месяцев назад

I’m pleased you did this. Prior to this I always feel Dan really does hate this amp and to some extent it’s disappointing because I value so much what you say it puts me off. In previous videos your face says it all when play it 😊. This video was welcome. It was as if you realised loads of people have this amp and love it and recognising people want your input on it was great. The previous video I agree with your intro. You did it the hard way and this time you listened to people and did a show on it. Very smart move. The net result for me is I probably still will change it but I have a feeling I’ll miss it playing live. I’ve never once had an issue cutting through with this. My set up basically use clean channel with BD2 into tube screamer (only for single coil) then modulation on the FX loop. Recently bought a tweed blues junior for home use and have to say still think it’s got such a great tone. Anyway. Great show guys thanks for this. 🙏

@matthewcollis-long5233 11 месяцев назад

Fantastic Show. More like this please. And please could we have part three, focussing on speakers? As ever I/We love what you do. MOTS please, Groins!!!!

@davidsisbarro1501 11 месяцев назад

Great to see Dan playing the middle position on the SG. I love that sound.

@McBoggler 11 месяцев назад

I’ve got a HRD MK4 and I think it’s awesome. I swapped the speaker out to Eminence Tonker for more bottom end and roll off some top end. It’s an excellent pedal platform. I’ve owned a few £2000+ tube amps and paid £400 2nd hand for the HRD and you can’t fault it for band for you buck. Best gigging amp there is. Also love the overdrive sounds of the MK4!

@andyjreid 10 месяцев назад

I use a Lion Tamer with my HRDIV but really tempted to go with the 12AY7 tube in V1 now. That sounded so good.

@timzyk 8 месяцев назад

I have an HRD and have been struggling with this (when not using a Captor X.) Great video - thanks for making it! Subscribed.

@mrblablablabla 11 месяцев назад

Super interesting! I never knew the tonality was different between input one and two. Also, I’m definitely going to try putting a low impedance volume pedal in the fx loop of my HRD and turning up the clean channel volume to 4 or 5. I usually have it set a bit below 3 for band practice and we play super loud already. Thanks for all the insights!

@jerrychadwick3581 11 месяцев назад

I started using the "Little Black Amp Box" from JHS in my effects loop as soon as it came out. I've loved it. It's just like any other pedal, so you can use it with other pedals in your effects loop. I currently have reverb, chorus and EQ pedals in my loop with the JHS LBAB and it works great. No, I'm not a JHS employee. :)

@crystalneth994 11 месяцев назад

Dr Watson is a heck of an improvement! Just ordered one

@southernsantapiper7556 2 месяца назад

I use the 12AY7 and Dr Watson Lion Tamer. Perfect and cost effective method of taming this amp. Thanks for a great video! It's what influenced my purchase!

@jarthursands 7 месяцев назад

I have a 03 FSR Wheat/Tan first year of Ensenada production. valve swapped to new production Mullards in V1&2 a JJ in the PI and JJ 5881's. swaped out the stock 50w jensen for a 150w Eminence Patriot texas heat and use a Lion Tamer. my chain is CS R8 LP>Xotics AC booster>Xotics RC 20th Ann, at 18V>input 1 Bright switch in. Totally managable beast now.

@Promethasaurus-Rex 11 месяцев назад

The California tweed would have been a good comparison to throw in- it uses 6v6s and has a much softer sound, but is in deluxe territory all day. Thank you, great video and a lot of fun to watch.

@jrchanning 11 месяцев назад

Maybe Fender just need to make a "Warm Rod Deluxe" !!, seriously such a fun and fascinating episode, brilliant stuff 😄

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@stratomycaster881 5 месяцев назад

Thanks to this episode with Dan and Mick, I dusted off my HRDiv and swapped in an EH 12ay7. Never liked the drive/more drive channel (the reason she was gathering all that dust) but what a difference with the 12ay7!! It’s an entirely different amp. Have only tried it Strat singles so far this afternoon. Very musical and loves additional drive with pedals in front. Thank you as always for the inspiration!! 1:00:34