eBART: The Strangest BART Extension

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At the outer edge of the BART network, there is a strange isolated section known as eBART. While the majority of the BART system uses electric, broad-gauge trains, this extension uses diesel, standard-gauge tracks. It is known as eBART.
The trains on eBART are the Stadler GTW, popular on many regional railway lines throughout Europe. Their diesel engines are located in a small power pack in the center of the car.
Transfer from BART to eBART happens on a transfer platform, located 0.6 miles east of Pittsburg / Bay Point Station. That platform has no entrances or exits. So many strange things surrounding eBART!
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0:00 Introduction
1:01 Powell Street Station
1:53 Riding BART to Pittsburg / Bay Point
3:59 eBART Explained
5:33 The Transfer Platform with no Exits
6:30 Stadler GTW
8:54 Pittsburg Center Station
9:44 Why did they do this?

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@chasemartin4450 6 месяцев назад

The fact that Bay Area transit operators *deliberately introduced a gauge break into their regional rail system* completely blows my mind. Gauge breaks have been the source of so much hassle throughout the world, wouldn't we have learned by now that they should be avoided wherever possible?

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

True. Great stuff to make a video about though. Lol.

@dantamsky9712 6 месяцев назад

You're not transferring freight here, or even much baggage. I don't see it as such are terrible compromise to save lots of money.@@Thom-TRA

@wmtrader 6 месяцев назад

The BART board of directors wanted a cheaper alternative to the 5' 6" gauge electrified BART trains and the 4' 8.5" gauge diesel trains made by Standler fit the bill.

@IndustrialParrot2816 6 месяцев назад

It's not the worst thing the Subways and Streetcars in Toronto and Philadelphia both use broad gauge

@chasemartin4450 6 месяцев назад

@@IndustrialParrot2816 Broad gauge on its own isn't much of a problem (although it still poses limitations with the availability of rolling stock) but gauge breaks are. Having part of your system run on standard gauge and another part run on broad gauge drastically complicates maintenance, rolling stock selection, schedule and route changes, etc.

@Jorge-kd7ww 6 месяцев назад

as someone who lives in the east bay but has never rode the e-bart this makes me want to ride it. and i was under the impression ebart stood for "extended bart". either way ive heard people say its ironic how normal bart is electric and ebart is not lol

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

I used to think it stood for extension too. It wasn’t until I was researching for this video I found out otherwise!

@willsnyder1321 6 месяцев назад

I used to be an eBART hater but I actually think the solution makes sense now. People in eastern Contra Costa County needed a transit connection but not necessarily a 10-car heavy rail rapid transit link. There is a limit to how far rapid rail systems can go outside of the core. In Philadelphia we have the Norristown High Speed Line, which acts as an extension of the Market Frankford Line into the burbs. 1-2 car operation makes sense for a line that serves 10k riders per day, while 6 car frequent operation on the MFL makes sense for a line that served 200k riders/day pre-COVID. However, the two lines have different gauge and third rail electrification systems.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Appreciate the perspective! Norristown HSL has climbed to the top of my American transit bucket list since I crossed the Morgantown PRT off yesterday.

@AllTheUrbanLegends 6 месяцев назад

It's funny there because the NHSL is standard gauge and the El is Pennsylvania trolley gauge. The difference is that they were built by competing railroads. Using a different gauge was a way to discourage takeovers or gov't mandated sharing. In BARTs case it's because they thought up the most expensive Regional Rail system you could possibly imagine. Then they built it.

@Devilishlybenevolent 6 месяцев назад

My family lives in Antioch/Brentwood and we don't even use it, we just drive out to the pittsburg station. Its dumb to go to the Antioch station, pay more, wait, transfer. No convenience at all.

@rjc_2001 5 месяцев назад

@@Devilishlybenevolentsame. It's a joke. If ever we have gotten on the systems yellow line, we drive to Bay Point and board actual Bart. I tried using it to commute and regardless of destination it took longer and cost more, so nope.

@drdewott9154 4 месяца назад

I kinda get where you're coming from but he Norristown line is also much longer than e-bart and serves many more stations, rather than just 2. Like for a 2 stop extension, e-bart makes seemingly no sense other than optuse corner cutting! Especially since it doesnt connect to the Pittsburgh Bay point station properly which is gonna be awful for people walking or getting on buses to or from that station and continuing on e-bart. With extensions then maybe e-Bart makes sense. Possibly also with a proper connection to Pittsburgh bay point rather than this weird transfer platform.

@lucasstuart-chilcote7069 6 месяцев назад

I have been a critic of this since the planning meetings. The residents of Antioch have been paying BART property taxes for decades and we get a standard width track while they sell it as a 1 seat experience. Imagine commuting to/from work and you have to get up to transfer to another vehicle after being comfortable and resting. Imagine it being hot, cold, or raining. I often see from a car a lot of people waiting for the eBART train to arrive. I’ve waited on the platform for 5 minutes before and there’s limited to no seating on the transfer platform. All the while city of San Jose is getting a BART extension built with the wide tracks. It is very embarrassing and frustrating.

@ZiggyTheHamster 6 месяцев назад

> The residents of Antioch have been paying BART property taxes for decades Everybody in Contra Costa County pays BART property taxes (and these are higher for those of us who live in more urban areas because the property values are higher). Everybody also pays the property taxes that pay for roads in cities we don't live in or use (and Antioch has more road surface than Richmond does, but you won't see me complaining about paying for Antioch roads). This is fundamentally how taxes work. I think your complaint might be that Contra Costa County - and counties in California in general - is too large, but I don't think you necessarily realize that. And I think it's entirely a fair assessment that west county and east county both end up in a worse position because the county is too large. Disco Bay and Brentwood would benefit from a connection to the San Joaquins Amtrak line via Stockton (resulting in a convenient commute to Sac and beyond), but adding the tax for this to the entire county would be wildly unpopular. Similarly, wBART will probably never happen because even if west county is OK subsidizing Solano County residents who will obviously use wBART now, east county wouldn't be. > All the while city of San Jose is getting a BART extension built with the wide tracks. It is very embarrassing and frustrating. Santa Clara County was not part of the original BART district, so had to finance the entire thing themselves. Because they have good sense, they financed building the full system. Contra Costa County could have done this as well, but too many people without a BART station in the county complained about their existing taxes not being enough to pay for the full system, and rather than temporarily raise the funds to build full BART, they had to make do with the existing taxes (despite the fact that pre-RR, these taxes were only ever meant to upkeep the un-extended original system, and clearly expansion is necessary and upkeep costs increase with the size and age of the system). I think a DMU/EMU system like they have for eBART could have been a good way to add service to areas which are underserved if they dual-gauged the track and ran another line... but this would require actual strategy and probably an additional tax, which clearly would fail because too many people feel like because they live in a far away suburb and pay the $30.86/yr in property taxes, that they should have a BART stop already without paying one cent more (your property tax cost may vary; $30.86/yr is what I pay... RR is an additional $55.30). If we had raised the tens of millions of dollars to actually make eBART a separate line which was dual gauged with BART track, we could have that line be something like Antioch to Hercules, and stop at Pittsburg/Bay Point, North Concord, Martinez/Amtrak xfer, maybe Crockett, maybe Rodeo, and terminate at Hercules (or perhaps go further to Pinole but Pinole doesn't quite have the free land anywhere but Point Pinole for a station). Basically it would share the right of way with the Capitol Corridor, but probably there would need to be an extra track which was separate from freight/Amtrak. And you could for a start just terminate at Martinez. You might not even mess with the N. Concord station either. There are already abandoned or underused rights of way which could get used, and the median is still an option if you have some route through the hills between 4 and downtown Martinez.

@curtisalvin 6 месяцев назад

@@ZiggyTheHamstergreat breakdown, thank you

@Cherries01 6 месяцев назад

Sorry, but as someone who lives and take Bart from Bay Point/Pittsburg, I enjoy the eBart extension because the trains are empty and I can get a seat lol, but if the regular cars goes all the way out to Antioch, there would barely be any seats for those who hop on at the Bay Point station. This just my selfish reasoning haha

@Crunkboy415 5 месяцев назад

That's nothing. When I didn't have a car I used to commute from SF to Emeryville via Muni>BART>AC Transit then AC Transit>BART>Muni. Pretty much an hour and 15 minutes commute everyday. That's when the three arrived on time.

@kr46428 6 месяцев назад

The fact that the `e` in eBART does not mean electric is just violating all sorts of norms 🙃I bet you'd be surprised if you bought an e-bike and it were diesel powered, eh? I am curious why they did the transfer at an isolated station instead of just extending the Pittsburgh/Bay Point station.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

It would reduce capacity at Bay Point

@jacobbyers7914 6 месяцев назад

I remember seeing a video where someone was like: "I asked BART about why the transfer platform exists and they told me they couldn't find a reason" but I guess like Thom said it'd probably reduce capacity at Bay Point.

@DellAnderson 6 месяцев назад

Exactly! eBART appears to be a deliberate feint to avoid bringing attention to the fact that the engines are of the CARB forbidden, diesel engine which is basically being regulated out of existence for trucks, buses, and other uses in California. Diesel is good for us, but not for you says the government.

@DellAnderson 6 месяцев назад

@@stanislavkostarnov2157 Good points, however as you said, no excuse not to electrify - I wasn't comparing trucks with trains, I was comparing electric with diesel, and CARB has basically outlawed (or onerously regulated) ALL consumer diesel engines, including on caravans/RVs, for vehicles over 14,000 lbs, adding annual fees, inspections etc, which (last I checked) don't apply to Municiple vehicles like fire trucks. Just seems hypocritical and a tacit admission that diesel sometimes is the most practical solution even if it causes the end of the world as we know it. Your point about efficiency per passenger mile makes sense if the train is fully loaded, but rarely have I seen BART loaded near the end of the line. Haven't ridden the eBART but as a rule, number of passengers per car drops steadily and is lowest towards the end of the line, so if they were going to use diesel it would have made more sense closer to San Francisco and electrify the ends of the lines. Especially since they are closer to some regional wind farms. The good news is that at least in this case our government officials attempted some fiscal responsibility with our tax dollars and saved 50% vs electrifying.

@DellAnderson 6 месяцев назад

@@stanislavkostarnov2157 Not sure what you are commenting on I never advocated taxing fire-trucks. I was just pointing out that California hypocritically exempted Fire-trucks and Garbage trucks from the engine replacement regulations that private trucks that carry our groceries are required to abide by. It is a tacit admission that it's not practical or cost effective to be a climate change idealist and that perhaps diesel is not going to cause the end of the world - else why would they allow Garbage & Fire Trucks to end the world climate wise? Rules for Thee but not for Me attitude has to go with politicians who think they are above the law. I would MUCH rather that the natural economies of efficient engines compete with the older ones fairly instead of selectively punishing productive or tax paying citizens.

@five-toedslothbear4051 6 месяцев назад

It’s really wild that you can walk through the power pack. I would guess that the prime mover would take up all the space.

@ARod4374 6 месяцев назад

Yup; my understanding (from how it's done on the FLIRTs, which I believe are descended from the GTWs) is that there are four small prime movers with individual alternators on them to power the traction motors, so each side has two engines and there's room for a corridor between them

@nashorn9745 6 месяцев назад

@@ARod4374They are very different the traction motors are under the power pack with the gtw and under the cabs with the flirts

@gdrriley420 6 месяцев назад

It’s because they use 1-4 smaller engines normally the size you’d see in trucks, farm equipment ect. 0-3 locations can have batteries to make the unit a hybrid or you can have no diesel engines and use hydrogen. Equipment to pickup overhead power can also be added in most configuration so tri mode is possible. GTW had been out of production for a while because it got too heavy. It’s been replaced by short FLIRTs called WINKs by some operators

@darynvoss7883 6 месяцев назад

Maybe they should lock that thing lol

@robertheinrich2994 6 месяцев назад

@@ARod4374 yes. this summer I rode a GTW (the GKB in austria graz-köflach-bahn). it was weird to walk through the power unit with its diesel generators. funnily enough, they were a project for stadler taylor made. and then so many other cities wanted them too, so they became a product line.

@andrewwakldnz 6 месяцев назад

Well that's logical. You get off the electric BART onto the diesel eBART...... 🙃😅

@brycebundens6866 6 месяцев назад

It’s a cool solution to the suburban transit problem!! I mean it does make sense to have a lower capacity train out that far- aren’t BART trains are truly the largest, highest capacity rapid transit trains in America? This transfer seems like the ideal implementation for Maryland’s SMRT, augmenting WMATA with a light rail extension from Branch Ave!

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

I would love for them to build a platform solution like this at Branch! Hopefully SMRT gets built asap

@andrew_ray 6 месяцев назад

The only reason they did it this way is that the existing line to Antioch was standard gauge (4′ 8½″ / 1.435 m), and BART is... well, for some reason they designed BART to run on super-wide 5½′ / 1.676 m gauge track. It's kinda stupid.

@jimstraveladventures3961 6 месяцев назад

This line was built new and Thom's explanation is correct.@@andrew_ray

@andrew_ray 6 месяцев назад

@@jimstraveladventures3961 Then it is so monstrously stupid that everybody involved should be jailed for blatant corruption because nobody would ever think this was a good idea who wasn't getting some fat stacks under the table.

@mypdf 6 месяцев назад

I think it is mostly just weird that they don't have the connection point at one of the stations next to this weird construct

@collectivelyimprovingtrans2460 6 месяцев назад

This should connect to the Amtrak line north of there and should be part of a new commuter network for the Bay Area. It should also go to Discovery Bay

@SeanMaguid 6 месяцев назад

There is a distant hope the eBart will continue to Brentwood and beyond. Some of the logic behind a diesel/electric on standard track is crossing surface streets.Over/underpasses can be ridiculously expensive. The fully electric Bart cars can not cross surface streets because of the energized third rail. eBart could be electrified using overhead wires and/or a combination system.

@ids1024 6 месяцев назад

@@SeanMaguid It would make a lot more sense if it were a longer line using overhead wires. I wonder if Bart would benefit from transiting to standard gauge and overhead wires, but that would be a rather massive project.

@mustbtrouble 6 месяцев назад

The Richmond line ends at the intermodal station with Amtrak and BART joint station

@ajs11201 5 месяцев назад

@@ids1024 I've always thought that BART should have been built to standard gauge from its inception. Another complication caused by BART's "special" gauge is that it's causing major integration problems from San Jose up the peninsula. However reasonable it would have been to use standard gauge from the beginning, it's far too late to second guess that decision now. Changing all of the cars (rolling stock) and rails over the entire system would cost billions of dollars and introduce MAJOR service disruptions during the conversion period.

@edwardmiessner6502 6 месяцев назад

2:31 "Change trains at transfer platform." The MBTA states it better without words. On its subway map it shows its Red Line Ashmont Branch separated from its Mattapan High Speed Red Line at Ashmont station as two separate but linked stations.

@ilovebart 6 месяцев назад

as a life long oakland resident and a transit lover i love these bart videos ❤

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Your username is @ilovebart so I take this as a huge compliment!

@aftbit 6 месяцев назад

Ah good memories. I worked about a 10 minute walk up Powell St for a few years, and a short MUNI trip down Embarcadero for a few more. I only took the cable car a handful of times while I lived in the bay, but I never had to pay for it. I definitely thought about jumping between the BART exit escalator and the MUNI platform when I was running late for the transfer, but I never had the guts. When I lived there, it was never called the Red or Yellow line, even though it should have been. I'm glad to see BART survived the pandemic - I saw ridership was down to 3% at one point!

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

You deserve a medal for being a good upstanding citizen! Lol

@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un 6 месяцев назад

The edit of Mr. Krabs saying "✨MONEY✨" was so perfect....well played. The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie from 2004 remains a masterpiece. A station built with no entrance OR exit is Smallbrook Junction on the Isle of Wight. It opened in 1991, and it's unique because it exists as an interchange between the Island Line (which is part of the National Rail network) and a HERITAGE railway, the Isle of Wight Steam Railway! However, the station is expected to close, as the Isle of Wight Steam Railway has gone between Wootton and Smallbrook Junction, but their long-term aim is to go to Ryde St John's Road, thus no need for the station. Another is the former Manhattan Transfer. In November 1910, they opened a line through a pair of tunnels under the Hudson River to New York Penn Station. The PRR built the Manhattan Transfer station so passenger trains bound for New York Penn paused there so that their steam locomotives could be replaced by electric locomotives that could run through the tunnel under the river. The station also allowed passengers to change trains, which riders on the main line could transfer to local trains to Exchange Place. The H&M, the precursor to the PATH, started operating to Newark in 1911, with a stop at Manhattan Transfer. It closed in 1937, so what happened? Penn chose to electrify to Philadelphia, making the need to switch locomotives obsolete, and the PRR and Newark government chose to build Newark Penn Station.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

These facts are right on the money!

@marcusdamberger 6 месяцев назад

So what happened to the Manhattan transfer station they used for these steam to electric trains transfer?

@RichardGadsden 6 месяцев назад

On a tram rather than train system, there was Manchester Metrolink's Cornbrook stop, which had no exit or entrance from being built in 1999 until the entrances and exits opened in 2005. It's located on an island (in the river) that was, at the time it was built, completely undeveloped. It was intended for transfers between two different radial lines so passengers could come in on one and change to go out on the other without having to go into the city proper. A bunch of developers decided to purchase the island, drain it, and build a substantial development there (a couple of thousand flats), and they persuaded the operator to convert the fire exit into a proper entrance/exit in 2005.

@AverytheCubanAmerican 6 месяцев назад

Besides the NJ Transit River Line, other North American systems where these Stadler GTWs are used include Denton's A-train and Austin's Capital MetroRail! As much of a BART oddity as it is, I still think it's pretty cool that they did this and building it in a highway median is an easy way to build stations. If you have the density to back it up AND have it enclosed in a way that you're protected from all that noise pollution like having platform screen doors, then it can be great design! Even better if there's a bus hub. The REM stations in Montreal do that, sharing the Champlain bridge with the highway, stations being bus hubs, and thus better connecting the suburbs. Stations without any exits or entrances is definitely an interesting concept. There's a station in Japan called Seiryu Miharashi-eki (for those who don't know: it translates to "Clear Stream Viewing Platform Station") that opened in 2019 and the platform simply exists to admire the views! Not every train on the Nishikigawa Seiryū Line stops there as it's only special trains that do. Metro-North Railroad does something similar as they have stations specifically built for hikers. These are Manitou and Breakneck Ridge on the gorgeous Hudson Line, and Appalachian Trail on the Harlem Line. With Appalachian Trail station being significant as it's the only rail station directly located on the Appalachian Trail.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

And if you take the Nishikigawa Railway all the way to the end of the line, you can take the “Toko Toko Train,” a ladybug-themed tram that goes through a tunnel with strange LED light decorations. It’s on my bucket list.

@intrepidfox37 6 месяцев назад

A better example of a station without an entrance or exit on MNR would’ve been the Devon Transfer platform at the beginning of the Waterbury Branch when there was construction on the New Haven Line a few years ago. A brilliant idea to keep the service going during the track outages.

@amarthakertanegara 6 месяцев назад

that separated transfer platform feels weirdly fancy 😄 and the stadler gtw trains look good! 👍🏼 love the idea of them put the machine separated with the passengers room

@gdrriley420 6 месяцев назад

Early plans had it getting out of the median and using UP tracks located just to the north which they still might do for a future expansion of Ebart East/South

@gdrriley420 6 месяцев назад

@@joeblow5214 double stacks and wires are very easy to do, wires just need to be up at like 23-24ft which some of the PRR stuff gets close to. 3rd rail is not something you want with grade crossings and in most cases it doesn't work with some railcar types

@combusean 6 месяцев назад

That transfer platform is an absolute nightmare when things go awry. Trains get delayed and people physically can't leave the area.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Is there no emergency exit?

@Geotpf 6 месяцев назад

@@Thom-TRAYou would get arrested for using it if there wasn't a fire or other emergency. The whole thing is, IMHO, stupid cost cutting. Considering current oil prices, I bet it even costs more to run the disesl trains that standard BART ones. Transfers should be avoided whenever possible. Likewise, I think ARROW should just be an extension of Metrolink San Bernardino Line.

@Sacto1654 6 месяцев назад

I also think this may make it possible to eventually extend the line as far east as Brentwood, CA at reasonable cost.

@theprodigal72 6 месяцев назад

This reminds me of the Ottawa O-Train Trillium line, which uses Siemens Desiro Classics (now out of service), Coradia Lint 42s and Stadtler Flirt Trains and also feels very much like a European regional line transplanted in to a large, North American city.

@Santiago-lb5md 6 месяцев назад

Also, eBART was meant as a bigger, more extensive network, but you know, money became an issue after the Antioch extension.

@keithwillis3761 6 месяцев назад

I live near the Rockridge bart station. I always wondered why the trains looked so different at the Antioch extension. I remember when the bond passed for that extension and in the news they said there was not enough money to complete it. I guess that's how they did it . By going to a non-powered rail extension. I am old enough to witness the building of bart. I went to elementary school right next to the MacArthur bart station. At that time the trains were super plush with seats like in first class on Airplanes and carpeted floors. Was a different time. So maintaining the trains was not like now. You basically have to be able to water down the entire surfaces in the trains to keep them clean. Thanks for your content does explain the questions I had.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Glad to provide some answers!

@jokerman545 6 месяцев назад

I take eBART everyday as part of my commute from Antioch to San Francisco. I would like to shed some light on gripes I have with the system. Firstly, transfers from BART to eBART are supposed to be timed, but they rarely are. I have been stranded on the exit-less transfer platform in the middle of a freeway for 30 minutes at a time in some instances. Secondly, bicycling and e-mobility are vastly underserved causing car doors to be blocked by bikes and e-scooters during peak hours.

@jfungsf882 6 месяцев назад

Wonderful video I hope you enjoyed San Francisco because it's such a beautiful iconic city😊👍💯

@dianethulin1700 6 месяцев назад

Thank you, I learned a lot so appreciation and respect. I pass this Bart platform on my way to boyfriend’s house and it always looks so isolated. Now I just may check it out! I’m a little sorry I didn’t know you were here! I live near Powell and Cable Car Turnaround and would have loved to show you around. Thank you for sharing your videos with us! 👍🙏

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

I didn’t know, sorry!

@BirbarianHomeGuard 6 месяцев назад

the eBART mode has the potential to be an east bay interurban network revival.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

I think expansion could prove very successful

@wmtrader 6 месяцев назад

There are plans to extend eBART to Brentwood.

@IamTheHolypumpkin 6 месяцев назад

They should’ve spend at least a little more money to install wider railroad ties with a third mounting point. So you can convert it to broad gauge without disrupting service for more than a couple of days. Move one running track to the new point and done. Only switches are more complicated but if you prepare it enough you could probably do all this in maybe a week.

@dianethulin1700 6 месяцев назад

It wasn’t a little more money. It was double the money. Contra Costa County isn’t very wealthy

@Yvonne-Bella 6 месяцев назад

Coming from someone who lives in Contra Costa County, there are at minimum 4 known cities out of 19 that are "rich": Oakley (debatable really), Brentwood, Walnut Creek, and San Ramon (that I can name off hand). 1 already has BART access. 2 have connected access through Tri Delta Transit. And the last wasn't even a proposal. Pretty much, only Pittsburg, Antioch, Oakley, and Brentwood were funding it at a time when people were barely just moving out to the area. And I want to be extra clear: San Ramon and Walnut Creek are the more "richer" cities, where as Oakley and Brentwood were more farmlands before becoming what they are today

@dianethulin1700 6 месяцев назад

@@Yvonne-Bella Thank you for the information. I do think of Walnut Creek and San Ramon do have money. We visit my boyfriends parents in Brentwood and I always wonder about this particular station

@rohantrainvlogs 6 месяцев назад

cool video, I went to San Francisco a few months ago and didn't even know these existed, now I kinda wish I rode one... something for next time

@keitainaba6115 6 месяцев назад

Wow Bart looks so much better than when I was using them (2018) Edit: just watched your other vid and saw why (lol) glad they changed them ( I didn't mind the running sound but the squealing brakes just was terrible)

@ck4426 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for all of your research and information about a very unique transit situation!!! Thank you for alllllll of the research and information you put into each and every video, for that matter. Awesome!!!!!!!

@dancingwiththestars3778 6 месяцев назад

I vote to extend eBART from Antioch to Oakley, Brentwood,Lone Tree Way,Discovery Bay Stockton Amtrak Connection and Downtown Stockton

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

There are some plans to maybe go to Tracy

@dancingwiththestars3778 6 месяцев назад

Also I vote to extend the BART Blue Line Metro Subway from Dublin to Livermore with the median of I-580 and Valley Line from Dublin to Lathrop/Manteca is Phase 1 and Phase 2 of ValleyLink is Stockton

@dancingwiththestars3778 6 месяцев назад

@@Thom-TRA BART Blue Line to Tracy and Modesto via I-580 & Altamont Pass BART Yellow Line East Bay Area to Stockton via Discovery Bay & Highway 4

@Kitty8791 6 месяцев назад

@@dancingwiththestars3778CBS did a piece on this earlier in the month. "Livermore Mayor John Marchand hopes proposed commuter rail line can connect BART with San Joaquin Valley." Seems Mayor John Marchand has flipped from pro-BART to anti-extension & now pushing for Valley Link. He's gone NIMBY (á là folks in Marin).

@brianhenderson9124 6 месяцев назад

I need to visit one of these days, and use that trip as an excuse to visit the Western Railway Museum.

@wclifton968gameplaystutorials 6 месяцев назад

I am surprised that they didn't build this to Broad Gauge considering that it should be easy for Stadtler Rail to adapt to Broad Gauge considering that I think they can already make trainsets to Russian Gague, OR they could have contracted an Indian or Australian Train Manufacturer since both states already have an extensive Broad Gauge network, therfore in my opinion, in the long run this will cost the Bay Area Rapid Transit Corporation (BART) more money than if they had just built the extension to Broad Gauge, even if it was unelectrified.

@michaelb9629 6 месяцев назад

I’ve never heard of a train station with a transfer point only an no exit. That’s cool how you can get to two different types of BART trains in between. That’s something I want to do someday. It must’ve took me time to know that there’s a different kind of BART train other than the subway. I like how there’s two different kinds of those passenger trains of the same system.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

I remember when the trains were built so that’s how I remembered about it

@michaelb9629 6 месяцев назад

@@Thom-TRA Oh cool. I haven’t really been looking into train systems that much that I don’t live by or plan to visit anytime soon, but I like giving myself the opportunity to hopefully be able find some time to travel to other destinations and check out new ones.

@kjrehberg 6 месяцев назад

Secaucus Junction in New Jersey was originally intended to have no exits but they eventually capitulated and added an exit/entrance and a small parking lot off a NJ Turnpike exit.

@michaelb9629 6 месяцев назад

@@kjrehberg I didn’t know that either. It must be good the way it is now.

@AndreiTupolev 6 месяцев назад

There used to be a similar arrangement at Dovey Junction in Wales, for connecting between trains to/from Aberystwyth and trains to/from Pwllheli

@this_jedi_crafts6626 6 месяцев назад

So awesome - I haven't lived in SF for 30 years (but grew up there). Hoping you do coverage of the other public transit sources. I grew up in the Richmond district and I found it amazing that you could get from there to "downtown" on one bus. However (and unless it's changed) it's tough to simply get from the Richmond to the Sunset district (where I went to high school) unless you are in a car or riding a bike. The electric cars (that run from the Sunset, also back to downtown) were awesome as well! Thanks for covering BART. Despite having taken it when growing up (on random adventures - like to visit friends at UC Berkeley), I haven't taken it in many many years - brought back fun memories.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Of course! I definitely did not make these videos in isolation

@eechauch5522 6 месяцев назад

While it certainly isn’t perfect, having a cross Plattform transfer is fine. There is a similar situation near me when traveling between Austria and Germany. The Austrian side is electrified while the German isn’t, so both trains terminate in Pfronten-Steinach to transfer. It’s unfortunate the BART gauge and narrow right of way remove the possibility of running eBART trains as some sort of express service in the future, but that’s more of a problem of the original BART then the extension. My main point of confusion is why they chose to do the interchange at a station with no exit. I’d guess the reason they didn’t do the transfer at the original terminal is probably due to space constraints, since BART seems to have some storage tracks there. But if they had to build a new station anyways, why not add an exit? The trains have to stop anyways and looking from satellite view there even seems to be an access tunnel, just not for public use. So, it currently has all disadvantages of a station without any benefit to the riders.

@SnickasBah 6 месяцев назад

I'm trying to get my head around why extending the line using existing electrified track gauge would have doubled the cost.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Because it takes up more space and electrification used up twice the amount of infrastructure plus electrical work.

@tonywalters7298 6 месяцев назад

Standard stuff is generally cheaper, especially since they can use off the shelf commuter trains, as opposed to designing for a proprietary gauge.

@PrimeTimeTravelers 6 месяцев назад

That is so interesting to have a transfer platform only alongside the highway. So interesting. Thank you for sharing this with us! Hope you have a great week and hope to hear from you on our train vlogs someday.

@wjekat 6 месяцев назад

This setup reminds me an awful lot of Manhattan Transfer station (not the novel, not the band) in Harrison, NJ which operated from 1910 to 1937 when it was replaced by Newark Penn Station. Manhattan Transfer station also had no exit to the street. It existed to allow PRR trains headed into Manhattan to exchange steam locomotives with electric locomotives, to facilitate transfers between the Pennsylvania Railroad and the Hudson tubes into lower Manhattan and to ferry lines to New York City. A wonderful dedicated multi modal transfer point. So good John Dos Passos used it as the title of his marvelous novel and the equally marvelous vocal band stole its name from the station.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Where was this in relation to the current Harrison station?

@AverytheCubanAmerican 6 месяцев назад

@@Thom-TRAGood question! The station was located in the eastern side of Harrison, about where the big PATH maintenance facility is today

@intrepidfox37 6 месяцев назад

My memory is fuzzy since I was so young but I think Metra used to have a transfer only platform on the Electric District at 67th St. I remember there being wooden platforms there and maybe it was used to get people from the main line to the South Chicago branch. I know in more recent years you’d have opportunities to transfer at 57th, 59th or even 63rd.

@ianmckenna5252 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for the video! I find this and the Oakland Airport BART interesting oddities.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Thank you so much!

@allenjones4168 29 дней назад

I think that elevated track makes the infrastructure look futuristic.

@michaelsullivan3581 6 месяцев назад

Thanks Thom! Great trip!

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Thanks!

@alogan7951 6 месяцев назад

I have been on the airport Bart many times while traveling for my office. I was really impressed with the carpeted city trains! Great video 😊

@anthonysnyder1152 6 месяцев назад

Carpeted trains were gross and removed over a decade ago I think

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

DC had carpeted trains as recently as this summer

@Kitty8791 6 месяцев назад

@@anthonysnyder1152Yup almost a decade ago. BART began replacing carpeted floors in 2008 & finished in June 2015. www.bart.gov/news/articles/2015/news20150810-0 It's all moot now anyway, as the last Legacy train ran this past September 2023 & all trains in-service are "fleet of the future" now.

@trivedimalhar 5 месяцев назад

I live in Bay Area and didn't know about this! Thanks for making this video

@tylerkochman1007 6 месяцев назад

MBTA Ashmont Mattapan High Speed Line: “I’ve been doing the same thing for how long?”

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

But at least in Ashmont you can go out into the world

@tylerkochman1007 6 месяцев назад

@@Thom-TRA yeah. Also, while we don’t think of it like that, the CTA Yellow Line largely acts as a similar extension to the Red Line.

@EpicThe112 6 месяцев назад

Speaking of the eBART DMU one can also see it inside Bremen Hbf 15 years ago for a Wunderline trip to Groningen via Oldenburg Leer(Ostf) for a 173km run. I wonder why NJ Transit didn’t get this version of the GTW yet it's 2018 crash standard compatible that way they can replace the older versions

@gamereric2189 6 месяцев назад

I've always wondered what happens if you moss the last train of the night at Pittsburg Bay Point transfer... do you get stuck there all night? 😳

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

That is a good question

@SFbayArea94121 6 месяцев назад

You went to the HOOD of the Bay Area aside from Oakland. I am at the end of the Blue line in Dublin.

@christophereadgbe2976 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for this! I've seen this different looking BART train for years and never understood it. By the way, we found ourselves on the last run of the last legacy train a few months after you made your trip to California. Looking around the old train as we rode, knew I wouldn't miss it, but all the people that thing must have carried. I'm sure that between my wife an I we were probably in that very car at least a few times before.

@trainsofworld 2 месяца назад

great video!! 👍

@Thom-TRA 2 месяца назад

Thanks!

@melaniedrogr951 6 месяцев назад

I mean i would have electrified it so that you wouldn't need the extra infrastructure needed for diesel engines (which are far more maintenance intensive than electric ones), but it sounds a reasonable solution given that converting the railway gauge is quite expensive, same for trains who can change their gauge mid drive (yes those actually exist).

@MrCrazycook8 6 месяцев назад

Bedankt voor het leuke filmpje. Erg informatief.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Geen dank!

@londonwhaley8690 6 месяцев назад

I enjoyed the video👍👍

@daveinthewildOG 6 месяцев назад

Nice presentation as always! One question: how many trains do they run on the eBart section? This weird little stub is not huge, and doesn't have a bunch of stops. Do they just run one train back and forth, or is a pair that pass each other at some point?

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

There’s more than one, because I got on a return train just 2 minutes after I got to Pittsburg Center. There are 8 GTWs in total. Hope this helps!

@a81517 6 месяцев назад

Looking at google maps, I realize that Bart service goes super far out, so now I want the red line to go to kankakee.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

It’s insane how far it goes

@Geotpf 6 месяцев назад

@@Thom-TRABART is kind of a combination of a Metro and a Regional or Commuter Rail system. Fairly unique; most systems are more clearly one or other.

@desertmodern7638 6 месяцев назад

Very interesting to learn more about eBART, although I still wish they'd been able to just extend the line using the nice broad-gauge electrified system.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Yeah, but then I wouldn’t have been able to make this video lol

@wrongbeans 6 месяцев назад

Being a regular BART commuter I didn't even know that they had different train on Antiock side! However I don't see anyone mentioning that we in the East Bay have been paying for BART 's Livermore extension for decades and we haven't seen anything yet!

@muzvid 5 месяцев назад

Inspired by this video, I finally made time to watch another one about BART that's been on my Watch Later list for a couple of months -- Tunnel Vision: An Unauthorized BART Ride. The film maker surreptitiously attached a camera to the front of a BART train and road it from SFO to the eBART transfer platform. He later added voiceovers, turning it into a documentary, a love letter to a mass transit system. It's 90 minutes long, but it's one of the best "cab ride" videos ever. If you think trains are awesome, I think you'll appreciate this. The last time I tried posting a link in a RU-vid comment, my comment was removed by the bots for violating the spam policy. But if you search for "BART tunnel vision" you should be able to find it easily.

@PhilipTamayo 6 месяцев назад

GTWs are also used on Austin's Capital Metrorail and the A train for the Denton County Transit Authority

@thyagarajannatarajan6234 6 месяцев назад

My man, road to 30k

@danielros7798 4 месяца назад

8:53 Fellow Dutch person here, I ride on the Qbuzz GTWs every day, although they are electric, still cool to them there. All Stadler trains look alike and it's always cool to see one somewhere in a random place instantly reminding you of your local train back home. Did you know you can actually press the open door button before the train stops moving. The light will become green and the door will open immediately when the train stops moving. I found that out quite recently as well :D

@Thom-TRA 4 месяца назад

Sometimes when you travel through Europe it even gets a little boring seeing FLIRTs everywhere you go!

@danielros7798 4 месяца назад

@@Thom-TRA You can never FLIRT enough🥰

@brentsummers7377 6 месяцев назад

Nice! The transfer looks very smooth. As for the signage on the BART map I think it keeps it simple for visitors and tourists.

@triaxe-mmb 6 месяцев назад

I think they should extend this out to Brentwood and the Delta...make these trains its own system that serves the region and connects to BART at the transfer station... would work well as a system enlargment for a relatively low density outer suburban/x-urba /quasi-rural regions of the Bay Area.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

They were talking about extending it to Brentwood at least

@robh48 5 месяцев назад

Great Video , I live in Concord California and I have yet to ride the new EBART line

@MiaCollinsNeighborhood 6 месяцев назад

Hi Thom! Thanks for covering this amazing transit line. It is something that would be hard to find anywhere in the world, and it’s been an honour to have you come to our city and experience it for yourself.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

My pleasure!

@MiaCollinsNeighborhood 6 месяцев назад

@@Thom-TRA Well I just wanna say, this video is right on track!

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

@@MiaCollinsNeighborhood good one!

@MattLashbrook 6 месяцев назад

I saw these GTW trains in Austin texas recently! Such a strange service in SF haha.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

I want to ride the Texan GTW trains someday!

@tonywalters7298 6 месяцев назад

Hopefully UP can be more reasonable and allow it to be extended along the existing tracks to Tracy

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

That would be great

@jimstraveladventures3961 6 месяцев назад

Little secret, in UP employee timetable most of the line to Tracy is out of service.

@anthonyhunt701 6 месяцев назад

Loving your channel! Back from ancient video railfanning in the 1970s lol

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Glad you’re loving it!

@ksoman953 6 месяцев назад

That was my first reaction, they look similar to the NJ Riverline. I should take a ride up one of these days to Antioch.

@electrourbantrans1018 6 месяцев назад

The Yellow line serves one of the most historically authentic suburban rail transport connections. Sacramento Northern interurban railway served passengers from Oakland, Laffaytte, Walnut Creek, Concord and Pittsburg until 1941. The interurban route was different from BART, but went through the same cities as the Yellow Line now. Voltage and types of collectors were different from place to place of Sacramento Northern interurban system. It was standard-gauge. Dining and parlor car service were included. Speeds varied from 35 mph in Oakland bridge to 15-20 mph in Oakland city streets and somewhere in sharp curves near Lafayette or at crossings in Concrode, but up to 60 mph near McAvoy. However, interurban had a number of features due to which passenger service was abandoned, such as steep mountain serpentines, many of flag stops, single track and predominantly freight business. It was 7 passenger trains per day in the best times and then reduced to just 4 ones per day in 1941. Also it was plans to extend the line to Antioch... but it was never realized. Looking at the situation today, I am glad that residents of all the cities I named received direct and fast transport to San Francisco. The diesel LRT train shown in the second part of the video is becoming the same trend in the USA as the electric one. In general, it performs its function, but just a little cheaper in terms of capital costs. I'm a public transport lover, but as a tram lover I should to mention, these diesel trains, whether in a busy US suburb or in Dutch fields or in a half-abandoned railway line in Bulgaria, have a certain charisma of a small diesel tram. Thank you for video!!!

@IronHorsefan1869 6 месяцев назад

I'm really glad these European Built Trains are becoming more common, I especially love the Arrow in San Bernardino and Sprinter in San Diego County

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

I love Arrow! It was one of my first popular videos

@IronHorsefan1869 6 месяцев назад

@@Thom-TRA Arrow is epic for sure, I really hope more and more commuter trains in America start using this technology, I did a video on Arrow and also the SMART in the Sonoma Area

@97nelsn 6 месяцев назад

I was just watching a special on KPIX’s RU-vid channel called “Bart on the Brink” and the last story was about how the former mayor of Livermore, CA originally wanted a Bart extension but opposes it now in favor of something called Valley Link Rail which, similar to eBart, extends the route but will not be operated by Bart, and runs on hydrogen powered trains. Still, like eBart, it sound ridiculous and should just be part of the full Bart network.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

They are upgrading it substantially. I think you still run into the problem of the tracks being UP owned.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

@@davidjackson7281 it’s a reroute through Tracy, speeding up of some slow sections, and a new line to Merced to meet up with CHSR.

@hansoverbeeke5442 Месяц назад

Sure enough, tough here in europe a spanish train builder Talgo can make trains that can switch with differend gauge widts pretty clever❤😊

@muzvid 6 месяцев назад

I live in the Bay Area and ride BART regularly, yet I had never heard about this! Then again, I've never gone further east than Concord.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Check it out sometime!

@spocksvulcanbrain 6 месяцев назад

I've lived in the SF Bay area since 1981 and never knew this. I take BART all the time (but never to Antioch). Good information and thanks for the video.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

You’re welcome! Try it out sometime!

@gregwilliams386 6 месяцев назад

Did you mention that Eastern Contra Costa county had paid BART fees and taxes for about 50 years without any service?

@kidfrombrooklyn66 6 месяцев назад

VERY INTERESTING - strange - but still VERY INTERESTING

@captaindunsell8568 6 месяцев назад

In Switzerland… as you ride the various trains going from the lake into the highlands the trains get shorter and shorter until they are down to two cars

@rikkichunn8856 6 месяцев назад

Congratulations, Thom! You found a line I had never heard of. I haven't been to the Bay Area in a few years--I guess it shows. My guess is that e-BART will be extended over coming years. It will be interesting to see where it gets extended to. Anyway, thanks for extending my exposure to new things in suburban rail.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Wow, I consider this quite the achievement!

@baseballfan99 6 месяцев назад

The only similar example I can think of in the U.K. is the Merseyrail connection with Northern Trains at Ormskirk, Headbolt Lane and Ellesmere Port where you have to transfer from electric to diesel but they are shown as separate trains on the timetable rather than the example here. As you have no doubt seen the new trains have batteries aboard so they can go beyond the electric 3rd rail range thus increasing the Merseyrail network at a cheaper cost.

@dexteralexander2437 6 месяцев назад

Extra points for explaining why E-Bart is standard gauge and diesel powered. Points deducted for no Lindsey cameo. 😎

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Next time!

@dexteralexander2437 6 месяцев назад

👍

@user-wr7cv1ny5r 4 месяца назад

Greater Anglia in the UK uses the similar FLIRT trains but some are dual mode, diesel/battery.

@donbill8913 6 месяцев назад

The eBart is great, need to extend more stops after the Antioch station

@tommarino1056 6 месяцев назад

Interesting that California has so many environmental rules and allowed a new diesel train to be built.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

When it comes to diesel these Stadlers probably are the cleanest, but you’re right, it is interesting

@wmtrader 6 месяцев назад

California allows for tier 4 diesel. There are other tier 3 tier 4 diesel transit trains in California.

@thomaslautenberger6447 2 дня назад

I am a resident in the bay area. I have taken this line regularly since 2018. It is really quirky. Typically only every other train on the line goes to the transfer platform. This makes delays really frustrating. If you just barely miss the antioch train, its not just waiting 10 minutes for the next pittsburg baypoint train, but you eventually will have to wait for the antioch train that is coming 20 minutes later. This makes a long ride even more time consuming because money.

@Thom-TRA 2 дня назад

I never realized the frequencies were different between the two

@michaelsmiley15 6 месяцев назад

It was the cheapest way to get the extension done Bart used money set aside for the Antioch extension on other projects so when it was time to build the east county line the border chose this diesel multi unit Nothing wrong with it but something that should have been done like 20 plus years ago

@3henry214 6 месяцев назад

That is absolutely correct. While it was true that East Contra Costa County was not originally part of the BART district, they did join a lot earlier than the cities did along the BART extension corridor from Daly City to the SF Airport. East County residents, were paying BART taxes for well over 20 years without getting anything in return, with their money being diverted into the airport extension instead. After many delays, and promises by BART to complete the Antioch extension, BART was sued, and was required to start construction of the Antioch extension by a certain date, which I do not remember. The BART pulled a "fast one", and constructed a BART "park and ride" lot as a "place holder" at the location in Antioch where the BART terminus station was to have been built, technically satisfying their legal obligation to begin construction of the Antioch extension. That "park and ride" lot was a joke, and was hardly utilized. In the meantime, the plans to widen Hwy 4 proceeded, and BART found themselves "land locked" between that highway widening project. More lawsuits ensued with East County trying to get BART to make good on the extension that they had already been paying taxes on for decades, and E-BART was the solution developed to bridge the gap between that Antioch "Park & Ride" BART parking lot, and the BART Bay Point Station. The confined space that the HWY 4 expansion left BART with in the Highway median, would have required BART to construct the extension with elevated tracks and stations, so the cheaper solution of using standard gauge rolling stock that could fit into the center highway median was used. It was an "after thought" add on bandage, and that is why it ended p being so weird. There is a lot of sorted history and controversy behind the Antioch extension, and the "E" in E-BART indeed originally stood for extended - BART.

@chunliisthebest 6 месяцев назад

is this also used for the oakland airport line? i see a funky similar looking train overhead sometimes

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

The Oakland airport line actually uses a cable to pull it!

@gormster 6 месяцев назад

Here’s what I don’t get: I’ve heard dozens of times that narrow gauge is cheap and broad gauge is expensive. But _why?_ You’re just setting the rails a bit further apart, right? Okay, the sleepers have to be longer, and that makes them slightly more expensive. And maybe the right of way you need to acquire has to be slightly wider (though, all in all, I doubt this is ever actually the case, as the right of way is normally significantly wider than the tracks, which themselves would be less than two feet wider overall). But the rails are the same size, the right of way in this case is exactly the same size, and surely the cost of the sleepers in this build was so tiny it’s basically a rounding error. How did building it to standard gauge knock 50% of the price off?

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

The key is in the word standard. Building something to specifics other than standard takes more expertise. Also, don’t underestimate the sheer difference square footage can make in the Bay Area. Finally, the cost of electrification is prohibitive. Remember, it’s third rail. That’s two extra rails for the entire 9 miles.

@BrooksMoses 6 месяцев назад

Also, the rails aren't the same size. BART was originally laid with 112-pound-per-foot rail, which is basically a medium-weight mainline rail weight. The eBART trains, by contrast, are "light rail" vehicles that can use considerably smaller rails, which means not just that the rail is cheaper, but the forces on the track are lower, meaning the sleepers can be lighter, and the roadbed doesn't need to be as large or deep, and all of that compounds into the price. The "third rail" is not just normal rail, too. It's actually stainless-steel-capped aluminum (or, in the older tracks, aluminum cast around steel rail), which is substantially more expensive than plain steel rail. And there is also the power infrastructure to provide power to it.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

@@BrooksMoses thanks for the technical details!

@6yjjk 6 месяцев назад

6:28 FLIRT, KISS... SPURT? Oh dear.

@Warriorcats64 6 месяцев назад

Are you flying out of Oakland to try out The Connector? I mean it's a glorified toy train that moves glacially and the local bus can do the same thing for cheaper...but for completion's sake you might as well. Also, I totally thought you were German, somewhere in Westphalia...wasn't far off lol.

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

No, we took the train out of SF

@TheNewGreenIsBlue 5 месяцев назад

Do they always try to time the transfers with BART to eBART? I don't supposed there's a need for increased frequency on a 2-station stub but if they ever extended it further I can see them maybe having use for more frequent trains than BART has.

@dantamsky9712 6 месяцев назад

American transportation technology used to be really different from European transportation. That all started to change with the Volkswagen.

@Teabahgeue 6 месяцев назад

If you happen to be coming back to Antioch on the last BART train and it gets DELAYED, you end up at Pittsburg BART and have to figure it out. eBART dgaf if the train you're on gets delayed. Antioch paid taxes since I was a baby into BART for an extension and got eBART. Hopefully that autonomous system they're talking about putting in the EB accentuates eBART or it gets expanded into AMTRAK like some people have mentioned.

@jg-7780 6 месяцев назад

I imagine the track gauge isnt thw main reason it was built separately, but rather the train length. 10-Car BART trains require massive platforms and stations. To make space for stations, they needed to widen the highway, which was extremely expensive. By using the GTW's they can build mich shorter platforms and they dont need to widen as much.

@kyleluna757 6 месяцев назад

We need to bring back the Legacy Bart Train

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Love the legacies

@Yvonne-Bella 6 месяцев назад

Kinda wish you showed the Fare Chart so people can see what it costs from a starting station to the end destination

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

The great thing is that’s super easy to look up on Google

@laurenceskinnerton73 6 месяцев назад

I’ve been on this!

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Nice!

@spacewolfjr 5 месяцев назад

Another important fact, you're not allowed spaghetti on BART but you can have it on the eBART _if_ you are carrying less than 3 meatballs.

@Thom-TRA 5 месяцев назад

This fact could save lives if more people knew it

@spacewolfjr 5 месяцев назад

@@Thom-TRA their dinner too!

@paulramon3353 6 месяцев назад

that freeway noise is hideous - obviously sound baffling was too expensive as well

@Thom-TRA 6 месяцев назад

Allow me to introduce you to the red and blue lines in Chicago. They’re terrible. So loud.

@calleywang6203 4 месяца назад

How well do the train operator and the automated annoucements explain the transfer process once you get to the station?

@Thom-TRA 4 месяца назад

The operator did a decent job iirc

@brentsummers7377 21 день назад

In practice it works very well. You either walk off one train and straight onto to the other, or walk off the eBART train & wait a few minutes for the train heading to SFO airport. There is no tagging on or off involved. The eBART trains are quiet and fast easily keeping up with the speed of the highway traffic.