iv had two bafang motors bbs02 and 620 ultra both been running around 5 years no issues and still going strong. ultra is the best motor so far except it is heavy. now im running cyc stealth gen 3 light and powerful 160nm 2500w on an old enduro santa cruise nomad. its a beast! gets me grining every-time i get on it. tops out at 70kmph and gets there fast though i generally run at 25-30kmph as i dont want any undue attention from mr plod. bike 23kg rider 75kg maybe 2-3kg for backpack pretty much 100kg total. love it
@robertsmark2650 wow man I'm envious. I've never had an ebike but if I do I'd like something serious like what you have. Unfortunately pretty strict here in Australia re roads/e bikes. So would have to use it off road most of the time. What battery do you have?
@@Avatar711Wizard im in aus too, im just careful where i put the power down. iv got a small 52v 10ah battery and it enough for me. i get two three hours pedal assist plus some fun blasting the throttle on occasion
Bravely done Steve! You've come a long way to embracing Bafang from the old days! As a Bafanger owning the full gamut of Bafang motors from the huge M620-160Nm, M600-120Nm and the compact M820-75Nm. Powerful, reliablIe, and less expensive.💸 It was awesome to finally see the full motor parts breakdown. Now if they only could make a casing gasket that wouldn't 💯 break when opening it for a re-greasing at 2k miles.😝 Or at least make spares to sell for the newer motors M820.😁
I have a BaFang motor in my Luna Cycle. It's the Luna Cycle Apollo that is not made anymore. But I have 160Nm and a 1100 Whr battery .....the bike is faster than hell and will climb anything you are willing to ride! The motor has been used for almost 3 years and still works flawlessly today! I really respect all the efforts that Bafang puts into their products! Thanks for showing us how sophisticated the assembly lines are and then dedication of all the employees!!!
Another BBS02 user here (UK based), first one did over 10k miles, still runs fine but the bike is literally disintegrating around it so needs a full refurb, new wheels/brakes forks etc. Specialized Crosstrail. Second bike is now up to 3000 miles fitted to a Trek Dual Sport4, again, suits the bike perfectly
wow thats quite something, i think when you see chinese home grown brands people are quite weary of buying into them as we have concerns over poor materials and reliability, clearly Bafang have this process nailed, very good.
Wow from a very brave segment exploring class 123 ebike with throttle in a previous vid to now embracing the ppls diy ebike tuning chose Bafang. Supernice embn.
i got a bafang kit off amazon a few years back to build a custom ebike cruiser. its awesome to see this and see how much more legit of a company they are. the motor has been great and they provided some great customer service when i had an issue with the controller wire. definitely will consider a newer motor from em in the future
New Bafang’s engines are super cool pieces. Every year they reduce the gap to European manufactures. Its matter of time where Bafang, DJI, etc become leaders.
DJI's first bike motor is the most powerful by far for the weight, they are already leading, it's just getting the brand recognition it needs which will lag a bit, but won't be long, just look at how BYD is tracking, 3 years ago, not many heard of the name, let alone want to buy one, nowadays it's gradually becoming a household in Australia name due to its technology, quality and value.
M560 is a powerhouse! Let's us climb mountains in Colorado. Bafang is a leader in the E bike industry with the best mid drive conversion system. But, as a bike shop owner, we would like to be able to get wholesale prices for our customers. We service, repair, and install Bafang systems all day. Most bikes here in the states are running Bafang.
Thanks Steve, amazing stuff again. I have visited Suzhou many times. Your video brings back good memories for me from the time I visited the factories. Suzhou City is also a modern place.
No wonder the Chinese brands are cheaper than other brands... it's the sheer scale of its operations. Buying a bafang would have put me off before, but after watching their factory operations i wouldn't hesitate now. Yep, buying an emtb is next on my list. Something that i wouldn't consider before, but I'm getting on a bit.
@embn I'm just looking at the moment, but the vitus sentier is incredible spec and value for the money and they also use the bafang motor. Unfortunately, they are no longer available, but their website is still up???? I was tempted at the new amflow by dji, but my wife would kill me if I'd spent that much on an emtb, lol.
The competitive advantages that Chinese manufacturers have are: integrated supply chain which means most of the suppliers are within a 5-10 miles radius; plenty of well-trained engineers and dedicated skillful manufacturing workers; massive domestic market to support the growth of the brand; quality infrastructures to keep efficient transportations; manufacturing friendly environment that provided by the locals; and much more...
Currently riding a CX4, Bulls Copperhead evo AM. Love the motor, love 750 battery. Love the damn bike! Dont love the ever ticking time of warranty running out. Without dedicated parts ordering availability, like a website with diagrams/schematics and component support. My next bike. Without a doubt, will be Bafang powered. No other manufacturer has the aftersales and after warranty support Bafang offers. No one. I wanted a Vitus E myth, but at the time, they weren't available in North America. Now, it is not available at all. So, it shall be framed by an E82 or Markhor(very MonDraker like). Sure. DJI, Pinion, and ZF are all on the horizon. But, despite all the wow, where is the age-old demand? Which is repair support, which means resale value, which means overall value in your product. Ultimately, loyalty.
When you see this production line you really have to wonder why the hell e-bikes are so expensive. It’s thirty year old tech assembled on the least technological assembly line I have ever seen.
Well they could, give better customer service for those riders in the UK who purchased from Vitus before they went bust. Still waiting for help my M510
Could you guys please do a video about aftermarket range extenders? I think a company called Volabike makes some. But, I haven’t heard good things about them. I would like to buy one for my EXe. But, I don’t really see the point of the OEM 160wh extender. I want at least a 250wh extender.
I worked in the USA for what is probably the most successful suture manufacturer in the world and their clean room procedures weren't this impressive. ( I've been retired for a few years TBH) The automated machinery looked very familiar and similar. We shipped most of the non-automated jobs to Juarez Mexico a while back though...I have a BBSHD on a bike I built years ago and my son has a M600? on his Motobecane full suspension EMTB that is several years old and lives in the Arizona desert.. Only the control display has failed on the Motobecane...I have to say that I don't like the way power is delivered on the BBSHD but it is fine ( and powerful) for non-trail use. I like the Tongsheng torque sensor mid-motor better for DIY off road use even though it has less power and tiny brittle wires....My wife also rides an E-bike on the street with a bafang hub motor with zero problems.
Nice to see, thx Bob. Don´t they do also Bosch and Shimano Motors there? ;) I tried to replace my E8000 with Bafang because E8000 crashed 4x at ~5.000 km but cant find the matching Parts. Now i have a new Bike with BOSCH smart CX and it running since 13.000 km perfect. But the BOSCH marketing is not so user friendly, no compatibility for Range extender Power More 250 ore TRP or DI2 Shifting with my Motor from 2022 - so sad. Bafang has no Designer for Motors? And you can´t compare the software with Bosch Software? Never see such comparisons! No Range extender? No nice Bikes? No reseller in Europe? Maybe they can make than Adapters für the other Motors, to replace defect Shimano ore Bosch Motors after Warranty with Bafang systems? Maybe there is coming a big Market for that soon, but where to buy? Website with many Blabla, i believe that you can build a good Motor! But where to by, where to pay, how to have fun? ;)
I have an M620 motor and in its stock form it was really loud and so I split the case and took out the meager amount of white lithium that was in it and replaced it with a heaping tablespoon of John Deere Cornhead grease and it now is virtually silent all but under full power there is a bit of a whir. I would recommend it highly for any motor with steel gears especially.
@livinglifeontheedge4261 yeah I've seen a video on RU-vid someone doing that to m620 gears. I own a m620 also and have split my motor also. Did you know as of 6 months ago the m620 motor now has noise reduction gears ( same size gears with more teeth) videos are on RU-vid comparing the new v old, I bought one a few weeks ago to replace my mates faulty m620 and its pretty much silent. Yeah they used black grease in this video not white like our older motors.
@@rossg9363 Yeah I am aware of that but no need to switch as it is as quiet as can be expected now with the new grease. Also the newer motors that are CanBus don't attract me at all. My bike is a 52v UART version that I have tuned just the way I like it!
@livinglifeontheedge4261 ok cool, yeah I agree UART is the way to go, mine is UART system with a 52v 1000wh battery and I checked the serial number on the controller on my motor and it's its a 48v not a 52v go figure, that how I bought it yours might be the same to
@@rossg9363 Nope mine is a legit 52v as I drowned my original 48v and replaced it with a 52v from GBK.....However it was able to use a 52v battery with the 48v controller oddly enough.
I have had multiple the Bafang motors from the M620, M 600, M 510 and most recently M560. In general, they have very poor waterproofing, lots of power and the controllers leave a lot to be desired. So far the best is the M 600 with the Luna Ludacris controller. This takes the motor within range of the Bosch or Shimano for smoth power delivery however still not as good. But it does give you a lot more power. However, for all this power, you have to bring a bigger battery. I had the original issue M560 which had very loud gearing and the overrun was literally dangerous. One time it launched me from almost a standstill 4 m forward. After that, I took the motor off it went back to the M 600. And I had three of the early issue M560s so this wasn’t a one off. They were all the same lousy controller. At see Honor they had the latest issue of the M560 which was quieter and performed significantly better. I am hopeful that this will be the motor of the future. The M510 is a nice motor, but I have never had it put out much power. The other issue with the Bafang motors is the lack of good frames. They finally have one coming out called me E 82 however, the seat tube is crazy high. I think the large is 490 and the X large is 520 mm. I don’t know what kind of a dropper you can get on this, unless your legs are very long. I know it’s way too high for me. So for now I’m riding mostly Bosch. I have big Crestline RH4 with the Bosch race, which is an absolutely awesome bike. I think the chain stays are a little bit long and the BB is a little bit low for my rocky trails, but at present, there’s no way to get everything. It’ll be a very interesting to see how long it takes to get the new DJI and ZF motors into production. I also want to mention all the talk about throttle bikes, being illegal, etc. we always carry the throttle in our backpack when in the backcountry on a Bafang motor bike because if you get an injury to a leg or even an arm, having that throttle can be a lifesaver to get you home.
We always go above and beyond what RU-vid asks of us to declare when we've been paid for a video :) It's nothing to worry about though, we make 4 videos per week that you can watch for free on youtube. Got to keep the lights on! We're never told what to do or say, our footage, edits and opinions are our own and quite frankly we'd never be able to afford a trip like this without being invited! So we're excited we can show you this side of E-bikes that we wouldn't get to share otherwise
Good grief that is terrible host. He keeps adding words to what the expert say and it’s clear he has no idea what he’s talking about. Need somebody who actually manufacturing to be doing a tour
