I want Alex to do a lifecycle analysis on EVERY single last component in that laptop on the main channel. It might be an hour long, but I'd love to see it...
Really appreciate the tear-down and "repairness" segments in these reviews. Thanks. Only thing I'd ask for is some kind of supported life statement on stuff like this. These things would look really good in the "corporate sustainability" section of an annual report.
Recycled ≠ eco-friendly. REDUCE and RE-USE come before recycle. Being built to last and/or upgradeable, like the Framework laptop, makes much more of an impact.
Part of the marketing is that it's upgradable? But they only mention that it has standard screws, so.... Edit: Finished the video, they definitely could've gone further with repair/upgradability if they just used more of the internal space.
Recycled is not necessary eco-friendly but it's not like they did a a e-waste with recycled material, they made a good low tier pc with recycled material, upgradable and that can be repaired so it is going toward the eco-friendly side (not like fairphone that is straight unusable 2 year down the line because its already obsolete)
@@32krod The Framework laptop is designed so that it's mainboard can be replaced, eventually I hope that even with 3rd party ones. RAM upgradeability isn't full upgradeability. If they can keep the screen and other components out of the landfill for a couple more years it's a much greater effect.
@@morosis82 Yeah, while we're at it, burning fossil fuels to turn the heat into electricity is an incredibly wasteful process as-is, unlike many of the existing forms of clean energy. Anything that involves absorbing heat to turn it into any other form of energy in general is wasteful.
@@blazebluebass US Keyboard is awesome. I could never go back to the layout my country uses. Just use US International as keyboard setting and you're good to go
@@swecreations Yeah, a lot of people don't seem to consider that paper is made from trees that are specifically grown to become paper. They don't just use random trees in the wild.
@@Kyle_116 Paper trees (as I like to call them) also tend to outgrow demand, meaning that the trees planted don't actually always end up all being used. Paper being a bad for the environment isn't an issue much anymore, and sometimes the call to "go green" by not using paper is misleading. It's not the paper itself that's really the problem, but say the transport and other means to delivering it.
To everyone complaining about how its eco-friendliness isn't enough, bear in mind that a giant corporation like Acer can't just change overnight. Like it or not, it has shareholders that don't give a damn about the environment, they only care about the bottom line. Do not hate on gradual change because it is not instant change. If a couple years from now this turns out to be a token gesture at being eco-friendly when the rest of their line shows no change, then yes, Acer is not eco-friendly. If this is the first of many small steps in the right direction, then kudos for Acer, and keep it up!
We should be demanding more from companies, no matter the shareholders. It's not our job to find a compromise, it's Acer's. However, this laptop is quite good in regards to its eco-friendliness and if they had a replaceable keyboard and less packaging, it'd be perfect (in an eco-friendly sense).
@@leonro I agree we should demand more, but demanding more does not mean demeaning an effort that falls short of what we think is the ultimate ideal. Acer made a solid effort, and that's fantastic. Now they need to keep improving on it and start implementing similar and better measures throughout their line.
I especially like the packaging. Most of that can be used everywhere to cut down on plastic without compromising the quality. Not everyone might want to get rid of Aluminium chassis, but there is also no need to wrap it all in 3 layers of plastic bags. Btw. shoutout to Oculus (and anyone else doing this) for doing 0% plastic packaging too (like the cable wrapped in paper etc.).
@@korn6657 absolutely they could have and should have. Not a reason to reject the fact they have made an effort now. Just like people, a business will always be a work in progress. None of us start perfect, or end perfect, but hopefully we end up closer than what we started. The only way anything ever gets done in this world is gradual change. Vocal dissenters to this gradual change, for who nothing is acceptable but immediate perfection are the biggest obstacle to change, because why should I make that small improvement when I will only be hated for not making an even bigger one?
Not to mention that "recycled materials" doesn't mean "eco-friendly". You know what's more "eco-friendly" than recycling aluminium? Not needing to recycle it in the first place. "REDUCE" and "REUSE" come before "RECYCLE" for a reason. That makes the Framework laptop more "eco-friendly" than whatever garbage the big brands pump out.
Hello guys, up-vote the comment! So I bought this laptop, in my country Denmark the I5 model (Newest 11th gen, 1155g7) and 8gbs of ram 3200 mhz, 512gb nvme ssd was a good price, with the I7 / 16gb running a bit more. Hardware: 8 gigs can only be upgraded to 12. Im planning to do this. Just booting the laptop eats like 3-4gigs on windows 11 which it comes with only. Bloatware was not to bad, CPU usage on first boot was very low, or 0-3% most of the time, so good enough, the acer software I also didn't remove actually. It runs quit hot sadly. Even this tigerlake stuff is....not good for battery, and speaking about the I5 model...the IGPU is great. Performance is good, even in games with 60 FPS low settings. It also feels snappy to use etc, but heat is a problem/noisy fans under load. But its 100% silent when not doing much...ALSO! This pissed me off, but the exhaust (warm air) comes out on the top, instead of the sides, so it overheats if you close the lid and continue using the laptop with external monitor - Good thing you can turn off the screen on the laptop and get all things working that way in windows display settings...Also HDR works great on windows 11, no issues :) Build quality is also fine. There is no screen wobble on mine, which Alex had...I really worried about that too, but only the left hinge feels a bit loose, but else no wobble...So far. Anyway full plastic and it feels sturdy. Some deck flex for sure compared to aluminium chassis etc. In general im happy enough but I think battery is lacking, problems with heat when lid closed AND! also the so-so screen, also because of the amount of ports I like it, I wanted a laptop with ethernet/rj45 port, and only Lenovo and HP seems to have some laptops with that now a days besides acer. Anyway on battery size most in this price range used same 3-cell lithium 45-50 what hour battery or whatever its called. In general it was the best laptop for performance/hardware and stuff in my country as of end of 2021 in that price bracket. Many laptops has little ports, 256gb, the older I5 1135g7 etc, AND none offered 16gb...Also on the ram, the bios is very limited on these notebooks so no XMP, aka only 2667 MHz ram speed dual channel on my model... Oh also I opened it up to see what ram and ssd brand it was, Kingston nvme and Samsung ram. You just need a small plastic guitar pick to open it yes. Very easy, anyone can do it. Hope that helps, please up-vote the comment for others.
My first laptop way back was an Acer aspire and that was super easy to open for repairs and maintenance. So Acer has got that one covered for a while. Compared to my brothers HP that had to be completely disassembled for a simple dusting.
This laptop ticks a lot of boxes. The keyboard not being replaceable is a little bit of a bummer but aside from that this things kinda killer. What is this strange and easily repairable future were venturing into. I like it. :)
@@itsTyrion you pay more to feel better about yourself by buying recyclable laptop. green products always cost more than its regular counterparts which is the reason why its still not a success to this day.
I am a sustainable packaging engineer, thanks for recognising dilemma I face every day. The difference between viable sustainability and feelgoodisms is a nuanced one.
Let me ask you this. Energy CAN be renewable potentially. The amount of energy it takes to make something could not possibly be more important than if the byproduct of that thing being a non-biodegradable substance that exists indefinitely on our planet (with a little toxic leaching for good measure). Therefore cardboard would essentially always be the more ecological answer over plastic.
ngl i feel that as long as it's not excessively packaged I'm chill because if the material itself is shit for the environment, at least there's less material to begin with
@@LordDRockMusic I am all for paper and bio material, but if you are picking sustainability based on what you wish is gonna happen and not what is actually happening you have already failed. Paper that ends up in a landfill will have more embodied carbon than plastic and it is still gonna exist in a landfill in 2,000 years as there is not enough moisture and gas flowing through that landfill for it to decompose. You can pull 1920s news papers put of landfills today and read them good as new. So if a product is being sold in a western market where the likelyhood that it is gonna end up in a river is low, then you should be considering plastics. I dont really have a problem with paper or plastic. They both have their issue and benefits. My biggest annoyance is product that use both like carded blisters and window boxes. Those are going in the trash and not being recycled Packaging right now is a battle ground for sustainability between, low carbon, zero plastics, and biodegradability. Rarely do you get a solution with all three. Everyone has a opinion on it. marketing, purchasing, quality, logistics, the EPA, the states, congress, the media and the consumer all love to tell me how to do my job, yet most dont even know packaging engineers exist. Its kinda funny.
@@TheJttv Yes paper might not decompose in landfills but you could still get rid of it easily if you wanted. It's not the same with plastic, unless you burn it
I am a longtime ace user and still so happy that i made the right choice 6 years ago. My laptop is working like a charm, although it is so old. And easy to repair as well.
i mean it a tank, but in a good way. Although mine seams cheap there is no flex for the keyboard, really modular (i even changed the Hinche) and easy to repair
My experience with Acer has been that they are really good bang for the buck, and easily upgrade-able. I am rocking a 2012 aspire v3 that packaged with 2nd gen i3, and I was able to easily upgrade to 2nd gen i7, upgraded RAM and swapped my hdd for ssd, and replacing the keyboard was a breeze. They also support 2 storage drives. I love it so much that I picked up an identical twin on ebay a couple years ago and performed the same mods. Now I have 2 of them, one being my home laptop, and the other, I travel with. To this day, they both still perform very well, with no issues. They aren't super gaming computers or anything, but they are very decent and do everything I need them to do with ease.
That is true but what is most important is if it's worth for the price point and I believe it is as there are minimal compromises for a 700 dollar laptop
Honestly I have a similar acer myself, since I have my main desktop tower at home. Everything just works, it is a mid-tier laptop and it just runs and runs and makes what I want to do with it. I will use it until the end of its lifetime. The trackpad and the keyboard are a joy to use, probably the best features of the laptop. Among with the great UI. The only big downside I saw on the video I personally have was the display. I don't know, I feel that the display on my Acer is better. That's the one that has to fulfill minimal requirements for me, since you want to work on it and consume media with it. I wish they would've fitted it with a better display. Though I am very happy with the one my unit has here, so idk.
PS: Oh yes, I remember. The colors (he mentioned the greens, yes I think it was the greens) were really a bit off and you could see it. I had to install another color profile. Windows has the options to install color profiles for your display. There was one on the internet that corrected the colors and now it looks really fine. So it's true, I had to do a bit to fix my display, but now it's pretty good.
This smells a lot like green washing to me. I mean come on non of the really problematic materials like battery and PCB seem to be recycled, just the chassis.
0:36 absolutely love that mention there. It is good if recycling these items, or making them doesn't hurt nature, if it hurts more to recycle than to make new, then that's not much good. So, 1. Recyclers must use environment friendly recycling methods and develop such technologies. 2. The new or recycled product must not hurt nature. If these two aren't met, then the "recycled" becomes a word used for marketing and to deceive people that they are helping the planet....
Sometimes I think I'm the only person that actually likes heavy laptops. I like my portable electrics weighty. Substantial feeling. I don't like laptops that feel like they can blow over if I switch my desk fan to high.
I spend my time In airplanes traveling from conference room to conference room and I definitely prefer thin and light. Otherwise my personal devices I don’t really care other than value
It will never be normal if we don't give companies a reason to do it. Even if it's for publicity like with the pride flag thing, it's still better for everyone if we trick them into doing it.
Honestly, the PC that is the most eco-friendly is the one that doesn’t draw too much power when idle, but is powerful and nice enough that you’ll use it for a long time. My mom uses an iMac 2008 and it works fine.
I'm fine with recycled materials and eco friendly things, HOWEVER, this should never be the main selling point. The laptop is still a laptop first and foremost, it just happens to be made with eco friendly materials.
And it's a perfectly useable laptop. With the added benefit of being made partly from recycled materials. At its market range, why not make that it's main selling point? You're never going to get top of the line components, so why not market what might be unique. It's got easy reparability which I'm sure will please plenty of people.
Acer is garbage, the laptop's motherboard breaks every 3 months and the repair service will screw the pc even more which will break again right after the warranty and they will ask a repair price that cost more than the pc itself to repair. NEVER PURCHASE ACER = SCAM
This has incredible potential, that chassis looks absolutely stunning imo, if they made it with 16:10. Do a ryzen version WITH radeon rx mobile chips, give it a better screen (doesn't need to be extreme) and a bigger battery. Perhaps hdmi 2.1. Then I'm down. I would buy that in a heart beat. Like a ryzen 5800, radeon 6600m and lets say a 83wah battery. A stronger hinge so it doesn't wobble that much... Than damn..
@@annurissimo1082 that's what I thought lmao HDMI 2.1 doesn't belong on anything like this yet. Ryzen would be nice, 16:10 would be nice, better screen would be nice, but that would bring it up a couple hundred I'd imagine. For $700 I feel like you're getting a lot of value out of it. edit: seeing the Amazon listing saying it's $900 is a bit of a bite into the value, Thunderbolt would have been a nice inclusion, but for the hardware you're getting out of it, it's definitely overpriced.
Here is a thought, that recycled plastic looks like an amazing feeling, I am not an eco nut but if that laptop feels as good as it looks, maybe recycled plastic would be good intermediary material for laptops between virgin plastic and Aluminum.
Acer saw Framework's impact and said "I want a bit of that". This is good. These companies will see that being sustainable + repairable SELLS more product. Now that Acer's done it, other brands will do the same.
wouldn't aluminum chassies be more recyclable? It's not like most metals are advertised as recycled, but most foundries probably prefer recycling aluminum instead of going through the more costly mining and refining process. Other laptops probably use recycled aluminum without even knowing it. IDK man looks like a marketing thing to cash on the current hype around this type of stuff
A large amount of aluminum is recycled, while plastics are largely thrown away. It's good that they're demonstrating that plastics can be recycled for commercial use however.
Ive always loved my acer laptops.Cheap, but decent quality. Even before this they were fairly easily repaired. I daily drove an Acer Aspire 4810T for over 8 years from 2009 to 2018. I replaced batteries, heat pipes, storage, wifi chip, ports. The only reason i let it go was i broke the screen and the replacement was like150 bucks and i decided to stop using it.
I love seeing a new Short Circuit video pop up on my feed. I never watch it right away. I like to wait an hour or two to see what the title to changes to.
In my experience, they were pure junk. After the second one, I had finally learned my lesson. This one sounds like it is better, but oh Lord, I'm not going there again.
Acer designs are stuck in the 2000s. You can have so much better laptops for the same price range like say Lenovo. Im my experience as well they are very flimsy compared to their competitors. Buy something else other than an Acer.
@@GrimYak Where do you hear this , I've seen nothing but praise for their budget oriented laptops , albeit some cheaped out but fixable for not much cost.
Alex, this is like the 6th entry in the saga of “the Dell XPS speakers are broken”, yeah the audio drivers for the XPS line on W11 is waves, it is the only way to make it sound good. Look up a guide, I’ve gotten Waves to sound super accurate and good and I have a XPS 17.
I mean i probably depends on how "clean" the frame is, if its 10 different plastics, its not gonna be easily recycled. The electronics themselves, apart from the battery, are actually recycleable as far as i know
@@08.nguyenthanhuc38 definitely the battery, the touchpad seems not to be easily recycled, pcbs cannot be recycled very well either, but at least to a certain degree so let's count that In their favour.
Damn! It actually looks good! I would have been sold if it was amd. I guess they chose intel for less problems with windows 11, but still, those cores man!
Liked the info you provided, you even disassembled the laptop to give a better understanding of the components and what can be replaced. Loved it, Thanks 👌🏻
Rare to actually switch out KB only. The whoel top-case is usually replaced. It takes FOREVER to change KB only on the laptops you can. Im a repair tech and i rather have it this way with recycled plastic and change the whole thing than it to become e-waste for not being replacable at all
Acer has an aspire 7 that has very similar specs with a dGPU, that would explain the dual fans. The screen, wifi, I/O all are very similar as well. So this one could be a parts binned laptop which could reduce the cost too
How is a 1.8kg 15" laptop "a bit on the heavy side"? I might be shocked mostly because I remember when 3kg was pretty standard for a 15" laptop, but it seems like 1.8kg seems pretty normal even by today's standards. That sits right in between what the 14" and 16" Macbook Pros weigh (1.61kg and 2.17kg).
When I see this I'm wondering Why it isn't more common ? I mean, pretty cheap, cool looking easily repairable AND not a shitload of screws and other machining things to do. Just tell me why
I think it's because recycling material is actually more expensive to produce with, do the pricing can be difficult. Too cheap, the profit would be slim(compared to regular plastic). To expensive, the laptop would be competing against metal chassis laptop.
partly i think is the lazy design layouting things so it won't interfere with screw placement is not hard but takes effort this goes with making it modular and so forth
Why are you always so amazed at the feature "fingerprint reader wakes laptop"? My 2011 ThinkPad X220 did this. And it carried it to Windows (that is until I installed Linux).
Thanks for the mini teardown at the end... Lots of important details there about their claims of it being repairable. I'm kind of sad this is considered repairable, when the keyboard is a frequent item people want to replace. But it does seem to be on the "more repairable then most now days" side.
I remember when I was a teenager, editing videos on Sony Vegas and thumbnails on Photoshop for RU-vid on a monitor my mam brought home from her job, good ol' 18 inch 1366x768 TN monitor, worked from 2011 to 2016 and was useful again when I used to stream and had it as my spotify/chat monitor
I always wonder when a product has good repairability how easy is it to find and buy the parts. I think i does not matter how good the repairability is if you can not get the parts easily !
Good point at the start there about plasticd not being bad in all cases. What all of this boils down to is that it's best to reduce our consumption than depend om recycling!
Guess they don't plan to sell it in the regions with Cyrillic keyboards, given that cheesy "mirrored R E" gimmick, having two "Я" will get pretty confusing
@@noneyabizz8337 then you got lucky, I have a 62% return rate on Acer devices, I've sold hundreds (begrudgingly). I've kept track after my first year in sales resulted in 19 returns with 22 sold by just me. I have always suggested against it. They would either return it in the 2 weeks with problems, or die within 2 months. Where I couldn't take it back(Not included in the 62%). They are literally the cheapest tech you can buy. I no longer work in retail and the place I'm at now bought 300 2 months before the pandemic, I've filled out 23 RMA forms in the first 2 months, They sat unplugged for 6 months, then have filled out 97 since. Trust me, you're lucky.
@@noneyabizz8337 in all honesty, the acers we're the only data I kept during my retail days because it was that absurd. However, we had to by students laptops for the pandemic for 1 to 1. We bought about 8500, I think we had 12 or 13 damaged in shipping, and the only RMAs I filled out were the 4 on my desk because I bricked them while trying to remotely push a bios update and 2 where the keyboards stoped working. But that's all so far.
DON'T BUY, you'll regret it. I have mine since 10 months and it's already falling appart. All the internal components are good, but the frame is the problem. This 'recycled" material, is was not properly tested. The left side of the hinge that connects the screen, is cracked and the frame that holds the screen is starting to fall apart on the same area. I never dropped it, my screen doesn't even have one scratch.
Would be nice to see this kind of ethos on a truly high end device. I can get by on a mid spec phone and not really care, but when it comes to my laptop, I want features that this just doesn't have.
The real turn-off for me is really the screen quality and the screen wobble. My 3 year old Lenovo Yoga, with its sketchy 360 degree hinge doesn't wobble half as much as this....
Being eco friendly shouldn't be a plus, it should be a standard, and it shouldn't be a selling point... but anything with acer on it to me is subgrade especially for the price point and quality
Yeah, but it's not the standard, so until it becomes the standard we should give them props for it when it is eco friendly, until we get all the companies to do better.
I just upgraded from a 2012 MBP to a 2021 14" M1 Max. using a high quality computer for 9+ years is a lot more eco-friendly than buying something like this that you'll stop using in a few years because you're tired of the floppy, dim screen, limited RAM and CPU, etc.
@@jesusbarrera6916 that's assuming you can actually find parts. good luck sourcing a new motherboard in 5 years for a low-volume device like this which is more likely to have been completely abandoned by the manufacturer technology changes quickly so there isn't an incentive to keep an ever-growing backlog of outdated parts in inventory. if we lived in a world where technology stayed mostly the same for 5+ years I would agree, repairability is much more important that's not to say Apple is innocent here. part of the reason I waited 9 years to upgrade was because of the high failure rates of post-2015 macbook keyboards
@@SeanLinsley true, but you are talking about high impact scenarios, 5 years from now getting a new motherboard from APPLE would be so expensive it would make more sense to just buy a new macbook
I got an IdeaPad 5 for $429 at Costco. It has an 1135g7, 16gb ddr4 3200, decent battery, and good build quality IMO. If you're looking for a budget laptop that doesn't suck I would suggest to look for a sale on that laptop.
Cardboard charger. That's just a Nathan Barley level of 'authenticity is our brand' faffing about. Makes the guys who made a sandpaper cover for their vinyl LP seem positively pragmatic.
