A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush! While Broberg is good and may progressively get better, I think Kulak has been a consistent Dman for the Oilers.
Going to be interesting Tuesday. I also think we are going to see offer sheets become more common over the next few years now as well. Especially if the Blues do end up getting these players. I think if that happens, some owners are going to be telling there GM teams to pursue these options as well.
Let both of those young pups walk. We ask for Connor and Leon to take a discount and then these little punks take the max they can get. I wouldn’t want them in the dressing room after this. LET THEM WALK!!
The issues with broberg are...he asked for a trade last season. He didn't sign any offers the oilers made before the offer sheet. He signed the offer sheet to get away from the oilers. The cost is high. The kulak trade makes the most sense because it also opens up the spot for broberg to play on the correct side, but if you are having to dump ceci and kulak then you are down a starting d man. The price is too high for the pilers right now. St Louis can paybit becasue they have the space. Not only does this cost double what it should for broberg for the next two years but you also have many major re signings to deal with through the course of this contract and every one of them when asked to take a team friendly will just point at brobergs over pay and say, you must respect him a lot more then me or you wouldn't be asking me to take less. This is the biggest problem. Oilers can't afford negative working relationship with the other players...and what if broberg really stinks this year, it will make this situation even worse.
But he really has no power, the Oilers match and he's an Oiler for next season. The Oilers can't trade him regardless of what he wants. If the Oilers match, Broberg best option is to come to camp, have the best season he possibly can and at the end of next season, if he still wants out, then request a trade then. I know there also risk for the Oilers that if he unhappy, he doesn't play well and they have a hard time to trade him at that cap hit next season, but having a bad season also would hurt Broberg too. There should be a mechanism in the CBA, that if a matched player refuses to report or demands a trade after a team matches that they can trade them.
@@rayflojenkins8689 you missed the point of my comment. My point was....they are going to pay a guy who doesn't even want to be there by twice what he should be getting, who hasn't even played a full season in the NHl yet, during the same time period where it is a "cup or bust window"(no extra money to spend on future might works outs), and they are signing some of the most important contracts for the future of the team over the next two years.
@@vincemedak9734 sometimes you have to bite the bullet and protect your investment. They match, he plays this season, if he still wants out they trade him for more than a 2nd rounder next year.
@@vincemedak9734 and it be in Broberg best interest if the Oilers match, if he still wants out, to still play his best cause if he doesn’t he probably be stuck with the Oilers for another year.
The problem with signing them now then figuring it out is that teams will really stick it to them knowing that they absolutely have to do something or they will be over cap and I'm not sure what the penalty is for being over the cap but can't be good. And the idea that the Oilers are just all of the sudden going to win cups is amazing that people keep saying this.
To have a truly successful franchise it is vital to have managers who can see beyond the end of their own noses and this always requires a certain level of patience with certain key players and especially with high end prospects. Besides, the Oilers have an aging team and cannot afford to sacrifice players such as Broberg and Holloway who represent the future. Otherwise, we should fully expect more "ages of darkness" in the future.
How do you figure they have the cap space to sign both players? If Edmonton wants to dump kulak or Ceci they’ll be sending a 1st or 2nd rounder out with them.
I still think they let both go and take the picks! They have depth for now! I realize their cap is thin but it is workable! Broberg and Holloway have a long way to go to be nhl regulars! Stecher will replace Broberg and the replacement for Holloway will most likely be Savoie! Unfortunately the time invested in the 2 players is gone but it is not the end of the world! Opportu ity for someone else is there!
Agreed. A big maybe for matching Broberg, if they think he'll keep up the solid play. And let Holloway go. Everyone's over hyping him, he may pan out but may not. It's a fairly risky move for the Blues.
I think the Oilers will match on both and figure it out before the season starts. The danger of this will be the second year when they have to sign the big stars of the team.
Think about it , who replaced Desharnais in the playoffs ? It was Broberg , there’s a reason why the oilers did not resign Desharnais it’s because the intention was to play Broberg this season .
The Blues have sure created a distraction from Drai’s extension. Tough decisions will be made for the better of the team . Also how the two players will be received in the dressing room if both are kept. Broberg has already wanted out .Thanks for the update.
This is extremely frustrating. I said months ago, Broberg wanted out and we didnt trade him when we had the opportunity. This organization is not going to move forward with guys who are vocalizing they dont want to be here.
There are a group of people out there thinking the way of Keeping Broberg and letting Holloway walk. To me it makes the most sense when it’s so hard to get a top level defencemen. Much easier to replace a player like Holloway. I really like Holloway but understand the math. And yes, Broberg doesn’t seem to want to be an Oiler anyway. Sign him and trade him for value next year.
I'm laughing my ass off at the Oilers. Oilers didn't think it was wrong in 2007 when they gave an offer sheet to Dustin Penner paying him 4.25 million a year. A sum WAY higher than his worth and breaking up the Getzlaf/Perry/Penner line that had just helped the Ducks win the Cup 5 weeks earlier. So suck on it Oiler fans. Karma's a Bitch.
I think we let both go. Broberg spend all season in the AHL tell playoff. Yea he did go but is it 4.4 million good when the oilers are so hard up for cap space?
@@mikecassidy7030 the oilers d system played well. Broberg was just 1 of the group! Thank Paul Coffey! The oilers will be good again without broberg! They played most of last year without him! Besides that broberg wanted a trade and a new start. For that money let him go and use the draft pick! Broberg probably will not be like bouchard!
I agree with Lawton! The Oilers have to keep Phillip Broberg whether Broberg wants to stay or not . Holland, & Jackson have already mismanage these two young players badly in the last 2-3 years so two wrongs don't make a right. I hope they find a way to also keep Holloway. Trading Brett Kulak to the Canucks would be a huge mistake. Kulak is a VG DMan . Why would the Oilers want to make the Canucks a better team? Keep Kulak ,trade Ceci only if they have to. Kane goes on LTIR so he can get a surgery, heal properly and be ready for 2025 playoffs.
This all stems from Oilers management hyper focused on appeasing McDavid and Drai that they forget there are 20 other guys on the team. Broberg and Holloway should have been signed already. Oilers fans complaining that both signed the offer sheets should be complaining about why these guys were not signed already. Can't blame them for looking at options and teams that are interested in having them.
There’s no way we’ll be able to sign Draisaitl and Bouchard next season, I believe one must go, so that may become an option in the dilemma we’re in at the moment. Sad that we may lose both our young defensive prospects in probably less than a year away. Bouchard could fetch a first round pick now rather then have him walk as an RFA next summer and you could bring back Barrie on the PP. that would leave some cash to work with but not enough to sign both Broberg and Holloway. Could trade Bouchard for a pick and have a team take on the extra cash we need to sign both Broberg and Holloway. If we trade Bouchard then at least we get to keep 2 out of the 3 rather than lose all 3. Trading Bouchard probably would solve the problem now and we get better value for all 3 players then lose Holloway and Broberg for peanuts. I say we match the offer and take time to figure it out, there is many options available.
oh I'm not watching till playoffs,cause the team will make it,it's how the games go,for them to win will tell the tale...I'm still hurting true oilers gan
Sry to say this because both players have great future potential, however if these player are so greedy to put themselves ahead of the team goal to be cup contenders I say let them go, both of them. We could maybe grab a PTO or look to our farm team. There's got to be options available! On the other hand I might be totally off and they need to match for 1 or both.
I think Broberg looked like a good veteran player in the playoffs. I think Oilers have mismanaged Broberg. They didn’t give him the chance when he deserved it. They could have had him under contract at 1,7-2,0 million for three year or something like that. What a fumble. Now they have to let him go and watch him prosper. Great work. Now sign Holloway to a contract that is double the cost of what he asked to get. We are watching excellence at work!
It’s crazy to me how little respect Paul Coffey got when he joined the organization. While I’m sure the team knew it took one season to win over the doubtful fans
Still think both should walk. You still have PTO options for forwards and there are NHL caliber defensemen on the market. Sign one cheap and you keep kulak and Ceci. Ekholm Bouchard Nurse Ceci Kulak right shot defensemen. Also can look at Stetcher and Brown for the third pairing D spot.
Uh nurse and Ceci has been one of if not the worse line played in the nhl season. Although they can somewhat hold their one with others when they are together it has nearly ALWAYS resulted in a goal, which is absolutely devadting to think about
The price tag is too high for Broberg for a cap strapped team, I don’t agree that he’s going to be a top 4 D man! Like others are saying he spent his career in the minors that doesn’t jump out as a top D man! The only thing with Holloway his age and speed perhaps another McLeod? Need to see what the kids do in pre season someone needs to challenge for a spot so you get cap space, I bet Perry will enjoy being around young guys and bus rides!
What sucks is i am really big into hockey cards and a lot of my friends have invested decent money into both guys once they leave there cards will tank!
Broberg is gone. Holloway stays. Akey is the long term 2nd Rd and Wanner is 3rd of the future. Take the pick and make sure you make sure you hit on that that pick big time.
Broberg is a left hand shot as are Kulak,Ekholm & Nurse and the latter 3 are much older than he is. So who is in Bakersfield or even Juniors that the Oilers have already drafted that are younger than Broberg to replace them? Do you now see the conundrum the Oilers are in?
@@jonbenjisnomore7935 right now that is true but experienced defence is better for the now! The oilers will have to scour the juniors for up and coming players! They are out there! Time will tell
@@jonbenjisnomore7935 I understand your point of view and it's valid. However,because we are trying to win the cup next year or the year after we punt that down the road. If Broberg was RD it would be a no brainer. Unfortunately he's going to be a casualty and the oilers Gms took these guys for granted.
@@xlv1000-dlw the Oilers have Ben Gleason in Bakersfield & the only other lhd that they had with nhl experience Marcus Niemelainen is a ufa. So they really are up against it imo. They can't let either Broberg or Holloway go because of the age & speed factors as well. Let's face it re-signing Perry & Henrique and signing Josh Brown before re-signing these 2 young players was extremely short sighted & a mistake by Jeff Jackson. Drafting young junior lhd now doesn't help the Oilers now or the near future the Oilers screwed themselves over & now are dependent on waivers & trades. They have to off load some older more expensive veterans so if that means Ceci , Kulak & Kane then they should be actively doing that imo.
@@jonbenjisnomore7935 the oilers need to keep their current defence minus broberg for this year and make it work! Next year is down the road! Who knows maybe the oilers will be able to send a pick to some team for another d body! No need for panic! Broberg played well in the playoffs but it was the d system run by Paul Coffey that made the difference and not broberg. All the d played well! So i think that the oilers can use stopgap defenders for a year or two! It can work. All depends on the cap situation! They will figure it out!
Again, what does Broberg himself say? Is his agent doing all the talking? Is the relationship between him and team really that poisonous? How do we know it's poisonous? Who says? It's all a new deal now. New management group. New way of doing things. New level of communication. And then there is the Paul Coffey factor. So far, Jeff Jackson has, with the exception of the Bowman hiring, waved the magic wand. Let's hope he can keep doing so. Can't see Vancouver doing a trade with us. Sure, they get Kulak, but doing that trade helps us more than it does them because we get to keep two very good young NHL level players both of whom have a lot more long-term potential than Kulak. Do I think Broberg is better than Kulak right now? Yes. If I was Vancouver, I wouldn't do anything to help the Oilers. You never know though. Stranger things have happened. Already miss Ken Holland! I would like to keep Bowman out of this. He's new. He has to prove himself. Let him do so with some issue that's less important to the future of the team.
The oilers defense wasn't good enough last year to win a cup. Ceci was terrible all season, played better in the playoffs. Kulak is a playoff guy, but his stats were terrible last year, and both of those guys are down trending as they're past their prime now. We absolutely cannot give up Broberg, a guy we drafted top ten and broke out in a big way in the playoffs. Was our 3rd best D in playoffs. Ceci and Kulak are easily replaceable and Broberg is not. There is a reason so many teams want Broberg.
This is so not complicated. Trade Ceci. Put Kane on LTIR for most of the season. Retain Holloway and Broberg. Maybe add Tyson Barrie if short of defenseman. Make a move later in the season to make cap room if required.
And they will get a healthy Kane back in line up that will only help oilers let the two go they already signed to me they don't care if they go if they were thinking of team they wouldn't have signed to put oilers in worse place
Is it allowed to make a deal with a last placed team during the season (that has first choice on the waiver wire) ? Whoever the last placed team is at different months of the season may offer more than a 3rd rock pick for Dylan Holloway to save their season. He could be tossed on waivers after an agreed transaction is approved.
@@michaeldrazen1039 yeah, everyone is aware of that. but could they expose them on waivers to facilitate a transaction? Like let’s say the Bluejackets are last place after week 3 of the season. Oilers trade a 7th round pick for an asset worthy of Holloway and a pic. A trade not involving Holloway happens. Then Holloway goes on waivers. Blue jackets grab him. Not a ‘trade’ but taking advantage of a the waiver wire to move a contract for a better return than the offer sheet.
