Elaine Pagels on the Misuse of Revelation in Politics and the Church 

What a privilege to listen to this discussion--grateful to you both for sharing your insights! 💜

I appreciate this discourse especially since I have recently engaged in the Study of this book. Thanks for providing the insights.

Oooh this was SO helpful!!! Thank you!!!

Thank you, a useful insight and discussion into this 'Christian' text. As always Pagels gives a balanced view.

IF YOU ARE BORN-AGAIN IN THE HOLY SPIRIT YOU PRAY BEFORE YOU READ THE BIBLE AND ASK FOR UNDERSTANDING AND IT WORKS

The kingdom of God is not a place in the sky nor is it a future happening. The kingdom of God is NOW and its in you or among you as Jesus said.

REVELATION IS A EXCITING BOOK WITH A GREAT END

Revelation really does bring out the nasty side of the faithful who actually want to see unbelievers slaughtered and sent to hell. But then again god does talk about his anger and wrath constantly. It would seem to be true that the faithful apples don’t fall too far from the godly tree.

Cue all the crazy people sayin the “rapture” is right around the corner!! 🤦‍♂️

Understanding needs to come from within the Bible itself. It is not a prediction of the future. It is another statement on his two appearances, within the same generation, which are the sacrifice and resurrection depicted or portrayed in the crucifixion. Jesus comes as a thief in the night; only to slaughter, pillage, and destroy; come and gone before you awake. Then, when they awake, the kings of the earth gather at the site called Armageddon - apparently, to beat their swords into plowshares. Now if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterwards of another day. (Heb 4:8 NABO) Walls of Jericho - Scroll with seven seals Six marches over six days - The first six seals Seventh day, seven marches - Seventh seal with seven trumpets Seven priests given seven horns - Seven trumpets Silent before the shout - Silence in heaven On the seventh march the horns sound, they shout, and Jericho is given to them - At the seventh trumpet, there were loud voices in heaven saying the kingdom of the world belongs to the Lord. -------------------------------------------------------------- You need to speak Dragon. Then I saw another beast come up out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb's but spoke like a dragon. (Rev 13:11 NABO) There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished! (Luk 12:50 NABO) I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing! (Luk 12:49 NABO) it is better to marry than to be on fire (1Co 7:9 NABO) For by my wrath a fire is enkindled that shall rage to the depths of the nether world (Deu 32:22 NABO) Warning of the impending Day of the Lord, he was swallowed by the Beast out of the Sea and spewed out upon the shore as the Beast out of the Earth, as the sun beat down upon his head and a burning east wind began the Way of the Lord in the Desert. The way of the Lord in the desert needs to be put into context with the previous passage: (Joshua) The First Beast - Day of the Lord - Sacrifice - Indeed, she has received from the hand of the LORD double for all her sins. (Moses) The Second Beast - Way of the Lord - Resurrection - Make straight in the wasteland a highway for our God! (Isa 40:2-3 NABO) Just as it is appointed that human beings die - be judged - appear a second time, (so also Christ) Heb 9:27-28 …as the (Red) Dragon (Demon Sin) stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. (Rev 12:4 NABO) the one who is and who was and who is to come, the almighty (Rev 1:8 NABO) The beast that you saw existed once but now exists no longer. It will come up from the abyss and is headed for destruction. (Rev 17:8 NABO) We saw his star (of Bethlehem) at its rising (Mat 2:2 NABO) up from the abyss (Rev 17:8 NABO) The star was called "Wormwood” (Rev 8:11 NABO) It was given the key for the passage to the abyss. (Rev 9:1 NABO) I hold the keys to death and the netherworld. (Rev 1:18 NABO) the bars of the nether world (Abyss) were closing behind me forever (Jon 2:7 NABO) Who will go down into the abyss?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead) (Rom 10:7 NABO) As the Lawless One, with all the power, signs, and wonders at the disposal of falsehood, and seeming to be a part of the workings of Satan, 2Thess 2:9-11, he leads them astray, as if with a bridle in the jaw of the people, on the day of the great slaughter, Is 30:25-28, having been given the power and rule, along with great authority of The Dragon as the First Beast/ Red Dragon, Rv 13:2, with seven heads and ten horns, Rv 12:3. Just as it is appointed that human beings die - be judged - appear a second time, (so also Christ) Heb 9:27-28 …as the (Red) Dragon (Demon Sin) stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. (Rev 12:4 NABO) And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord (Jesus) will kill with the breath of his mouth and render powerless by the manifestation of his coming, (2Th 2:8 NABO) when he rises against the prince of princes, he shall be broken without a hand being raised. (Dan 8:25 NABO) If you do well, you can hold up your head; but if not, sin is a demon lurking at the door: his urge is toward you, yet you can be his master (Gen 4:7 NABO) Who, robed in splendor, judges nations, crushes heads across the wide earth, Who drinks from the brook by the wayside and thus holds high the head. (Psa 110:6-7 NABO) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Adam was without sin. The sin of Adam is prophetic of the sacrifice, when he wields the fiery sword guarding the way to the Tree of Life on the day of vengeance AS judgment, setting up the abomination of desolation in him, as the Temple without one stone left standing upon another. By his sacrifice, he justifies David when he speaks and, at his resurrection, he vindicates him in his sentence. The hand of (Yahweh/ David) is not too short to save, nor his ear too dull to hear. (Isa 59:1 NABO) David is the Light of the world and the Son of David is the Lamp of the Light of the Father.

I AM GLAD ELAINE IS NOT TEACHING ME THE BIBLE BECAUSE SHE KNOWS VERY VERY LITTLE ABOUT THE BIBLE

Pretend...? Razor Sharp Two Edged Sword of Truth.... There are at least 3 levels of Truth in the Words. Patmos. Who judges and makes War? How does he win? The Truth slays. Angels enforce. ........ Left Behind.... Lol. The Tares are taken first.

Elaine may translate and study scripture, but she does not understand it This is sad how ignorant she is Scripture describes the battle between the Mind's desires to experience the physical world and the Soul's desire to return to GOD Why is it that only the Hindus understand this?

YOU NEED TO READ THE OLD TESTAMENT TO UNDERSTAND THE NEW TESTAMENT- REVELATION IS GOING TO HAPPEN WE ARE ALMOST ON THE DOORSTEP

Your constant A.ha , hum , yeah ect... makes this the worst interview of the Pagels p.h.d

I could listen to Dr. Pagels all day. Great interview and discussion!