Why is the Book of Revelation in the Bible? 

You're not alone my friend, was raised in a 'born again' cult in SoCal. Oh that religious folk would awaken to the mythology and nonsense of the literal bible.

@@steveng8727 Yep me too. Raised in a strict Southern Baptist cult with a big picture of Jesus starring down at us from the main hall. I’m an old man now happy and free from this ANE tribal patriarchal apocalyptic cult (aka fundie Christianity)but it also took me decades to process.

Southern Baptist Apostate here. I still remember the Revelation nightmares vividly. I was so depressed I almost took my life. Now, my son enjoys a religion free upbringing. Amen? 😆

Yep, you're not alone, much respect to you guys! The wrestle with indoctrination is real. And I agree, F Guilt, haha

(also she’s a babe)

She is Woke!

@@hassanmirza2392 Do you know exactly what the term "woke" means? I find that it is just a very simple way for lazy thinkers to insult someone.

@@petergaskin1811 Read Quran bro!

@@hassanmirza2392 And you be slope?

I deed. Nowdays you have to look through all the junk to find any educational content.

It's the Internet that makes Dr Bart and Dr Megan available. They are wonderful personable communicators and I learn a fantastic amount listening to their conversations. 🙂🙂

That's what you find bizarre? Not the talking snake on page 1? Ok man whatever lol brilliant bright boy

@@davidleedougherty6478there was literally zero reason for u to be rude and even mention that

@@davidleedougherty6478 the imagery of the talking snake is ambiguous enough for us to appreciate at myriad levels.

Nothing like scaring the wool off of sheep.

@@chucktaylor4958 "If God had not meant for them to be sheared, he would not have made them sheep." --Calvera, The Magnificent Seven

jews have a stronger dislike for Christians, but are not very vocal publicly only between themselves, although Islam have a dislike for christianity they exercise their dominance by mocking them or physical violence. But i know what you mean when you say we are judgemental, i have the same experience between my own brethren, and i don't agree with them in that aspect.

Very accuate assesment

Revelation is the best book in the Bible . Though you need to realise the dark interpretation . The way Revelation is specifically worded you can interpret the villains as winning and the Christians losing. Which is honestly the much more satisfying conclusion to the Bible. It: • Has a cool message of the need to pay attention to what is being said • Punishes the Christians for their constant speaking over the Bible and God • Completes all the major unanswered questions • Has all the main characters complete their story arcs • Is actually realistic, removing all the dumb, annoying hopes Much literary merit.

Same issue with Theravada texts.

The short answer is that the Bible, which a lot of American Christians don’t really actively read, has been wildly distorted and used as a politically-motivated tool.

You’ve actually got it backwards. There is no eternal torment in the OT. No Hell or Satan-as-God’s-Eternal-Enemy, either. These are are NT motifs.

@@skepticus5705 You're correct, but I think I get Robert's point: the OT God comes across as a pretty vengeful, scary SOB; accurately or not, recent interpretations of the NT tend to see God as more benign.

@@lawsonj39 I see no persuasive reasons or evidences to suggest the existence of any god:scary, benign or indifferent. But, pray tell, how can you rationally interpret the NT in such a way as to put a positive face on a deity that creates a sadistic torture chamber?

Church is not a building

I was more thinking of general attitudes. The Old Testament gives us an eye for an eye, etc. There’s the story of Aaron’s sons who mess up in the temple and are burned alive. NT gives us turn the other cheek. But in general I was thinking of the way Christians live in two worlds, especially those of us in the reformed tradition. We are sinners saved by grace, a grace that is neither earned nor deserved. Then I see Christians liking a Facebook meme about a doctor supposedly having bad experiences with patients who receive financial support for their care. How is it that Christians who have received grace they neither deserve nor earned hate on others in need. Except, look at the parable of the man whose debts are forgiven by a king, then throws one of his debtors in jail. So, in the same way, we want NT forgiveness for ourselves, a gift disproportionate to what we deserve, but we want other to get what they deserve.

Wait, Megan is a believer?

@@bigtombowski Episcopalian I believe

I don't think Bart is a Christian anymore.

As Bart points out, Revelation was considered either fringe or an allegorical telling of the present kingdom of Chris for the vast majority of its history. It's only been used as a cudgel since the 19th century.

10:26 10:28 ​@@andrelegeant88

Revelation 10 is 9 11. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5asj_4jHNuE.htmlsi=qG6OCt1GjanlOn7v

You do know he’s an atheist right?

​@@tsb3093It's God's will.

Faith is ignorant whether informed or uninformed

I am an agnostic! Not because I am an ‘atheist without balls’, but because I realise that I cannot say with certainty that there is no god. However, I can say for certain that if there is a god it is not the vile, foul, obscene god of the Jews, Christians and Muslims!! A god totally obsessed with the pursuit of his own glorification and the punishment of weak mortals, mortals mislead by the stories which he allowed men to write in his name! A vindictive, bullying, childish, megalomaniac! The Abrahamic books and religions are an insult to god (if he exists). * Agnostic; from Ancient Greek ἀ- (a-) 'without', and γνῶσις (gnōsis) 'knowledge') ‘One without the knowledge.’

Revelation 10 is 9 11. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5asj_4jHNuE.htmlsi=qG6OCt1GjanlOn7v

That powerful imaginative language in the book of revelations is written that way by the true God to keep people out who do not deserve to know. The same is true regarding the book of Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, the four gospels with their illustrations and metaphors and other Hebrew scriptures. If people understood that powerful imaginative language, they would a find a powerful message hidden in them about God's will, his purpose for mankind and how to survive his wrath. To most people on this planet the bible is a fairytale and will be nothing else.

​@@ronhansen8471 So why was it written in a language nobody in the area could read, Classical Greek?

@@newnoggin2 Koine Greek

@@ronhansen8471 sure, doesn't help your case any still

​​@@ronhansen8471 This kind of comment is why the modern world is full of people who can't stand Christians. Do you even hear yourself?

"Un-new-borning". Well done. 😎

I think that's actually called "De-Borning".

Just shows how really IGNORANT he is .

Less nervous (?) laughter, that's good, increases professorial gravitas

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One time is not overdoing it, but if you want me to be endeared to you, you win!

Armageddon refers to the fortified town that housed military forces which protected the trade routes from the east. In general it is exactly the situation that is occurring now this time in history regarding energy and commodities and minerals. Supply chains are vulnerable. Faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word, a Rhema, of God. With the heart one believes unto righteousness and with the mouth one believes unto salvation. Fully believe in the heart and then speak out those thoughts that are revelation and a deeper experience will be discovered especially while fasting. Separate from unbelief including family while actively seeking.

@@allanvrc725 What in the ever loving Sheol are you on about?? You are telling people to separate from their family members who are stuck (it ain’t stuck at all) in “unbelief?” No one wants to hear some nut job screaming in public about Armageddon and the apocalypse and all that nonsense. If the mouth leads to salvation, can the mount also lead to damnation? Because if so where do I sign up to be damned for eternity? I’ll just go ahead and mark my place in line. There’s no want in Sheol I’m doing anything that could jeopardize my eternal soul and risk going to heaven with fundamentalist doofuses like you. That sounds absolutely horrific in every way. However intermittent fasting IS good for your health, so I support the fasting part in a sense.

@@GoZags43 Everyone is caught up in a state of mind that is induced through life experience. Each person empowers a self belief and it is detrimental to any peaceful solution and generally leads to conflict. The mind is below par and directs a person into poor outcomes. If there is an opportunity to step back a little everything appears as a psycho drama and it has been stated that it seems everyone is living in the mental asylum. There is a way to redirect the mind's focus. There are self help gurus who use similar methods to help people have more financially successful lives. The scriptures are revealing that with discipleship the mind and belief can be adjusted toward Eternal life, which is immortality. Christians talk about an "after life" and living in heaven but it is not scriptural. The dead go into the grave and will later be resurrected therefore it is a "here after" on a new heaven and a new earth. When studying the atom it becomes obvious that every thing is held at a certain energy level with space and energy fields giving the volume. We all live in an image much like a plasma TV. Everyone is trapped in a biology that is then influenced by a degeneration, a decay of the planet that produces oxidizing at the cellular level and this brings aging and final death. The words you are writing and probably speaking and believing are reinforcing where your mind and belief is and there will be no change. To change the mind and belief's perspective from own self is difficult and not many will try it. My experience was inadvertent and not being sought but it is no less real. The topic is "why is the book of revelation in the Bible?" Have you listened to the video? The scripture states it is to show his servants things that are about to take place.

People who ridicule faith want you to think that faith is baseless. Hebrews 11:1 is the typical verse used to define faith. In the variety of English translations, it can be interpreted loosely in various ways. I like using Bible Hub to compare the various translations against one another and against the original Greek, and to compare the Greek words used to the way they are used in other scriptures to get a clearer picture of the range of possible meanings. In this verse, the predicate nominatives equating to "faith" are "hypostasis" and "elenchon" in Greek. Hypostasis is commonly used to refer to an underlying substance or reality. "Substance" is practically just a Latinized way of saying "hypostasis". An alternative translation, "assurance," implies an underlying support. Unfortunately, it can be taken to refer to the feeling of assurance or confidence rather than the reason for it. Clearly not what the author intended. "Elenchon" refers to evidence, proof, or conviction as in court. Theologians argue that true faith cannot contradict reason. In this verse, faith itself is the reason for hope, and the proof of things unseen. Faith is not only consistent with reason, it is reason. Not the opposite of reason.

Faith is irrational it doesn't make sense. IOW nonsense.

The force has a great influence over the weak minded. Obiwan Kenobi. 😁

@@hackman669 and the strong minded control the force. Herman Neutics 💪🤣

Thank you.

Do you understand what Gnostics believed? Nothing about Revelation is Gnostic.

But when was Luther? We've learned nothing...? Because Luther had such penetrating ideas?

Did they have magic mushrooms available for consumption to those who wrote (transcribed) the books included in the bible per chance?

​@@frankforsyth3978Yes and other drugs.

​@@frankforsyth3978plants existed before humans according to the Bible, so yes.

@monkmchorning .. and there's your problem - Sunday school never taught anyone about Christianity and the true 'gospel' that Jesus taught - not even close. You are proof of this.

​@@Chris_Sheridan he read the gospels first hand for himself.. he isn't convinced it's the word of God or accurate history... Get over it

@@stussysinglet .. Lol! So what? He's still wrong. > and you don't know any better because you haven't studied or researched either - you're both as ignorant as each other.

@@stussysinglet P.S > you have to read further to get proper understanding - the book of 'Acts of the Apostles' and also Paul's letter to the Philippians .. and then some. You'd never make a scientist or proper researcher - too lazy!

@@Chris_Sheridan sorry, but I'm not "proof" of anything.

The Hebrew Bible was already canonized by the Jewish Community 200 years before the Church only began to decide which books were going to be part of the Xian bible. The Hebrew Bible is divided into three parts.. Torah, Prophets and Writings.. the "Writing" section was finally codified by 120 CE, right before the Bar Kochva Rebellion. Which is WHY the order of the books of the Tanach (Hebrew bible) is one way and the xian one is purposely re-ordered.

@@creativewriter3887 Protestant bibles use something called the Masoretic text and refer to it as the Hebrew canon. Masoretes were a group in the 7th to 9th centuries AD. This obviously cannot be the same canon you are referring to. Can you help me figure out what canonization means in a Hebrew context and what the Masoretic text has to do with it?

@@thereaction18 No they do not. "Masor" means "tradition" and there never was a group called the Masorites".. that's a xian MYTH. The Sages did use the Masoretic text (which included the vowels.. Traditional Torah scrolls, even today do not contain any vowels) because with the bulk of the Jewis living OUTSIDE of Israel, many of whom were now forbidden to learn Torah, so they could at least READ it. The Protestant bibles never had Jewish input.. especially the King James. Why? Because the Jews were expelled from England in 1300 and weren't allowed back into England until just prior to King James' ascent to the throne. NONE of the xian bibles are true to the Hebrew Bible EXCEPT the Jerusalem Bible which is pretty close!

@@creativewriter3887 I appreciate your answer. I wasn't expecting Wikipedia to present a Christian myth as a fact. Of the many ways they tend to be wrong, that would be the one to catch me off guard.

@@thereaction18 And I was harsh in my response to you and I apologize. I initially thought you were one of those xians who promulgate this "Masorites" concept. So again I apologize. Protestant xians (especially Evangelicals and fundamentalists) always want some "linkage" to the Hebrew Scriptures or Jews because they think it will add "credibility" to BOTH their claims and their bible.. in reality it does not and it shows. So they tend to be pretty slimy and deceptive in their narrative. It's ironic that they trust the Jews when it comes to the canonization of the Hebrew Scriptures and the books of that bible (which happened in three phases), but then go on to say that the Jews "got it wrong" in terms of its message and vision. Isn't it just "special and convenient" (to borrow from the SNL Church Lady).

Heels are better than the trust-fun masters of the universe that go to Duke!

Same

@@fieldsleeper Thank you for the feedback. I was a bit perplexed by not seeing more people mention that

It is because there is some alignment with world events as they unfold. It probably is not a terrorist mentality. Eventually God's will is going to be done on earth as it is in heaven. A new heaven and a new earth bringing peace and plenty.

I totally agree. This life can get brutal,and people sometimes ache for an ethical way out. I think that impulse is behind the suicide bomber,even though the great majority of Muslims do not believe it is ethical.

They're hoping Jesus will return in 2024 and rescue them from their unhappy lives. Seriously.

Well, you need to understand it as the original hearers were supposed to understand it. As a divorce writ to Israel under the Mosiac Covenant.

What damaging laws?

​@@henrybarrick7205 No sex before marrige, anti abortion, anti contraception, anti divorce, anti gay rights, blasphemy laws prevent freedom of speech and thought. Not as bad as it was a 50 years or a century ago.

@@colincampbell4261 In addition to respecting our creator, all of the laws you listed were created to support the life and well being of people not damage them. It is twisted to consider killing babies, having kids without a family, blashpheming God, and fornication in a positive light. Im not sure of any rights that gays dont have. Where does the bible condemn contraceptives? Your way off base.

Rev 11:6

Is there any similarity with these two capitalised phrases : THE TWO WITNESSES TWO WITNESSES.. . The old testament term was used as a meand to determine that which was legally acceptable in establishing truth. The reference made In revelation a deliberate direction to take that principle and adhere to it at this time ! Jehovahs witnesses have taken this stance, and its proven controversial in cases of child sex abuse . These tragic incidences are certainly not isolated to Jehovahs witnesses..but perhaps elicit more publicity because of the way they hold to the two witnesses principle. . Is it possible that God has chosen to utilise this controversy to gather or engage opposition against his representatives..the two witnesses ? In fact, interestingly..objectively speaking, in courts , the watchtower society have been charged fines , thousands of dollars daily until they had over lists of ALLEGED child molesters which congregation elders have recorded to hold until a second witness reports the individual alleged , at which point the pervert is cast out of the congregation.. disfellowshipped. Either destroying the records or refusing to hand those records over , it made me think that perhaps the Governing body of Jehovshs witnesses fit the profile of the man of lawlessness. However, back to the court fines : In effect..the jw ,s have paid for that title ..financially at courts and in reputation. .. The two witnesses

Check out the Jefferson Bible. Thomas Jefferson compiled it with the same intent in mind. Of course it should actually refer to the literature of the Bible since little is known about the historical Jesus.

There is NO common ground with the deluded!

If the “predominant religion [of YOUR] culture” is Christianity, you already have common ground. You were raised with common ground. You ARE Christian-in the only sense that has any real significance. Your personal beliefs about God are not especially relevant.

@@jeffryphillipsburns I disagree, I was born into a Protestant Christian family, in a Christian country. I went to Sunday school and church until 15years of age, I renounced all religious nonsense at the age of 12. Since then I have studied comparative religion for over 60 years and can tell you categorically that I have nothing in common with religionists, I despise their laziness, gullibility and naivety! Common sense would dictate that one researches your belief before you commit! And NO religion stands up to academic scrutiny!

@@venenareligioest410, the intent here is to find common ground which you say you refuse to do. That’s not about the weak claims of religion; that’s about you.

At his time, North Africa had some of the largest churches, and Augustine was bishop at Hippo. He wrote many large books, which were widely read. His interpretation of Revelation isn’t necessarily an influence on the church of his day, as much as it is a reflection of what people believed. It’s only through the modern hype of fortune-telling that his teachings seen odd. The church liked to think of themselves as the heroes (and victims) of Revelation. Augustine fed that bias.

He actually had a moderating influence somewhat he took Millennium to be symbolic and Christian’s no longer thought Christ was coming at any moment. The rapture teachings today are partly a rejection of the church being in the milinium and the rejection of the symbolic for a literal.

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The Apocalypse was questionable particularly in the East were it was never or seldom read in the Liturgy which was the main reason for canonization. Since North African councils Hippo and Carthage had great influence and the Bishop there named Augustine favored it so it was included

🤨 what??..what did they exactly say?

@masque so I think the idea is that in heaven, all the time, the sacrifice of the mass is being celebrated. When we have mass on earth, heaven opens up, and angels touch the altar to join our sacrificial mass prayer with those in heaven. It's invisible tho. Then the book of revelation is an apocalyptic mass or something. Different parts of the sacrifice in revelation are supposed to match with the eucharistic sacrifice. I was not taught this in the more progressive mainstream parochial school, but later in the rad trad homeschooling circles. It's out there on the interwebs, I'm sure.

@Christine Alyse that sounds right!

The entire liturgy of the Mass is found in Revelation. Simple example: Jesus' primary title in the Mass, "Lamb of God," is his title in Revelation, referred to as such around thirty times. Had you never attended a Mass you could probably put the liturgy together just from Revelation.

I didn’t watched this and I am sure it was good, but was it seems the Bible teaches we were created to be doomed. I just try to believe in a loving creator who wants me to be free, have a good code of ethics, be kind and enjoy the gift of this beautiful blue green planet. Also I know I cannot begin to understand this infinite massive universe and all the whys of things.

Some of it is about to be fulfilled.

@@allanvrc725 I can’t wait! I’ll pop some popcorn. When does Lucifer show up? I would love to hang out and have a few beers with him.

@@GoZags43 What is influencing the minds of our leaders to build nuclear weaponry, where does corruption come from. Humans who are self indulgent and instigators will pay with their lives and they will take many others with them. Destruction will come but peace follows.

Was a JW for 44 years, and can verify this thinking....terrifying really.

Absolutely. It's all equally interesting as literature.

The band Genesis has a great song based on revelation

@@nosuchthing8 which one?

Interesting observation. Perhaps it was written to be sung rather than read. Which version did you sing from? KJV? That has a particular melodic style. It's passed through the filters from Greek to Latin to English in our translations. This might result in some language to accommodate the English translation. More recent translations go back to the original written text and straight to English.

@@nosuchthing8 Supper’s Ready probably as the end is certainly apocalyptic, referencing the antichrist and the supper of the Lamb.

The OG Little Shop Of Horrors.

I take joy in learning and discovering new points of view.

Knowledge leads to understanding . Which leads to power. 😆

Is that what they building in Dubai. 😃

Very good. Your path to the Darksde is nearly complete. 😃

I think Bart said that the emperor Constintine didn't worry about the trivialities (and as far as I have read, that's probably true), but the city and population of Constantinople were definitely consumed with splitting doctrinal hairs (they spent a few centuries going back and forth over using icons)

There is definitely not a requirement of drugs to be involved in revelation. Drugs will actually be a barrier because they reinforce the aspects in the self with a belief system that has developed in a biological and genetically constructed human. Fasting over time is usually necessary and this releases the mind from the biological influence while refocusing belief and spoken words toward God.

It’s orbits of the planets are the rings within rings. Many eyes are the stars.

It wasn’t LSD. It was schizophrenia.

@@allanvrc725 Certainly not a requirement, but it seems very, very plausible. Again, I think is just shouldn't be flat out dismissed. There is a lot of research about psychedelics, and many of the descriptions line up with universally common visions to someone with imagery of multiple eyes and faces, easily applicable toward research about the effects of morning glory seeds. I doubt the author of Revelation wrote it all during their actual experience, but likely reinterpreted their visions through their Christian outlook and view of Rome as an immoral and unjust government. How much your average New Testament scholar looks into the research on psychedelics could be a problem if they aren't even considering it for these kinds of passages.

@@jeffryphillipsburns Why do you think that? I'm not that familiar with the research on schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder, but the description of the angels is very hard to ignore in comparison to visions experienced on something like morning glory seeds.

You poor darling.

Si Rev is not in Orthodox church. A wise move indeed. 👌

It is true according to a certain point of view.