Elden Divers - New Patch Balance Discussion w/ OhDough, Maplewood, ThiccFilA, CrazyMrPipz 

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Petition for devs to show their tier 7/8/9/10 gameplay and justify weapon nerfs before making any changes.

“Heavy pen sniper would be cool” That’s what the ANTI MATERIAL RIFLE should be

They could make the guns good and crank up the difficulty with spawn rate adjustments and what types of enemies spawn But instead they just neuter every gun so they feel unimpactful then gaslight you

"Imagine mowing down a crowd of Terminids and running out of ammo with, by some miracle, only one bug remaining, no time to reload so it must be a fast and dangerous enemy you can't just melee to death with the melee damage boost from this Warbond and you can't just run from it, so you dive backwards and throw your Impact Grenade right at i- er, sorry, you throw a hunting knife into its carapace right before it descends on you, bursting its guts in a glorious explosi- what do you mean 'it's the one throwable with no AOE'? Uh, alright then, you just pierce straight through into it and it collapses to ground gloriousl- what do you mean 'one of these doesn't kill a Hunter?' fine then, you quickly throw another one and- miss because it's misaligned with the crosshair and has no blast radius to compensate? Okay fine you throw one more and finally take it out, wishing you had any other on-impact throwable." - That post about the Throwing Knife, if it was accurate(unlike the knife).

OhDough is absolutely on the mark: antitank should deal with tank-type enemies as a hard counter. The Spear at the very least should always oneshot anything smaller than a Factory Strider (yes that includes Bile Titans and Impalers). No more "pray you hit the weakpoint" bullcrap; it's modeled after the IRL Javelin that disables/destroys MBTs in a single shot, and nothing in HD2 except maybe the Factory Strider is more heavily armored than an MBT.

Helldiver's rockets: Blast radius so small you can headshot a charger at arm's reach. Bots' rockets: BTFO.

This is a good mix of creators for this pod! Please bring more episodes soon.

Right now it seems like they're confusing difficulty with Tedium

If Arrowhead wants to be Fromsoft, begin with the basics: Hidetaka Miyazaki can beat all of the games he made, Arrowhead should learn to do that as well.

I used to really disagree with dough about the whole weapon balancing of the game, but now, ESPECIALLY after the new update, I realize he’s 100% right about all of it. Lowkey wish arrowheads would have a conversation with helldivers RU-vidrs and actually get good community input

I just want to not flinch and get constantly ragdolled at all times when on heavy armor, man. That and make the damm bots chill with the dropships.

Sees OhDough: “Oh boy this is going to be interesting”

The part where OhDough talks about resupply really worries me because by nerfing the ammo capacity of the weapons (which is totally bs), we'll see more and more players who will use resupply just for themselves and this will lead to everyone taking the resupply backpack all the time or taking weapons with infinite ammo. And this is way worse than just a meta because it directly impacts the comfort of the player.

Alexus Kravchenko from Hello Neighbor 2 is working on Helldivers 2. RED FLAG.

The problem with the flamethrower charger damage nerf is that there IS NO OTHER support weapon in the game that can deal with 5+ charger behemoths at close range. The rest of the anti-armor weapons are designed to work at medium or long range. You cannot even finish your reload when you have chargers on you. And all your stratagems have a hard rate limit for how many chargers they can actually kill. Overpowered or no, dealing with excessive charger overrun was a ROLE that the flamethrower filled, and kept your team from just being run over endlessly. Now everyone is forced to bring anti-armor instead of the (IMO) more fun horde clearing weapons. Edit: Another possible solution to charger spam is being able to team reload a recoilless or spear user with their own backpack.

One point I want to address is that I feel like many nerfs have been easy solutions to bugs that have been in the game. Railgun/ark trower nerf(been killing bile titans to fast because of the crossplay bug). Errupter nerf( could one shot a charger because the leg bug. Oneshot teammates because of a reflektion bug) Flame trower( they most likely didn't want to deal with changing the coding of the new flame trowers. So they just adjusted the support weapon to the primary weapon) If you know more examples of this. Please add them here. I would love to see this hunch. ^^

I think ThiccFilA hit it in their own video. The developers are pursuing a vision, but the vision they're pursuing is not the reality of the game nor is it what players want or what made it so successful. If you look back at some of the more defensive comments ('A game for everyone is a game for no one') this makes sense. I believe that the intention is that the satire shine through - the developers want to lampshade the notion of power, of jingoistic braggadicio. When a helldiver screams FOR SUPER EAAARRTHHH it's keyed to how long you've been holding down the fire button, not the impact that you're having. It's supposed to be a JOKE, the juxtaposition of the Super Earthian ego and the reality of them getting shellacked in a war and only winning by pouring more bodies onto the problem. The whole process of individually freezing and unfreezing helldivers is meant to conceal from them and the public just how expendable they are, and how not-special they are. The problem is, Art Pieces rarely make for fun games. People flocked to this game because they ACCIDENTALLY stumbled upon a real power fantasy, and Arrowhead unintentionally hit an untapped zeitgeist. Before this, most horde shooters were about being tacticool and sweaty and emphasizing your vulnerability - which seems to be what Arrowhead WANTS. But instead people found a game where THEY are the raid boss.

I get a good laugh out of being ragdolled, but on 8 and above it's a whole different thing. The frequency of rockets is so high you may actually be tossed around for a good 30-40 seconds if you can survive that long, and it can happen any time, from around cover.

An interesting counter to ragdolls would be to let players "tech" the impact like in fighting games: if I time my space bar input on a specific window when I hit the ground, I can push myself up instantly. like catching your own fall

Some people before they left the game tried to tell you what was gonna happen.

Forget balance, devs need to focus on making the game playable. Too many crashes, objectives glitched, failed extracts when you successfully extract.

OhDough’s channel has really evolved in the best of ways. His critiques of HD2 were always on point, but as he said, his deliveries weren’t always on point, turning some people off. Even back then, I got past that, just because his discussions have always been extremely correct, but with his new attitude, dude’s channel deserves to explode.

I usually play difficulty level 7 because it requires skill but isn’t so hard that it makes it unfun. The difficulty of level 7 now feels like level 9 pre-release.

An adjustment to after when you get Rag- dolled could be press a button to get back up to your feet but press no input and your character stays in prone position. This would help to avoid the next salvo.

Once upon a time, there was a small restaurant that offer spicy foods. Even though the food was spicy, it also have levels of spicy and home-made drinks to help with the heat so different people can enjoy it. The food was beautifully presented, the staff was warm and welcoming, and the prices were reasonable. As word spread, the restaurant's popularity skyrocketed, eventually overwhelming its capacity. The owner, recognizing this, asked people to return later, promising that they would hire more staff to accommodate the growing crowd. However, the restaurant's design presented some challenges. It had been crafted by an interior designer who had since retired, leaving behind some quirks that were difficult to fix. One of the main issues was the tables, which were small and permanently nailed to the floor. This made the plates on top are easy to topple over, making it a challenge to enjoy the meal without fearing an accidental spill. As the restaurant continued to evolve, the chef made a controversial decision: to increase the spiciness of every dish and reduce the sweetness of home-made drinks. The levels of spiciness that had once enjoyed a wide range of customers were now so intense that even the most seasoned spice-lovers found themselves overwhelmed. To complicate matters further, the restaurant’s parent company decided that only residents of the town could dine there. They implemented a rule requiring customers to register for the company’s membership before they could eat at the restaurant. This decision was met with immediate backlash. Thousands of negative reviews flooded Yelp and Google Maps. The uproar forced the company to retract the policy, but the damage was done; many potential customers were still shut out or had lost interest altogether. Adding to the turmoil, the chef admitted in an interview that they had never actually tasted the highest level of spiciness themselves-only the medium levels. They explained that they weren’t particularly fond of spicy food, so they believed adding more spice would create a "balanced" experience. After getting lots of feedbacks from the customers. In response to the growing discontent, the new owner acknowledged that they may have overstepped with the increased heat in the dishes and the reduction in sweetness of the homemade drinks meant to counteract it. So for some time they changed the recipe of the home-made drinks so that much better to refresh the palate. And after a long break, the restaurant announced a big update with the current menu, and adding a higher level of spice. The customers was hyped about it as they want to try more things as the menu have not been updated for awhile. When the date finally came, instead of the new offers of the menu, they are disappointed as the best-selling drink are now serve in much smaller size, and that the incoming drinks are now serve without ice/ or cold. Many the customers are upset that they feedback are one again ignored. The owner justified that because of the 30% of the order is the best-selling drinks, so they want the customer to try more items, that why they reduce the portion size, thinking it will encourage people to try something new. He also said that the chef is disappointed that they put a lot of work on the new items in the menu and all people talk about is the smaller portion of a drink or in facts that drinks are now not come with ice anymore. The regular customers are now arguing with each other, some wanted to defend the restaurant, while others are no longer interested as their voices are ignored.

Having all these guys in one place is like Christmas! Thanks for the content my dudes :)

A few thoughts - the first of which is that OhDough is (to me) the most on point with the wider held feelings of the players in not only this discussion, but many of his own HD2 content. Secondly, HD2 has suffered a huge dropoff in player base - and more than it would or should have under normal circumstances. This *was* the type of game that many players early found attractive because they saw it as "the one game they play", meaning the "only game they play". They sought progression, and believed the game to have a promising future. Instead, HD2 feels more like a broken promise to them, and it's become consistently inconsistent in making baffling balancing decisions. For those who are "I only have time for one game, and I want the game to be an ongoing enjoyable and progression oriented experience", they lost faith and moved on. Those people are gone, and most likely never coming back. Even the content creators have moved on to a degree, and are doing work on other content *because* HD2 is not seen as the cream of the crop which rises above. It's on par with many, and "less than" other games which - if they had the huge start HD2 had combined with their own balancing and gameplay decisionmaking - would have been even bigger. HD2 could have been huge - and sustained the enthusiasm to present day - if they took a long look philosophically at the direction they are going. Instead, it seems stubborn and quietly dismissive of the customers. The vast majority of players left now, not all but many, are bouncing between games or only coming back to HD2 during major updates - when this game had the promise of being "the one game to play, and the only game you really want to play and git gud at" to an absolutely broken promise.

I am honestly just amazed at the utter incompetence on display from the balance team. 90% of the weapons, stratagems, and armors are not worth using, with 70% of them being pure trash or utterly useless. Even from a purely numbers/spreadsheet perspective, most of the weapons, and many of the strats, make absolutely no sense in relationship to each other. Every update just seems to make the game more and more shit, as they keep nerfing the decent weapons into the ground while simultaneously buffing the enemies, often with increasingly cheesy mechanics.

1:34:01 i really liked the original arc thrower , the range was nice and the fact you could use corpses as conductor to extend your range was really fun and creative way to use the weapon

I got late to the Live Stream. I am watching right now. What Thicc said about the Cookout is very true for me. I am using the Cookout as my main primary vs both factions! Actualy Cookout + AutoCanyon vs both factions hahaha It is amazing.

What helldivers really needs is a better end game progression. Other than the major order and the 2 or 3 days that a war bond will last you every few weeks there’s nothing tangible to work towards. Sample upgrades take to long and they’re more of a background thing. Same goes for major orders and you can’t really control them. We need like a perk tree, more cosmetics that you unlock. A new currency, something to spend slips on

Honestly even though this game's balance is a hot topic I have to give content creators for this game props for sticking with a sinking ship after so many red flags

I think Arrowhead should give us option to remain prone after ragdoll. We are already on the ground, allow us to remain so, we can stim or at least not be throws so far by next ragdoll. Maybe a toggle like with auto-climb. Definitely for Bot side. I find it very bad then when I'm already prone, I get a tiny ragdoll and stand up - why ...

im sick of people saying to just play at lower difficulties as if one of the few ways of progressing in the game isn't through the difficulties. the game locks off higher levels until you complete a full operation of the difficulty before it. don't act like playing at 7, 8, 9 isn't where the majority of players are. only new players are in the earlier difficulties. our arsenal shouldn't be balanced around the literal beginning of the game

Honestly ever since I started playing I’ve always thought the Helldivers don’t get up very quick for people getting shot at or chased by hordes

W OhDough

A game, where avoiding combat is the most effective strategy, can't be hard or fun.

on god, you guys should be the balance team

Anyone who thinks the slugger nerf was justified, loses their person privilege.

There needs to be a hand held mini gun with a backpack that has ~1000 rounds

Nice to see Dough here as well.

Nah fr, i agree with a lot of this, my recoiless feels like ass now with behemoths and now impalers, but i want the assault rifles to be more viable and i definitely want one of our machine gun strats as a primary at this point.

If the devs just PLAYED THEIR OWN GAME they would instantly know that the incendiary breaker gets picked because of the insane number of hunters thrown at you at higher levels. It's a gun specialized to deal with that enemy type, and if you don't bring something to deal with hunters, you are big screwed.

Thing is on higher difficulties primaries aren’t your primary weapon anymore… the HMG,MMG and stalwart, las cannon etc

Would like to see some time stamps for these videos to watch the topics I’m interested in be talked about. Truthfully I don’t intend on watching the entire 2 hours I’m not sure if everyone else intends to as well. This podcast is a great idea though and these are the perfect creators to choose

Medium and heavy armor should have ragdoll resistance.

Personally I am a huge purifier fan. It is my personal dream gun but it hits like a slower plas punisher. I had an idea of it having 3 level charges, all the same time. The first one is what it does now. The second one would have like 50% more splash radius and same dmg. And the third one would do double damage. So you can choose whether you want to charge it up and annihilate something from across the map or shoot faster in some scenarios. I think thats pretty balanced considering you would have to charge it like 3 times longer but shoot really strong

This was dope. For a casual viewer and follower..it was cool to watch a collective of the very same creators the algorithm has bumped me towards the last 3 months. A well mixed collab on subject matter and opinions. This needs to be a regular thing with you 4. The merch ideas are endless. The Helldivers Round Table

Isn’t it the recoiless rifle the weapon that was displayed in the opening cutscene that 1 shot a bile titan?

The ragdolls in this game is Fing excessive. Even i could recover faster!!! The bile spewer mortars have been insanely accurate!!! And with how tanky they are and how they can come in snall armies, it's ridiculous. I don't know a single a living creature that likes being burned alive, explain AH. Yeah, they did stealth nerf Super Credit acquisition.

There’s so many things in the game that annoy me excluding the gun that it doesn’t make sense why they haven’t changed it yet

Here's the biggest problem: the devs don't know what they want the game to be. It currently *is* a horde shooter. They talk about it being a mil-sim or a souls-like, but neither of those are compatible with a horde shooter.

there is a difference between hard and unfair. not having the tools, having slow clucky weak weapons, getting one shotted while at full hp while in heavy armor from a bot like 200m away or from a bug behind a rock impaling you from underneath, getting hit causing you to bounce around helplessly between other attacks unable to react. this stuff doesn't make the game "hard" it makes the game unfair. a hard challenge is fun but getting hit once then watching yourself get tossed around for a 30-60 seconds till you die isn't fun. i want the game to be hard but i don't want to feel like I'm constantly getting cheated due to things that shouldn't happen. weapons are weak and aiming is slow due to drift so while i have to aim all my shots to hit a weakpoint the bots can hit you anywhere and make you completely reset your aim and wait for that drift to slowly move back to where you are aiming. give me hard missions but give me the tools to fight back

I don't even think the flamethrower was that good at killing chargers. You have to be very close, you often get ragdolled, and the slow swing speed makes it hard to aim for the legs while it's moving. It took skill to do this, (or maybe stun grenades, but I've only just unlocked those) What it did do was let you kill multiple chargers, which is a really big deal when you get swarms of the things

Where is the love for the Orbital Railcannon Strike?

The emotion AH is evoking in HD2 rn is disappointment. I had a lot of fun prior to this recent update, but now I find it more of a job/grind. They won’t care if I stop playing, but I imagine I’m not alone in feeling disillusioned. I have over 380 hours in HD2, & I swear my character is slower now. Speed is what I enjoyed playing HD2

I will at least point this out. The first game had a tool tip telling you the game was hard, and it's recommended you work with a team.

A few things IMO: 1- Their efforts to make it so one gun isn't the META like the Railgun was have done the opposite of their intention. They've nerfed every fun support to the point that the only reliable one is the Autocannon. We've come full circle just with a different gun and less people having fun. 2- The game feels like a job to get upgrades. The sample reward I get does not justify the effort I put in to get them. And the upgrades don't feel worth the time investment. I really feel like either the cost should go down or the sample quantity should go up. Most people playing the game play it casually, they aren't content creators with a ton of time. So if they're going to nerf stuff and add it as an upgrade then they should really consider that most of their players are just going to be sitting with a nerf for a while trying to scrounge up the resources to un-nerf themself. That's bad. You're creating a problem nobody asked for and telling players to grind for a fix. 3- The game kinda leaves behind anyone who isn't a sweatlord/lady. It would really help if there was something like DRG's material exchange so less skilled players can still get the later rewards without being forced to play higher difficulties they won't find enjoyable. It's also help casual players who don't have as much time still get the new stuff. As it is, if you don't devote time like a job and aren't good enough to play the higher tiers then you're just left behind. 4- Balance sucks in it. If they wanted to be like a souls game then they've missed the point. Those games let you make busted builds (not bell and parry busted, that gets nerfed but was honestly deserved lol). The beam takes investment and setup and they've let you be rewarded with the damage. Giant Dad took time and investment. They need to not fear a META arising and instead focus on making other fantasies and playstyles fun so people don't feel forced to use the META. 5- Honestly, I think they should just embrace the goofyness. See what people are loving and try to make it better. It LOOKED like that's what the fire bond was for: People vocalized loving the flamethrower so they made a pack for it. But they nerfed fire first and killed the fun before it. So they defeated themselves. If they BUFFED player fire and released the pack then people would be losing their minds. It would build hype. Instead we're sitting here with the assumption that if we have fun with something or if Arrowhead says anything about a weapon it will get nerfed. That's horrible. People want to have a laser light show? Let them! Maybe buff the damage of the scythe, make the sickle actually shoot lasers, keep the ignition bug, make the laser cannon break armor under sustained fire, reduce the cooldown on the quasar. Let people enjoy the fantasy. People want to be tech palpatine? Let them! Add more arc weapons, maybe add the railgun's safety feature to the arc thrower so players can toggle to a risky alt fire that returns it to the pre-nerf range and damage, or one that just shoots continuous arcs in a cone, an arc backpack, arc guard dog, SOMETHING. Change the armor they added to buff the player, no enemies use arc and hardly anyone is running arc with their buddies getting shot enough for the perk to make sense. People like playing stealth rambo? Fix the psychic enemies and add tools for those players to sneak and have fun. People like plasma guns? You get the point lol. The tone of the marketing and the fanbase they've gained don't match what they're doing and someone seriously needs to sit them down and go: either change the marketing and make it very clear what game you want or change what you're doing to fit the people you've got playing. If they want a hard shooter souls then they need to change their marketing to reflect that and make it clear upfront. Nobody likes seeing ads that suggest fun shooter, see the upgrade previews that show fun potential and good damage, then play and it's gimped. Not fun for anyone.

Hate I missed this one live. Watching the replay now.

Nerfs are the talk of the town but good god, Arrowhead needs to address the stability of this game. It’s a crash fiesta. My last 5 missions, 3 crashed. It’s really annoying especially when it happens at the end of the game just before extract where you have tons of samples. This game was stable at lunch and but consistently crashed when they began updating it. It’s been months but Arrowhead have yet to be able to stop the crashing. It’s really frustrating

Honestly, if they let me team reload while the person with the gun is wearing the backpack, and then have team reload reduce recoil or help with ergonomic, it might be used ever.

There should be a ship upgrade that gives you a personal resupply stratagem in every mission that is the same cooldown but it only gives 1 or 2 boxes

I really enjoy these group talks keep them up!

If they want to make it so you work together to bring things down, dont make a single enemy immune to damage, just make it so that damage is heavily brought down. Most break points are 1 dmg, and it can be the difference between moving forward to deal +1 dmg or moving back and dealing -1 dmg. If that's the issue fix it via allowing shots that down land on weak points to do chip damage, ARs, Stal and Machine Gun would be viable chip damage supports, that make a Recoiless go from 2-3shotting to 1-2 shotting. If they want teamwork, thats how it should work, tracer fire leading heavy AT to their targets. 100% agree the early days of Helldivers 2 was a blast cowboy style bisecting Bots, chicken poppin, and Hulk blasting. It was amazing, until it was taken from us.

Railgun at launch was amazing to kill Chargers specially because of the Stun Lock that we could do to any charger. And the stun lock was directly connected to the unsafe mode time to fire. The shoot time and the stun time matched and that made the gun the best charger killer. The damage is back after the last buff, but the stun/heavy stagger is not and the time to fire is too long with the unsafe mode.

Wouldn’t get used to the cookout doing stagger, it’s too good remember? every time weapons have stagger they get rid of it.

OhDough enjoyer here

Flamethrower nerf sucks and has been the first time they have “dumpstered” a weapon in a while but before the behemoth patch literally no one played it anyways, it has always needed a rework. This biggest fail of this patch is not giving more alternatives for both flamethrower and behemoths. Idk how to fix flamethrower but chargers just literally need the leg armor strip “momentum” thing fixed ASAP

Let my friends Army Of Two hide and fire while I use the Shield!

1:15:50 The robotics workshop uses the mech icon when buying some of the upgrades and also every one of those upgrades applies to the mech, they dont even need to add a new section

I’m satisfied with the current difficulty of super helldive. Me and the bois finally facet a challenge

Tbh its really crazy to see that this is helldivers biggest update and as far as just “Content” all they could give us is a few new bugs and difficulty level…. And obviously a few nerfs

The devs need to add artificial modifiers depending on if you’re doing group or solo play. And they need to add a companion similar to DRG that can help you (esp for things like Buddy bunkers)

The mechs in this game should be like the silverbacks from GOW. You should be able to lock down a field of fire, repair it, and not have to worry about ammo. But you had to be careful because it could be destroyed relatively easily

Q. if you could buff anything or unnerf anything what would it be? A. Every primary weapon goes up one tier in armor pen

55:12 well diferent misions have diferent enemy spawn paterns (at random , its not tied to specific mision type)

I bet every single player loves much more fighting heavy enemies than clearing annoying chaff enemies. AH should make the ATs 1-2 shot to the head all heavies and throw at us double the amount of heavies and lower a bit the chaff on Super Helldive. That would be a fun and great change. Thicc is right, at launch, 7-9 was a full of heavy enemies. It was so fun to fight them.

I was aight with the balance changes. It's the content drop that disappointed me. Especially with the Mega Outposts, me thinking there are new upgrades, but it's just extra samples to the point that I do not know where I could use my resources(Medals, Requisitions, and Samples) on.

Great podcast, honestly star line up, the convo and discussion was great, while also being entertaining to listen, and laugh alongside!

Iv been completing more automaton operations lately than bugs. I think they’re easier now. The new alpha commander and that impaler is just like a wall you gotta break down. The bots feel a lot more fluid now. More options.

I think a key adjustment they could make to a lot of the weapons is actually making the weapons good against certain types of enemies, or improve the niche the weapon actually has. For example the lib penetrator has more pen than the base lib, but mot enough to really matter, improving its penetration so it can deal damage through all armour (bar charger and bile titans/ tanks) would actually make it useful and play differently than the other ARs

While im not complaining constantly about the nerfs. One thing I’m hating after this update is the amount of crashes the game now has and disconnects seem to be the worst I think iv ever seen. If it’s not you dropping from a game, it’s your team mates. It’s like the game is getting more broken with every patch.

How hard the game should be is one question. The bigger question is "What do top 1% players' play styles look like?" Is it the vision for the game, or is it a lot of running away?

Did not read who the guests were. Went directly to the video and I was delightfully surprised!

The devs need to make the weapons behave in a real way. Anti tank rounds that don’t stop tanks is not real. There should not be friendly fire from guard dogs and certain sentinels. They need to fix running mechanics. I can climb the supply drop like a monkey, but I get stuck on a rock 6 inches tall.

The most fun point of this game for me was when eruptor was in its prime, QC was not nerfed, and the guard dog rover was full powered. I would play that loadout for 500 more hours if I could lol

OP should be defined as over performing significantly over intention. But you have to have a solid performance baseline to determine what is over or underperforming in the first place. For the player base, often a weapon is picked because it doesn't completely suck, not because its overpowered, nothing in HD2 falls into that category. Reliable should be the baseline, defined as a weapon doing, efficiently, what it is designed to do. That CANNOT be considered overpowered, that is baseline. But it seems to be what AH considers to be overpowered, and that's the problem.

God it's so good to hear Maplewood in this!

I'd love a repeating rifle style primary, space cowboy style. preferably medium pen minimum.

The Fellowship of The Helldive, put the greatest helldivers minds together and pray the devs listen

Fire the balance team you got everyone you need for the right direction of the game right here

HD 2 is a unique case where the phrase "players will optimize the fun out of the game" doesn't apply, because it's the developers doing it for us. [edit] so, maple keeps bringing up group play... yeah, if you're communicating, sure. out of the last 4 days i've played, only two matches i've had people communicating in voice chat back to me with randoms, as none of my friends play anymore, and everybody just leaves immediately after a mission is over. With that in mind, no, group play is not always the answer, because you never know if you can rely on that potential amazing partner or dipshit next you to make the right call, and more often then not, it's a dipshit. so group play for me personally is a VERY mixed bag, if i had a premade team, we'd be communicating left and right on what to do, and that happens in public *sometimes* but nowhere near often enough.

Here is my issue with the new warbond and its weapons. Whose loadout actually changed from any of these? Like Pipz said, he isn't going to use any of them. Granted the Cookout is a decent marriage of the Pummeler and Break Incendiary, but it still won't surpass my Blitzer with the bugs, and it isn't making it into a bot loadout, everything else is trash tier. So outside of being novel, they all are just new items that will sit in the armory.

1:41:59 I played a game today where some guy opened a container and got 100 super credits. I had to do a double-take but it was real. My jaw dropped.

You should be able to spend 5 super samples to unlock an extra strategem slot for 1 mission

Laser cannon does light stuff on fire now so it did get buffed.

The developers can't know if the weapons are balanced for levels 6,7,8,9 or 10 because they play at level 4...and fail to complete the missions. So, for them, it is hard enough. Plus, we can't deal with everything for various reasons: 1- The enemy constellation is random, so we don't know if we are gonna encounter bile spewers or hunters and commanders, so we gotta be prepared for everything. 2 - our stratagems, which according to the devs are what we should rely on, have long cool downs and are affected constantly by various modifiers. So, we don't have the tools and the devs don't test their own game.

need one of these with dough and eravin