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ELECTION SPECIAL: The UK economy since 2008 | IFS Zooms In 

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Since 2008, the UK economy has faced a series of shocks and challenges, leaving the next government with a difficult task. From low growth to falling living standards, we ask what structural problems the next government faces.
We also tackle announcements on limiting tax rises, apprenticeships and the NHS waiting list.
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00:00 - Introduction
2:26 - How has our economy grown since 2010?
5:45 - Bad luck vs poor government performance
8:32 - UK performance vs other G7 countries
9:58 - UK reaction to economic shocks
13:26 - What's happened to living standards?
15:13 - The surprising truth about income inequality
17:20 - Homeownership rates amongst the young
19:44 - Electoral tax promises
23:48 - Politics vs economics in tax
26:30 - Apprenticeship policy announcements
34:55 - Record levels of young people out of work, education and training
36:58 - NHS waiting list announcements
47:58 - Final thoughts

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22 июл 2024

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@spacetime3
@spacetime3 Месяц назад
Productivity has been low since the mid 90's, its and issue with businesses and boards they just have chosen to invest less in favor of dividends and payouts first. What we need is a change in behavior and ideology more long-term thinking.
@leegregorypeck
@leegregorypeck 29 дней назад
Where is the evidence for this? 1992-2009 saw us close the productivity gap with Europe.. but you get three likes... because people are so willing to believe bad news. 1992-2009 was our longest uninterrupted period of economic growth. We grew faster than any of our major competitors, even on a per capita basis. What do people get out of talking absolute rubbish and not even revealing their true identity? I really am intrigued to know.
@spacetime3
@spacetime3 28 дней назад
@@leegregorypeck mabye its my wording we had brought back the productivity gap but nothing into the 00s it was mid 90s. We have constant been under investing publically and privately its a constant issue, where as US, France, Germany, constantly have invested far more than the uk they pressed ahead with productivity and weve fallen behind losing out even on the advantages we had in many sectors. As for evidence google uk productivity vs other countries, all legitimate articles show constant underinvestment its problem with management and constant short termism.
@garnhamr
@garnhamr 13 дней назад
well i've been a construction worker for 20 years and i've noticed how little training is being offered by companies. not only that, not many will even employ their staff, it's all subcontractors. started in 2008 and just slowly got worse and worse. if you want to be a tradesman nowadays you got to buy your own van, tools, training etc. makes it a bit of a bad career choice. you pay out so much money and time into effectively running a business and people are always trying to work you down on the price because 'you earn loads of money'. vans have gone up a shit load in the past few years.
@niknikmoore
@niknikmoore Месяц назад
We now have former High Street Banks whose UK footprint is so small they now only have one or two office blocks. Their infrastructure is based outside of the EU/EC in countries like India.
@niknikmoore
@niknikmoore Месяц назад
No mention of IR35 - which was a Labour Law - which crushed those people who went freelance as the PLCs offered Gross Salaries as fees - thus, the PLC avoided Employers NI
@t5kcannon1
@t5kcannon1 Месяц назад
Informative stuff. Thank you, IFS.
@niknikmoore
@niknikmoore Месяц назад
No mention of Intra Company Transfer visas and their effect on UNDER-Cutting of the UK Going Rate for the Skill - eg IT slills
@TheLucanicLord
@TheLucanicLord Месяц назад
There's more return in property than producing. Problem is it's a zero sum game.
@jonaen24
@jonaen24 Месяц назад
For the public to be talking about the economy instead of Farage's prejudices is a huge improvement.
@marumaru6084
@marumaru6084 Месяц назад
Well its like pretending 15 million low paid immigrants have not been very destructive to UK GDP per capita!
@philschulkins2241
@philschulkins2241 15 дней назад
Good to see these issues treated as facts without political spin.
@shanecagney7451
@shanecagney7451 Месяц назад
Great episode
@maguirefire3190
@maguirefire3190 Месяц назад
Would there be a problem with freezing spending increases... Bring energy prices down by no tax on the energy extraction sector.. cut migration to 80 thousand a year so it replaces the difference between 60 to 65 year olds retiring and 15 to 20 year old coming into the job market.... Freeing up the energy market would keep inflation down..so no need for more government spending... what would be wrong with this if it was applied for the next decade?
@galinor7
@galinor7 22 дня назад
Yeah. Same here in the EU. In Spain, the economy is pretty fragile. Petrol and fuel are an identical price to the UK yet accomodation is more expensive than the UK outside of London. People earn around two thirds of the UK. I'm a Brit. I live in Spain with my Spanish wife.
@martinsingfield
@martinsingfield 29 дней назад
The performance of the UK economy since 2008 has not been terrible! In terms of real GDP (at PPP constant prices) and real GDP per capita (at PPP constant prices) we have outgrown all but 2 of the G7 countries. Only the USA beat the UK on both measures. We have grown at a slower rate than before 2008, but so has every member of the G7. Both the IMF (to 2029) and OECD (to 2060) forecasts for economic growth show the same picture going forward.
@martinsepion
@martinsepion Месяц назад
With the question of the increase in NEET's you should look at the impact of the ending of the European Social Fund. The last batch of this funding ended in March. Good to hear your analysis of UK economic performance.
@leegregorypeck
@leegregorypeck 29 дней назад
Good to hear that income inequality has fallen, the rich are being taxed a lot more, corporates are paying a lot more, more people are buying their own homes than they were in the final years of New Labour. Still, it was unfair to use 2008 as the base year for measuring GDP per person, as we lost 7% of our GDP in 2008-09. We were hit far harder than other countries. If we used 2010 as the base year, surely that would make a difference.
@niknikmoore
@niknikmoore Месяц назад
Employers do not like Employing people - so the death of TRAINING /RE-Training / CROSS-Training - Employers want to avoid Employers NI
@niknikmoore
@niknikmoore Месяц назад
The UK needs those Off-shored UK jobs back on-shore and rapid!
@francisravenscroft-dw6gi
@francisravenscroft-dw6gi Месяц назад
that is nt going to happen - 'outsourcing is cheaper. easiest way to 'make profits' is to cut costs!
@niknikmoore
@niknikmoore Месяц назад
@@francisravenscroft-dw6gi Agreed. But what I wondered was how long does the IFS think that this model can carry on?
@maguirefire3190
@maguirefire3190 Месяц назад
Where is the data? Comparisons to other relevant data? Charts? This would be the best podcast ever if they could articulate there statements with data to back it up... without that its just another think tank group that may have self interests... prove me wrong... I expect way more from the IFS from all people
@kiljaeden7663
@kiljaeden7663 Месяц назад
Because it's already been proven. You want someone to explain Newton's laws every time there's a rocket launch?
@maguirefire3190
@maguirefire3190 Месяц назад
​@@kiljaeden7663They mentioned Business investment. Foreign direct investment globally was trending lower from 2016 onwards but the UK topped 1st to 5th in the list of Foreign direct investment in that downtrend until 2020... Can u distinguish the difference between a macro view and a narrow view with little comparisons? The UK was also compared to Spain regarding inflation with no mention that Spain was the least affected in europe by Inflation because it sources its Gas and other resources from North West Africa. This information is not disputed nor hard to find.. Regarding the tax distribution claim that average earners are paying the least tax in 50 years and obviously the tax rises have been distributed to other people and i claim this is the opposite in europe. What would be wrong with comparible data in charts to visualise these claims and data points to show transparency.. Or are you too narrow minded to understand any of these suggestions?
@syedadeelhussain2691
@syedadeelhussain2691 Месяц назад
Let's use the simple model of circular income flow taught to A Level students and BS/BA Undergraduates in Econs 101. If withdrawals or leakages exceed injections, the economy will lose income and vice versa. What sort of withdrawals/leaks and injections the UK economy experiences can be studied using the National Economic Accounts. We need to carefully scrutinize the Fiscal situation, the savings in the domestic financial system, Current Account, Capital Account, Trade and overall Balance of payments to determine where the inflows and outflows make a circular impact on national income computation.
@petearmstrong2778
@petearmstrong2778 Месяц назад
What happened to all the new green jobs that are required? Heat pumps, boilers, insulation, wind power construction, EV chargers et al
@georgethompson453
@georgethompson453 Месяц назад
As you say the thresholds for income tax are frozen so that is a tax increase. Whatever the majority the next government is heading for a really rough time politically as people will continue to feel worse off. Coupled with that are the unexpected shocks and the expected shocks such a major water company going bust.
@francisravenscroft-dw6gi
@francisravenscroft-dw6gi Месяц назад
So let all the privitised utilities go bust- the debts will be born by the share holders and the next governement ' can manage emergancy clear out of the entire board and buy them for a one £ :)
@plerpplerp5599
@plerpplerp5599 16 дней назад
the UK's current state can be attributed to several key factors: Decades of mismanagement by successive governments: Both Conservative and Labour administrations have made short-sighted decisions prioritizing short-term political gains over long-term national interests. Austerity measures: Severe budget cuts implemented after the 2008 financial crisis have gutted public services and infrastructure. Brexit: The decision to leave the EU has caused significant economic disruption, trade complications, and political instability. Wealth inequality: A system that increasingly favours the rich has led to a widening gap between the wealthy and the rest of the population. Outdated economic model: The UK's reliance on financial services and a service-based economy has left it vulnerable to global economic shifts. Lack of investment in education and skills: Failure to adequately prepare the workforce for changing job markets has led to skills shortages and unemployment. Housing market failures: Decades of underbuilding and treating housing as an investment rather than a basic need have created a severe housing crisis. Political short-termism: Politicians focusing on election cycles rather than long-term planning have led to inconsistent policies and lack of strategic vision. Media influence: Sensationalist media has contributed to social divisions and misinformation. Loss of industrial base: The decline of manufacturing has left many regions economically depressed. Resistance to change: An inability to adapt quickly to global economic and technological changes has left the UK lagging behind in key areas. These factors have combined to create a perfect storm of social, economic, and political challenges that have significantly impacted the quality of life for many UK residents.
@xtc2v
@xtc2v 18 часов назад
Rubbish. Our failure to make a fiscal surplus since 2000 coincided with the fall off in revenue from North Sea oil and gas. It was a straw that broke the camels back if you like. Industry cannot compete with China and that problem goes back decades. It is not lack of investment in skills either since, for example, there is plenty of free money for apprenticeships but much of it goes back to the Treasury as its not getting taken up. You are trying to flog a dead horse. It is simply not economic to make most goods in the UK. As to austerity it was very mild but did achieve in its best year us only borrowing £700 million which in the scheme of things is as good as zero. Greece had hard austerity and it worked and now is making great progress and growing. There is no avoiding the fact that the UK going to have to work longer for less. There is no avoiding the fact either that nobody is willing to vote for that medicine until after a total economic collapse. This country has not made a fiscal surplus in the last 23 years so a collapse won't be long coming now
@garyh1572
@garyh1572 Месяц назад
Austerity. Which led to Brexit.
@trevdean540
@trevdean540 Месяц назад
Three Self induced crisis by the people at the top!
@davidmccabe4041
@davidmccabe4041 Месяц назад
Your economic experts might do worse than read irelands first program for economic expansion published in 1959 when I was a student chartered accountant. That is the foundation plan for irelands remarkable economic progress in recent years. Ireland has little by way of natural resources. Yet over 60 years the economic progress has been truly remarkable helped by the low rate of corporation tax thereby attracting much foreign investment. This idea originated as profits on export sales of manufactured goods would be tax free which was the attraction for many multinationals producing high value low volume goods like computer parts, pharmaceuticals, health care products to set up plants in Ireland after Ireland joined the eu. The cost of shipping abroad was insignificant. I could go on but I have been blessed beyond measure by prof whittakers vision in 1959 and to see all 4 of my grandchildren in graduate well paid jobs is a special joy. David McCabe Dublin.
@VincentRE79
@VincentRE79 Месяц назад
Do you not think attracting companies through a low Corporation tax rate is quite a risky economic plan?
@davidmccabe4041
@davidmccabe4041 Месяц назад
@@VincentRE79 what are the risks to the state versus the possible, hopefully, likely benefits? David mccabe
@VincentRE79
@VincentRE79 Месяц назад
@@davidmccabe4041 The risks are you are reliant on multinationals who will move when you are forced to increase CT rates on the orders of the EU. Which will happen.
@davidmccabe4041
@davidmccabe4041 Месяц назад
@@VincentRE79 all I can add is that our low rate of corporation tax has served us well for over 50 years and our Corp tax revenues continue to grow massively supporting our current enormous govt revenue surplus. Remember we are a small island of less than 4 million people off the west coast of Europe with few natural resources, English speaking, Anglo Saxon type company law and thus not a threat to the rest of europe. If you were a US corporation planning to expand operations into Europe where else would you locate.? David McCabe dublin
@VincentRE79
@VincentRE79 Месяц назад
@@davidmccabe4041 I just consider it too much dependence on the likes of Apple for example who are purely there for tax reasons despite what they may say about a "Young, dynamic workforce". The harmonisation of tax rates among EU countries etc may well change everything. They have called this "Leprechaun Economics", I personally think unsustainable. My parents came to the UK to escape the poverty in Ireland and would never return.
@I_Was_Chrispy_Kreme
@I_Was_Chrispy_Kreme Месяц назад
20:31 they have said they won’t increase the big 3… this means you could for example align CGT to income tax, and charge ni on dividends, wealth taxes on property etc….
@advocate1563
@advocate1563 Месяц назад
GDP per capita = immigration as a meaningful factor. Rachel Reeves is pinlnocchio as they all are. Of course big 3 taxes will go up. A not insignificant number of the top 10% of tax payers are also leaving ... we joined them and are astonished by the number of business owners in our new geography who had simply had enough of the tax burden they've taken on in the past 12 years. They simply felt uk didn't offer prospects for growth and aspiration. I think we'd have borne that but when Starmer started saying women had a penis we decided life was too short to argue biology. His Stert position is that 35k women in the UK have a male appendage - rock on 🤘
@PMMagro
@PMMagro Месяц назад
The UK has not have higher immigration than say Germany the same period either so it is not an immigartion issue really. The top earners in the UK does not pay full tax, like your former PM Cameron being partr of the Panama leaks. You risk higer taxes yes but you NEED productivity to go up really and some real growth (not just taking a bigger loan to buy an existing houise assets at an even higher price). Many countries are in this boat though even if Brexit managed to make yours sinking daster.
@1943colin
@1943colin Месяц назад
'Why has the UK performed so poorly?' This was a question regularly asked in the early 1970s. Answer: Because it was not a member of the EU, or the EEC as it was then designated.
@VincentRE79
@VincentRE79 Месяц назад
Brexit was never going to be an economic success it was about the UK regaining it's sovereignty and the ability to control immigration, Economists seem unable to understand this.
@francisravenscroft-dw6gi
@francisravenscroft-dw6gi Месяц назад
So the UK has sovereignty of what ? Imagration numbers have doubled in the last 14 years
@VincentRE79
@VincentRE79 Месяц назад
@@francisravenscroft-dw6gi This is happening in all Western countries. Ireland, France, USA, Canada etc facing huge increases in immigration.
@john2839
@john2839 Месяц назад
However it was "sold" as being economically beneficial too or at the very least economically neutral. It clearly isn't and that was entirely predictable.
@VincentRE79
@VincentRE79 Месяц назад
@@john2839 I never saw it being sold economically just a way of saving the country from losing it's independence and a way of controlling immigration.
@Manmadepack
@Manmadepack Месяц назад
my comment keeps dissapearing talk to gary stevenson spread his message
@tonymccann1978
@tonymccann1978 Месяц назад
This waffle does little to explain why I work more, have less and everything costs more.
@Cassp0nk
@Cassp0nk Месяц назад
You guys claim to be neutral but you are obsessed with higher taxation. That is not a neutral position. The tax burden is massive already.
@MrPsaunders
@MrPsaunders Месяц назад
Greedy
@MrPsaunders
@MrPsaunders Месяц назад
@@lonewanderer3456 Money is a construct.
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