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Electric cars v Petrol and Diesel runnings cost difference demonstrated (Oct 2022 energy prices!)

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I ran through some example figures before but yet again the energy crisis has caused another change in electricity prices. Luckily we now have an energy price cap guarantee but it’s still a lot more expensive than it was a few weeks and months ago.
So what does this mean for electric car buyers and their running costs.
I do want to stipulate here and now that even if they were the same or electric cars cost more than petrol or diesel combustion vehicles I would still want to drive an EV! They’re just better cars and CAN run entirely from renewable green energy. Unfortunately not all of our energy is generated in such a way, BUT even if coal is burned to create electricity it is still many times more efficient and therefor greener than burning fuel in your own engine.
Anyway on with the test. I document a real world journey and explain the running costs of the electric per mile compared to petrol and diesel.
Both from home charging and from public high-power charging which is more expensive.
I do it a bit differently this time and calculate a running cost per mile and then explain the mpg equivalents for petrol and diesel. I figured it may be an easier way for people to relate to and compare to their own cars.
So I hope this is useful and helps.
Of course we’ll see prices vary, different fuel prices, different cars give different results… but you get the idea!
Richard Symons
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@steventhompson8585 Год назад

Nice one Richard. Just got back from Spain last night (7/11/2022) in my 2020 Tesla SR+. A 1300 mile trip and I averaged over 4.2 miles per kWh at speeds varying from 110 to 120 kph on toll roads. Supercharger costs were Euro 0.57 in Spain per KWh (that was on the 6th Oct) and super charger tariffs were Euro 0.67 cents per KWh in France on the 7th Oct. This was my 3rd trip in the car to Spain and like you I love driving electric cars. Love the content, honest and fair reviews.

@farazbaber409 Год назад

Timely and thoroughly informative vlog Richard. As an owner of just EVs mainly reliant on home charging based on the current cap, it has provided the myth busting clarity I needed to ascertain whether the fuel costs still stack up. Thank you!

@dazzassti 7 месяцев назад

Was a bit of research and using a calculator so difficult 😂

@bryanlewens2068 Год назад

I got my Model Y in March of this year and have charged from my PVs for most of the summer. Now that the days are getting shorter we are charging at night with Octopus Go. Have used a super chargers twice to date. For us the cost of summer driving on PVs is zero because the power we use would have gone back to the grid and we would not have got any payment for it. The car is a averaging just under 4 mile/kWh. I was quite surprised how little of the PV power we generate we actually used ourselves. Having an EV makes a big difference. We are lucky in that we were in a position to install PVs over 10 years ago now

@johndoyle4723 Год назад

Yes, the ability to dump excess solar into an EV is a game changer, no point in exporting. I use almost no grid in the summer, and can easily put 40-50 miles range in to my car on a sunny day. Winter, well I charge my home battery and the car on the Octopus night tariff. 2p/mile.

@NedNew Год назад

Thank you for posting results also in litres and km for all of us non-UK viewers - it gives a much greater understanding of the results.

@superfireflyguy2054 Год назад

Great video. I actually have a Cupra Born on order. When I did this calculation (based on my current car, a Skoda Octavia estate VRs diesel), the parity point was around 64p/kWh. Given that my home rate is 26p/kWh until October 23, I'm having solar and a battery installed, and I'm unlikely to need to use public rapid chargers, I think I'll do alright!

@gp8231 Год назад

What was the cost of the Cupra born against a Petrol or Diesel equivalent? Normally its 3-6K more, meaning the petrol or diesel is more cost effective over 3 years, and much easier to use (less planning for drives)

@QuentinStephens Год назад

Your visit to Braintree was illuminating. Please don't assume that people can have a home charger. That may be your target market but many people park on the street and you cannot have charging cables snaking across pavements. And hopefully petrol prices will come back down after the Ukraine conflict is resolved which will change the mathematics considerably.

@martinblackmore4515 Год назад

Great topic very well explained. I did a trip to Cornwall in an Audi Etron and found it was about on parity with a petrol car as I used the charge network. The issues were more about the variance in costs between charge companies and the unpredictability of payment i.e. contactless/apps and out of order chargers. We have some real infrastructure issues which are slower in being resolved than the uptake of electric cars. This in turn is creating the final issues with long journeys which is that chargers are often being used when you get there. I found the accuracy of the predicted range and the speed of charging to be great in the Audi which I feel is as important as actual range. One point that appears to not get a mention is that BP, Shell eat are charging approx. the same for electric as diesel but the have no fuel duty hence there profits per KW are many times those of a Litre of diesel - they are keeping that quite. It should be an incentive to put more infrastructure in.

@washingtonluis1770 11 месяцев назад

Great video . We also need to take in consideration that most of the EV car buyers don't have a drive way or a garage with available to charge at home, the infrastructure in UK for many people still need to charge on the go paying a more expensive tariff for charging all the time . I would love to upgrade to an mg4 ev, but home charging for me unfortunately is not available as I don't have a drive way , and may never have access to one in my live time .

@grahambunton377 Год назад

A good comparison video but you failed to mention TWO other costs. You need a charger - you can't just plug your EV into the 13 amp socket. These cost about £1000 on average. And batteries don't last forever, it will need replacing far sooner than a petrol engine and the cost of replacement is eye-wateringly expensive.

@mjmherts Год назад

Nice one Richard . As a model 3 performance owner your calculations were very interesting. Getting the equivalent of 80 mpg in a car that is so insanely quick is brilliant and bearing in mind I charge on the 7.5p overnight rate this mpg figure will be even more amazing 💪

@Nick_Smith1970 Год назад

Just be careful and weigh up the amount of electrickery you use in the daytime. Cheap rate at night, is uaually accompanied by a higher rate than usual in the day. I considered Octopus EV tarrif, until I calculated that our daytime usage, i.e. electric ovens, induction hob, xboxes etc outweighed the savings for the EV at night. So I'm sticking with the boggo flat rate when we get our EV.

@proxy7863 Год назад

@@Nick_Smith1970 still around 35p in the day on the EV tariff so same as other tariffs

@Nick_Smith1970 Год назад

@@proxy7863 my day rate is currently 32, so I think I’ll look into it again.

@kab7044 Год назад

I agree with your findings. I think a major advantage for EV is ‘No’ oil change, filters, antifreeze and gear box. I used to own Mercedes’s and the price for service is joke. I had my EV for 6 months now and really enjoy it.

@iallso1 Год назад

I took my partners EV for its 12 monthly service today, it cost just $80 (£40), I would have expected the cost to be close to $350 for an ICE vehicle.

@stevezodiac491 Год назад

wait until your range drops, you won't be happy with it then, as I am not with my electric car.

@iallso1 Год назад

@@stevezodiac491 can I ask what vehicle you have?

@kab7044 Год назад

@@iallso1 Hyundai I5 Ultimate. My range has been 300 miles+ in eco mode. I have also realised since having the EV that I actually drive slower. When I had my V8 I liked listening to the roar of the V8, but without the V8 there nothing to prove….

@iallso1 Год назад

@@kab7044 good choice, when my partner and I were looking around for a new car in July 21 the Ioniq 5 was not released here and the dealership couldn't confirm a date for it to arrive. We did however take an EV 6 for a test drive in August this year and while I liked it, I couldn't justify upgrading. With regard to a drop off in range, I have seen videos from owners of the original Hyundai Ioniq whos battery is still at 99% as they approach 100k miles. From my experience as an owner the greatest impact on range was cold weather, crossing a mountain pass in freezing conditions and needing to put the de-mister on to keep the screen clear. ABRP app had already advised that we needed to reduce speed to reach the next charger, but the suboptimal conditions saw us reduce speed further to reach the destination with only 10 miles of charge remaining. Not a concern we have experienced since changing to the Niro.

@TomUlcak Год назад

Love your channel. You give real world examples and comparisons. VERY useful.

@alferro3149 Год назад

The prices are scaringly close. And this video is in the UK. If you live in a country like Italy, petrol/diesel are cheaper, electricity is more expensive and you will have diesel cars that are cheaper to run( and buy). I am starting to think that the all electric car thing is getting a bit delusional. I think that most people don't own a garage. That's a massive elephant in the room! People on lower incomes (let's call it the majority of the population?) will not be able to make the switch to electric. There is a lot of work to do. We need cheap cars(no dragsters!!) and cheap electricity 🔌 Sadly, I can't see much effort from governments around the world to steer the trend in the right direction (hard if you are financed by oligarchs) ... Norway is just an insignificant effort that doesn't really reflect reality (btw financed by petrol money!!).

@blooms1874 Год назад

Great update Richard and reassuring, even though still no sign of my RS ETron GT that was due 1st September….. In the process of investing in 15 solar panels/inverter/optimisers/battery to enforce the EV journey…! The Cupra performed better than I expected too. Keep up the excellent work.

@Kabob_King Год назад

“Ideally we should all walk” 😂 killing me. Just saying what’s up from New York! Great info as always.

@ST-jq Год назад

Thanks for doing this REAL world test, I always wanted to see the running cost of a typical EV as opposed to a petrol/diesel equivalent, although a sporty Tesla is not your typical EV, the Cupra is. I am thinking of buying an MG, the latest MG4 mainly because of cost and affordability.

@nikelliot8105 Год назад

4 years with a Model S, spent £285 in total on servicing!

@tonyshipton8896 Год назад

Same, have a 2015 S 85D.. Tyres, Cabin Filers and wiper blades in 7 Years...!

@grssailing Год назад

I did a track day at Goodwood last week. My Porsche Taycan Turbo S ran the first three sessions on solar with 15% on off peak electricity at 7.5p per kWh. I then put £20 in to run another two sessions. Average consumption 1 mile per kWh or worse. Total cost to me £21.50. An equivalent Porsche 911 Turbo S £110. In normal use my Taycan costs 2.3p per mile, an 911 TTS 35p per mile.

@marvinsamuels1237 Год назад

Thanks for another informative video. The sad thing is, those people in the press spreading false info about EV ownership will never watch a video like this as it’s not what they want to hear. They have their agenda and stories to sell and that’s what they will stick with. Incidentally, I’ve just booked our Ioniq 38kW in for its first service (as advised by the car). It’s only got 7.5k on the clock after 11 months of mostly local use. The cost for this first service….? £64.20. I don’t even think a petrol i10 would be that cheap.

@mikeredham Год назад

A helpful video thanks. My wife is a few months into owning her first EV a Renault Zoe. Most of her trips are town driving & she's been getting free charging at Tesco. We're gutted the free Tesco charging ends on 1 Nov 22 but your video has helped her realise that charging at home with the price cap is still roughly is half the price of petrol per mile.

@jordanbrant7660 Год назад

I agree on running costs alone an EV is still cheaper, but for a lot of people like myself who want an EV but have no driveway buying an EV makes little sense compared to my current vehicle (2l TDI golf). My current car does around 50mpg about town and 60-70mpg on a long run, diesel is about £1.77. Obviously I also need to consider the cost of the car which currently you cant get an equvilant quality of car for the price (the EV used market will come eventually). On another negative of EV ownership without a driveway, in my village we have 1 charger (50kW) at 60p/kWh, taking into account nearby villages and town there are around 6 more 50kW charges with about 90% of them out of service or having issues reported very recently in zap maps (there are some 7kW and 22kW chargers at a supermarket 6 miles away but they have 90 minute parking restriction) it just really stops people taking the leap when they could potentialy need the public network to be more realiable, alot is still needed to be done before mass adoption.

@timaustin2000 Год назад

Here's the thing: most clued up EV drivers WILL have EV overnight tariffs, taking per mile costs beneath 2-4p a mile. Significantly cheaper than petrol.

@buzzzzer100 Год назад

As an electric car driver on his 2nd electric car. The big market comparison should be on the run of the mill family car. In which case it just doesn’t add up. I’m not even talking hybrid. Saving of 5 to 10k on the car price 40 to 50 mpg and no off street parking. And if you consider 2nd hand even wider. At the moment be mad to buy electric. I hate to say this but this is a big challenge.

@mattperkins1992 Год назад

Got my VW ID3 in March this year on lease and paying around £300 per month. The same car now and around £550 per month. No way will I be able to continue my EV journey when my lease is up. Totally crazy prices now. How will we get people to jump to EV cars with these prices ?

@JJamJ Год назад

Of course you will…there are other brands offering cheaper models that VW!

@bnb300 Год назад

I just received an email from Shell Recharge about their tariff changes which are now 7-22Kw = 55p/Kwh; 50Kw = 79p/Kwh; 150Kw = 85pKwh. When you compare a 4miles per Kwh EV with a 45mpg ICE you get equivalent pump prices of £1.36/L; £1.95/L; £2.10/L. Now, whilst I don't mind too much paying an equivalent price at the pump to fill up I shan't be using SHELL to fill up at these prices.

@900swalker Год назад

Capped tariff is only for 1 year now, so interesting to see price comparison this time next year - great video, thanks!

@kevinliley1102 Год назад

Great content as always, Richard. I thought that you had been driving my Model 3 Performance (with the rear tints) until I looked out of my window at home and saw that it was still on the driveway! Regarding running/whole life costs, the other comment you see in the media is that electric cars are more expensive than their petrol and diesel cousins; that is true. However, what reporters omit to note is that the depreciation is significantly slower for an electric car; I think mine might have even gone up slightly since I purchased it. Just look at your retail site and the cost of an early Model S to see what I mean. I would never go back to a combustion vehicle.

@knowwe Год назад

When that battery fails, and it lwill within the next 8/10 years if not sooner, the cost of a new battery will make your vehicle worthless.

@ski_tron2446 Год назад

Another great video Richard, love your channel. Just done the same video/calculation on my channel with my Audi etron 55. Using a public rapid charger at 65p kWh it’s equivalent to 34mpg petrol, 37mpg diesel. That might sound rubbish but a reasonably equivalent petrol car like the Audi Q8 3.0litre 55TFSi does about 27mpg. And my home charging costs are half public rapid charging, so most journeys I’m nearer 70mpg equivalent cost. Few Evs are as inefficient as my Audi but I absolutely love driving it.

@user-kt1rm3hg8q 11 месяцев назад

Great if you're buying new or nearly new and have a place to charge at home which millions of people don't/can't. If you're looking for a used car for £10k and need a reasonably sized car there is nothing electric unless you buy very high mileage and very old. I don't have a problem with people buying electric cars but it should be a choice , not forced on us.

@darrenboulton9063 Год назад

Thank you for this video, my ps2 is turning up on 31st, I have been worried! did I do the right thing! This really helped reduce my stress levels. I current drive a Peugeot 308D which does average 60mpg.

@jgorry69 Год назад

Ex Mustang M3 AMG driver. Tech guy 12,000 steps a day. Tesla unicorn EV owner 14 months. Love the OBJECTIVE measures. Nice video. EV taxes will in time increase to replace the revenues lost from petrol. I live in Australia and we are the kings of tax. EV klms tax I can smell the odours

@darrenwalker6006 Год назад

It would be great to see a video showing the true costs over say 3 years (is this average time people keep a car for? ) and 10k miles per annum . Cupra Born V Cupra Leon -Cost difference to buy spread over 3 years -Servicing cost over 3 years - Petrol cost current pump price -EV charge cost on current cap rate - Car tax - 1 set tyres for each car @15,000miles

@jhareng Год назад

Depreciation cost too has more bearing than any fuelled car, its based on battery longetivity eveyone over looks. That Cupras £23k for a new battery, whilst Tesla much cheaper.

@migueldsouza9695 6 месяцев назад

I am moving away from EVs and back to diesel after 3yrs with two Nissan Leafs. I have a few reasons: - At home, my energy consumption (energy used to charge the car, vs energy the car says it needs) can be upto 30% more. On a sub-zero night, putting 30Kw in consumed nearly 40Kw. - The annual service of my Leaf at the Nissan dealer, including it's MOT, was over £1,000. - During the colder period, with the aircon on to keep the windows clear, the Leaf was nearer 2Kw per mile for the 160 mile round trip commute. Equivalent cost to a 20mpg ICE vehicle. - At the time I generally leave from work for my 80 miles commute home, the fast chargers, even though the numbers are increasing, are occupied by delivery vans. This means my journey home is often via a slow charger taking much longer.

@PrologOutsourcing Год назад

Great video Richard, but I’d love one in more detail. I know EVs are cheaper for charging, but you don’t take into account the initial higher purchase or lease price of an ev in comparison to a petrol. I’d really like to see a video in which you take this into account perhaps using lease or PCP costs

@gp8231 Год назад

This. once you factor in the additional cost of EV cars, if viewing on a 3 year ownership basis ICE cars are more cost effective currently. I've got a Tesla as a company car and the tax savings outweigh that, but I wouldn't buy a EV for personal use currently, wait until 2025

@jabu19 Год назад

BMW M3 = Cost to buy £84,070, PCP Cost £978.25, BIK Cost £1,008.81 per month. Tesla Model 3 Performance = Cost to buy £57,900, PCP £835, BIK cost £38.62 per month Tesla Wins in my opinion not to mention changing at home at 10p per kw instead of £1.40 per litre of petrol

@leemo432 Год назад

I'm a delivery driver and I can't have an ev as I can't charge at home I have an ioniq hybrid and am achieving 65mpg I don't think I can beat that. I'm interested in electric cars but I would have to solely rely on public chargers so I think my car is more than good enough

@Brian-om2hh Год назад

A 100% EV would still cost around 50% less to run......

@leemo432 Год назад

@@Brian-om2hh how when I would have to charge it at public only chargers? My car is not a plug in hybrid its a normal self charging hybrid

@user-kq6xf4om3l Год назад

Great and informative as usual. I just worry that we are creeping up to a cost point that will, once again, turn people away from ev’s. I think most people will choose their pocketbook over the environment.

@GudieveNing Год назад

It's intentional. 1. The war in Ukraine is all about access to the Ukrainian gas reserves, that are huge. Def not about the people. 2. Truss and her handlers don't want farmers putting solar panels on their land because any off grid clean energy is a threat to the 'old' way. 3. Artificial rise in prices of electricity (that has nothing to do with gas!) despite our wind turbines and nuclear power is to kill EVs at birth and harm Tesla who were on a role until recently. This is precisely what happened at the invention of the light bulb, that even then lasted almost forever. But Edison and the big energy cartel agreed to design lightbulbs to fail and milk the public. Big carbon and corrupt politicians want to control energy, not allow YOU to charge you EV off grid or using 'free' energy. The world really is evil and people like Truss represent that evil.

@brandonsheffield9873 Год назад

That's all it is about. I can't afford green. You saying people prefer their pocket book, is very telling. Your wealthy, us lower income people don't have the luxury of going "green". Although, "green" is just as bad as current energy production.

@brandonsheffield9873 Год назад

@@GudieveNingWhat energy is "free"? Do you have a perpetual energy machine?

@Bbill2k2 Год назад

So a decent modern petrol or diesel car in the past 10 years will be cheaper to run if you can't charge at home. With KWh is looking to increase over 50p KWh early next year. Then factor the purchase price of electric vehicles being considerably more and used market meaning cheaper used cars are still not possible. The vast majority of people can't even afford to buy an electric car, and the running cost savings have been almost completely wiped out.

@ezpoppy55 Год назад

Terrific video as always, Richard. I’m in California. My wife has a VW ID.4 PRO and I have a Model 3SR+, both 2021. With our former vehicles (Toyota minivan and Camry), we had budgeted $300-$400 a month to gas up both. That was just for gas (petrol), not including regular ICE maintenance costs. Charging at home runs us about $0.11 (summer, 4 months) or $0.09 (non summer, 8 months) per kWh. We charge after midnight, and our utility gives a $0.015 discount for EVs. It runs us about $70 non-summer and about $90 summer - total, for both EVs. The VW is about halfway through its 3 years of free charging at Electrify America superchargers. I drove my Tesla over 5,500 miles across the US this past July. It ran me about $500.00 for charging at Tesla Superchargers. A similarly equipped 2021 BMW 3 sedan (specs, options, weight, price new) would have run me about $900 in gas for the same trip (um, I was driving pretty hard…). So even at the pricey superchargers, I saved money. EV is the life for me!

@EV6-Gear Год назад

I have an EV6 . I am sure you priced the EVs as same as ICE cars. I find EVs are costing a lot lot more than same spec ICE cars. Yes EVs are lovely and quiet and so smooth.

@richardmeyrick3418 Год назад

Very informative Richard keep up the good work you are educating us all.makes me now know I made the swap at the right time thankyou again

@raceworx Год назад

This is the thing, EV owner for over 5 years now.. I have needed to use a rapid charger on averge maybe 3 or 4 times a year.. thats nearly 60k miles of driving including holidays. Up and down the country.

@safmaze9307 Год назад

Great info and super excited to collect my model s performance from you guys next week!!

@jonathantaylor1998 Год назад

Always love your content, Richard - dead useful to owning and driving an EV, day-to-day. Thanks, fella. What struck me in particular on this one, though was... oh my goodness... 4 miles/kWh on that Cupra Born...??? That's WAY more than I imagined that drivetrain would be capable of over that kind of journey...! 😲

@SirHackaL0t. Год назад

You’re graphic at @6:06 shows 85p per mile which isn’t correct for 4m/kWh @ 34p kWh. It should show £0.085 instead of £0.85!

@angryofmayfair7091 Год назад

Comparing running costs are one thing but what about the practicalities? Not everyone has a driveway to charge the car at home so you have to find a charge station which are few and far between or trail cables across the pavement . Then there's charge time, not all stations are super fast and frequently not unoccupied by another vehicle and then there's the initial cost of an ev, considerably more than a petrol car then there's range, at the moment they can't compete with most petrol cars also they tend to be more expensive to insure. So many variables to take into account when deciding which way to go before getting your next vehicle.

@hareshkaria9367 Год назад

Thanks Rich for another informative video - much easier to understand without doing the leg work - keep it up

@grahamsalmons2027 Год назад

Video is so timely for me, and highly topical. Spot on! I4 40 is on order and despite the energy price increases I’m happy it’s the right choice for me. What I would say is of course buying a new car (or changing your car) is way more expensive than the running costs. So you don’t change to save money! But it’s a nice benefit in the equation if you are looking for your next car!

@BigidyBooh Год назад

When you get it go on octopus intelligent, 7.5p overnight tariff 11.40-5.30

@grahamsalmons2027 Год назад

@@BigidyBooh thanks for the tip, unfortunately the combination of BMW and my charge box are not supported (according to the app). None of the providers are quoting EV rates at the moment, I check every day!

@richb326 Год назад

Test drove an i4 and a Model 3 yesterday. Loved the i4 but worried about charging infrastructure on 20-25k miles each year for non Tesla cars

@grahamsalmons2027 Год назад

@@richb326 Totally understand this! At least the BM has a decent charging speed, and the range is pretty good if you respect motorway speed limits. One of my huge concerns is what will happen to that range in deep winter - I have a 240 mile round trip I do, am hoping I won’t need to stop for a top up! That is a benefit of a Tesla, but having tried them both I just found the i4 superior in almost every other respect

@BigidyBooh Год назад

@@grahamsalmons2027 ah no you have to call them up, you can get ‘go’

@nickieredshaw7835 Год назад

Thanks for another great update video just the things people forget

@casperhansen826 Год назад

I saved a small fortune the first month with my new Tesla Model Y compared to my old Diesel, in the second month I expect to save even more, my insurance is just about the same

@Richard_Barnes Год назад

I wish I could afford one. I'm gonna end up leasing. Enjoy the Tesla, epic 🙂👍🏻

@vasileiospetropoulos2046 Год назад

But you spent 40.000 more to buy it! Hahaha

@casperhansen826 Год назад

@@vasileiospetropoulos2046 depends, a luxurious ICE car that do 0-60 in 5 seconds ain't cheap

@maxflight777 Год назад

And it’s a much nicer place to be !! 👍😂

@maxflight777 Год назад

@@vasileiospetropoulos2046 who cares ? It’s the cost of ownership that matters.

@davidlewis4399 Год назад

Be interesting to do this again in Feb next year when the electricity price goes up again and the EV range is down 20% due to cold weather. No Clutch Oils servicing is replaced by higher insurance and tyre costs for starters and the insane extra up fron cost compared to ICE.

@joemartino6976 Год назад

I have a BMW i4 eDrive40 on order. I currently pay about 13 cents per KWH here in Southeast Virginia and the cost to fully charge the i4 at home will be about $10.50, yielding a projected range of 300 miles. At today's cost of $3.29/gallon, my Toyota 4Runner, averaging 19MPG, costs just under $52 to go the same distance.

@entity_dragons2013 Год назад

I have had my cupra born v3 for 5 month's, love it.. only thing to add us insurance can be at least 200quid more as well

@scottcameron8936 Год назад

Thanks just the video I needed. Nissan Ariya arriving next year.

@alexandertodd4347 Год назад

This video, whilst excellent, highlights the challenges faced by those of us running EVs without the ability to charge at home/work. It’s getting pretty dear 😅

@RSEV Год назад

Indeed.. home charging still ok but public only is indeed challenging

@stuartburns8657 Год назад

The price difference between an equivalent EV vs ICE model buys an awful lot of dead tree juice! I still think unless you do considerable mileage in a relatively low mgp ice vehicle, it not as clear cut 'saving' wise as is made out.

@adamk2788 Год назад

Another great video myth busting!. Keep up the great content 😊

@rogerfinch7651 Год назад

Motorway petrol is a lot more than the national average you used. Kinda useful to show that worse case to compare with the 66p public charging. Great video 😊

@MrNeeds Год назад

Worst case is Osprey at £1/kWh, 66p is a bargain nowadays on Gridserve.

@garyrooksby Год назад

Great point. Trying to be "overly fair" by comparing worst-case charging costs with national average petrol/diesel costs. Also there are congestion charges and low emission zone charges that are avoided (as long as you remember to register!) added to the road tax and employment tax benefits. To that the naysayers respond with "but the EVs cost more to buy". To that I again say "compare like-for-like". Price up an ICE car that does 0-60 in < 5 seconds and has this level of tech and compare.

@mikadavies660 Год назад

Good video.... Totally agree with the mpg calculations. However, we are all currently being over charged for a "wall box" (home charger). Over £1,000 would buy a lot of fuel... Maybe for the first year of owning an EV... It would work out the same as just filling up with petrol / diesel? However, one area that constantly annoys me is the "assumption" that people have a spare £15k to £20k for home solar with a battery pack... Giving that person free electricity.... Its not free... It is 10 years of electricity paid for in advance! Now if we paid the same for solar as Australians... It might be attractive?? But we don't because we are being ripped off for that in the UK as well.

@Ben-gm9lo Год назад

While I acknowledge that those that commute large distances really need a 7 KW wall box, many of us leading more relaxed lifestyles don't need a wall box. I happily charge my Model S by a 13 amp connection. I can add 100 miles overnight...

@djtaylorutube Год назад

When I got my EV charger, I could have had a 16A one free on the government grant. I paid the extra £100 for a 32A version, didn't even need to own an EV to get it. We got solar installed at the top FIT rate so it was a no brainer because it guaranteed 25 years of FIT payments which are currently 60p per kWh. Yes it was an up front payment but with a payback of at least six times over. No reason not to.

@mikadavies660 Год назад

@@Ben-gm9lo It is not just you.... Its every review. Of course wealthy already saw the benefits... No problem. £60k Tesla, Solar, Tesla battery pack etc.... But the rest of us are very financially concerned with everything that is impacting us and we can't just pop out with 80k in our pockets to save the planet. The mpg information was indeed very useful and realistic. Thanks

@mikadavies660 Год назад

@@djtaylorutube Based on having money or the credit rating to say... "wow its a no-brained" I've waited 4 months for my wall box... That was advertised by a British Company as monthly installments. Finally when they get to me with an installation date.... It is £1,400 up front "that includes your government grant"..... Clearly I told them to go forth and multiply!!! Solar is the same... Crammed full of Cowboy outfits and prices of double those in Australia....

@mikadavies660 Год назад

@@djtaylorutube Oh... and my first ever wallbox in 2014 was £1,700.....!!! Thank god Amazon sell them for £325...!! It's as simple as wiring a plug.

@louishiggins8881 Год назад

I also have a Cupra Born on order 😁. On a similar journey to yours, my mk7 GTI (similar performance) would do 40+ mpg - no where near the 80+ needed to compete with an EV 😂. But there are a couple of other factors to take into account; Car tax for my GTI is £170/y vs £0/y for the Born 🙂. But, an EV home charger will cost £900ish to install (maybe more if a complex installation) + you need off street parking ☹️. Also, I speced up a mk8 GTI, it was actually £3000 cheaper than the Born ☹️. So why buy the Born - madness - but I think EVs are just more interesting than the same old ICE cars 😂.

@djt6546 Год назад

Unfortunately regardless of economy, many people find the ride in an EV rather nauseating. I hope engineers can overcome this sooner rather than later as they develop the ride handling characteristics with newer models.

@mattmecham Год назад

Great video. I've had my first EV, a MY for about 2 weeks now and I never want to go back. Costs £2 overnight charging to put back 120 miles of range. Totally agree about driving in traffic. The MY is a dream. Very quiet, very smooth and instant power when you need it. TACC also excellent to soak up the stop start miles. Your channel started my EV journey, so thanks!

@maxflight777 Год назад

Download acceleration boost !

@johns4651 Год назад

What is a MY??? Some crypto speak or secret code?

@mattmecham Год назад

@@johns4651 Tesla Model Y

@jasonsaddington7821 Год назад

I only public charge, my car is a hyundai kona big battery, I get around around 300 miles to a full charge and cost wise £35 , my old car was a ford fiesta ST which would get about 300 to a full tank cost £55 pound so for me a saving.

@simonhobbs9097 Год назад

EV broadly half the fuel cost, but sticking point for many is still the premium cost of the EV as new and secondhand market short on supply and as a result achieving ptemium prices. Looking forward to the 100,000+ miler Tesla chauffeurs review to see if there is a cheaper entry point?

@devonbikefilms Год назад

Indeed, but you get more back when you sell them, my eNiro is so much cheaper to run than the Volvo V70 that preceded it, and the servicing cost are a third of the Volvo. Say it quietly, but it’s much nicer to drive as well. The economics of an EV is noticeably better, my eNiro after a year and 6000 odd miles has depreciated by less than £2000. Buy an MG4 and it’s almost as “cheap” as an equivalent VW Golf to buy.

@solefreak2 Год назад

Need a vid with a full breakdown and calculation of how you get to them figures.. Edit - figured out the calcs to get to these figures! Crazy how you'd need an equivalent petrol or diesel car to do approx. 90mpg to match that of the leccy car

@davelocktalk 10 месяцев назад

People need to start complaining to government to get these prices down

@15bit62 Год назад

As an additional point of reference to this data, i ran round from central Norway to the UK (and back) this summer and did about 7450km (~4600 miles) total. My total charging away from home came to 1380kWh including losses. That was on a variety of fast and slow chargers (hotels, car parks etc.). Total cost for charging was about £905, which equates to about 19.6p per mile (about 0.14€ per km). It is difficult to calculate an exact ICE cost per mile as i don't have the prices for each country, but some rough estimates suggests to me that it would be about the same, maybe a bit less. Give or take 10% (which is a fair margin for people actually noticing a difference), i would say the Model 3 and something like an Octavia would come out cost-equal on fuel. For sure there was no compelling case either way for me using only public charging across europe. I would stress that these numbers are based on total energy used as reported by the chargers, not on the efficiency values that the car displays. They are properly accurate.

@maxflight777 Год назад

May I kindly ask ? Did you use the “new” ferry from the Netherlands? Do you have any “Norway” tips ? (Hoping to explore Norway .. I live in the Algarve with my MY.

@15bit62 Год назад

@@maxflight777 - I didn't use the new ferry, as it was fully booked for the dates i wanted. My neighbour took it though, and said it was very good. I am planning to use it next summer. As for tips. Well my first tip would be to save up plenty of money, as Norway is not cheap. Otherwise the whole of the south west and west coast is full of great places to visit. It is hard to go wrong really. Norwegians tend to take vacation through July, and because of how north we are the summer tends to come a bit later than mainland europe. So late july-early august usually has the best weather. You don't need to learn too much language as everyone speaks english. Do spend a little time learning the road rules before you come though (especially bus lanes), and don't ignore the speed limits cos the fines are quite high. There are a lot of road tolls, which are done by number plate recognition or a electronic reader (autopass). I don't know if you can order those from abroad, or maybe you have something already with a reciprocal agreement. If you don't have one they will send you a invoice in the post. Good luck with the trip

@tonyshipton8896 Год назад

@@15bit62 how well would a Tesla Model S around 2015 have done.... they have free supercharging for life! pickup for between £20-30k £1k per 5k Miles or free? in 50k Miles that's a whole lot of savings

@15bit62 Год назад

@@tonyshipton8896 - I know people with early Model S's and the ones who use the superchargers a lot have saved a fortune. You don't get the same range and charging speed with an early S as you do with a current Tesla. So it is a trade-off of sorts. I had 1 year free supercharging with my car and it saved me 600 quid or so.

@tonyshipton8896 Год назад

@@15bit62 I’m getting just under 300miles…

@Jaw0lf Год назад

I love that you keep correcting the bad headlines and showing with real world. I never understand how people don't want to save money and argue against it so much!

@brandonsheffield9873 Год назад

I also have a done a lot of Math. I found that its actually much cheaper to own and operate an ICE ford truck than its EV sister. On average I would save $600 per month over the lifetime of a 7 year loan. This includes maintenance cost. My current Ford truck, maintenance is free for several years. I haven't had to pay for a single oil change/ vehicle checkup. Still have a few years to go. I paid just a couple hundred dollars for the premium plan. The total cost of a lightning Truck and cost of loan would average out around $95,000.( I can not afford that $1k per month car bill), but its ICE big brother, tops out at $49,000 ($600/ month car bill). Plus no out of pocket maintenance fees, Insurance cost is lower, and gas monthly is about $150. However, fuel cost is mute, because the lightning adds about the same cost to my electric bill (electricity rates have skyrocketed) So i actually pay less for my ICE truck. Both in the short term and in the long term. A savings of $400 per month for driving an ICE truck 400x 12mo. =$4800.00 per year X 7 yrs. Loan = $33,000 Total savings VS an EV truck. Feel free to correct me.

@Krysstophe Год назад

Great video as usual. I'd really love to see one of these done with home charging completely excluded, as most running cost vids show charging at home on cheap tariffs or using the elusive free supercharger miles from referrals. I've got no way of installing a charger at home so it's out of the question for me, as it is for quite a few UK households without off street parking. My model 3 RWD should be arriving at the end of November and it's leaving me a bit nervous, as I can't find any chargers around me below 50p/kWh. Still cheaper than petrol I guess! A breakdown on costs using various public chargers with different costs only would be ace!

@Jaw0lf Год назад

For interest our local Tesco Store, uses podpoint and has 2x7kWh AC that are free, 2x22kWh AC that are free and then a 50kWh charger priced at 0.28p per kWh. So some deals are available still, if you hunt around. Hopefully certain charges on the electricity will be moved onto gas and reduce prices for us.

@Krysstophe Год назад

@@Jaw0lf damn, Bristol must just be extortionately expensive for charging then. There's a free ones here and there but they're supermarket chargers at 7kwh with (usually) 90 mins max stay. Aside from that, using zap map I can't find anything less than 45p/kWh, and anything over 7kwh is at least 50-60p/kWh. Supercharging is basically the same price!

@markhuitson218 Год назад

EVs;, great in the south where there is better charging infrastructure...and the journeys are a little more ‘compact’ but try stopping at certain Scottish motorway service halts... and wait to use the Tesla charging stations... every day the car parks choke with waiting Teslas....

@richardpeddie2060 Год назад

FYI - ChargePlaceScotland still charges 38p connection and 19p kWh, cheaper than plugging in at home unless your on a special tariff

@Brian-om2hh Год назад

I don't know about Scotland, but here in England, EDF had their EV off-peak tariff at 4.5p per kwh, and Octopus Energy were 7.5p per kwh. But I'm not sure if they're taking on new customers at the moment.

@cotswoldphotographers Год назад

Take your point and agree for the most part. Key is having access to a home charger however depending on how many cars run in your household charging might become more of an issue. However for me the most crippling cost to EV ownership is the cost of the vehicle compared to ICE. Now that’s inflation that none of us can really swallow in the current climate. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for electric cars but you can’t ignore the overall cost.

@tesla-spectre Год назад

Brilliant video as always!❤

@ZEFElectric Год назад

Hi Richard. For a fair price comparison, we should also add charging losses on top of the average Wh/km(mile) - between 5% and 10%. Adding that on the picture and charging on fast chargers, it will start to be comparable with ICE if we only look at fuel but as you say, there is also the maintenance part but also, more important, most of us hardly charge on fast charges. There are also other opportunities with EV like solar energy or occasionally “opportunistic” free charging which is getting less and less popular but still exist in some areas. Cheers!

@Ben-gm9lo Год назад

In addition to charging losses there is also EV phantom drain. I lose dozens of miles a month to parked battery drain. Clearly this differs from model to model, but to those of us low mileage types who leave Sentry mode on and other battery draining features (full wifi settings for example) this drain is quite alarming in the big picture. Sorry for getting nit picky!

@ZEFElectric Год назад

@@Ben-gm9lo fair point but that’s a choice you can make. Sentry mode in a Model 3 uses indeed a lot if kept on for long time (about 225W). For that reason, I hardly use it mainly in some suspicious areas for short period. Having said that, I was able to catch on camera someone causing a dent on my car but I also miss another one when the sentry was off :(. Talking about Sentry Mode, another annoying aspect is on a rainy night you will get hundreds of alerts which undermines the whole purpose as you will not watch all these clips… I’m not familiar with other EVs in regards to their vampire drain.

@jadamsnz Год назад

@@Ben-gm9lo Sentry mode can set to be off at home and/or work automatically if that would be appropriate for your situation.

@dlevans01 9 месяцев назад

Battery replacement is roughly 10,000 at 100,000 miles or 0.10 per mile. Add that to the .085...

@karl7796 Год назад

Some of the problems of electric cars are initial cost, you cannot drive to end of the battery capacity, if you keep the car long enough the battery replacement will soak up all your savings, and if you have a power black out you are stuck. A Jerry can of fuel in the shed is quicker.

@FancyaBevMate Год назад

Every day I always say to customers in my taxi even if bevs where exactly the same running costs as ice vehicles for the silence and convenience of bevs I'd hate to have to go back to ice vehicles. Cheers for the video

@buzzpedrotti5401 Год назад

This trade off depends whether you live where regional government helps it's citizens or feeds on them. In PGEs North CA in Nov '22, the residential Tier 2 electricity rate is 40c per kWh. The current regular octane gasoline price is about $5.30 per (US)g. Under these conditions; 1. A 3.2 mi/kWh EV charging at 90% efficiency gets 7 mi per $1. 2. A 32 average mpg mid-sized hybrid gets 6 mi per dollar. 3. A normal 22.5 mpg vehicle gets 4.5 m per $1. 4. Bump up to a 40+ MPG Prius or consume at a higher residential Tier or a fast charger rate and it nearly balances out. 5. Installing a new residential circuit with a steady-state high capacity and dedicated 30 A Level 2 charger will cost $1k -$2k after meeting code and inspection requirements. In CA, citizens without clout have no friend from government, indeed they are sheep to be shorn and sworn by the Sacramento green magisterium. A base ~ achievable 220-mi-range 2wd Model 3 will sell here for about $50k with tax and license beginning next year after updated federal incentives. A hybrid RAV4, or Camry XLE will sell for about $35k. A 2wd Hybrid crew -cab Maverick about $27k. Typical financing adds about 15% to the typical purchase. Insurance rates double from $1000 per annum to $2000 converting to a new, higher cost car. The sensible frugal choice is first to keep your paid off, good running current vehicle running ALAP.

@chargeheadsuk Год назад

Great test Richard, this will be shared. 👍⚡️🌿

@garethlindahl-wise6728 Год назад

Another great factual video. Would be interesting to model a 450 mile trip (100% from domestic then whatever for the chosen car to get home again on public charging)

@richardegan1290 Год назад

Excellent video. Unfortunately for many people, the option of home charging doesn’t apply, as on street parking prevents that convenience.

@Brian-om2hh Год назад

But it needn't, because you can ask your Local Authority to install a grid in the pavement outside your home, to allow a charging cable to pass beneath the surface of the pavement. The funding to allow this is available to most, if not all Local Authorities, and they can apply for it if you request a grid.

@richardegan1290 Год назад

@@Brian-om2hh That’s fine if you can guarantee a parking space, but in an area where it’s sometimes necessary to park some distance away, even several streets, the problem cannot be resolved as easily as you imagine.

@johndoyle4723 Год назад

Thanks,yes, we just laugh at the scare headlines in the media. If you are lucky enough to have off road parking, then it is about 2 pence per mile on Octopus night tariff. I do not mind paying 60p/Kwh at a rapid charger, a bit like paying the huge price for petrol at service stations, you pay for convenience. As you mentioned you can easily do do 10-20K miles/year and never visit a public charger.

@kithran Год назад

Fun fact as of last month there was at least one tesla super charger in the uk charging _less_ than the energy cap, and indeed is cheaper than charging at home during the day.

@humphreybradley3060 Год назад

Great video Richard, just heard that Osprey have raised their price to £1 per KWh! Won’t be using them again!

@tdmguy850 Год назад

I think your findings are interesting but not representative imho. The cars you used were new. What about a battery that's 5 or 10 years old, most car owners myself included have a car in that age range. If I leave my 8yr old diesel unused on the drive for a few weeks it'll still have the same amount of fuel in, how much charge will an 8yr old battery loose in the same amount of time. What about winter driving using heaters my car doesn't use any more fuel to warm the cabin, electric heat would cane the battery. My engine is unaffected by damp and moisture can the same be said for electric? How much electric is used for air con vs combustion engine. You make a great point about charging from home being cheaper but you haven't taken into consideration the amount of tax on petrol and diesel, I strongly believe that electric for home charging will be heavily taxed once enough people have been suckered into owning.

@scotlandsk Год назад

Add the purchase price difference. Add couple of passengers. Load the boot.

@rogerstarkey5390 Год назад

Which part of "compare it to a *comparable* ICE car did you miss? BMW M3? £70+ list, plus "options"?

@djtaylorutube Год назад

You forgot to add the caravan too

@iainhogg5245 Год назад

Fortunately at my age I will not be forced into buying one of these EVs, perfectly happy with my little diesel and it's road tax exempt..not interested.

@simonstokes1574 Год назад

I'm not a Tesla fan boy. I have a plug in hybrid which averages easily 100mpge . The highest problem with cars is depreciation not running costs and that's where teslas clean up they just don't depreciate like petrol/diesel cars . I think plugins will improve depreciation wise in the future because the engines hardly ever run so should run for years more, but despite the upfront costs you can't beat electric cars for overall

@ApolloDL4 Год назад

A lad I know has the perfect set up for his ev, he lives next to a tesco and charges for free as it one of the few supermarkets without a time limit in place.

@wfdTamar Год назад

Most notable thing is the horrible mish mash or imperial and metric = miles/kwh! About time the UK went completely metric! I did think it odd not to at least put up figures also showing the calculation with the home on an EV type tariff. Who in their right mind would be charging at the 34p rate at home? However I suppose the point of the video is to show worst case EV costs vs ICE. Actually worst case EV would be no home charging, which you did mention, but calculations for that would be interesting too.

@antoniopalmero4063 Год назад

I know the area well , lived in Westbourne and the triangle for years , some really nice places in that part of Dorset.👍🇬🇧

@filipersimoes Год назад

Great video! Are you going to do a video with the new Model Y RWD? Thanks

@Radhatter1 Год назад

When I lived in Hong Kong I never used a public charger or supercharger in 10 years I owned a Roadster, Model S 85 and a M3P. I moved back to the U.K. and living in an Air bnb for the past 3 months until my home purchase goes through. I only use public chargers and superchargers and have spent about £400 on charging 😅

@siamwar71 Год назад

My lexus is300h 2.5l hybrid taxi will do between 48 and 54 mpg, the car cost me £21000 at 3 year old, £399/month load. So with most electric cars with enough range to do the job would cost over £30000 for the car, costing more for monthly loan payments, making it cheaper to run a hybrid with the price of energy now. I had the ioniq electric before this for about 8 months. 160 mile range in summer, it lost 30 mile in the winter and another 20 to 30 mile range if I had the heater on all day. Every rapid charger I went to was out of order or not switched on. Had to change it as soon as possible so I lost £3000 in trade.

@liamsxa Год назад

interest rates will kill them with nobody wanting to run one out f warranty because of battery failure problems and buying new at current hpi rates makes them completely unaffordable when the running cost aren't too far away now factor in our 4-5 month winters and range dropping 30% during those times. using fast chargers when you need to

@davidcharlton7765 Год назад

Surely though, the monthly pcp cost of the ev is more than the equivalent petrol and needs to be factored into cost?

@davidcharlton7765 Год назад

for example, a Corsa petrol car is £254 deposit, and £254 per month. the cheapest Corsa E is £5000 deposit, and £335 per month, that HAS to be factored into pence per me costs over the life of the PCP

@rogerhudson2814 Год назад

The reduced service and repair costs are a major factor ,but are difficult to quantify per journey. Also electric car are aesthetically better than smelly clattering diesels.

@jasonsheehan7618 Год назад

maybe add the cost of the new electric cars and a cost of Battery replacement in an average of 8 years, also the cost of adding home chargers and solar panels etc.. and these charging prices when more popular will treble and there is no doubt about that!, also how much non recyclable plastics and non recyclable batteries of course, i think going greener is a myth for the foreseeable future.. but thank you for your points in this video :)

@Sank1982 11 месяцев назад

Yep and charge between 00.00 & 05.00 with octopus energy on EV tariff and I’m paying 7.5p per kw also lets not for get as you stated the performance advantage to what gas car can do 0-60 in less than 5 seconds and get 80 mpg Also, a lot of these charging companies also offer a subscription where you can get 30% off. This is great. If you do lots of miles and need to use rapid charger more often.

@richardholland7759 Год назад

With prices being so expensive, you should mention some of the apps. E.g. Bonnet - if you’re prepared to prepay £80 a month, you get charges at FastNed, Ionity, Osprey and others supported by Bonnet at 40p per kWh. Even a £9 a month top up on Bonnet lets you charge for 45p per kWh. I just did a round trip from London to Berwick upon Tweed in my Tesla, using exclusively Ionity and Fastned via Bonnet, and the 800 miles cost me £80.

@markwebber4699 Год назад

This is true tho this is assuming everyone In the UK can charge at home, which clearly isn't the case. I did the maths and actually although a massive ev advocate since i got my first ev 8 years ago, I actually talked my brother out of a ev until he has a house where he can change at home. He current manual diesel kia has averaged just over 70mpg over 80k miles and 8 years he's owned it.

@Creelyblades 11 месяцев назад

very interesting. Here in the US typical domestic electric is about 12 P per kilowatt hour, and the 34P that you guys are paying for home electric is slightly above average for a tesla supercharger rate.