Electro Harmonix Metal Muff | Why I HATE This Pedal!

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@floridapunkarchivist 2 года назад

Your Marshall settings are literally trash so your base sound going out into this pedal automatically voids your review. Learn what a good sound is to be able to determine whether the pedal works or not

@RobertWJackson 2 года назад

That signal is as clean as any other amp out there, douchebag. Don’t get all butthurt just because you didn’t find the purchase validation you were clearly looking for here. 🤣🤣🤣🤦🏻‍♂️

@SixDifferentWays. Год назад

@@RobertWJackson my man, you can’t say anything you literally look like if Gabriel Iglesias and Walter White had a threesome with corpsegrinder and somehow birthed a child, defying biology itself

@UpcomingJedi 11 месяцев назад

He is right. Playing loud doestnt mask bad settings. When i find a good setting i take a picture.

@gunnerjenson 2 месяца назад

With you man, this plum fool could maybe review a cake site.

@BetOXx5 5 лет назад

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF got the muff almost 8 years ago,,, and sounds awesome.... works perfectly !!!! live shows....home,,, studio,,,, and always used this pedal....! i like it !!! nothing more to say!

@josepcla 5 лет назад

He just can't tweak the knobs right. He just hates himself. And his crappy 900...

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

Ah, the Metal Muff fanboys... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@josepcla 5 лет назад

@@RobertWJackson Actually, I got mine 3 hours ago, and liking it so far. Did you realize that your video sounds great on some settings? And I really hate that 900 hahaha.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

Wow, trolls are usually dudes! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

Please take note that you mentioned I "unintentionally have plenty of acoustic padding directly behind the guitar body." Now, let's go to your channel and see the caption next to your Welcome video, shall we? This is hilarious! Here is the caption on Dawn R's Welcome video, the first thing you see when you go to her channel: It takes more effort to be nasty than it does to be nice. If you don't like my content, please just move on, but please don't "Dislike" my content just because you feel mean and nasty. It really honestly does hurt my feelings and my channel. Thanks! Dawnie In other words, "Dawnie", this makes you a giant hypocrite.

@goldtopgrandeur6935 5 лет назад

Wait...so, you set all knobs at noon...moved a couple this way or that for 1-2 on the clock and you weren't happy? No shit. Dial in a sound that works for your guitar and amp. Then leave it. I really don't see the point in what you're doing...other than sharpening the bone you already had to pick with this pedal, EH or both. Maybe you did more after the 7 or so minute mark...but I didn't watch past that. 22 minutes on why you don't like something? Again, I'm not seeing the point.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

You seem pissed. See the point now? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@mechinizer6911 4 года назад

I agree! I couldn't watch much, either. Once I seen all the knobs in the exact same position and him only moving one slightly and acting like the sound was the pedal's fault instead of the operator's I had to laugh. Of course it's going to sound like shit if he doesn't know how to use it. I've had one for over ten years and love it. Looks like he needs an amp with presets, where the "knob" are all set for him. Guitar store jockey. LOL! The reason it didn't sound impressive is because it simply wasn't, but it wasn't the pedal's fault.

@RobertWJackson 4 года назад

I REALLY hope you’re smart enough to understand that this entire video is meant to be a joke, right? 🤦🏻‍♂️

@mechinizer6911 4 года назад

@@RobertWJackson It was a joke? Didn't seem like one. You literally bashed the pedal for the entire video and in pretty much every comment you've made in the discussion, even with fallacies as there not being diodes on the "cleaner" channel of the amp when schematics show otherwise. I'm pretty sure you were serious, which would have been okay if you actually had it set up correctly. I run mine through a Fender and active EMGs and it screams, not muddy at all. Maybe you just got a bad one or your combination of equipment doesn't suit it well.

@anthonydavella8350 4 года назад

@@RobertWJackson Hey Rob, fwiw this pedal is best used as a lower gain boost for solos believe it or not. The boost function is the worse shit ever but using this for super saturated lead tones is actually viable. That being said, there are way too many pedals to fight one you dont like

@grungeman2745 6 лет назад

Then again does a JCM 900 sound good with any dirt pedals? I would recommend trying it with an actual clean channel rather than a classic gain type Marshall channel. Perhaps a Fender or Mesa. JCM 900s have diodes in the preamp I believe so it's already kind of boosted.

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

I ran it through the clean channel dude. Hence the clean signal that the pedal was running through at the very beginning of the demo. No dirt at all., no diodes, no nothing. What you hear is what you get. Other distortion pedals sound just fine through this amp, as I’ve used it in countless other videos featuring a distortion pedal through the clean channel of my 900. This pedal just sounds like shit.

@grungeman2745 6 лет назад

I'm not saying that the pedal doesn't sound like shit just that in my experience the "clean" channel on a JCM 900 isn't the best at taking pedals.

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Nah, this model actually does okay with it. Mine is a first year 4100 Dual Reverb, which still came with EL34’s before they switched the 4100’s over to 5881’s, so it’s actually a little cleaner than most 4100’s. I will admit it that it IS temperamental with a lot of effects pedals, particularly through the effects loop, but distortion pedals through the front into the clean channel tend to behave pretty well. Sorry if I came off a little harsh in my previous comment, I had just finished responding to some troll telling me that I’m wrong. LOL

@MrSimondaniel3 6 лет назад

a Muff usually sounds better into a little dirt rather than pure clean. from what i know... im not much of a fuzz guy.

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

This isn’t a fuzz at all, though. The Metal Muff is a straight distortion pedal. I think EHX just gave it the “Muff” moniker for marketing purposes to sell more of them, seeing as the Big Muff and all of its various incarnations are EHX’s most popular pedals.

@grantbeck8482 4 года назад

I personally like the metal muff and the normal big muff, but I get that you don’t like it and that’s ok

@xxmuddy 5 лет назад

I got Metal Muff now and sounds GREAT. I have Torque 100W combo with 12inch speaker. I have all Bass/Mid/Treble to noon and I have to use Treble boost on with knob setting to 9-11! But I believe it must be connected directly to power amp. Connecting to clean channel is usually wrong too. So if Metal Muff does not sound good (and many hated pedals) it is due to bad usage.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@kidthorazine 3 года назад

Ive had one of these since when they came out. Originally used it to add dirt to a 70 tube bass amp and it worked great, now I use it to add sludge to my Peavy Triple X for doom and black metal, and it works great. I will give you that it doesnt do modern metal very well at all and is insanely hard to dial in for classic metal, but it fills a very important niche for me and has been on my board for over a decade, only thing thats lasted longer is my modded Crybaby.

@mcolby7214 4 года назад

I dug mine up to try a cheap ibanez rg450 out through a fender rumble 25. Lowkey it's pretty good

@Mr.Goldbar 6 лет назад

Would you check out the Pocket and Nano versions? Are they as bad as the regular one

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Never played either one of them, but based on my experience with this one... Nope. LOL

@milograves5125 4 года назад

Sounds amazing through an Orange cr120...just my opinion...to each their own

@ummmokay6246 4 года назад

Evrething is an opinion, brother evreyone has one its just a differant point of view...if all was the same that would suck...

@sourayanbiswas4591 2 года назад

Thanks for this video. I'm a huge fan of EH's modulation units. Fuzz/distortion pedals are not my cup of tea anyways. Does the metal muff have a mild wah like tone when on?

@RobertWJackson 2 года назад

Not to my ear. I think the tone of the Metal Muff is basically just pure garbage. LOL

@lathrasher1460 5 лет назад

I have this pedal, and sounds good in my amp.

@isolirionband7300 4 года назад

Dgot this pedal me too and it's amazing!

@A_LoadedPotato_ 3 года назад

Same

@comrade_horse8932 4 года назад

This pedal sounds great on my amp. It’s kinda hard to dial in some good sound but for me I love this pedal, I’ve had it for about a year and I haven’t had any problems.

@noahperkins2623 5 лет назад

when used right, and messed with, the Metal Muff works great. Yes you can scoop mids and trebb and crank that dist for max metalzz. but you can get a great punchy thrash tone if you put your mids at 10-11 oclock and your treb at 12-1 oclock. Yes the trebble is not very flexable, but it does work well

@makemoneyrelax 6 лет назад

how much money do you spend on gear? I have only 2 guitars :( and jvm

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Uh, A LOT. LOL But all of the gear that you see behind me in my videos is a lifetime of collecting it and getting rid of very little of it along the way. I’ve been fortunate that I’ve gotten to keep everything that I’ve ever bought and never been in a position that I HAD to sell something.

@thesnowghost1 2 года назад

Your thoughts what would recommend to buy a metal distortion pedal

@thesnowghost1 2 года назад

If you can It would to find out some of best acoustic guitar electric acoustic guitars

@Bbh4535 5 лет назад

the trick with distortion pedals is to use them as a preamp and avoid the preamp part of your amp ; plug it in to directly to the fx loop completely avoiding the front, big difference, I own it, I made a 40$ Harely benton pedal sound good doing that way,

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

I’m familiar. 😉 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C7m0DNsvQxI.html

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

However, it’s still just a workaround, and one that sacrifices the use of my effects loop.

@zombiemosher1139 3 года назад

@@RobertWJackson not really cause you can put your effects after the pedal & it will be exactly the same as using the loop normally.

@RobertWJackson 3 года назад

But then what’s the point of having an amp with a preamp section? I might as well sell all of my tube amps at that point and just buy a Crown power amp or something and be done with it.

@zombiemosher1139 3 года назад

@@RobertWJackson I'm not saying there is no point in it but you said that buy running it in the fx return you are sacrificing the fx loop, I'm saying your not. The fx loop is only beneficial if your your using the amp gain.

@ZaktanVR 6 лет назад

Have you played any of the new MK series B.C Rich guitars?

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

A few of them. Unfortunately I was pretty underwhelmed, at least with the ones I played.

@kobepowell8752 4 года назад

Anyone know if it sounds decent through an fx loop as a preamp?

@RobertWJackson 4 года назад

Nope, still garbage.

@SupaSavage24 3 года назад

Only way to find out is to discover your own tone that you like. Videos like this can be good points of reference but at the end of the day it’s all opinion

@themanascribe 4 года назад

How do you get it to sound like that? Is it just the pedal or is there something else?

@RobertWJackson 4 года назад

Nothing else involved. Just the pedal plugged straight into the clean channel of an amp.

@themanascribe 4 года назад

@@RobertWJackson Ok, I'll have to play with it more then. Thanks

@kalebskungfucinema 4 года назад

Sorry to hear you’re not a fan of the metal muff. I happen to think it’s one of the better “metal pedals”, as I’ve seen numerous demos where this thing sounds great. Probably not something I would personally use since I’m not much of a metal guy. I’ve grown to enjoy a Big Muff boosted by a Tube Screamer.

@RobertWJackson 4 года назад

I know the Metal Muff is popular, but I don’t jive with that pedal at all, and I’ve owned three of them.

@TheSactoSmile 6 лет назад

Thurston Moore from Sonic Youth gets quite a lot of usable tone from this on his recent solo stuff. Go check out Rock 'n' roll Consciousness or maybe Chelsea Light Moving, whenever you hear MASSIVE distortion, it's this guy. Just goes to show, a pedal that says METAL on it that's useless for metal is bound to be usable for something else. Cheers man, great videos!

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Thanks man!

@iridios6127 6 лет назад

Just for fun --- put some low output guitar into it . May be vintage japanese (1.7--3.5 k dc resistance per pickup) ??

@heckler73 5 лет назад

You don't know about the secret settings?

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@rebelgium2681 6 лет назад

dammit @robert. im thinking all day of what song that riff is you play before the "pantera -im broken " one little help anyone? :D also i have that muff. but havent touched that in a year.

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Bark At The Moon!

@rebelgium2681 6 лет назад

oh my god YES. seriously i was thinking of it all day :p now im kicking myself for notcoming up with it :p and on topic. i used to love the pedal. with a solid state amp you can doe cool stuff but with my jcm900 its just god awfull. metalzone all over again :D

@kiddboifr3sh219 5 лет назад

I’ve had great success with this pedal, I run it through my Vox Ac30. Took a little tweaking but sounds great on my rig. I think that’s the wrong head to use it with just my two cents.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

I’ve ran them through my Marshall, my Randall Diavlo, my Crate Blue Voodoo when I had it, my Dual Rectifier when I had it, the Panama heads that I own... Sounds just like this through all of them.

@kiddboifr3sh219 5 лет назад

You are naming some pretty metal amps, like I said I run it through an ac30. And it works, I’m not saying you are wrong it may sound horrible with those.

@p.p.b.businessstrategies6333 5 лет назад

How would that pedal sound on a wampler bravado

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

I’m the wrong person to ask because I hate through anything. LOL

@cybrunel1016 5 лет назад

Most distortions and fuzz pedals sound like sh*t through the front. I use mine through the " Return " and bypass the pre-amp altogether.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C7m0DNsvQxI.html

@andrewtschuta2627 5 лет назад

I owned one of these and always found it to be too harsh and borderline fuzzy similar to a Big Muff which is probably intentional.

@joshuakozee5719 6 лет назад

were those some Quake 2 sound track riffs? I loved that game soo much, shout out to the 90s lol

@CasualtiesOfGaming 5 лет назад

The pedal is usable if you turn the mid knob up.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

Yeah. Still no. I demonstrated that.

@nathanbernhardt6807 5 лет назад

Damn I love EHX alot so this hurts. I got the OP amp big muff, crayon, hot tubes, and flatiron fuzz and enjoy all of them. Was about to go for the MM until this video lol. What dirt box would you recommend for Marshall distortion sounds under 100? I have the mxr m75 and it's pretty nice. Very entaining video by the way!

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

For the record, I, too, love EHX pedals. The Soul Food and the Flatiron Fuzz are among my favorites. The Flatiron Fuzz in particular REALLY surprised me because I hate fuzz pedals AND I hate Rat pedals. LOL But the Flatiron Fuzz is a KILLER little box, I’m very glad I bought one. Marshall distortion under $100? That’s easy: Tone City Model M. It’s also the best Marshall Distortion OVER $100, and it’s only $79. Here’s a demo that I did on it last year. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nLKLV-Tdd3w.html

@nathanbernhardt6807 5 лет назад

@@RobertWJackson I already like the pedal. My other consideration is the Friedman BE-OD. I live Marty's sound but it is quite a bit more pricey then the Tone City. I'll keep researching and hopefully I pick the best one for me. Does the Tone City have enough gain for thrash tones?

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

The Friedman BE-OD does not refer to Marty Friedman, it refers to Dave Friedman, owner of Friedman Amplifiers. The BE-OD is a great pedal, but it has nothing to do with Marty Friedman’s tone. It’s also TWICE the price of what you mentioned above. The Model M is easily the best Marshall-In-A-Box that I’ve ever heard, no exaggeration. It will, indeed, cover all the bases, including thrash. For the record, two of the biggest thrash bands in history, Slayer and Megadeth, have NEVER used a lot of gain.

@eaglewarrior8707 5 лет назад

@@nathanbernhardt6807 It's a really great "HEAVY METAL" "SPEED METAL" "THRASH METAL" "BLACK METAL" "DEATH METAL" "SWEDISH BLACK METAL" "SWEDISH DEATH METAL" "TOXIC THRASH METAL" pedal. This pedal sounds best at loud volumes and with fast riffs. And yes all of those caps were necessary.

@eaglewarrior8707 5 лет назад

@@nathanbernhardt6807 And you really do not need to put to much effort into a metal tone to begin with. It's supposed to sound like filth and a buzzsaw. And let your ears do the research for you. And this part is important. Your own amp. And in my opinion. The fuzz element on this metal pedal is like a topping of napalm on a nuclear warhead sundae.

@luisemiliano3046 5 лет назад

i think its fine for what i use it for, i like the harsh and noisy sound it produces

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

If you enjoy it, that’s all that’s important!

@joshuakozee5719 6 лет назад

does pickers grip work? I would ove a product like that.

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Absolutely it does! I did a demo of it, the link to which is down in the Description. You can buy it directly off of their website.

@joshuakozee5719 6 лет назад

thanks, in the past I have double side taped grip paper to my pick lol

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Give Picker’s Grip a try. You’d probably like it!

@Jaysteenn 6 лет назад

I bought one and took it back the next day!!

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@kpetty5577 6 лет назад

congrats on the spon spon big homie!

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Thanks!

@gabrieltoneguitars9365 6 лет назад

I'm digging your playing AND choice of guitar MUCH more. I'm starting to get away from pedals all together and just enjoying the gain from some EL-84's

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Thanks man! You didn’t change your username recently, did you?

@harryballsonya4347 9 месяцев назад

Sounds kinda fizzy? I have a muff and muff deluxe i think i will pass on this one

@RobertWJackson 8 месяцев назад

Smart man. LOL

@johanedenhoffner7720 4 года назад

it a great pedal for black metal and thats it you just need a noise gate and it works fine

@TomtilLetsplays1987 6 лет назад

Awesome video! :)

@spidersfast3541 6 лет назад

The metal muff sounds rad, you just need a noise suppressor in chain. I like it for bass more than guitar.

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Noise wasn’t the problem at all. The problem is the MUD and the digitally processed tone, neither of which can be dialed out. I didn’t have any noise issues at all.

@williamdenner3942 2 года назад

Agree need suppressor in chain. This guy doesn't play heavy music obvious

@minibikegarage1577 2 месяца назад

@@williamdenner3942 ah yes because a noise suppressor is going to fix a garbage sounding pedal

@matttttt8272 7 месяцев назад

Had this pedal almost a day now… love it! Lol

@vincebarma7213 5 лет назад

Try it with the amp cranked and the distortion lower.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

I did. Still sounds horrible.

@7-diamondkatherinelapuz117 10 месяцев назад

Why? The guys name is maxxxwell he did awesome review about the pedal. I think 2007 or 2009

@RobertWJackson 10 месяцев назад

Good for Maxxxwell. It’s complete garbage in 2023.

@7-diamondkatherinelapuz117 9 месяцев назад

the pedal doesn't change only the player so it depends upon the player just had this pedal this year and love the tone and wide range of it. @@RobertWJackson

@RobertWJackson 9 месяцев назад

@7-diamondkatherinelapuz117 You’re right. It doesn’t matter who is playing the Metal Muff because it STILL sounds like two galvanized aluminum trash cans having intercourse. And it always will! 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤣🤣🤣

@tophatness5674 5 лет назад

Sounds like a great pedal for lo-fi black metal.

@jimwoodard64 6 лет назад

Hey, Robert, Jim from "The Practical Guitarist Podcast". OMG, I laughed constantly during this! That look on your face like someone replaced your toothpaste with hemorrhoid cream - priceless. Keep up the good work.

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thanks Jim! I gotta admit, this video was fun to make. LOL

@jeremywaters6496 3 года назад

Maybe the way you have your EQ set up on the amp would help 👀

@RobertWJackson 3 года назад

Not likely.

@JJ-bb3jv 6 лет назад

Was that a little Dokken's Into The Fire at the beginning? Respect Robert - much respect! Thanks for the video!

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

YESSIR!

@valuedhumanoid6574 6 лет назад

Yeah Robert, that was painful to listen to. My first EHX pedal was the Tone Tattoo. It was a Metal Muff with a NeoClone chorus and a Memory Toy delay. The Muff had a "scoop" switch in the middle and a built in gate with threshold control. And it had the boost! Fuck yeah! The delay and chorus were stellar. But that tone, well...that sound that came from the Muff side...fuck me sideways. It was brutal. I thought my speaker had torn. But when I clicked it off, the speaker untore itself. lol. Right back to Sam Ash to return it the same day. Used the money to get my first Wampler pedal, the Sovereign. Now *THAT* is a distortion pedal.

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Jdasnake 11 месяцев назад

This video made me kind of want to buy the pedal more, this with an overdrive sounds like chaos

@RobertWJackson 11 месяцев назад

Moist.

@Mr.Goldbar 6 лет назад

I'll rather have some gain on the amp and use a Tube Screamer style pedal to boost it rather than having a high gain metal distortion pedal in front of a clean channel in any case. Except for death metal, where I think an HM2 for Swedish death metal and something like an HM3 for American death metal and oldschool British grindcore will sound fitting

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

God I hate that “chainsaw” guitar tone that those bands swear by. LOL

@Mr.Goldbar 6 лет назад

Robert's Guitar Dungeon I kinda like it, but only in the context of early 90's extreme metal, other than that it sounds like shit. As a Djent guy, I've never liked that kind of "ALL THE GAIN NO MIDS FULL TREBLE FULL BASS" sound to begin with

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Agreed.

@julianaraneta5416 3 года назад

try it in the "return" slot?

@RobertWJackson 3 года назад

Still garbage. That trick usually only works for preamps. Distortion pedals are designed to go through the front.

@julianaraneta5416 3 года назад

@@RobertWJackson idk man. works fine for me on my dual rectifier. 'can even dial a periphery type tone out of it.

@RobertWJackson 3 года назад

Why are you using an $80 distortion pedal when you’re playing through a Dual Rectifier? 🤣🤣🤣

@julianaraneta5416 3 года назад

like what i said it works fine with it. if it aint i shoulda thrown it out. Doesn't sound too fried like the one in your video and i'm still savin up for an overdrive that's why i'm temporarily using that dist. pedal on the return slot. (don't dig with the raw dirty channel tone of the recti. sounds better boosted with an OD).

@metalwill1118 5 лет назад

I don't see the big issue with this pedal! I use this exact pedal and I absolutely love it! And I'm using a Shecter Damian V with EMGhz pickups running through a 120 watt Crate Excalibur half stack. Granted it took me a good half hour or so to find the tone I was looking for but once I figured this pedal out I absolutely love the tone I get out of this thing. But hey, to each's own!

@DCWelker 5 лет назад

uggh. The crate excalibur sounds horrible alone. I hope it sounds better with pedals.. Do you have a demo?

@metalwill1118 5 лет назад

@@DCWelker I can try to get a video today!

@williamdenner3942 2 года назад

Have schector hellraiser el34 50 wt. Noise suppressor and 4x12 Marshall sounds fucking awsome!

@soad11dude 4 года назад

I have a metal muff. Paid $50 used for it on kijiji (canada eh). Pedal still works to this day. It's built like a tank. At the time. It was awesome. I finally had some distortion to play with. I did find that there is a frequency in the mids that wasn't very pleasant.. so I kept my mids at 9 o clock. Now? Pfff. No. I'm not going to try defending it. It's really not that great. But for high school me. Legendary.

@sergiojimenez9986 3 года назад

hello, after the metal muff what you get? other pedal? a pre amp? other?

@soad11dude 3 года назад

@@sergiojimenez9986 I was fortunate enough to start working at a young age. I've bought lots of gear over the years. The first big amp I had was a traynor YCS50. I kept using my metal muff with it because I did not like the gain channel. I bought myself a traynor 412 with V30 speakers at some point in high school as well, which I still have. The big buy for me was at a music store that I did a co op at in my last year of high school. They had a 6505+ head. Peavey sent it to them by accident. The owner wanted the combo amp in the store. So he gave me an employee discount on it. This was 2012, so Kempers and Axefx stuff was not nearly as popular. I was so excited to have the amp used by Machine Head, Amon Amarth, Bullet For My Valentine, August Burns Red (the list seemed to be endless). It was the tone I heard on many albums and knew I wanted. I've bought and sold gear over the years, but nothing has excited me like buying that 6505+ ... okay. Maybe my epiphone goth explorer as well. But that's it!

@djlimitededition385 5 лет назад

You tuned to D?

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

Eb Standard.

@parkkingery9216 6 лет назад

I actually used mine on the lead channel with the distortion at 0 to tighten things up

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

What kind of amp?

@parkkingery9216 6 лет назад

Robert's Guitar Dungeon Hughes and kettner tubemeister deluxe. I've since sold the metal muff and upgraded to something much better. But that was the only use that worked for me.

@TheDogPa 6 лет назад

Been using one for many, many years. You just got to know how to use it. I feed it with a boost too...then use an EQ to cut 800hz. The top boost is a secret of sorts...listen with only hiss...there is a crossover point you can hear at 8-8:30...set it there. I put it through my Blonde Tremolux and '58 tweed Bassman. If you try to make it sound bad it will. Oh, don't ever use it in a Marshall, as they already have treble "issues" LOL! And of course it is not meant for an already distorted amp.

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

This Marshall actually has a good clean channel. All other distortion pedals that I run through it sound fine. The Metal Muff sounds just as bad as it did through every other amp I’ve ever tried to run it through.

@brojajacra 5 лет назад

Then, like TheDogpa says, you dont know how to use it. I personally think youre purposely trying to make it sound as bad as possible because mine has never sounded as bad as this video and ive also never heard it sound bad like this in any other video either. youre never going to beat a Tube amp with good gain but its better than most metal distortion pedals

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

As I mentioned, I’ve tried to love it. I’ve owned three of these things, and the first one I had on my board for over two years. I never could find a usable tone in it, and I tried EVERYTHING. Yes this video is meant to be more of a joke than anything, but it still sounds terrible regardless of what I did to it. The reason why it sounds better in other videos is because those guys EQ the sound in their DAW after they recorded it. What you’re hearing in this video is my recorder synced up directly with my camera and no editing after the fact. What you hear in the video is what it sounds like in the room I’m playing it in. If you like it, fine. But I think it sounds like absolute garbage.

@TheDogPa 5 лет назад

Touchy, almost like a Metal Zone. You might need an eq after it if your amp does not have enough of a capability to control the eq...simple enough. Not good in bright amps or with overly bright guitars either, but again, simple enough. I love all the talk that goes on everywhere (not necessarily here)...as if nobody knows how to use the tone control on their guitar or amp. Anyway, if it does not work for you that is fine. I have amps it does not work with...unless I have an eq too. Never sounds right to me with anything Marshall. Be well.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

The Metal Muff certainly does have a bright tone to it, but that’s not my biggest issue with it. What I really don’t care for is the digitally processed high gain that just SOUNDS digitally processed. It sounds like a fax machine being bludgeoned to death by a dial-up modem.

@notpennysboat4809 6 лет назад

I was actually thinking about getting this pedal, until I saw your video on the MetalEnd. That thing is fucking great, and I appreciate you steering me towards it!

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

The Metal-End is awesome, especially for the price! I’ve actually got a Metal-End King on the way and I’m going to do a comparison video soon.

@gabrieloalgo 6 лет назад

The bass player of my band borrowed me a Micro Metal Muff (cause I´m the most metal on that proyect) and boyyyy... The voice on that pedal is weeeeeird, it renders any chord to unusable, it has a lot of bite which you can not control at all and the "top boost"... yeeezz... I´ve been searching for mods for that pedal (like the Mesa mod for the MetalZone) or something more usable but so far no luck. I´m thinking to turn it into a Fuzz/Synth but still don´t think I would use it. My Wylde Drive and Radial London nail any tone from Blues to Deathcore...

@johntaylor7496 5 лет назад

Sweet tone.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

Really? LOL

@johntaylor7496 5 лет назад

No not really it was awful. Sarcasm doesnt translate well and im sure someone likes that awful incoherant mud. But i agree it has a place in our world and thats the garbage. Another great review. But ya the Marshall preamp had some sweet tone lol.

@Tommy-uh6co 3 года назад

Before making a hate video did you try it through other amps? I only have a cheap bedroom setup and my thought is that the extra top boost will actually help my overly present low tone on my Katana 50, maybe you hate that too though.

@RobertWJackson 3 года назад

Had you bothered to actually WATCH the whole video, you wouldn’t have left such a ridiculous comment because you would have heard me say that I’ve owned this pedal THREE DIFFERENT TIMES AND I TRIED IT THROUGH EVERY AMP I OWNED. And yes, it sounded like total dog shit through every one of them. Try a Pepers’ Pedals Satanist Distortion and see what you’ve been missing dude.

@Tommy-uh6co 3 года назад

@@RobertWJackson yeah Unfortunately I did watch the whole video asshole. I heard very clearly that you said you owned it 3 times my point being that the way pedals react through tube/solid-state amps and in or out of an effects loop is extremely different.

@RobertWJackson 3 года назад

Good. Then you also know that I said I couldn’t get a good sound out of that pedal through any of them. So I don’t understand why you asked if I’d tried it through other amps. Or how this makes ME the asshole. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@KristianHeartmusic 6 лет назад

I understand why people don’t like the sound of this but the reason I love it is cuz I love it it’s so versatile an I really dig the annoying metal sound personally

@kml062779 5 лет назад

You should do a review of the MXR super badass distortion, it’s in that same price range but well worth the money

@mrmeme-jq6qr 2 года назад

Hah it does sound bad though your setup I had one and loved it only reason I got rid of it was because it wasn’t bedroom friendly

@hinjurock70 3 года назад

I can't decide what sounds worse, this pedal or his playing.

@ergindemir7366 5 лет назад

You must use fx return to properly judge the pedal.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

No, not really dude. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@DLTX1007 5 лет назад

I'm not even there and my ears are bleeding lawd jesus once the top boost was engaged. by default it's already quite trebly

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@DLTX1007 5 лет назад

Rob, what is your favorite metal pedal? I like the triple wreck but you know, guitarists can never have only one pedal for any purpose 😂

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

Amptweaker Tight Metal Pro, hands down. Nothing else is even close.

@DLTX1007 5 лет назад

@@RobertWJackson Thank you man!

@LeeKirkman88 5 лет назад

So glad i try stuff out as i absolutely love this pedal !!! I have it setup with my pedal board i have a boss ds2 on there also. Your first mistake was starting with everything at 12 o' clock. Thats far too much for the top boost. Also all depends what amp you run and other pedals you run along with it. I've found The metal muff to be a great all rounder. My metal muff sounds nothing like yours.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

Your mass-produced pedal sounds nothing like my mass-produced pedal of the same make, model, and type? Come on dude. I don’t disagree that the amp other things in the signal path can make a difference, but this is a distortion pedal onto a clean channel. There’s not a clean channel in the world that’s going to eliminate that digitally processed pissed-off-dial-up-modem sound that the Metal Muff produces. I’ve owned three of the these things and played them all through many different amps, and they’ve ALL sounded terrible.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

By the way, what amp do you run yours through and how does it sound WITHOUT the DS-2?

@LeeKirkman88 5 лет назад

@@RobertWJackson i have quite a few amps and i have quite a few guitars and quite a few pedals. But heres a typical setup Marshall vs100 dirty channel distortion no more than 2. Pedal board . Aria Ap-1 wah into a boss cs-3 Compression Sustainer. Metal muff top boost low distortion low. Digital reverb, boss super chorus. I dont use much distortion on either board nor amp. I sometimes switch in the boss ds2 but rarely use both. Theres alot of variables and settings and setups etc where the metal muff does a great job. Putting everything up 12 is the first big mistake. Its not that simple for a sound technician so why would it be for your setup. A little top boost is great for screaming blues. Its like throwing a tube screamer in the mix.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

I may have started with everything at noon, but I certainly didn’t end there. Why do the rest of the MANY different setting that I demo’ed in this video still sound terrible?

@LeeKirkman88 5 лет назад

@@RobertWJackson amp perhaps? Heard others say there amp hates pedals. Plus i dont use high gain im not largely into heavy metal but blues and classic rock so i keep my settings more defined and less heavy mangle of noise. I find the top boost on a low setting is as good as any tube screamer in my setup. I often use the metal muff for screaming blues.

@dimebagtribute 5 лет назад

That's really fun how some guy catch immediately the good sound of a pedal and other cannot...

@simonesecarnal1162 3 года назад

It’s the amp, not the settings that make it sound like that. It’s already a distortion pedal so that knob doesn’t need to be more than 9 o’clock, mid knob as well. The Top Boost can be modded to reduce the harshness and or Diesel mod would make this into a Beast with any size Orange amp. Even the 3 watt mini orange sounds better than the Marshall with distortion. You should’ve used a cleaner tone.

@RobertWJackson 3 года назад

This is a very early JCM 900 Dual Reverb, which has a very good clean channel dude. There is no distortion on the amp at all. The garbage that you heard was all Metal Muff. And any great pedal shouldn’t have to be modified. Bottom line: the Metal Muff is hot garbage AT BEST.

@simonesecarnal1162 3 года назад

@@RobertWJackson I see, excuse me for my assumption. Your amp is awesome. Personally I’ve never experienced the sound that your Metal Muff produced. And about Mod, all basic pedals under 100$ price point should be modded for a more personalized experience. Thanks for the feedback 😎

@imannonymous7707 5 лет назад

Its redundant the metal muff ...square waves are what they are...you cant get any heavier than the big muff and still sound musical

@StevoBolgakov 3 года назад

BlueGuitar Amp1 clean channel, boss od1 and the metal muff works fine for me. But i prefere the Boss Metal Core to the Muff

@RobertWJackson 3 года назад

The Metal Core is cool for home practice, but it has NO midrange in it whatsoever.

@StevoBolgakov 3 года назад

Not looking for much mids, guess it depends on what music we all play I guess.

@RobertWJackson 3 года назад

Doesn’t matter if you’re looking for them or not. Midrange frequencies are what allow a guitar tone to cut through and be heard in a band mix. The Metal Core is great for jamming around by yourself in the bedroom at home, but it gets eaten alive as soon as bass and drums are added.

@colorwashcarsandguitars 2 года назад

Literally one of my favorite dirt pedals 😂

@RobertWJackson 2 года назад

You should try more distortion pedals. LOL

@KneedleKnees 6 лет назад

some of these "tones" I can get out of my Ibanez practice model with the gain boost. That's not a credit to the pedal.

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Exactly!

@notpennysboat4809 6 лет назад

This is the most expression I've seen out of you in any video! It actually humanizes you, Robert!

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

LOL I’m not all-business all the time. LOL

@edsmith898 3 года назад

I own it and I LOVE IT

@rodgaray 6 лет назад

Yeww! Then everybody gets against the poor MetalZone hahaha! A good amplifier with distorion and an overdrive for me it's the best. Love your channel!!!!!

@rodgaray 6 лет назад

TC Dark Matter is a nice pedal, though.

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Thanks man!

@rodgaray 6 лет назад

Yes, it kick ass!

@timeforachange12 5 лет назад

I have one and it's horrible. I just cannot get a good sound out of it, especially for soloing.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

RIGHT???

@STEVE-ki9th 5 лет назад

Its a great pedal, however the boost is useless

@CJC15 6 лет назад

I was at my friend's dad's house one time back around 2012 and saw a Metal Muff sitting around. I said "Oh hey, I was really wondering how this sounds!" and my friend's dad says "You can have that piece of shit if you want it." LOL

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@sennstrato7281 3 года назад

That says it all(my DADS friend)

@TheGhostInWhiteOfficial 5 лет назад

OKAY OKAY.. I decided to go ahead and pick this pedal up with low expectations.. Holy crap.. I am beyond impressed and truly stand corrected. This pedal set just right tied into my Boss EQ pedal sounds delicious. Honestly, my absolute favorite distortion pedal to date. I have played for hours on it now and have made multiple recordings with it so far and truly love it. I understand that everyone has their opinion when it comes to pedals and tone. My opinion is this, don't judge any distortion pedal until you tweak it with a good EQ. Most distortion pedals by themselves without an EQ in the line sound thin and missing that punch your face off mids that sound so good in metal music. I can say with absolute confidence if your willing to run this pedal with a separate EQ in the line on your board, you will not be disappointed. The tone i am getting out of this pedal is second to none to everything else I have, which is a crap ton of distortion pedals. Also, the boost option on this pedal makes it even that much better. Perfect for solos. I can't say enough good things about this pedal. It's all about how you use it and how much time your'e willing to dial it in with a proper EQ. Also, some amps simply don't take distortion pedals well, it's just a fact. I run everything through a solid state Marshal Head and 2X12 cab. Yes, solid state, because tubes amps are great, yet old technology that will faze out eventually. Also, tube amps are overpriced and unreliable for any serious musician who travels often. This is why all the pros that still use tube amps travel with multiple backup amps and extra tubes. Not something I'm wanting to have to deal with. Solid state Marshall is perfect for metal with the mids boosted, in my opinion. This Metal Muff screams on leads and is super thick and chunky on rhythms, love it! Cheers!

@markcaserta1223 5 лет назад

What a slab of Sh**. I would have unplugged it and thrown it against a wall. Your funny facial expressions made my day.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@rkabrx2722 6 лет назад

Friends don't let friends use The Metal Muff!

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Right?!?!?

@randyrazor6780 5 лет назад

Lol . Ill have to tell guitar players from now on to "Stuff the Muff" when it comes to this pedal. I agree. It stinks.

@al3x2728 3 года назад

To be honest you make the pedal sound great but i understand your points

@nicks4802 6 лет назад

Mine sounds ALOT warmer..... Christ! I can see why you dislike it. Perhaps i could suggest a few settings..... But keep in mind everybodys amps and setups react differently. -Treble at 1-2:00 -mids cranked up to 3-4:00 -bass between 12:00 and 3:00 -distorion anywhere under 12 should make things a bit more tolerable. Adjust volume and top boost as necessary. Do keep in mind I also run my rig on a clean channel, so bare with me. Perhaps that'll help lessen your hatred for one of my favorite pedals in its price range

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Tried them all. Every one of those settings was unusable, unfortunately. The JCM900 isn’t that bright of an amp, either.

@heavymetalhalloween 3 года назад

Dude I love that pedal ,I will say the dials are extremely sensitive.i keep my mid,Bass,dist treble about 9 o'clock top boost around 10 .for things like judas priest living after midnight.turn the treble to about 1 o clock to play black sabbath electric funeral .but your untitled to your opinion

@eaglewarrior8707 2 года назад

The key is to krank the volume as comfortable as you feel. Then push the volume a bit more. Then add everything else. Or add everything else. Then krank the volume. But before you push the volume up as comfortable as you feel.

@christianmalinao 4 года назад

Use this pedal with thick strings tuned down. You know. Like metal. No need to change amps.

@RobertWJackson 4 года назад

You mean so that the bottom end gets even looser and muddier sounding? Thanks, I’ll pass. LOL

@pickinsumbitch01 6 лет назад

You are right. That was brutal

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@jeepmanxj 6 лет назад

Yeah, they are bad. I got one a little while ago hoping it would work well with my muff pi for some doom and stoner stuff. Boy was I wrong

@mattjones8523 6 лет назад

User Name I was thinking that it would work for those applications too, but your comment is now making me rethink that idea.

@jeepmanxj 6 лет назад

Its really harsh. I can see some possible applications in some sort of noisecore genre but for something where the tone is all about being a wall of fat sound able to move a mountain it doesn't cut it a bass muff gave a much better result for me.

@allanallan4791 6 лет назад

Shit I thought my speakers were broken turns out it was just the pedal

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Good news! You’re speakers are working just fine! Bad news: this really IS what this pedal sounds like.

@allanallan4791 6 лет назад

Robert's Guitar Dungeon really makes me appreciate my Fab tone by Danelectro haha

@tonyneville4425 4 года назад

Makes me wanna buy this pedal will do so in the next few weeks

@RobertWJackson 4 года назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@JamieFifthring 4 года назад

😂😂😂😂 the good thing about that boost is when you turn it down the pedal sound less horrible

@JamieFifthring 4 года назад

Had to correct myself. This is thousand times worse than Crossroads . 3 minutes of video and laughing til death

@RobertWJackson 4 года назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@RobertWJackson 4 года назад

Then you need to make sure you watch this one next. LOL. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XjCD7GYU9oQ.html

@licks4daysgslinger545 4 года назад

I thought I was the only one. I’m getting a Fuzz.

@RobertWJackson 4 года назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@I.am_Groot 6 лет назад

Yuck!! I picked up an Ibanez Jet Driver the other day and man that thing gives so much tone without going overboard am loving it more and more. They are not that popular so who knows maybe its just me.. but I agree the Metal Muff is too much. Not sure why anyone would use it on purpose

@imannonymous7707 5 лет назад

Soul food is a cool pedal I'd agree

@playauthentic1082 Год назад

I'm a metal player the perfect fuzz is an overdrive

@ArielsSmartyPants 6 лет назад

I love a lot of EHX pedals but none of them say Muff on them.

@RobertWJackson 6 лет назад

Agreed.

@lolobuggah2670 5 лет назад

You're missing out. The original big muff is their greatest distortion and a legendary pedal that crosses genres.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

Except it isn’t a distortion, it’s a fuzz.

@lolobuggah2670 5 лет назад

That's debatable.

@RobertWJackson 5 лет назад

Actually it’s not if you understand the science behind how fuzz is created compared to distortion. The Big Muff creates a square wave, rather than a sine wave, making it a fuzz. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@imannonymous7707 5 лет назад

The thing I hate about muffs in general is all that handling noise....60 cycle hum whatever u want to call it....it sucks

@TinkerToneworks 5 лет назад

that's not a problem with the muff. That's a problem with the shielding and grounding job in your guitar. buy a noise gate, properly ground and shield your guitar, make sure your house is grounded properly, buy an isolated power supply and you should be good.

@mattjones8523 6 лет назад

I love me some Muffs, but damn... that was hard to listen to. I'm happy with the classic tones of my Nano Big Muff Pi.