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Elite: Dangerous - "Flight Assist Off Training" Beginner Proficiency #1 

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@biglogie680
@biglogie680 4 года назад
i feel like this man is my sensei and the space station is my dojo
@Cypher652
@Cypher652 3 года назад
Think we should form a squadron called Cobra Kai
@MrHank_
@MrHank_ 3 года назад
yeah kkkkkkkkkkkkkk
@jambothejoyful2966
@jambothejoyful2966 2 года назад
Your space sensei
@JazzRadioFfm
@JazzRadioFfm Год назад
@@Cypher652 cobra kai mk3
@selfactualizer2099
@selfactualizer2099 10 месяцев назад
Just skip to asteroids
@MLB9000
@MLB9000 6 лет назад
Awesome vid. Reminds me of learning to fly a helicopter. My instructor would often get me to fly out to the ‘H’ which was in the centre of a big circle of mowed grass in the middle of the airfield and fly around it with the nose of the aircraft pointing inwards. Then he’d make me switch up to hovering the other way and flying with the tail facing the middle of the circle. This was all made a bit more challenging by the fact that the wind would push you around quite a bit and any corrective input on the controls always required a counter input on the other two controls. As you mentioned the trick was to make very small inputs which required smaller corrections.
@TamasKalman
@TamasKalman 4 года назад
100% same experience!
@thalesank
@thalesank 5 лет назад
This gameplay style adds sooooo much to the game; the feeling of really being in almost complete control of the ship makes every little flight maneuver an achievement, and this tutorial is helping me enjoy this aspect so much more. Thanks man.
@nunyabusiness8538
@nunyabusiness8538 4 года назад
the flying in this game kicks every other space sims ass so much 😂
@XxsteamerxX
@XxsteamerxX 3 года назад
Making me rethink my bindings. Having played only just under 1000hrs, I've been wanting to go FAO for some time. I've only gotten to landing on some low G planets, but I still use FA on to get it stabilized most times. I also would do FAoff in asteroid rings to search for mother lodes because I could boost then swing my ship around in several directions while scanning to find as many as possible in the time I was looking. But I would cheat by gliding just above or below the plane of the belt so I wouldn't have to dodge all those nasty rocks. Like I said I will have to rethink some bindings because my head look analogue is the same as my thruster lateral/vertical (no track IR). I do have another analogue that only has thrust forward and back on it that I can swap for head-look and just use the other analogue for thrust lateral/vertical which in turn I can just use the main throttle for thrust forward/back like I have it set for anyway, I just use the analogue during landing in stations because it always returns to zero. I'm going to start practicing more.
@XxsteamerxX
@XxsteamerxX 3 года назад
...And this is what I thought I would be doing when I first got this game. I fully intended to go FAoff right away thinking it wouldn't be that hard... Boy was I wrong. Gonna get back into it
@XxsteamerxX
@XxsteamerxX 3 года назад
Been a little over a month and I am proud to say that I am 99.89% FA Off. It was very hard at first but muscle memory kicks in after a while and my brain has adjusted to making small adjustments instead of constantly over correcting. I don't think I even went through all of your proficiency before I really got the hang of it. I flew to San Tu, bought a Sidewinder and crashed around a bit until I started to get nausious. I started to dream in FA Off. So I took about a week off. When I came back to it and started to just mine and collect mats for engineering an exploring Phantom I realized that I was already doing it. I'm landing better... even on a 1.3G planet that I didn't take the time to take note of. I kissed the ground, recovered and landed with 11% hull. THAT'S A WIN. I'm still not nearly as smooth as our sensei here. But the only time I turn it on is when collecting mats from High emissions drop zones (dropping the session and rejoining brings you back in FA On. I found it faster to just leave it until that site times out.)
@XxsteamerxX
@XxsteamerxX 3 года назад
My re-binding worked like a charm. Much better than before. The throw on the Virpil throttle is larger than all the other throttles I had before, and I have the controls chair mounted instead of desk mounted so I decided to go throttle forward and reverse instead of forward only using a button option to switch to reverse. This gives me only half the range and I can still use all the buttons and switches comfortably on the throttle.
@sym667
@sym667 3 года назад
I've been playing the game for a few days and I didn't even know that there was such a feature you could switch off, but having studied physics, it seems to me the only sensible way to play it, now! Thanks also to your really nice guide! Thanks a lot!
@BoardGameClub
@BoardGameClub 3 года назад
Once you go back to FA On, it’s like you’re flying in a straight jacket
@DerekMoore82
@DerekMoore82 5 лет назад
People who have no experience with this don't realise the skill that's on display here, wow. But what I really wanted to remark on is how good your presentation is: cinematography for the recording, sound quality etc.
@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_
@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_ 4 года назад
Man you make it seem so simple, following the outer ring of the station I always drift away then I over correct and smack on the station. *EDIT:* After sticking with it for a few days I am starting to get the hang of it, I found that flying the length of the station and going between the struts (yes the space is massive between them) makes it more fun after you get bored of the tethering exercises and if you smack against the station and spin around it's good practice for regaining control. Also shows you how important lateral/vertical thrusters are
@XxsteamerxX
@XxsteamerxX 3 года назад
That's what I found. When I got bored with the exercises, I just went and did things I needed to do like mine for a mission or engineer a ship and go to different planets trying to land. After, I would fly nap of the earth for a while and through canyons before taking off back up into space. Couple times I boosted straight into the surface to go KaBlammo but it taught me my limits. Combat is infintely better, even though I don't prefer combat, but I found I don't lose the ship from my sights anymore.
@matfly4832
@matfly4832 4 месяца назад
Every time I hit that button, I feel like I drank 60 oz of Tequila and just stood up too suddenly.
@CMDRArsenCross
@CMDRArsenCross 7 лет назад
This is easily the best FAO tutorial that I have seen. I love the separation into specific exercises. I look forward to seeing more content from you.
@Neutronic01
@Neutronic01 6 лет назад
You gotta give credit to those who use FA off all the time. These guys really understand how normal ships would work in space.
@brnddi
@brnddi 5 лет назад
Except for the whole maximum speed part :-)
@noosebrother
@noosebrother 5 лет назад
i have the spatial awareness of a potato so FAon by default XD
@ryanbroos5143
@ryanbroos5143 5 лет назад
@@noosebrother 🤣
@thfreakinacage
@thfreakinacage 5 лет назад
@@brnddi Anybody else been playing long enough to remember the FAO boost trick? They removed this a while back but your ship has a maximum speed right, and then a maximum boost speed. When you boost, the ship returns to normal max speed. In older versions you could boost, then turn flight assist off and you'd hold that boost speed until you turn it on again.
@Jordan-pk8mp
@Jordan-pk8mp 5 лет назад
@@thfreakinacage that's how space actually works.. technically there should be no max speed for ships. just acceleration differences.
@bedrockraptor5534
@bedrockraptor5534 5 лет назад
well... I did this in a T10, it didn't go well
@JohnJonesRocketCity
@JohnJonesRocketCity 6 лет назад
I’m fixing to buy elite dangerous and I have a strong background with flight sim and fpv racing and I currently have rudder pedals and thrustmaster warthog hotas. This video answers a lot of questions I had about the flight model and how much freedom that model provides. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
@XxsteamerxX
@XxsteamerxX 3 года назад
Next on my wishlist are a set of rudders. I use a twist grip on the Kosmsima VKB grip. Use it a lot. I feel it would be a lot easier on a set of rudder pedals. But the realism is what I bought ED for. Enjoying my new found freedom of FAOff for a little over a month now. Now when I do use FAOn, if find it so stiff an unforgiving. I actually hate it.
@adamw.8579
@adamw.8579 3 года назад
This flight sim habits are also my problem. Flight with FA is very similar to aircraft behavior ... FAO is very different pair of shoes. Full Newton physics.
@marcustullius6680
@marcustullius6680 6 лет назад
After 3k+ hours in this game, all ranks, ships, engineering mods etc., I just made my first FA off landing on station and I feel myself like a complete noob :) Thanks guys. BTW landing on rotating station was much easier with heavy combat fitted Anaconda than with smaller ships. The mass of the ship forgives a lot of mistakes.
@selfactualizer2099
@selfactualizer2099 10 месяцев назад
Medium and up is easy for fa off, But a sidewinder that can't be hit is dangerous
@curryinahurry3730
@curryinahurry3730 5 лет назад
This is awesome. Just doing these exercises for a few minutes made me way more capable of controlling my ship in fao, especially in combat. Feels like a whole new game.
@Maniac3020
@Maniac3020 6 лет назад
I find picking up stuff with my cargo scoop with FA off is great practice for the fine inputs needed for such flying. I can't do it in combat yet, but I can reliably dock at a spinning station without much difficulty. I use a dual joystick with pedals setup. Configuring the toe brakes for "Flight Thrust" allows me to make small FA off inputs without moving my hand to my throttle, and having two full joysticks allows finer precision. I found a program called Joystick Curves, it really helps with the small inputs, and reduces overcorrection. It's also improved my handling of interdictions, as I tend to flail a bit during those.
@boyohazard
@boyohazard 3 года назад
*Watches episode of Battlestar Galactica* "Ah! Now those Vipers don't have Flight Assist at all! I can do that!" *Hops into Viper in Elite Dangerous* COVAS: "Flight assist off" *Spins wildly out of control, crashes into everything and is sent to insurance screen* COVAS: "Flight Assist on" And now I am here watching your video series!
@marcmacinnis6610
@marcmacinnis6610 5 лет назад
I'm hooked, this is a completely different game for me now. GREAT tutorials it really explained it and got me in the headspace for doing this
@kevinhewitt6134
@kevinhewitt6134 3 года назад
Cheers for making this guide I turned f.a off last night and now i know where im going wrong
@Element0145
@Element0145 3 года назад
Your transitions are legit 👌
@korrectmethod
@korrectmethod 3 года назад
Learning FA off is difficult but it's nice when it "clicks" in your head. I had a few moments like that. I went from tumbling through space, to tumbling in space but in the right direction, to over controlling so it looked like a mad drunk person trying to dock, to finally realizing small corrections and just relaxing on the controls overall made for a swan like grace.
@IsraeliDino
@IsraeliDino 2 года назад
Dude, you are amazing...seriously. Clear and concise explanations, masterful ability and demonstration, I really would not be surprised to hear you are a flight instructor or instructor in general of some sorts in the real world! Heck, I'd count on it! Simply exemplar, stellar teaching. Hahaha thanks so much for the video series, can't wait to improve my FAO flying with my new twin stick setup!
@DanutSoare
@DanutSoare 7 лет назад
This is the one of the best tutorial in ED I ever seen. I'll wait for the next next one.
@ianyboo
@ianyboo 5 лет назад
You just blew my mind I've been playing for months and didn't even know this was possible I can't wait to get home and try it! It kind of reminds me of flying my Quadcopter in Acro mode as opposed to self level. Hopefully the skills Translate...
@holl-we4ir
@holl-we4ir 5 лет назад
I am trying this on Mouse and Keyboard... damn this is hard. EVERY thruster control (except mouse controls) is digital. I am busy trying to lightly tap 6 keys at once.
@drogenfeld
@drogenfeld 3 года назад
I actually initially wanted to learn it, but on mouse and keyboard, using analogue controls is just not nearly possible. That is what flight assist is for, it simulates analogue controls. You can't give half thrust with a yes or no key.
@joesilver75
@joesilver75 3 года назад
@@drogenfeld I've bought a H.O.T.A.S. as I thought it would be ideal for mastering FA OFF. Well, for what I've seen so far, I don't think it makes it any easier. In fact, the micro-corrections are somewhat more complicated, because the analog controller is designed for continuous, incremental inputs, whilst FA OFF requires digital, short impulse corrections. Microcorrecting with the joystick means that you have to exercise the smallest amount of movement (whether for pitch, roll, or yaw) allowed by the joystick, which is much less easier to obtain than with a key pressure. By pressing a key (or a button) you cannot fail. With the joystick, you must win the spring resistance each time you try to produce a small impulse, which often results in a larger correction than needed. But it's also possible that I'm a completely rubbish pilot...
@drogenfeld
@drogenfeld 3 года назад
@@joesilver75 The point I am making is this: A button can only do on or off. You need to hit the right button the correct amount of times at the right timings. A joystick has analogue axis, which enables you to continuously adjust the trajectory of your ship without having to button smash your thruster controls and hope it'll fly the way you want. You can't do microadjustments with a on and off switch, as you always give full power. Imagine driving your car like that, your gas pedal, brake and steering are just a switch. It'd be a bumpy and stressful ride.
@joesilver75
@joesilver75 3 года назад
@@drogenfeld Sure, but driving a car is different from flying a starship in low gravity and virtually zero air drag. On the road you must keep pushing the pedal to keep the same speed, otherwise your car will slow down and eventually stop. Also steering a car is more akin to yawing in FA mode (you keep the rotating the joystick or you will stop spinning) than with FA off, where a small digital micropush will make your ship spin forever. You really need to give frequent small microadjustments to use FA off in ED, and analog controls do not help because they are meant for gradual variations rather than small, short pushes. I'm having a hard time with my joystick, much harder than with a steam controller! I could reduce the sensitivity, but that would mean that I should make large movements to get very small corrections. And buttons are definitely better for that.
@drogenfeld
@drogenfeld 3 года назад
@@joesilver75 Once you can perfectly fly FA OFF with your keyboard, then talk about this again. Until you do, I'm not interested in pointless discussions such as this and you talking about how a car works compared to a spaceship.
@JustinC._
@JustinC._ 7 месяцев назад
Six year old video but new for me. Im a beginner to Elite, only a few weeks of playing. This is extremely helpful. Thanks for sharing.
@SgtAwesome97
@SgtAwesome97 Год назад
Watching this to get a better grasp on cold orbiting in regards to ax combat, and the more I watch these FA off videos, the more I realize SC got it right with the vector indicator.
@DustySquitoNM
@DustySquitoNM 5 лет назад
Holy crap, this is awesome. I've seen some combat tutorials that quickly brushed on the "FA/OFF" thing, but never something that was as thorough as this. I can't wait to check out the rest of them.
@Monody512
@Monody512 6 лет назад
I really love the newtonian and non-facing-dependent moving aspects of FAO, and I’d totally use it… except it’s impossible with a mouse. Wish I could disable translational assist but keep rotational.
@moldiworp9143
@moldiworp9143 5 лет назад
That tethering... what the absolute fuck, that was incredibly smoooooth. That in itself was indicative of amazing talent. Good job, Commander.
@drumbri
@drumbri 2 года назад
New sub new player- Thank you for your time and talent. This is an amazing and perfect video for me right now. So much to learn in elite dangerous. Your instructional videos are some of the best information I have found. Cheers!🍻
@JonTaRW84
@JonTaRW84 2 года назад
Super good videos, I'm a keyboard and mouse user and gonna try to learn FAOFF, mainly for combat and my ultimate goal is to learn how to outmanouvering the hardest NPCs with my vulture and F-D-L. Are your training forums still active?
@davidpetrol7870
@davidpetrol7870 3 года назад
Perfect trainer voice. I'll give it a shot 😃
@jowilson5581
@jowilson5581 6 месяцев назад
I've dabbled in FA off here and there but was never very good at it. tonight I got a wild hair and started seriously drilling using this series. I was able to tether to a station rock solid after about an hour of practice, and it sounds silly but it's the most fun I've had with elite to date. lol I'll be drilling at the San Tu tunnels next! very good vids
@bluidguy4007
@bluidguy4007 6 лет назад
Honestly, I think flying is the feature I have neglected most in this game, I just got to a good station so I think I'm going to try this next time I get on thank you for the video.
@lordzuzu6437
@lordzuzu6437 3 года назад
When I read the wikipedia article about elite I learned about the two game mechanics in elite dangerous, the arcade one and the newtonian mechanics one. That completely blew my mind, and from now on I'll only play flight assist off.
@SonnyinPhx
@SonnyinPhx 5 лет назад
Outstanding video and outstanding flying skills! This is not something that comes overnight, but with much seat time...I am wanting to start FAO flight, and this video gives a great training guide to learn.
@RussDnB
@RussDnB 5 лет назад
Only just seen this. Prior to this video, I only referred to the great Isonona’s FA off tutorials. Excellently described. Subbed.
@redicanprime1181
@redicanprime1181 4 года назад
Great tutorial. Straight to the point with no time wasted. Thx!
@MJohnnyN
@MJohnnyN 4 года назад
Hey, your bird is beautiful, CMDR. I can't watch the entire video at the moment, (Will later) but really, that Sidewinder is purrrrty.
@sombient
@sombient 3 года назад
Look, I realize this video is 3 years old... but I've only been flying for a few weeks now.... And after watching the flight in "Green Elk" I realized I was missing out on something in Elite. I'm about to log in and the first thing I'm doing is turning FA off and am going to spend the night learning my orbits.
@mhopkins7954
@mhopkins7954 6 лет назад
This just opened up a whole new tier of game play, thank you. Subbed! o7 PS just realized an analogy is like a tank and it's turret moving independently one to another that's basically what we're doing with our ships with the assist off. It's the difference between having a car with machine guns mounted to the front versus a Humvee with a machine gunner on top....guess who wins?
@cervantes01
@cervantes01 7 лет назад
Awesome video, very informative, I will be watching out for future videos by yourself, well done.
@smoadia85
@smoadia85 6 лет назад
man Asteroid Gliding reminds me of Expanse when Alex gravity fling Rocinate
@hzer12
@hzer12 5 лет назад
I thought exactly the same :)
@Xingmey
@Xingmey 4 года назад
The most bullshit scene fron that show.... everything else was spot in. That tour eouldve taken at least 4 months...
@Boon-N-Bros
@Boon-N-Bros 3 года назад
Bro my long lost people! you guys should fly with us sometime. we have a sidewinder derby club where we deck out sidewinders and go station surfing, racing and tons other other contests, including faoff races and courses! look up the squadron Rope Duckers.
@mrhumans6453
@mrhumans6453 7 лет назад
I was following along thinking, man I have the basics down well enough. Then you blew my mind with the last two asteroid exercises. And this is video one... Good stuff.
@barmetler
@barmetler 3 года назад
I never actually played this game, but am really interested. I'm guessing "flight assist off" is the same as turning off inertia dampening in space engineers? as in it doesn't automatically kill lateral velocity if you press forward? That sounds like a lot of fun, once I have some time to spare, I definitely need to get into this game.
@ahhotep1833
@ahhotep1833 6 лет назад
Just what I've been looking for in the area of FA off. I'm on PS4 and Elite Dangerous will arrive wednesday! I decided after watching quite a few 'How To's" to also get the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas4...which arrives today! Also, I like your Newton's Gambit group concept and would very much like to join Newton's Gambit as well as the Inara Wing and the groups discord, ofc. All requests to join will be sent this weekend...once I've had some game start alone time with my ship. I intend to start right off with Flight Assist off and will be using your Beginner vids...which are Awesome! I thank you and all Commanders in Newton's Gambit and the Inara Wing for providing your time and expertise in helping new Commanders get their space-legs, so to speak. New sub here :)
@oboedins
@oboedins 5 лет назад
Your teaching style is Great! Thank you for doing this.
@cmdrelizamcdougal6914
@cmdrelizamcdougal6914 3 года назад
Greetings, Cmdr. Hobbs! Finally I have to gratulate to this marvelous FAOff-Training-Series! You are my flight-instructor, who really tought me how to fly without flight assist and it really works! Really great work! Everytime, someone in my squadron asks me, how I managed to fly without FA, I recommend your video-series. So far no complains came back. ;) Thank you so much for introducing us into the "Magic of FAOff"!!! A totally new and natural flight-experience!
@moxenwolf1020
@moxenwolf1020 3 года назад
Thank you Commander McDougal. Glad you’re enjoying it!
@ikkeheltvanlig
@ikkeheltvanlig 4 года назад
This. I needed this. Elite Dangerous just became God tier
@cmdrsoundo5240
@cmdrsoundo5240 2 года назад
Cheers. Found these videos. News years 2022 resolotion. learn FA off
@Arasieus
@Arasieus 5 лет назад
Very nice prepared video and thanks for the clear voice. I use keyboard and mouse and currently my control are set as A/D Roll, W/S Vertical Thrust, Q/E yaw and space to pitch, and my mouse is set to pitch on y axis and yaw on x axis. I was wandering if you can recommend any set of control for beginners where we can further adjust it to our taste.
@JonAcostaArt
@JonAcostaArt 5 лет назад
Duuuuude....I'm a professional concept artist / illustrator who plays ED. When I'm working, I keep RU-vid running in the background, often on ED videos. I've run the Obsidian and Yamiks gamuts as well as a ton of others....started running out of ED topics to keep my brain running during art production. Today, I came across your channel and your excellent training videos! I used to play Eve and there were some great folks dedicated to training new combat players in-game but I always thought this game needs that badly. I'm a dedicated explorer (for past 4 years), half way through Pioneer rank now with the intent of picking up combat after Elite exploration rank. Your videos are so professionally narrated, succinct and eloquent. I've ALWAYS wanted to become a FAO pilot so I can't wait to employ your videos soon as I start dedicating time to combat. Cheers! Btw, just a bit of silly talk here: if you try to pronounce "FAO" in Spanglish, it sounds like "feo" which means "ugly" lol CMDR JonAcosta www.artstation.com/jacosta
@chrisdunford2346
@chrisdunford2346 4 года назад
I've been trying this for a week and can't get it it. My ship seems to go wherever it wants and I'm not sure when or for how long I'm supposed to fire a thruster. My speed always seems to be flat out and half the time I don't know if I'm going forwards or backward. As for tethering I'm lucky if I get the ship to even point at anything that I want it to. Obviously I'm doing it wrong but I don't know exactly what I'm doing wrong. Your video doesn't actually say what to do.
@zappafrank2380
@zappafrank2380 4 года назад
i cannot keep my ship steady. It rolls eighter right or left and I can't keep the nose straight. :( What does he use to controll the ship?
@osmacar5331
@osmacar5331 4 года назад
You both need to relax, glide into the position not ram into it
@andysonofbob2599
@andysonofbob2599 7 лет назад
Superb! I love the use of 'tethering' the ship to rotating objects. A great why to get the feel for the ship in FA Off.
@HaibaneOpera
@HaibaneOpera 6 лет назад
At last, I'm diving into flight assist off and enjoying it so far :) Still a total newbie as I'm still training on this video's exercices, but just being able to put your ship nose in a different direction than your vector is fun and feels like opening a world of possibilities. I had no problem with the asteroid field exercise as it only involves thrusters, but I struggle with the tethering exercise. I can tether to the ring but i'm constantly drifting left and right, I can correct my position for a while but can't keep a constant straight line like you do. Maybe it has to do with my joystick that has a high sensitivity? I will try to lower it and see if it helps. EDIT: I chose the lowest sensitivity profile and it's better, still drifting a tiny bit left and right but way more manageable. Thanks again for your videos, keep them coming!
@68Snaps
@68Snaps 4 года назад
this is not a new video by all means, but it's new for me. Thanks for the awesome explanations. I just need to figure out how to configure my X56 hotas to incorporate X Y and Z thrusters on the controls. When that's done i'm off to rebuying a sidewinder and getting the FA-OFF vibe flowing ;-) Thanks for the great insight on this video (and the follow ups). One question though, we clearly see you looking in all directions during flight, so I guess you have a VR headset. How important do you think it is? Can you faoff just looking straight out the main window of your ship, or having a free headlook actually makes the whole thing possible?
@markfarrell6810
@markfarrell6810 4 месяца назад
Absolutely fantastic tutorial series! Wish I'd found this 1700 hours (game time) ago. lol Curious, when changing from things like station keeping and just dodging asteroids, none of these is chasing you or firing one of many weapons at you. Are we just going to rely on the fact that during FA OFF, the ship controls are actually doing what you tell them to, instead of letting the flight control system interpret your input and making clean, sanitized movements under tight control? I started using a G13 game pad that has a tiny digital stick - as you say, on-off-on, no in between. I setup two macros to do the following; MACRO1: Switch FA OFF Set main thrust to zero Apply nose up thrust to pitch the ship "up" following my joust partner When my crosshairs meet his "plane" of travel MACRO2: Switch FA ON Set main thrust to 75% And hopefully end up facing my target while they perform their flip, leaving them exposed and flat faced to my crosshairs. Trying different things, I changed MACRO2 to set main thrust to -75%, leaving me facing my target with me flying backwards and giving me more targeting time as they restart their attack. While this improved my ability to inflict damage, it had problems. I found myself colliding with too many things killing my shields and sometimes causing fines. No "backup" monitor like cars have today. lol Since then, I've been through one really bad joystick (Logitech Pro) and then purchased a Turtle Beach VelocityOne FlightStick. The controls on this are amazing. No need to calibrate as "zero" is always "zero" and there is no slop in the stick, anywhere. It comes with a full X/Y/Z main stick that has two hats. H1 is digital H2 is analog. It also comes with two independent analog "thrust" controls and a kind of strange scroll wheel. The scroll wheel can be either digital J_13^ / J_14v or analog for flight trim. I use the right thrust control for vertical thrust with a 75% deadband. There are switches at the end of each thrust control. For the left thrust I have the top switch set to BOOST and the bottom switch set to BRAKE for the SRV It also comes with an adjustable control curve setting Precision / Standard /Fast for the main flight stick. I'm going to take some time getting used to it in Standard and then begin working with FA OFF and Precision mode. Oh, and no more macros for the time being. Wish me luck. CMDR Krillion Hax o7
@pentuplove6542
@pentuplove6542 4 года назад
Flight assist turned itself off on my PS4 when I took off in a Space Station. I was spinning all over. Use the Thrustmaster JAT (Joystick and Throttle).
@snowylynx36
@snowylynx36 3 года назад
This is great. My only training in FAO is flying full tilt through an asteroid field and hoping I make it. maybe I should try this.
@ojciecvaader9279
@ojciecvaader9279 5 лет назад
I must say I.m shocked but... the training really works... After few hours of trying and fluing wild around the station I think i finally found the right keys configuration... In my case it work better if I reverse directions of thrusters. So instead of pushing the direction in which I want to fly, i press the direction in which my thruster throws out the gas. So i BLOCK movement in that direction rather... And my brain started to catch it :).... And finally I started for some degree to follow a moving part of rotating station [more or less]... It took me 6 hours, but it was worth it :).. I use only keyboard and mouse and turned ON the mouse realive axis. It realy helps... Thanx for this tutorial. .. If you guys see some VERY strange Sidewinder at the station it probably will be me :)
@kellyrayburn4093
@kellyrayburn4093 7 лет назад
I've always said using Flight Assist On *all the time* is not space flight. I use a hybrid. I do use Flight Assist on but for turning in combat and getting lined up to dock (and going through the slot on a rotating station when docking), off it goes. Of course, I instinctively know that attitude of ship doesn't necessarily equal direction of travel. For those who choose to use Flight Assist Off exclusively, I would highly recommend your training videos and even application for membership in your group.
@moxenwolf1020
@moxenwolf1020 7 лет назад
Thank you Kelly!
@BasicShapes
@BasicShapes 7 лет назад
Holy hell! Incredible FAO skills. I want to play Interstellar's Docking Scene music to this. Lol!
@ArtTiller
@ArtTiller 5 лет назад
Wolf, You brought a smile to my face this evening. Watching your FA off training took me right back days as a check airman for a very large helicopter company. Flying the Agusta 109E helicopter is a big challenge for the average pilot with SAS off. (Stability Augmentation System) Most are uncomfortable flying and hovering with SAS off. I always made it a point to teach my students to hover and maneuver with SAS off. Sideways, backwards, pivot the tail rotor about a point. That sort of thing. You were doing exactly the same thing in your video. OUTSTANDING!
@nikkotjandra1824
@nikkotjandra1824 7 лет назад
This is amazing, subscribed and i will be waiting for your new vid man!
@dustinthewind3925
@dustinthewind3925 3 года назад
Kinda fun, you say... I spend hours and hours doing this when I should be grinding. These "exercises" are what space sims are all about to me, lol. It's kind of a shame that full newtonian physics aren't a thing in the game, like SC, but I can't complain too much.
@aaron_333
@aaron_333 3 года назад
Wonder if anyone tried this training using VR. 🤢
@thomasquwack9503
@thomasquwack9503 5 месяцев назад
yeah
@golem_videomaking
@golem_videomaking 5 месяцев назад
me rn, but i never had vr sickness in my entire life and probably i will never have
@zinkem2
@zinkem2 7 лет назад
Great video, can't wait till you finish this series. I've tried this several times over the past two years but I seem to be missing something. Are there any particulars with your setup (control scheme) that are are worth mentioning?
@moxenwolf1020
@moxenwolf1020 7 лет назад
I use a pretty standard setup for my x52 Pro. The only thing I really set differently than stock (other than my combat button-binds, etc), is that my throttle in the game is set to Full Range so that there is no reverse toggle, it's just all one range (reverse through forward). Also, I change my deadzone in my throttle to be at the 25% natural resistance point in the throttle instead of the default 50%. This allows me always to find Zero Thrust. Other than that, I don't work with any custom controller curves or sensitivities.
@tpmann7166
@tpmann7166 3 года назад
Here I just unloaded the assist modules, figured out how to not hit things, and then pushed the limits from there. Pretty much the same way I learned how to sail or drive on a circuit, I've had bumps and spins in all of them, but got better over time
@TuDeDaTe
@TuDeDaTe 4 года назад
Im a 1000+ h ksp player, flight assist off is the only natural way for me to fly :d but tbh it did really helped me except when I realised that the magnitude of things in this game is way more bigger than Ksp's.
@TuDeDaTe
@TuDeDaTe 4 года назад
Its a shame that this game lacks proper orbital mechanics for spacecraft.
@lb21a
@lb21a Год назад
"Newton's Gambit" i really like that
@oddball76Gaming
@oddball76Gaming 7 лет назад
Wow man what a great and very helpful video. I will be watching the rest Liked and shared too. I subbed as well :).
@moxenwolf1020
@moxenwolf1020 7 лет назад
Thanks oddball76! I'm glad it's helping out some people :D
@blackryn0
@blackryn0 7 лет назад
Getting Elite for ps4 Im new to elite, so these trainings will give the edge I need. thx
@moxenwolf1020
@moxenwolf1020 7 лет назад
blackryn0 I'm excited for the PS4 release as well. Especially since they are including HOTAS support. I think that was a great decision.
@lausianne
@lausianne 7 лет назад
perfect timing. I just got serious about FA off a couple of weeks ago. there are already good tutorials, but all a bit dated
@lol-cw8cx
@lol-cw8cx 2 года назад
I feel like you guys give yourselves way too much of an ego just cuz you don’t have space Traction control
@sidthebassist89
@sidthebassist89 2 года назад
I mainly use it during combat. Even if you don't normally fly FA off you should be using it in combat
@Nothxalias
@Nothxalias 4 года назад
Just stumbled upon this video. You missed two mandatory topics. Chapter 1) why would you do that Chapter 2) what is the difference, what does FA help you with
@padlnjones
@padlnjones Год назад
outstanding video, and I have seen hundreds of ED vids... very pleasant voice, also...
@kurushimee
@kurushimee Год назад
I might be late, but this is still useful! I'm a combat flight sim fella and want to get into E:D again, this time without FA
@DoctyrEvil
@DoctyrEvil 3 года назад
Completely off topic: I think those are communications or sensor arrays which is why they make funny noises.
@TheAlcoholic27
@TheAlcoholic27 6 лет назад
It's people like you that make the ED community so great. Thank you for sharing.
@Vixzenn
@Vixzenn 7 лет назад
My cat flies better than me without flight assist on, so thanks for this o7 sub'd+
@sawyerlawler2489
@sawyerlawler2489 6 лет назад
So essentially FAOFF = Tokyo drift In space... that's fucking awesome. Great video! I'm getting the game on ps4 soon and this is gonna be a huge help
@kainejoyes2981
@kainejoyes2981 2 года назад
You made this look so easy, I though np I’ll just blast out these exercises…..two sidewinders later…ops
@luisamador2318
@luisamador2318 3 года назад
Thank you for this tutorial! I love you HUD colors scheme, can you share it?
@luisamador2318
@luisamador2318 3 года назад
You already answer this, Thank you!, I'm gonna paste here your previous response: 0.2, 0.05, 2 -0.15, 2, -0.5 1.75, -1, -0.3
@harmlessjack
@harmlessjack 6 лет назад
These videos are fantastic, thank you for putting them together! 2 Questions: 1. The link your description seems broken, is there a site for these proficiencies somewhere? 2. I'm dying to know what the intermediate and expert proficiencies are!
@matyi1656
@matyi1656 3 года назад
Kerbal Space Program players: heh, they are waking up
@rockydowns1502
@rockydowns1502 4 года назад
FA off on console its extremely harder imo
@sidrat2009
@sidrat2009 3 года назад
This is a great way to make Elite Dangerous Fun Again. This is flying mastery at its core. Perhaps a toggle button to switch between analogue directional thrusters would be a good idea? Also the YT algorithm is really slow as I should have seen this video in 2018 at least. Regardless I've not even dabbled in flight assist off outside of combat and that's only because the AI usually likes to play jousting games unless you can get a good lateral sweep on them to remain on target. Yes I turn FA back on once in sight again, if they're still alive after a few passes I've already got their pattern and am orbiting them until they blow up. Which is a lot easier now I'm flying an engineered Fed Corvette with beam lasers. I really hope you're still playing and your community is awesome.
@moxenwolf1020
@moxenwolf1020 3 года назад
Thank you! And yeah I just started up again after a couple year hiatus.
@DannyPBradley
@DannyPBradley 6 лет назад
Hey, I'm really stuck I can't seam to be able to follow the ring around, either my ship starts moving away from the ring or to the left or right, and even if I very slightly attempt to correct myself I seem to lose control
@XxsteamerxX
@XxsteamerxX 3 года назад
Just keep at it. That's the purpose of the exercise, to teach you how fine the corrections are. 07
@ElfInflicted
@ElfInflicted 5 лет назад
This was really cool, and very informative, but I'm curious about your control setup. Specifically, how are you using headlook all the time and still able to use all of your thrusters?
@KylewTyphewn
@KylewTyphewn 5 лет назад
i think he's using a VR headset??
@egebosut197
@egebosut197 5 лет назад
TrackIR
@williamebejer
@williamebejer 4 года назад
Great tutorials Moxen Wolf. You got me into this concept of trying FA OFF and I'm back to basics using a Sidewinder. Two questions if you don't mind. I've got a Logitech X52 Pro, do you suggest to center the Throttle for forward and reverse main thrust? Have you got any suggestions for any amendments I should to customize the setting of my HOTAS? Also do you suggest the use of Joystick Curves like the xedocproject.com to refine tune for slow movements? Thanks and well done for the tutorials, I've been watching them quite a number of times to learn this FA OFF feature in Elite Dangerous. Good day!
@moxenwolf1020
@moxenwolf1020 4 года назад
Thanks William. So I don’t have my X52 Pro anymore unfortunately. But when I had it, I set it up for Full Range and the zero point was at the 25% detent. On that throttle, there are detents at around 25% and 75% where the throttle sort of notches into a predictable stopping point. My zero throttle point was at the 26% mark. This meant that I had more range to play with for forward thrust vs reverse. This also meant that the 75% detent now automatically becomes a stopping point for super cruise approaches. There’s an image I had a long time ago that I posted somewhere showing my throttle deadzones. I’ll see if I can find it. On the subject of using curves. You know I didn’t use any adjustments on the stick for my x52 when I had it BUT the newer x52 stocks are constructed differently so maybe you need something to calm it down or maybe it’s too touchy or sensitive. I used to be against using curves mainly because, when you first start out, it seems like there’s no way you could ever truly stabilize your ship because everything seems so overly sensitive. I really wanted people to embrace that uncomfortableness and learn to control their ship using that sensitivity. Then, when they finally got to the point where they could essentially stop their ship bringing it to zero, they would have all of that sensitivity as a tool to use when they needed snappy motion. I do still think that is a good way to begin. However, I can certainly see setting up different curves later and using them as modes of operation. Separate from curves, deadzones are really critical especially on these newer sticks. Make sure that you can reliably put your stick into a state where you know for certain it isn’t producing any inputs. And in case you’re wondering what happened to my x52. That stick lasted TEN years before it gave out. I upgraded to an x56 that lasted about a year before something started shorting inside the stick. I looked it up online and saw that a lot of other people had the same issue. I thought it might be bare wires or something so I opened it up, no bare wires to be found, nothing rubbing weird. Turns out after I took it in to my engineering shop here and let the guys look at it, something was messed up in the card itself so it wasn’t fixable. So now I can’t fly. But I’m saving up for a warthog and some peddles.
@williamebejer
@williamebejer 4 года назад
@@moxenwolf1020 Thanks a lot Moxen, I'll set it up as you suggested and give it a go. Doing so I'll save a button to switch reverse and forward for another useful task. I won't install the Virtual Joystick for curves for the time being. Will stick to learn the correct positions of this joystick. I'll check the deadzones if any and adjust from the settings if need be. As for what you stated regarding your x52, it is a great product, however the throttle gave me a lot of trouble. Had to dismantle it a couple of times to fix the internal wiring getting snapped from the connector. Then I managed to use am IDE (computer HDD) ribbon cable to extend the wiring and soldered it in place. So far so good. My son is now eagerly waiting to have a go with Elite Dangerous, and there is where the danger is going to be :-) So I was going to buy the x56 for myself and give him the x52, however according to forums, I am finding that the x56 is also problematic. The Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog is a truly a workhorse so I'll start saving for that too :-) In the meantime I'll try to get along with FA OFF learning from your valuable tutorials of which I honestly thank you.
@replay_pete
@replay_pete 3 года назад
Thank you sir. It was kind of easy to understand that for me though as I already have some experience playing Kerbal Space Program. I didn't even know that all these Newtonian laws do work in Elite too. I love it!
@moxenwolf1020
@moxenwolf1020 3 года назад
KSP is an excellent game!
@TheHongKongHermit
@TheHongKongHermit 7 лет назад
Excellent video, and lovely presentation. In (checks clock) 4.5 days I finally get into space on PS4, and I'm planning to start out with flight assist off from day one. I may fail at it, but I want to try. Elite Dangerous is the space game I've been waiting my entire life for, so I'd rather put in the extra effort to master it, or explode a lot in the attempt.
@Azrudi
@Azrudi 7 лет назад
This is great. I've only used FA-off so that I turn around faster but that's all, it's pretty much useless to me for other things with my current proficiency level. So thanks very much for this tutorial! One thing that bothers me with FA is that when ever I disable it I just roll and roll out of control and whatever roll correction I try to make just makes it worse. I just roll and roll until I turn FA on. Would you have some tips on how to handle this? Thanks, and subscribed!
@moxenwolf1020
@moxenwolf1020 7 лет назад
Thank you for the comment and the question Azudi! My advice would be to work that skill that I mentioned in the beginning of the video that I call "Quiet your Ship". I or one of the other Gambit Commanders should maybe make a video on it at some point. Basically, the exercise is... #1 FAON to a location outside of a reference point, something that is big enough to see visually (a station is perfect) #2 Get a little ways out from the station but so that you can still see it #3 Come to a full stop with FAON #4 Turn FAOFF #5 At this point your ship will naturally slowly start to pivot on its axes (plural) #6 Take a minute to just sit back and feel comfortable with this pivot #7 Now, try to give a small input (only with your stick, your throttle is always at zero) in the opposite direction of one of the axes. This input should be quick, very small, and immediately zeroed out afterwards. Essentially, this means that you should perform a very small move with your joystick and then center it again. #8 Continue to make these small corrections to get it to stabilize. When you're flying FAOFF, you have to continually make these small corrections to maintain both nose position and position for your next vector change. #9 If you, at any time, notice that it's spinning out of control, turn FAON, get back in position, and begin again. I hope this helps, maybe we can do a video on this sometime soon. Thanks again for the comment!
@jb3454
@jb3454 5 лет назад
Thanks for the video man. Been about a year since I've played. My ps4 broke a year ago and I finally just bought an xbox one with the hotas one. This video really helped me out
@urstaxfetish1206
@urstaxfetish1206 4 года назад
Would you recommend Hotas or Dual stick as easier to use FAO.. I currently use keyboard and mouse, but been thinking about going dual stick.
@Cyb3r_pr0ph3t
@Cyb3r_pr0ph3t 4 года назад
Hotas is definitely more enjoyable
@Veebat
@Veebat 4 года назад
Hey man I know this is two years old and all but I have just returned to the game after four years and have been using your training. This type of flying has changed the feel of this game entirely and I feel Way more in tune with my ships in just the past week of running these early exercises. I even started filming some of my training. I sure do bounce off the station a lot at first but I can feel certain skills melting into intuition. Thanks for this.
@omer1996d2
@omer1996d2 5 лет назад
We need a navball like in KSP. FA off would be much more accurate if we could always see the relative direction of targets and our vectors.
@Obi-Wan81
@Obi-Wan81 4 года назад
Amazing video. But... Please show us some video of you actually doing it. As in what you're doing with your hands on your Hotas. That would really help...
@thetheftoffire5596
@thetheftoffire5596 3 года назад
Great series!! Which controls do you use? Im switching constantly between default (right stick yaw) or alternativ (right stick "side ways").
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