As someone who is literally about to spend the next 4 hours of my life trapped in meetings I 100% agree with this. I’ve got a million deadlines and I lose half my day.
I worked in a hospital for 40 years... the majority of our meeting were held STANDING UP... in this way, we said and discussed things QUICKLY and EFFICIENTLY and moved on
I worked in a hospital too, but not as medic staff, i worked in hospital IT departament, and our meetings were the same, all team listening to team lead, all standing up in half circle around him, pretty efficient way of planning tasks and set deadlines.
When I saw the thumbnail I was expecting the rules to be pure insanity but like damn my job needs those rules. The amount of times I’ve been brought to a meeting for something that has nothing to do with my department is ridiculous
As a software engineer myself, this is spot on. Meetings destroy productivity and are definite time killers. I wish more companies followed these rules lol
@@stuwest5862 I can assure you that Tesla isn’t built on the backbone of long meetings where 90% of participants don’t contribute. If the meeting is important, attend it. Otherwise, use your time elsewhere on something productive. Simple.
i was just about to mention something like that. I date someone who worked for the state and they had meetings everyday. Such a waste of time and she agreed.
@@AlexG-pt2zsThat is such a load of crap. People love to say government employees waste time and money but what people do not understand is that most government offices are understaffed and employees are doing the jobs of 2 or 3 employees for the pay of 1. While all of you were home during Covid we were IN THE OFFICE WORKING. We were considered essential employees. While you were farting around in your boxer shorts we were putting in 10 hour and 12 hour days. Everybody knows that you should take a government job right out of college because if you can survive being a "public servant" you can easily thrive in the private sector. We bust our a$$es and do 3Xs the productivity of private sector. lmao Your comment is borne out of envy because, while we are paid less, our benefits are better. Stop crying about something you clearly have no experience with. Comments like yours make it that much more enjoyable watching private sector employees who come over to government jobs flounder because they have preconceived notions that it will be a cake walk. WRONG. I bet you wouldn't last a month.
These are actual good rules. Corporate structure and processes are usually so inefficient. It doesn't hurt to trim down the fat and make room for only useful stuff.
Meh, those are the rules for robots, not people. "leave a meeting if you`re not contributing" for example, I learnt a lot on meetings, even the big ones, tho I didn't contribute anything. "be clear, not clever" - same thing, maximum efficiency at all times without even a smirk is why japanese are offing themselves from the rooftops.
@@wybuchowyukomendant these are awesome rules wdym? Being clever is a dumb persons way of trying to sound smart. Simplicity is more valuable. If you’re learning from a meeting then you are contributing
What is your point here? You, like most vocal democrats, now hate Elon. You all loved him until he stood up for free speech and now since you disagree now hate him. So predictable
@@bnchi Obviously he means follow the principles of the rules. There will always be rules, he is clarifying that you can bend them in order to better follow the spirit of those rules.
I worked in a hospital for 40 years... the majority of our meeting were held STANDING UP... in this way, we said and discussed things QUICKLY and EFFICIENTLY and moved on ... :) ...
I understand if you're understaffed and busy in a hospital, it might be necessary to do it in such a way, but that doesn't make it a good way. It will makes people stressed. If a company really has a need to make everything that efficient and quick, then it's not a healthy company and it for sure is full of stressed employees.
@@peterwhitey4992 Stand up meetings are a staple of agile work, they work. I've been to maany comfy meetings where almost all of the time was spent talking about the weekend or the weather, and if nobody interrupted to bring back the focus, they could last hours, for something that could have been worked out in 15-30 minutes
@@ggandalff - I was commenting on the "QUICKLY and EFFICIENTLY and moved on ...", as if everything must be top efficient, rather than making a good workplace for the employees.
When the first rule was avoid large meetings I thought it was going to be some anti-union bs but that actually sounds like a pretty good set of rules to live by in the workspace.
This IS some anti-union bs tho. "competitive advantage" like wtf, you should'nt be competing with your colleagues, you should fight together for better working conditions, demanding a better pay, you know... union shit!!
The worst thing is getting pulled out of your work for a meeting that doesn't require your presence, but they think you should "listen in". This completely breaks workflow and almost puts you back to the beginning of what you were doing when you were pulled away from your work!
@@phxees Yup i hate that the most alongside if you are REALY bussy doing something important and tehn you are called for a meetiung and if you dont come you to some degree alreyd becoming/being branded as a black sheep among the group and also seen as some a*hole who defies overlords aka bosses summons.Not to mention hat then otehrs epsecialy power/money/positio/status hungry so called fellow workbuddies end up USING that against you and boss usualy says yes toi tehm bcs hey they answered every masters summon while this one dissobeyed and didt coem to few meetings no matter the contexts of the meting if you didnt obey the summons even if the meeting has nothin to do with you ist seen as you are going against the boss istelf liek you are going against teh whole company WHEN REALITY is that the meeting is about something that has NOTHING to do with yoru department,has NOTHING to do with the thing you curently working on and on top of that they puling you offf from extremely imporatnt work that has been done esepcialy if its at tiem when you are solwing extremely omplicated issue and finaly got a hand of it or detected some of the issues but still far off from fixing it.
I feel your anger, had my work place conduct bi-weekly meetings where most of the time its just a repeat of old things we've already discussed. The truly important meetings with every member happen once every month and those are important.
I worked for one of USA’s largest publisher and it was the meetings, constant, unnecessary meetings. I couldn’t believe how many company-wide to department meetings every week, usually, multiple a day. It was exhausting, but the snacks were on point everytime.
Based on all my years of experience in corporations and companies, those rules are spot on. Meetings by and large are the number one time wasters at a company and most are pointless.
@@matthewthibodeaux9830 Meetings at my company tend to be very heavy on the discussion topics. It's a waste of time in my opinion. I have to listen to two people discuss about something while 20 people sit there and wait their turn to discuss their own project with the supervisor. Sure it saves time for the supervisor, but the rest of the team has to sit their and look pretty for the camera while they wait their turn to talk. It's 30 minutes to an hour every week waisted. None of the projects overlap, so it doesn't benefit the 20+ people to listen the status of all the projects. But that's what we do because the boss loves meetings.
Its great for teaching new hires too. They dont have anything to contribute and just listen. They should just leave without any knowledge and start destroying the Company, as their Idol does. /s
The lead architect of my former studio would always say ‘clients pay us to design buildings not to have meetings’. Love him for it. It would be of no surprise that studio produced some of the best work of my career.
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Agree with all except for #2. Juniors can gain a lot being in meetings where they don't contribute - e.g. seeing how your boss presents, negotiates, etc with the client (so you can learn how to do this in the future)
@@MichaelRobertsWasHere not really, a Training would require one of the Senior colleagues o take time exclusively to prepare and explain something to junior colleagues. Conversely, letting Junior Team members sit in Meetings to witness how others work is both an efficient way for them to observe the establised work dynamics, as well as a good way to get fresh 'outsider' feedback.
I was waiting for the one or two rules to disagree on, but these are excellent rules! I'm fortunate to work in a small team of software devs where our team lead uses the same rules: when the subject is not applicable to you or you have more urgent prio's : drop the call. Yes, we we tend to do most on Teams, not in person. Additional benefit: prep-time is minutes, there is no closing laptop/ workstation, go to meeting room, take notepad and pen
I was in a job at one point where our Wednesday staff meeting: -was 5 hours long, -if on staff, you were expected to be there - you must attend and stay whether or not you had anything to contribute -You were empowered only if you did what you were told to do -Every vocalised idea was met with, "Good. But..." -You never knew if you were going to be singled out and made example of for sake of the "owner" making his authority known. I don't work there any more.
:) I feel you. I had to stand with others for 30 mins just to say to everyone that everything is fine in my department.. I was sick of it. I had to be there even if my presence was needed in my department. Then I usually said, everything is going to be ok if I can get back to work.. It worked sometimes.
These rules also apply nicely to those of us who work from home… my husband thinks nothing of continually interrupting me, asking me questions all over the map. We run a business together and he’s generally out of the office and it gets so much more done! The best way to handle questions without hampering someone’s work flow is to write it down and if you must ask as opposed to text, etc. gather your questions and have a quick sit down meeting. You can’t argue with Elon and his success. Thanks for this Casey!💜
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Agree with all the rules, but always liked Gary Vee’s outlook the most… “Don’t ever expect your employees to care as much as you do, unless they have equal shares in the company” 🙌
I always find that quote so disingenuous. People don't need to be invested, they're paid a salary. if the pay isn't good enough, get a different job. If the pay is good enough, you should do what you can to continue earning that salary. No-one owes you a living, pay isn't a hand out, its a transaction, work for money.
as a software engineer I've used these rules just like many others for years. 95% of all big meetings could just be a email, its such a waste of time and cost the company a lot in cash. We have gotten our stands-ups down to 5 minutes now, its great. I also love that in my company, the busy icon in teams means something... you gonna disturb me? It better be very important.
A tech tip for you is to convince your boss to actually do stand-ups while standing up like Adele Etherton said in her comment it forces you to do "things QUICKLY and EFFICIENTLY"
If you're a software engineer you shouldn't side with elon. Dude doesn't know shit about the tasks his employees have to do but pretends he does and even interviews them
I worked at some silicon valley companies and even Apple. Those are excellent rules. meeting-itis just makes you look busy and meetings are usually poorly run. Elon's onto something.
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I worked at Tesla for 4+ years and I cover a lot of this on my channel. These rules work folks. I’ve never seen a more productive, inspired, and hard working group of folks in my life. And it was INCREDIBLY rewarding.
@@jeannine1991 he has videos on his experience there. I’m not sure why he stopped working there, but I think he made a bunch of money because of his stock compensation, and now makes Tesla RU-vid videos.
Stopped showing up to standups everyday and ignored emails from my superior in the chain of command! It worked great! Until they fired me 2 weeks later
I disagree with the communicate directly rule. I am a senior engineer who has worked on various projects in my org. I get messaged by person 1 on team A then by person 2 on team A regarding the same thing.
Sooooo true!! I use to avoid large meetings because it WAS a waste of time. Just management show casing themselves and reminding you who is in charge but do nothing but waste my time, be less productive, etc. Then I was labeled as not being a team player. Go figure.
A really bright CTO I was doing business with needed me to meet all his key staff. Instead of having everyone on a 2 hour call, he had each person jump on for 10 minutes to speak, and then he literally would kick them off as to not waste their time. And I don't think you'll be shocked to hear everyone likes working for him. And I liked doing business with him.
We had 5 minute stand-up meetings twice a week. It worked well. You had to be quick and precise and it kept the day to day business running smoothly , loved it!
Coming from someone who works out in the field as a craftsmen, and not in the office with all these pen pushers, for a very LARGE firm, i totally agree with Elons methods. This would benefit everyone so much!!!
That one about meeting. I wish this was followed more. Where I work, we have meetings about meetings. Hard to get things done when you’re always in or planning for a meeting!
The chain of command one is spot on but in reality can get you in trouble. Personally I like to know that issues are getting solved and sometimes the person in the middle may disagree without actually understanding the situation whereas the decision maker would understand but not get the opportunity because the solution was doa. It's tricky. I use my own discretion on this.
That rule basically ask all team members to become communication windows, which requires even more efficient internal communication inside of the team. At the beginning it might create a lot of chaos, but once the team survive, it will has a very very efficient internal communication inside. Which is too expensive for a lot of companies haha. In my opinion of course.
I strongly not recommend that one. It is great for the company and management, but it's really bad for your career. I used to do a lot of directly conversation with teammates to solve problems, but at my company's feedback one on one (manager and me), even if he knew about that issue (most cases, manager didn't know), he kinda understimate the situation like, "if you, that is hierachically above me and can solve by yourself then it was a really simple problem". In resume, you could solve the problem but you can't get real values back. My final suggestion to use it is raise chain of command already providing a solution.
We used to have a monthly meeting for all the employees. The worst part about those meetings is that people who needed to hear those things are always late or not there.
During my 10 years of jobs at 6 big MNC and 1 midsize domestic software company, I kept saying these exact things and tried to follow these as much as possible. Except for that midsize domestic company, where I thrived and people liked the informal way, everywhere else I was stamped as a good worker but bad employee. I finally realized I can't walk on lines drawn by others and quit those, it's been 7 years now.
I love when Casey does videos like this. "Break from the usual programming" type stuff. I have a feeling this will end up being one of his larger vids long term as it'll pull in non-traditional casey consumers searching elon.
Ironically enough, this video would be an excellent example of a large-scale meeting: Effective setting of standards that affect and apply to everyone on a team. Good Stuff.
@@M21655 Why is richness the measure for making sense? The dude is a lying sociopathic con man xD He literally made his money by deceiving people and the government to receive funding and then bought companies that already existed and claimed them as his own.
@@WhiffenC So are you making the argument that he doesn't make sense? Are you also making the argument that somebody who is not intelligent could use the same tactics he did and can become the richest person on the planet? Yikes
Ya know Casey I was really looking forward to your feedback on these rules. Me personally I think they’re great and make a lot of sense. Great to have to back!!
3 has worked for me. after months of our supervisors sending emails everywhere i just reached out directly to them and its worked faster and more efficiently because honestly i dont think their supervisor ever told them anything
I once had a meeting about having a meeting to discuss how to approach a meeting. I asked if this was really what we are doing and everyone looked at me like I was the crazy one when all I was thinking about was how in the heck I was going to hit my deadlines with all these extra meetings.
Agree 100%. My company has 10am meetings every single day. Such a waste of time.They are suppose to be quick, 10 minute meetings but always turn out to be 45-60 minutes. So about 5 hours a week in these "quick" meetings. everybody needs to attend even if it has nothing to do with your department.
The daily morning meeting was one reason why I quit my last job 😄 I arrived at work fit and focused and this meeting completely killed both my mood and my momentum every day.
Those seem good if you're the boss. If you have ever been an employee, you know that if you try to leave a meeting halfway (even if your input is not required) you get fired. Forget the chain of command and you get fired. Avoid company rules (even if they are nonsense) and you get fired.
as a marine engineer i agree with half of the points, meetings and big team briefings do have a place and are useful. a lot of the time in engineering technical jargon is unavoidable.
REALLY good guidelines 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 everybody should do that, just implement it in your life. Problem is, that most NTś dont get it, mainly because they are so focused on getting an advantage over other people.
@@larsstougaard7097 that's a white collar 'crime'. A 'white collar' job or worker is: "A person who performs professional, desk, managerial, or administrative work. White-collar work may be performed in an office or other administrative setting." This would relate to the people who worked at Twitter or any other desk job that Elon was referencing. :)
Lol I’ve been working like this instinctively for years. Meetings tend to be a waste of time unless they’re right at the start of the day to allocate jobs that need completing by a set time. The only rules to be followed should be health and safety rules and rules for legal compliance.
That last rule even Elon doesn't follow. Common sense dictates that for a lot of people there is no need to be in the office and they can work remotely just as efficiently or more efficiently than in the office, but he's the one mandating that everybody be in the office a minimum 40 hours a week or be fired.
This felt weird. I was certain he will either disagree on something or give us an input, but this timr around, Casey just wanted to make sure we heard about those rules. 😎
I'm interested to see how ignoring the chain of command will work. I can see some pros and cons but I'm really curious to see if it will overwhelm leadership with subordinates concerns or if the open communication will outweigh with positive input
Workflow is a undervalued principal. Many roles work so well when the employee is "on a roll" or "in the zone" I get interruptions at least once every 30 minutes, some of these are just a social chat, or I hear others nattering on about something in the hallway. SO frustrating. The pandemic taught me I can get more work done working from home without all the stupid interruptions and meetings in the office.
@@sydneyharbour-bridges8090 you may want to do some research on that. I watched him speak at a live event, where he specifically addressed that misconception. He said “most people think I am businessman, I am not, I am the lead scientist at space X and on my day to day functions my focus is science. I pay good money to a lot of people who are good at the business side of things”
Ok lets just be clear, this is very good when it comes to small organizations and not multinational ones. this is my perspective and i work with processes and technical teams. Like if big manufacturing companies follow this it will not end well. Let's say for example Twitter where only one product in core these 6 rules are good but still not perfect. maybe it's better bc Twitter now has most of the staff laid off. This will backfire in a long run and we all here will not notice bc most of internal failures take a long time to have a significant impact that gets visible to the public.
I agree with these as someone working for a larger company and have lost time needed to meet deadlines for meetings that didn't have any value towards my direct duties. But I think some social meetings with colleges are important towards production quality.
I literally thought Casey was going to vent about this ; and this is not only one of the most random videos, its also one of the best, useful quick advice videos.
same... I saw the thumbnail and title and was seriously wondering if this was the day I unsubscribed. Glad he's not following the current agenda of being a follower to try to make Musk to be the badguy.
I've been thinking this exact way for year's. Some companies have so many meetings all day long. It's shocking how any actual work ever gets done. Yes, meetings are critical for the most part but sometimes difficult to properly disperse it's effectiveness. When all unnecessary payroll inactivity is calculated especially in very large companies it gets massive quickly.
People hate Zoom meetings, but this video reminded me of a huge benefit of them. You can attend meetings without any intention to contribute... but you can listen in and jump in if you need to. But mostly you can just listen while you work on your tight project deadline (multitask). You cannot multitask if you were physically at a meeting.
You can't actually pay attention to the meeting while you're working on your project though. And if you can, then you attention is now split between two things, instead of only focusing on your work right in front of you, which could be argued that defeats the whole entire purpose.
But you can be happily working on your project while keeping one ear on the meeting: but suddenly when you have to pay attention to the meeting and don't fully understand what has been going on...those at the meeting do not feel like explaining to you. So either turn up or stay away.
There's no such thing if you're doing deep work. If you're coding for instance, you can't logically think and listen to someone talking about something unrelated to that at the same time. Your focus shifts and you lose concentration. That only works if you're doing stuff that doesn't require any concentration at all, which is almost never on a company like Tesla or any other tech company (I'm a Software Engineer).
@@XloMotion He actually added details that weren't in the thread lmao, he completely agrees with those rules, else he would have never used his platform to promote them without criticising them
I can agree with this logic. Just left my last job where we had daily opening calls, twice-weekly manager calls, and monthly kickoffs, all separate from our working time. Not helpful. Morning calls contributed nothing, manager calls could be held with a quarter as much frequency and be fine (heck even the opening calls, if they were right after the manager calls, would contain the exact same information). Monthly kickoffs I could see being essential to knowing how to do your job efficiently for the month. But even the manager calls and kickoffs were redundant because the pdf of the calls were available the morning of on the company website anyway.
I agree with these "guidelines" completely. I am a senior software developer/architect consultant for fortune 500 companies meaning most things I do are very complex and time consuming. If I cannot collaborate with others and come to a consensus quickly and clearly then there is no use in talking at all. If someone is falling behind in the pool of thought then I send them to someone who has the time & ability to catch them up but I do not involve myself. Three 30-40 minute meetings a week is my max. This does not include someone who is onboarding though since they will need more time to catch up but within 3-7 months they should be at the same pace for a senior dev roughly.
I’m curious what the same class would say about properly staffing a business versus having factory workers making $75-90K a year at $19 an hour regular pay? To save you some math…that’s 60-72 hours a week, every single week of the year. $19/hour is ~$40k to normal people with families they see sometimes…If you follow. It’s a neat idea, nobody likes meetings. They also don’t save any money at all by keeping meetings full of salaried managers short. .. especially if they meet for five minutes to declare more factory-wide overtime for the next week. That’s a really, really expensive five minute meeting.
Loved this. The only rule I’m skeptical about is #2: “leave a meeting if you’re not contributing”. Many introverts learn a lot in attendance without speaking. Then again, this goes against #1 in that the more in attendance the more it feels like speaking to an audience. So perhaps those silent should leave, in this regard.
Man I wish that people understood rule #2 where I work. I have attended so many useless meetings where I have nothing to contribute or don't apply to me.
