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Darn, now this is one sad looking bicycle frame - painted at least 3 times - lastly in a super thick hand applied black horrible stuff, this bike frame needs some sort of intervention!
Now I never really wanted this one but it had been floating around on the internet forsale for some time - nobody wanted it and you can see why... but look closely and its something altogether more interesting - it started out life as a Pegoretti made `97 Carrera Asics CGA team bike, rider number 2 - Marco Bellini - as soon as I figured that out, well it has to be saved...
The question I need help with - colour scheme - the `97 Asics CGA Blue with chrome forks (as per original paint) or the `98 Asics CGA Blue/Orange/White with chrome forks and orange FIR rims.... just don`t know what to do - help me out here!
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@mattmatthews4070 2 месяца назад

My vote would be for the Blue team colour and chromed forks, then it retains originality and still looks VERY Tasty 😃👍. thanks.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Think your right there, Dan

@leightonbohl1920 24 дня назад

Keep it original - blue and chrome. It is what it is. You’re rebuilding it because of its history, and that’s a large part of your interest in the bike. But well done for finding the frame and restoring it. And, unlike a lot of the other frames you’ve showcased, this one is your size and it will be a brilliant ride! Cheers - always enjoy the channel.

@vintagevelos9517 24 дня назад

Blue and chrome with blue rims is the plan - yep, makes a change to be my size though I never let that stop me, Dan

@shoff535 2 месяца назад

1998 blue, orange & white

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Tempting... Dan

@MattHarrisonMattHBkk 2 месяца назад

Go bold! Blue orange & white but need to find a pair those orange anodized rims.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

The rims are super cool - though Fir also did them in blue... Dan

@trevorbozzer4562 2 месяца назад

The intrinsic value of the original paint is long gone thanks to others. I would go with what you prefer…the fade. Me personally, I would go with the blue and chrome but only because that is what I prefer. Good luck on the restoration.

@lesliereissner4711 2 месяца назад

Hard decision to make here! The blue/orange/white scheme really looks good but since this was an actual team frame I would go with the blue/chrome as it was originally. While that design was quite conservative it is also quite elegant so you can't really lose either way. That was some cruel treatment of a Pegoretti frame!

@worldofameiso5491 2 месяца назад

Original blue from me, but as you will be its owner you should choose.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Blue and chrome will look cool - perhaps some Fir ano blue rims... Dan

@edmundhodgson2572 2 месяца назад

Living in Cambridge, this is how you paint a bike so its still there when you get back to it!

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Nice!!!!!! Dan

@fredthompson9814 2 месяца назад

Keep it real and accurate with its history. I like the second colour option best but keep it Team Blue. Cheers from Canada

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Yep, think you are right, Dan

@humidor3 2 месяца назад

Original blue, chrome fork

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Yep, classic look Dan

@ChuckHarris-go5nz 2 месяца назад

Your bike, your call. However, I would be inclined to keep it original as a historical Show bike. If it is just one in the stable, the go with what brings you joy! I cannot wait to see the end result. Have fun.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Yep, its the history that weighs in, Dan

@markp9856 2 месяца назад

How about some forensic paint layer stripping, see if you can identify its original colour scheme? Im not talking painstakingly removing each layer, just go at it at a couple of points on front, centre and rear to see if it was one or more original colours. Could make for some short extended vids and uncovering the truth. You never know what good surprises may lay in store. Enjoy this project mate😉

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Yep, planning on that - some areas seem to have original blue - mainly the hard to get at areas - the tubes look like they have been stripped - did try some gentle paint remover but it didn`t touch the black, Dan

@matthewsmith6486 2 месяца назад

I like the blue with chrome fork best but it's your bike. I'm sure it'll be awesome whatever you decide to do. It'll probably ride super sweet too!

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Think Blue/chrome wins out - TSX/Cinelli and Pegoretti are a match made in heaven... Dan

@ianradcliffe4835 2 месяца назад

My vote is for blue with chrome forks - classy look.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Noted, Dan

@altaloma7789 2 месяца назад

Blue, but for a different set of reasons. You won't have to explain or make excuses. Plus it's about the honesty of the restoration. A straight blue paint plan makes no excuses and isn't trying to be something it never was. It has the dignity and honesty to be just what it was. If it were a counterfeit, or just any old bike, then yah, go ahead. But it has a pedigree. Stick to it.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Actually, your right - I`m the type of chap who would explain the colour change to everyone... Dan

@ripvanwinkle3509 2 месяца назад

Blue/orange/white. Will look amazing. That's my vote :)

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

It would look epic, Dan

@paulgaida2601 2 месяца назад

Original scheme Dan. I think it looks classier and will better reflect the craftsmanship of Dario’s work.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Yep - looking foward to seeing it without its heavy black coat... Dan

@kris8165 2 месяца назад

Blue/orange/white! Pleeease Dan!😅 Greetings from Croatia from Kris 😎

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Don`t encourage me... :) Dan

@kris8165 2 месяца назад

@@vintagevelos9517 Oh I will 😊😅

@Mafacracer 2 месяца назад

The '98 colours are more visually appealing. If it was still blue I'd vote to retain the '97 scheme. One thing's for sure no-one is going to appreciate that frame in its current state!

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Things really can only get better with this one, Dan

@jeremynorth 2 месяца назад

Blue and chrome no question

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Good clear advice, I`m on it, Dan

@simonr8323 2 месяца назад

It needs to be the original blue and chrome in my opinion, timeless colour scheme too.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Think your right there, Dan

@dinodaniel2237 2 месяца назад

Hey Dan great and interesting acquisition.Can’t go wrong with a Pegoretti. frame. I think I would keep in blue and chrome. I’m definitely looking forward to a road review after completion. All the best!

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Can`t wait to ride this one, Dan

@01FozzyS 2 месяца назад

Blue livery gets my vote! Looking forward to this build!

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Yep, will get started some point soon, Dan

@mwatkins1445 2 месяца назад

My vote is for the original blue with chrome forks.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

It is classic, Dan

@user-vv3jg4hv4u 2 месяца назад

Well, here’s my opinion that many would disagree with. The paint is only original once. Given this can’t be saved/restored and needs to be removed - it’s not going to be ‘original’ anymore. Go with what you’d prefer, the 98 paint scheme with blue, orange and white. It’ll be awesome either way, and you’re saving another steel frame. Look forward to seeing this project!

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Looks like blue/chrome is winning out, Dan

@bradford_shaun_murray 2 месяца назад

Email Bellini? He might also have some original parts.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Anyone got his email address? Dan

@nickdowdell2441 2 месяца назад

Stick with the blue original and maybe orange bar tape . It would also make a great resto mod with slightly newer group set than late 90's that should be easier to find and keep cost down. That paint may have to be professionally removed , great project though.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

I`m thinking blue/chrome but with Fir blue rims... Dan

@johnflynn4923 2 месяца назад

If it was a run of the mill mass produced factory frame I wouldn't care less and I'd paint it like a box of smarties. Given though that it's a Pegoretti built frame I would 100% go original. These sort of finds are getting more and more difficult to come across with every passing year.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Yep, on board, Dan

@leighdickinson8299 2 месяца назад

Dan it has to be the `98 Asics CGA Blue/Orange/White with chrome forks and orange FIR rims., that such a lovely paint job, it would make the bike look great & more important than it actually is!

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Its an awesome look for sure, Dan

@bullswoodskirmish1646 2 месяца назад

I think out of respect for Bellini, it should be blue and chrome. However, blue & orange does look very cool..so would understand if you decided to go that way...and maybe he would too!

@berenicebaker7191 2 месяца назад

We are outvoted, but I also thought that blue/orange very tasty.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

@@berenicebaker7191 I`m coming around to blue/chrome with Blue Fir rims for a bit more flamboyance... Dan

@berenicebaker7191 2 месяца назад

Poor old bike, it looks so sad. I’m sure it’s going to glow after a lot of hard work, and I look forward to seeing it. 🩷

@brynmatton107 2 месяца назад

Always original if possible in my opinion

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Whereever possible - can`t wait to see whats left under that black, Dan

@vedranmartic 2 месяца назад

best option is that you pass that bike to me :) There is only once original color/bike and anything after is just imitation. By your comment is clear that you dont like "original" paint and you should paint/build it in any style that you like and would make you to want to ride that bike more .... Before all that effort and money i would build it as is and decide if and how much i like the bike .

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Great comment - though I`m inclined towards the blue/orange/white I`d be more than happy with blue/chrome - especially if there`s more chrome under that black and maybe I source some Fir blue rims... Dan

@Jack42Frost 2 месяца назад

Nice. I would expect you to go for the original colour. I think i would in this case.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

On board with that, Dan

@jamiepjc 2 месяца назад

Blue,orange,white!!!!

@paulschulman8131 2 месяца назад

Blue with chrome. Doesn't matter. Needs to be part of the team it was from at the time

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Think your right there, Dan

@BuffsVintageBikes 2 месяца назад

Dearie me, some people shouldn’t be allowed near a bike with paint 🤦🏼‍♂️ IMHO, any bike with a rich history should go back it original, without doubt, so blue & chrome for sure 👍🏼

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Yep, coming round to that thinking, Dan

@SunLam 2 месяца назад

Blue with chrome.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Classic look, Dan

@MrSJR39 2 месяца назад

Put it back to original - blue with chrome forks. Much cooler than the blue/orange/white.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Yep, think thats the new plan, Dan

@charlesmansplaining 2 месяца назад

I like orange color on some things, it gives that racer look but I have to agree with the majority here that leaving the orange out and just going with the original blue would be my choice too. I never really liked the paint schemes Pegoretti did anyway. They just aren't fitting for a bicycle. I'm currently having a custom steel vintage like frame made for me by a US builder and I also choose to have it painted blue with polished stainless forks and stays but the lugs will get paint. Can't have a bike looking too much like a Colnago.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Yep - if you like blue and polished just wait until you see the `89 Carrera team bike I`ve just finished - chrome frame with blue chromo, just stunning - video soon, Dan

@elric467 2 месяца назад

Got to be back to blue.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

On board, Dan

@andypettitt1344 2 месяца назад

If the seller knew it was a Pegoretti build,it would have gone for big money

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

For sure - despite the state its in he would have held out for top dollar - but the work involved is still big, Dan

@nikolausschallhart8654 2 месяца назад

After all the paint disaster the frameset went through, i think it would desereve to get the original paintscheme back to prevent it becoming schizophrenic.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Got to think of the bikes well being, Dan

@caerffili_callin 2 месяца назад

If you can get the orange rims then I would go with the 98 colours but if not stick to the 97 blue with chrome forks.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Those rims are VERY hard to source - blue Fir are available though - maybe with blue Fir hubs as well... Hmmmm..... Ebay.... Dan

@aintnobodygottime4dat 2 месяца назад

Keep it authentic.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

yep, on it, Dan

@EwartandBev 2 месяца назад

Original blue with chrome.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Thats the prevelent thinking, Dan

@peterstent182 2 месяца назад

Back to the original colours would be my choice.

@user-sl3rn6sx9r 2 месяца назад

Original for me

@5tanw0rr311 2 месяца назад

Blue and chrome!!!!

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

On it, Dan

@5tanw0rr311 2 месяца назад

@@vintagevelos9517 keeping it as a period piece does not negate its aesthetic beauty in any way 😉

@croydontramcabrides9767 2 месяца назад

Original blue with chrome forks

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

On it, Dan

@thomasrudland4016 2 месяца назад

Artistic licence to do what you want

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Well, it can`t get any worse... Dan

@paulcurotto3884 2 месяца назад

It’s got to be blue and chrome forks as it will be so as it should be and much less in your face without the orange and white 👍

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

But I do like in your face late `90`s bikes.... though I draw the line at earings and dogtags, Dan

@paulcurotto3884 2 месяца назад

😂

@edwardp5748 2 месяца назад

cool it up!

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Hmm... I am rather taken with the Fir blue rims/hubs... Dan

@jimjohnstone8665 2 месяца назад

Dan, Keep it original, you can't go wrong or you will get pelters from the vintage mafia

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

And I often offend the vintage mafia with my brake lever placement so better behave myself... Dan

@CDeBeaulieu 2 месяца назад

Keep it blue original!

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Thats the winning choice, Dan

@billlyall3838 2 месяца назад

Hi Dan , original for me.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Noted, Dan

@duettoq 2 месяца назад

My vote, blue frame, chrome fork. Question, any other chrome bits, e.g. chain stays, seat stays?

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

There is some chrome hiding under that black - won`t know for sure how much/how good until that black is gone - looks like chainstays which would be great - the more chrome the better... Dan

@robsarahs1 2 месяца назад

I vote blue, not cause of the history but I didn’t like the orange. Blue and chrome would look great.

@user-cq4nq8ci9o 2 месяца назад

Paint it like Pegoretti style , as a work art, as a homage to Dario

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Don`t think i could do one of his flamboyant paint jobs justice, Dan

@user-cq4nq8ci9o 2 месяца назад

@@vintagevelos9517 You can do your paint job, will take time but,,,,,, I think is worth it. Anyway, as suits you, Dan , Big hug, !

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

@@user-cq4nq8ci9o Just time and effort - who doesn`t like a big project, Dan

@normawingo5116 2 месяца назад

Back to original.

@Piroschkaburschi 2 месяца назад

Original colour. Otherwise the owner in 2124 will be confused.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Now thats a thought, Dan

@johnmoore6501 2 месяца назад

I'd go for the blue, much nicer.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Yep, coming around to that thinking, Dan

@carlstoffels5476 2 месяца назад

The more original the better save the clone paint job for a non team bike

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Think your are correct, Dan

@taichihead42 2 месяца назад

Can you please tell me where you got the Steven Roche Carrera jersey.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Its a period original - got lucky on ebay, Dan

@Saints66 2 месяца назад

Original…

@StanEby1 2 месяца назад

If you trust your research, return it to exactly what it was.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Yep, blue/chrome is winning out, Dan

@OldDavo1950 2 месяца назад

To as it should be always, no fudging.

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

Yep, agreed, Dan

@davidferris4299 2 месяца назад

Go fade. 👍

@tomhowell9074 2 месяца назад

Just like with classic cars…original.

@brynmatton107 2 месяца назад

Michele Bartoli ?

@brynmatton107 2 месяца назад

Although that frame looks too big for Bartoli ?

@vintagevelos9517 2 месяца назад

@@brynmatton107 Yep, my first thought was "MB" - Michele Bartoli, but way too small - Marco Bellini - same team, rider no.2 `97 Asics CGA and thats his size, Dan