for me, as an Eminem fan, the track was dope af. Em wasn't this confident for a long time, I mean, he was always confident, but he was humble at the same track. and on this track he just basically says "fuck it all" and go full ham
@@RobMarkman I was not just you Rob!! The influence is there, I would not say he's a carbon copy or anything like that, but when it started I was unfamiliar with Babytron and thought it was Sean.
My top 5: 1. André 3000 2. Kendrick Lamar 3. Nas 4. Lupe Fiasco 5. MF DOOM Edit: Appreciate ya bro. Love the straightforward & honest (although sometimes too agreeable) approach to covering these topics.
As a black male , I’ve been listening to Eminem since 2000.. Eminem is definitely in my top 3… he has always kept it hip hop, gave the past greats their flowers all the time, and he’s adhered to the unspoken rules of hip hop the other artists such as drake have broken.. definitely great.. and he’s better than j hova
Em definitely top 5 , but order always gonna be subjective. I appreciate the track, really cool joint! Salute to you Rob from Serbia 🇷🇸 dope video as always!🙌🏼
@@salomaonplanetsaturn to be fair it is an eminem song on a jay z album... The beat was produced by em and his beats tend to lean into and compliment his style .. also this is one of the best em versus of all time... I never looked at it as em smoking jay... Thats a narrative nas put out there... To his credit jay didnt get on here and try and compete with em lyrically... Which in my opinion would of made for not as good of a song... Instead he makes the concept his own and uses ems verse like a prelude or introduction to his story and where hes at... He leans into what the song is about... And its actually a better song for it... The version with royce is not as good because he is also doing some super lyrical shit that ultimately lacks substance... The marriage of jay z vs with em completes the picture... It would of been damn near impossible to top what em did on that beat and an attempt to do so would of made for a less impactful song.... What we get instead is a collaborative process instead of competitive.... Which is incredible considering his verse fits better than royces despite basically just getting the complete song and not actually being in the studio together... Writing and working at the same time... And jays vs is dope... Some times rappers get to caught up in being lyrical and lose the messaging and point of the song
Hey Rob Great video. You've been killing it. For a video idea, I'd love to hear you take on why Hov is your GOAT. Your reasonable doubt anniversay vid got me thinking that you could articulate the reason why many consider Hov the goat.
I had crazy anticipation for Em's conceptual approach only for Big Sean and BabyTron to sound way too alike which was one of my critiques to a friend, only to realize upon the 8-9th listen with Rap Genius lyrics in front of me that BabyTron was verse 1 och Big Sean verse 2? Wtffff 😭
eminems rapping ability sticks out like a light-bright on crack on every track where someone is a feature . he makes the best seem average when you hear HOW he raps whatever sounds cool to you whatever lyrics touch your soul fine thats preference but LISTEN to the words he uses and how his Verses are put together imagine writing at that complex of a level
I thought this joint was dope, like you said I wasn't too familiar with trons catalog but i thought he did his thing. Definitely excited to hear the album. My opinion might be biased lol because em in my top 5
@@RobMarkman no doubt. You give a lot of good insight in your videos bro and the fact you stay engaged in the comments is dope. You got my respect bro and I hope this brings you a lot of new opportunities. 🫡
Coming in early just to answer the question and listen. Eminem is dope as hell, however after the first 2 albums i fell off of Marshall. His content doesn't really speak to me even when i go listen to the new stuff. He a fire lyricist, but i have nowhere to put him on my goat list at all that contain ppl like Hov Nas Mos Lupe and Dot/Cole
If em isnt in your goat list anywhere i dont know if i can respect your opinion at all... He doesnt have to be top 5 but he should be mentioned Your personal opinion is yours alone that cant be argued but if were talking objectively Cole and mos are two of my favorite all time artist but they in my opinion lack the work ethic body of work consistency and impact to make my top five
@@the-lil-x I respect your opinion with my lateness. However the question was"your goat list" so to me that negates you pressuring me to add dude to my list He dope, he ain't a goat for my list but he is a great MC Edit....Cole got more bodies of work then Dot. Mos to me just needs to be mentioned due to lack of being mentioned; however the Yasiin Bey music he been dropping is slick aite
Really hoping Eminem isn't marketing us a Slim Shady style album, and then giving us the exact same motivation rap he's been given us since MMLP2. Music to Be Murdered By was deceptive in it's presentation - it looked like a Relapse style horrorcore album, and then was nothing like that when listening to it. Getting nervous this one might be the same.
I can't tell you how much I agree with this comment man. This album looks likes shaping up to be another directionless rehashing of his recent albums ideas and not a cohesive concept.
@@PrincipalSkinner3190 Yep. I actually didn't mind Houdini. Didn't think it was the best song ever, but it was a fun nostalgia trip that had moments of freshness. However, this track just sounds like the same crap I've heard for ten years. Has me a bit nervous because this sounds nothing like what the concept art/ houdini theme has been telling us. Just compare Tobey to Guilty Conscience or Bad Meets Evil, and it's ass.
Tron used to have a way different style vocally - he sort of found his formula the past 2 years on the more monotone rapid punch in flow w a bunch of themed songs. He's been punching in since he started but if you go back to 2019 and check out Human Torch or Gamebreaker he used to be a lot more emotive and raw when he started up. Prime area where he found his footing is his 2021 run. His verse on Lil Yachty's Hybrid and his song Just In Case are his best showings imo
The monotone beat reminds me of one of my favorite songs of his, Brain Damage, where there's a graphic storyline about being bullied and crazy things start happening because of that, but rapping for rapping sake just doesn't hit for me from him since we've heard this so many times before. Hopefully the full project has more meat.
I feel like people are going to like what they like, and styles speak to different styles of people - but from an objective point of view, it’s undeniable that Eminem has a skill set that Jay z and other artists cannot equal
Em's race has 100% been a factor in his success but at the same time has had a negative effect on his legacy within Hip-Hop in my opinion. He's the only rapper I've seen get slighted for being too "lyrical miracle" and he's by no means my favorite rapper. There's been a dip in quality for sure in terms of the projects the last decade but his pen has always been elite. I wanna go in depth but this is probably not the place for it.
Personal top five Kendrick Wayne 3000 Isaiah Rashad Nas (Honorable mentions Earl, Cole & Hov) Wayne and Kendrick are permanent two for me, they interchangeable depending on the day
You should make a video explaining your criteria for best MC. There are so many angles people argue and it’s varies so much for each individual. Would be interesting to see your standards so we could understand your MC list. Ex. Some people hold peak performances are #1 (Biggie) some people say volume (Wayne) others cultural impact outside of music (pac / Jay z) others might say influence or pop culture. It’s always interesting to understand where people come from because why argue people’s preferences. Just let people like who they like.
This single proves Em is about to drop another directionless album. I used to have him as the GOAT. Currently I'd have him ranked around #5 with potential to drop further.
I like the premise of the song. I have conflicted thoughts about Em as a rapper. Great technician, but musically he doesn't evoke a lot of emotion that i can relate to. So if I were to say for me, Young Jeezy is a better emcee, some would find an issue with it. But music is subjective. Side note: I wish Sean wasn't so affected by the industry, He's really dope!
Eminem prolly somewhere in my top 10. Unfortunately a lot of his career has gone on to be pretty corny ever since 2007, but the Eminem show one of the greatest rap albums, but Yooo Rob congrats on the channel I been tapped in for the past couple months glad to see you doing your thing fr! Was wondering how an indie artist could send you some stuff?
Open season on Melly Mel? lol 🤷🏾♂️ This is actually my first time hearing Tron, I like the hook, Sean never leaves anything on the table. I think he waited til the dust settled to drop this. Em is definitely one of the best lyrically, it’s an acquired taste, pause. But I think certain days u like certain artist. Always changing depending on ur mood.
"Guess I've really no right to complain much hip-hop has been good to me huh? But when they say that I'm only top five 'cause I'm white, why would I be stunned My skin color's still working against me 'cause second I should be to none Being white ain't why they put me at five, it's why they can't put me at one"
Rakim Pac Jay z Scarface Nas Eminem Lil wayne Kendrick Dmx E40 I gotta at least do a top ten its too many people for just 5 artist Cause i still wanna add big pun big L snoop red meth kurupt black thought pharaoh lupe royce krs slick rick mos def busta rhymes twista tech 9 biggie andre 3000 j. Cole kanye and more There is no singular g.o.a.t. in my opinion just a the greatest of all time list that you can get on like the rocking roll hall of fame Wh
I’m with you on that the album is called death of slim shady where’s the storytelling songs the controversy where’s the big single to bring it in I don’t like Houdini and Tobey is ok where’s the concepts because this ain’t it
@@forwardthinkingforum13 it was about the lyrics, not the beat, it has replay value because they all Said certain things that make u think, it's high replay value, and when albums come out I always skip the singles. This has good replay value because of the skilled lyrics.
Some of ems subject matter keeps him off of peoples top 5 I believe… on the contrary his skin color is what makes people undecided about him if he was black he would def be bigger than he is… it would make him more relatable to the culture i think his skin color holds him back its his skill that makes him a conversation and debatable its undeniable that he is nice with his pen people hate that he white but hands down on my top 5 because of his skills
Nas could have justifiably gone in on MC Shan for the disrepect but he did the opposite. Just because you can doesn’t necessarily mean you should. Something to consider.
Eminem is definitely in my Top 3 but I am kind of over him making music to prove that to other people. His creativity is suffering. His music to me is personally better than years past but I’m just not a fan of him mentioning why people don’t like him. Em matters to the people he matters to. But I respect the hunger… it’s just to an unhealthy amount. I’m not a big fan of the Tobey instrumental, but it does give me a lot of hope as to what I should expect from this album next week compared to Houdini.
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The song is Like that....I wanted a stronger beat to kick in at some point but I love the song away...Now if we're just talking lyrics...Em is really top 3 and that's based on "FLAVOR"...Meaning You may like more then just someone's lyrics...It could be, he relates to your culture more or his "DELIVERY(word play)" is more your style... but Lyrically none is better BUT ,Em isn't in my personal top 5 but again based on the things I mentioned in this comment....If he was black and had more content related to our culture, which would be the case if he was black then he would be the best...Facts
@@RobMarkman Haha, it’s like you want me to clown him some more. I would hate to be his audio engineer. It’s like he forgets to breathe, so he has to lay down every bar as a separate recording. And that’s his ‘style’? Yikes. I imagine him reading lyrics off a phone. If that’s the case, perhaps memorizing the lyrics would benefit him so he knows when to sneak in some fresh air through his mouth. Until then, the young lad’s music is nails to a chalkboard to me. Looking forward to your videos, Rob. I appreciate your thoughtful takes.
Tron and sean didn’t sound kinda similar. They sounded exactly the same. To the point that I got to the end of the song and was like, wait were was tron?
Em outperformed Jay on renegade flow /energy wise but Jay's actual verse stands up to Em's verse. As far as Em's position on the Goat list he's probably top 15-20. 3 great albums in a row. 2 of them are classics. But there's a lot mid to trash music that came af3.
Black listen to whatever slaps. Mc serch Paul wall big pun fat Joe race don’t matter em shit weird and few black people listen to it. Even in Detroit Em aint Detroit sound
Dude after 15 Grammy being a millionaire still dropping records at fifty yrs with billion of views you need to grow up a bit get aways from those mumble rappers shit and learn from the goat himself and stop running your mouth about top five crap
I really wish i understood the point you were trying to make, I’d have a better response. But it just felt attacking, because you don’t agree with my top 5 or that there should even be a top 5… you confused me with this one champ lol
It's not a shot at Jay it's a shot at those people that always puts Jay at 1 on these list. There's not a single Year where Jay Z was the hottest rapper
Im kinda sick of the new york trifecta of biggie jayz nas... Its 2024 These are three artist from the same region and time period You gotta pick one... And move on.... For your personal list ok say what you feel but objectively speaking hip hop too varied and wide to reduce it to a specific time and place taking 3 of the top five spots If were going to spread it out I have to say hands down rakim for his era and tupac from his East coast i gotta say its jay for me South scarface west snoop midwest eminem
As a hater, please no more Eminem coverage lol lyrical ability does not equate to great rapping to me. His music gets no spins in my crib car and as a DJ he was almost never requested. Please
Wow, imagine telling a man he shouldn’t cover a rapper many consider one of the best to ever do it. And I’m not talking about Em fans, I’m talking about other MC’s.
Upon first listen I think it’s a decently dope record baby tron was right in pocket on this one Sean did his thing. To be honest Em’s verse was whatever on this one
Eminem KILLED Jay on Renegade. And Jay said it. Stop. You pandering. Eminem also produced that beat and his verse existed before Jay wrote. It's not a debate
@@blackjesus4525 Jay said he was "off his game". Go do the research. He pretty much conceded Em got him. And if you have ears, you know Em got him on those verses
I'm an African from Nigeria and Eminem is my Top 1. I have found that black Americans are the ones who don't really f* with him. His life, music and story makes more sense and resonates more to most people than Jay-Z. But then, he is definitely a top 5 rapper because of his influence on culture. Based on rapping skills and story, he's my 1
