@@Tony-723 it's called murder. Doesn't matter how quick the civilian with no law enforcement duties or responsibility killed him he was killed for nothing with no justification.
Ben is a self proclaimed Jewish man, but not one in practice. His words and actions go against any holy love or human empathy. I’m not a religious person but I am really offended on behalf of my religious friends Jewish or otherwise.
Theres nothing more cringe than a liberal wine mom, saying to just fold when u gettin assaulted on the train. Dont think about your safety but think about wot the maniac is going thru.... Ffs. Gonna ppl hurt talkin like that...
Remember when he went into Home Depot and bought a random piece of wood like he was going to do something with it? Lol Home Depot has all kinds of useful things in it but he is so out of touch that he thinks the common man walks into Home Depot and buys a random piece of wood lol
@@someperson9999 An obviously mentally unwell man screaming on a subway isn't assault. And choking someone out for 10 minutes isn't restraining someone.
@@someperson9999 Nobody intervened. The random psychopath literally killed Neely who was having some kind of episode. He just choked him out. People were uncomfortable with Neely's episode, so this psycho killed him.
Or maybe, a man elbowed you on the train and acted all crazy in your face, and this is not something that should be tolerated and do nothing about, so that it's a problem that just grows and grows. As a lifelong liberal, you people are bizarre. Someone like you, if you were on an airplane, and there was a crazy guy running up and down the aisle, elbowing and pushing people,and flight attendants, you'd be scared out of your wits and breathe a sign of relief when other passengers or a air marshall subdued him. No one intends to kill people in an altercation to subdue, but human beings can be killed very easy in a fight. Even falling to the ground and banging your head can be death, and any struggle with a person could result in death. Even tripping them. The hypocrisy in these forums is astrounding. Progressives who would be frantically dialing 911 at the first sign of trouble, then sit there with an air of moral superiority criticizing anyone who stands up to protect them.
@@alabamaman5994 Alabama is one of the poorest regions in the developed world, it’s so poor it would be considered a developing nation if it weren’t part of the US. You red state idiots depend on blue states and all you do is trash us. Loser.
@@alabamaman5994 I'm sure you're the only person that's never hit anyone. As much as many would prefer you had to put your money where your mouth is just knock it off man. Stop being so hateful toward everyone around you and get a friend or something. Ffs man..
No offense guys, but Americans seem to be the only ones with this view. This idea that if you ever feel unsafe you can escalate a situation to lethal violence and that's totally reasonable because of what MIGHT happen. It's truly insane to me.
As an American myself I personally don't understand why that would need to happen to begin with, and I personally hate this view. I was raised to calm down when things get heated and not make things worse for, not only myself, but others around me as well.
Walk into any country and tell people you are going to kill then in a place where they cannot run away, some one is going to do something about it. This is such a dumbass take
There’s a reason Ben decided not to practice law. He would be a terrible, terrible lawyer who would walk his client into every single trap the opposing lawyer set. He is just completely incapable of thinking of anything from any perspective other than his own. That is also known as being stupid. Really, really stupid.
@@keithhinchcliffe5629 Yeah, so FUNNY Michael Torres calling Ben Shapiro stupid, good one Keith! We ALL know how funny this is because we ALL think RU-vid USER MICHAEL TORRES specifically is like really dumb. Way more dumb than Ben. This is common knowledge that logically produces humor for us all, totally.
Except this is another Majority Report fever dream. Shapiro doesn't know what an Emma is, much less ever respond to her. This is completely made up clout chasing nonsense
@@beautifultrouble-vx4zj This is more embarrassing than the time you admitted you hadn't read the entire constitution in a debate about the constitution.
Only some pampered little shit that's never taken a few hits could say something so insanely disconnected from reality. Shabibo's life has been wrapped in Nerf.
personal attacks make your arguments weak. You should attack what he is saying and not his biological traits which he has no say in. What do you sound like to people around you?
He'd piss his pants from fear if he was walking around at night with me in some of the roughest neighborhoods I've lived in. I used to walk nightly to my closest Kroger store in midtown Atlanta that's known as "Murder K" because of all the killings that have occurred there.
Emma mentioned getting him ‘face down’ and ‘cuffed in the back’--how about responding to someone who is freaking out over not having food and beverage, by giving this yelling guy-something to EAT and DRINK?! Then he’ll probably STOP talking as he eats his FOOD and drinks his BEVERAGE!! 🥺
I'm a marine vet and you're specifically taught that rear naked choke, standing and on the ground. The marines adopted the MCMAP, Marine Corps Martial Arts Program around 2002. it expanded on the basic combat stuff we were trained on in bootcamp. They have a colored belt system to indicate your training level. When applied correctly someone can pass out in seconds and it's quite easy to feel when someone goes limp.
He never went limp though. His arms are still punching the entire time which is why the marine needed help from 2 other men. As soon as he stops resisting the marine props him up so he can breathe
I love Ben pretending he doesn't know who Emma is. The last thing The Daily Wire wants to do is pick a fight with Sam and TMR. Edit: Look at all the triggered lil snowflakes. Stop feeding the trolls guys. Most of these replies are the same guy using multiple accounts. Talking about you Alabama Man.
@@brandonellis8111 Emma doesn't run a disinfo network backed by oil money that has delusions on replacing disney. She is also not a hollywood failure who hates the institution that he tried to break into and failed.
Why does the Majority Report, the Blaze and the Daily Wire all advertise the exact same products. And I don't mean on YT, I mean they all do the exact same as reads. Why is that 🤔
I agreed with Emma Vigeland then and I agree with her now. I once met a homeless woman who appeared threatening as she was cussing loudly and flailing her arms. I had just bought water, so I went to her and said, "It is hot out here. Would you like some water?" She was surprisingly grateful. A cop, on the other hand, would probably have shot her.
I was a support worker. People who have mental breaks in public are who I worked with. They don't deserve to die. They deserve better than I could give.
as someone who was homeless and suffering from extreme depressive episodes I had no choice to deal with extremely publicly, thank you. the work you did probably had a farther reaching effect than you realise and gave people you interacted with at least some sign that there is someone who cares and that can mean the world to you when all you have is a blanket and the clothes you are wearing.
It's funny that Ben used instances like these to stop people like yourself from continuing to help. Conservatives would rather remove as much sympathy from themselves to be the greediest business people to ever exist, than lose some money to help others. Thank you for doing as much as you did. Services may be limited now, but at one point the mentally ill used to be tortured as a way to cure them. Today the accepted goal is rehabilitation before anything else.
15:29 The gap between "allowing yourself to be abused" by homeless people on public transit and straight up murdering the "abuser" puts the grand canyon to shame.
The right in general is really black and white about most issues. It's always the most simple and inhumane solutions for complicated problems. Bans, maximized penalities, prejudices...
Yeah the word "abuse" doesn't really fit the situation in the first place. Abuse is associated with ill intent, misuse, or neglect. Someone having a "mental episode" like in this instance can't really have any of those.
@@reesf743 Thank you. As most academic research keeps concluding. There is a difference between a LIBERAL vs CONSERVATIVE Brain biologically.. A Right wing / Conservative brain is much more stimulated by FEAR and DISGUST. They have this trait called FIGHT or FLIGHT. Get rid of a supposed threat and think about the nuance later. While a LIBERAL BRAIN is much more stimulated by COMPLICITY and NUANCE. Right leaning people are more Black or White / Good or Bad binary thinkers while Liberals look at things in a much more broader, complicated and nuanced manner. Liberals seem to also acknowledge that most issues have a Grey area. This gray area is where Liberals and Conservatives clash. Just listen to Emma’s take on this whole issue as compared to Shapiro. That’s exactly what academic research and finding keep showing when it comes to Liberal vs Conservative brain biology. 😊
@@trappedinamerica7740 you guys might want to sit down for this one.. scientists believe that there may have been other incidents of "aggressive behavior" on the subway. The general consensus "this probably has happened before in other train cars on other days". Let me know if you guys need me to repeat anything more slowly
Imagine seeing someone you don't like and just killing them. I meet aggressive beggars on the streets every day, I'm not going around killing them. What kind of serial killer psychopath thinking does someone need to do this?
Emma didn’t even say you had to tolerate being beat up; she said she even moved away from the man when he was having his episode. What she’s talking about is that being uncomfortable with a mentally ill person on the subway doesn’t give you the right to kill them
Yeah, but Emma is kind of mischaracterizing what their criticism was. We're not talking about simply being made to feel uncomfortable---we're talking about physical violence/the threat of physical violence. And their argument isn't even about having a right to kill someone, it's the right to defend yourself/others from violence. I don't agree or like how this all played out, but this kind of framing makes it look like this guy was looking for a homeless person to kill that day.
@@SmilingDesperado 1) Jordan Neely didn't even touch anyone, 2) You can defend yourself without killing someone - especially if you're a trained marine who is significantly larger and stronger than the "threat".
@@SmilingDesperado Aren't you the one mischracterizing the criticism here. The point isn't about people being uncomfortable or he threatening or him being a threat but the use of excessive force, failure of healthcare system to treat him, people being vigilante given immunity to prosecution and law enforcement system that needs an overhaul with accountability of both system and individuals present in it.
Hopefully Ben's listeners will watch the segment in question for the full context of Emma's remarks and and.. nuance... ha.. ha ha.. ha HA HA... HAHAHAHAHAHA
Obviously nobody thinks the guy should have been killed. It's a question of when and how someone should be subdued. Sometimes someone threatening violence should be physically subdued, and choking someone unconscious is actually a generally safe technique for subduing someone. The risk of killing someone that way is very low if you do it responsibly. Of course, if you're being irresponsible, you can kill someone, and nobody is for that. Every situation is different, but generally if you're posing a physical threat toward other passengers, physically subduing you is a reasonable action. Obviously if someone there is capable of de-escalating that would be ideal, but that's not always going to be in the cards. I'm not a fan of Shapiro, but I don't like Emma's framing either.
@Sean Matthew King the Marine did. A chokehold held after the person goes limp is Always lethal. a Marine knows this. How long was it held here? minutes? Plenty of people are arguing this was justified.
@@seanmatthewkingit so unsafe that we don't let trained police officers use these holds. random assholes on the subway should refrain from living out their UFC fantasies
@@basedgamerguy818 It's so unsafe that parents sign their kids up for bjj classes where they submit each other with chokes. I would only advocate it if you know what you're doing and there is a menace threatening the safety of others. If you're being a jackass and hurting or threatening to hurt people, there is no reason why someone shouldn't choke you unconscious. Only takes a few seconds and then you stop. They wake up fine. You give them goodmorning kiss.
The crazy part is you’re 100% correct, but most middle aged people would laugh with disgust at your comment. They cannot accept that most of them are 2-3 unfortunate events away from also being homeless.
"A guy that's never been punched in the face" Unless he's a secret master ninja (which is really the only kind of master ninja), I don't understand how none of those punches have landed.
That the guy was killed is sadly the worst part. The horrible part is that nobody, absolutely nobody did anything to stop it. I guess the likes are more important. The subway in Los Angeles is basically "train to Busan" everyday.
I'm a Marine vet. He would have had the same training I and all Marines, combat or non-combat, get in MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts Program). We learn to do chokes, and are specifically trained to know the difference between a blood choke (a choke than can be non-lethal if done correctly and for the right amount of time which can make someone pass out) and an air choke (which blocks breathing and can be lethal in a short time). Both can be lethal over an extended period of time. We are told this, we are shown this. We train on each other repeatedly to get the blood choke correct. He KNOWS this information. He was trained in boot camp and we continue this training annually throughout our time in service. The fact he also could have done several non-lethal restraining holds as he approached him from behind are options he would have been trained in. He purposely chose a choke hold. He purposely held it on Neely for 15 minutes and KNOWS it would be lethal for that amount of time. This is not manslaughter, this is murder. And any good prosecutor will use his Marine training to show he knew exactly what he was doing. And while I will always stand by and support my fellow Devil Dogs, when they go bad, when they lose their honor and integrity, they should get the punishment they deserve. Semper Fi.
Fellow USMC Vet, totally agree. RNC is a Tan belt skill, i.e. every single Marine learns how to do it properly. They drill into your head it's 8-13 seconds to choke someone out using a blood choke. If he held it for a minute or two, I can see an argument that he overheld on accident. But if he was locked in for 15 minutes, that's no accident.
I don't think this is an issue of knowing or not knowing. Even when you're trained to do something, that training can go out the window when you're actually in the heat of the moment. The problem with the RNC is that people try to use it as a means to restrain, not choke. There's no way he could call himself competent if he's in that position for 15 minutes. He either didn't know what he was doing in the moment, or he was trying to hold the guy there instead of actually trying to actively choke him unconscious.
Also fellow Marine vet, brother, we weren't there, you and I both know that once SHTF occurs, training only goes so far, instincts carry you the rest of the way. Neither of us were there, and admittedly I've never seen yet any video of it, but I'm going to err on the side of innocent until proven guilty.
@@davidbaker1918 15 minutes. FIFTEEN! He could have clinched him in a full nelson or arm bared him and put him face down with his weight on top to keep him restrained. You know this too if you went through ANY type of grappling training. FIFTEEN minutes in a choke is not SHTF response. The Marine wasn't attacked, HE was the attacker from behind! He CHOSE to engage! 100% guilty. 100% culpable for murder.
The depravity of Ben saying "G-d bless you" condescendingly to Emma for doing what our G-d would want us to do. The fact that Ben's kippah doesn't burn up when it touches his head puzzles me.
WHO is the WE?? Probably the best analysis I've heard on this issue, hands-down. This pretty much summarizes why I look to The Majority Report for unpacking of the news. Thanks guys!
Emma's take on people not wanting to see 'undesirables' is spot on. Maybe try to ensure that people don't end up in that situation in the first place...just a thought Ben. Emma, you're awesome.
But that would mean it's their (Ben and co.) responsibility to help them. It's much easier to simply condemn those who suffer to being inherently bad and it being their moral failure than actually have to help.
@@YamiHoOu To be fair Emma was likely talking about bourgeois liberals here, though conservatives would undoubtedly feel the same way. Where I live, we don't have subways, when the homeless are perceived as an inconvenience the liberal politicians send out the Police to crackdown on tent cities and forcibly remove them from intercity areas, especially when major events are happening like a superbowl.
Nobody's been paying attention that she was well off from the start. She grew up upper upper middle class and enrolled in a prestigious school. Then married a white guy.
Sen Bhapiro using the right-wing bully tactic of intentionally mispronouncing an opponent's name to show dominance? (The implication being that you're not important enough for them to learn your name.) Well color me shocked.
This is such a tell that they never travelled on public transport. A lot of times there are people behaving annoyingly or being a nuissance there. Noone who lives in the city and uses public transport would think of killing them all, it's insane.
I've seen people masturbate, people make comments towards me aggressively, seen people beg and get mad people didn't give them anything, but never crossed my mind to physically attack them if they didn't touch me or anyone else. I would avoid but be aware, that's it.
Why should we have to live like this? Japan doesn’t. Switzerland doesn’t. I’ve lived in a city all my life. That’s why I never use the public transit. Because it’s awful and dangerous.
I was in the Marines for 12 years, we do teach this choke, it's one of the first techniques we're taught in boot camp. We're also taught to never hold this choke for longer than 8 seconds. He understood what could happen if he held that choke for that long and did it anyways, that is textbook second degree murder.
I freakin love the epilepsy example. My son has severe epilepsy and he becomes very agitated prior to a grand mal seizure. As an epileptic he would have no choice but to take public transportation, but now he has to risk some fool killing him because of that? And Emma is a queen,. That is all
@@dl2725 , and bpd, anxiety, depression and a bunch of other untreated mental illnesses. Imagine being sentenced to death by some random white guy for being a mentally ill homeless person.
@@beautifultrouble-vx4zj Hey Aaron, I know you hate actually answering questions, but why are you against a labor leader heading the department of labor? You being such a “leftist” and all?
Yes Sam, its the exact same thing when a man says he will physically assault you if you don't feed him And a 13 yo girl who has a seizure on the train. 1000% the same, send a marine to choke out that kid ASAP! That is the "great debater" who has memes made out of him!? Really!? Never in my life have I seen such a huge leap in logic and false equivalency....its insane.
Correct throughout. Still, had that ex-marine ended his choke hold _when it was no longer necessary_ , this whole incident could have (and would have) been averted.
Meh, you can sit there and let yourself be hit in the face on the subway if you want. A majority of society isn't going to let that happen, which is what Emma is advocating for.
@@comradecordell4856 you can do both. Defend yourself from harm and help others. She literally said in the clip Ben posted that she let herself get assaulted before.
Not even “what it *can* do,” that hold is intended to kill rather than incapacitate Edit: When you’re still holding them long after they’ve ceased resisting, that is. In other words, if it was really about subduing for everyone’s safety no one would have died.
Seriously, I don't know about the different types of holds, but even I know not to choke hold someone well past they go unconscious. But, I would try everything in my power to not resort to violence or suppression and try to reason with someone even if they have an episode.
Nah. Chokeholds aren’t inherently fatal. They’re intended to subdue. Look no further than all of the UFC fights that are stopped due to chokeholds. None of those are fatal. Many fighters are just rendered unconscious if they don’t submit. I hope a Marine is trained to kill with his hands quicker and more effectively than this chokehold. Something obviously went wrong and the chokehold turned fatal; but I have yet to see anything that suggests the former Marine went into the situation with the intent to kill this person. Terribly unfortunate situation.
Welcome to the majority reports world. Where you should be ok with being attacked, and abused on the subway system, and just allow it. BTW its rich to make jabs at ben for being rich when emma went to a 40k a year public school.
She was being an empathetic human towards another human because she UNDERSTANDS that the man needed help... They NEVER said that it's okay to be okay with being attack or abused, it was NEVER stated, and they NEVER said to allow it, HOW are you missing 100% of the message being said using plain words...?! Like, you MUST be actively choosing to ignore 100% of the context of EVERYTHING being discussed!! It's insanity they lengths y'all will go to to play the victim of NOTHING or to 'attempt' to poke holes in others 'arguments' when they're JUST being a normal genuine caring human being for another human... Seriously, wtf dude!
@@Mark-nu3us No, she actually did excuse his violent behavior because the expectation or desire to be safe on the subway is "bourgeois". This woman is a fraud and a hack. She pretends to be some middle-class working girl who got to where she is today purely by her own hard work and determination when she's actually an extremely privileged trust fund baby whose parents got her an internship with Kristen Gillibrand because her parents were big-time donors. She is not being empathetic; she is being SYMPATHETIC, while also being contentious with anyone who is condemning this guy for his degenerate, trash lifestyle and violent, criminal behavior. It's comical how much the left thinks they are saying anything of substance when they repeat ad nauseum, "He needed help." Go look up how much free services the homeless receive, including for mental health treatment and drug addiction. The reason they keep living on the streets and using drugs is because they don't WANT help. They do not want to be burdened with the responsibilities of a normal, productive member of society, and often they are entitled. You see this over and over with these criminals who never say they're sorry, never show any remorse and blame all their problems on everyone but themselves.
@@kommisar. start at 13:10 in this video, and Sam explains that she was invited quite a lot onto Fox News to debate them just because Fox viewers loved to have a woman to hate.
@@MrZaborskii It's comical considering all the female hosts Fox has that people are going to argue they're a sexist company. Maybe Fox just likes to have on people it disagrees with. That's a lot more than I can say about the likes of CNN.
I mean the clip he shared of you was an awesome clip. I hope some of his viewers have enough sense and heart to hear the soundness and compassion of your argument
Matt said it. Neely was asking for food. If the marine wanted to restrain him, if he wanted conflict resolution (as all the passengers wanted), he could have offered him a coke and a sandwich. It could have been that easy. It's disgusting how things played out considering all he wanted was a meal.
My initial guess without knowing the background of that Marine, based off him being 24 and already out of the military, is he probably did a single 4 year enlistment. Which means he was *maybe* a Corporal (E-4), likely still a Lance Corporal (E-3), and probably either a tan or grey belt in MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts Program), which is a relatively low rank both ways. He probably knew enough to be dangerous, but lacked discipline and restraint. The technique he attempted to use *can* be used to subdue a person by rendering them unconscious, but when used incorrectly (as he did) or for too long (as he also did), it's certainly deadly. Applied correctly, it is a blood choke which will render a person unconscious within seconds, at which point you could theoretically restrain them while they regain consciousness. That's obviously not what happened. My guess is that he (and most police that attempt this) knew the basics well enough to try it, but not to a deep enough level to do it without killing the person. That combined with a lack of discipline and restraint is a deadly combination. Add to that the fact that MCMAP, and Marine training in general, is mostly offensive oriented. That leads to skills and a mindset that are very effective in combat, but less so in delicate situations like this. TLDR: he should have known better and stayed out of the situation until an actual threat presented itself. Source: fellow Marine veteran and civilian martial arts instructor with additional experience in federal security and military police.
Emma "hug an abuser" Hey ladies if sum1 punches u in yer face give em sum snacks Hey girls if sum1 kicks you in the stomach, just reach into your purse and tip them... U go go hug that abuser.
@@armondtanz wow a really deep thinker you have fully grasped this situation and reflected it back in sage wisdom leaving the rest of us with a lot to ponder. Thank you sir.
Emma does such an amazing job at conveying her point and doing so in a passionate and compassionate way. You can really tell that everyone on MR really cares about peoples' welfare and advocating for systemic changes that will benefit society as a whole. Benny Shapino on the other hand doesn't care if houseless, poor, mentally ill people are killed for the crime of existing around everyone else.
Did Emma have her face BROKEN by someone who has been arrested 40 times before? No. But she mentioned she got touched and moved away....why did she move away???? By her own HYPOCRISY in her own story, she should turn, hug him, give him a place to stay, build a hospital, and put him in there for help INSTEAD of moving away!!! Because if he pushed her on the track WHAT THEN EMMA??? I guess she would die and bleed him for doing it?? GTFOHWTBS
Did I or Ben make someone homeless?...No, did I or Ben make someone poor..No...and no, neither of us said we wanted to have a person killed for existing...pretty much sure Emma was talking out her ass and provoking class warfare.
Bull, she wouldn't give a rat's ass about this story if the guy was not black. Virtue signalling for a white guy wouldn't make you look WOKE, which is all the left cares about.
There were no proven threats of violence. He was yelling and behaving erratically and making people frightened - all things convulsions can also do. It's no different. If he did no harm, he should not be killed, end of story.
It's fair to assume that he intended to kill him, Sam. Having trained BJJ for years, I can tell you, it takes minutes after someone goes unconscious for a choke to become lethal. The choker has to keep choking throughout that entire time. There's no way he didn't know exactly what he was doing.
You're contradicting Emma's reporting which said one guy was killed in NINE SECONDS by a choke hold. Also, I love all of these armchair quarterbacks saying "but he didn't hit anyone". If a guy was acting crazy violent on public transportation, and could have a concealed knife, for example, are you just going to sit there while he yells in the face of your children, and desperately try the least likely to be lethal disablement mechanism? Everytime one of these emergency stressful situations come up, people are like "well, clearly, from my calm computer chair, we would execute a perfectly non-lethal, safe -- to everyone involved -- intervention." Yeah right, your fight or flight instinct would go off in these scenarios, and you'd be running, hiding, or throwing stuff. Imagine Emma was in a severely threatening situation and threw a phone or purse at an aggressor, and it caused a concussion which killed a person?
@@Aeroneus1 Generally, no. People go unconscious faster with a blood choke, but it still usually takes minutes for there to be death or permanent damage.
Ben understands what she meant, but the knee jerk reaction has got to be to mock empathy at any opportunity. As soon as I heard of this story I immediately knew who would be jumping to defend the guy who killed the other guy.
Ben acting like it's our American Duty to eradicate the poor. Bro they really do forget that anyone can end up on the street. My mom's a literal city worker and she got evicted. Neely could've been anyone else and still wouldn't have deserved death. Even from a religious standpoint Ben is being an absolute monster.
@@davidbaker1918 😂ok champ, whatever you say. (even if that was true, Ben Shapiro is still very clearly a terrible person. Ben Shapiro is still not very bright, especially for someone that went to Harvard! But you're too blinded by your baby snowflake feelings to ever realize that, huh?)
DAILY REMINDER: "I love children. I mean I REALLY LOVE children. That's why I constantly talk about their nether regions." - Literal quote from Alabama Man. Why would you listen to anyone who has ever said this? Just report him and his horde of bots so that we can keep our children safe from reading anything from this individual.
I know that it's often 'a thing' to completley misrepresent another's stance to make yourself look super smart in contrast. But wow, the amount of twisting Shapiro does with Vigeland's quote on the issue was taken to absurd lengths. In no way did Emma ever come close to saying that we need to endure physical abuse for the sake of diversity. More disappointing is that people will watch him and be like, "Wow, she DID say that!"
Excellent discussion TMR, especially Emma Vigeland rejecting the right’s white knight/distressed damsel trope BS and laying these dehumanizing attacks at the feet of NYC restaurant and event promoters lobby groups is spot on. More of Emma’s POV please.
Why is the first thing to control an allegedly "violent" person to use a chokehold? If he was out of control, there were other means to control that person besides a chokehold.
Involuntarily Manslaughter is fair. Some people mean well and just screw it up completely. When you’re untrained For a certain situation you can easily harm or kill someone.
@@Steveosupremeo , the marines are trained to kill and to subdue. How can you accidentally kill someone choking 'em for 15 minutes when you're literally a marine? That's like saying a cop accidentally killed a harmless 13 yo kid while shooting 'em 60 times.
No, she is 100% incorrect. She is saying that we should accept crazy people on subways threatening us because the system is bad. No we should not. It's unfortunate that Jordan Neely died, and that was not the Marines intent, but that does not excuse being violent and threatening people on a train.
@@jaking2 Oh, I'm sure he did. So how does he earn that? By beating the shit out of random people on a train? Killing someone? There are many was to get the 3 hots and a cot.
@@davidbright6790 Ok But he has common sense 🇪🇺🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷☦👋👑🙏🙏🙏🙏👑👑👑👑👑👑 Long live the new king Amen ... As for homeless niga He died for nothing They should ignore and avoid him Amen 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏☦
Which means what exactly? Look at what Democrats consider "reform": soft on crime policies, legal homeless encampments, open air drug markets, free housing, etc. In other words, socialism. They have all gotten their way in NYC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Francisco, Minneapolis, etc. The homeless problem has only gotten worse thanks to their "reform".
Children don't feel safe going to school - The 2A shall not be infringed! Adults don't feel safe on the subway - I'm outraged! This cannot be allowed to stand! Amazing 😂
I got into this argument with regards to people caring guns everywhere. They are more likely to use it in a situation that doesn't require it. "I was uncomfortable with the situation so i fired my gun".
Slick how you offer up the most innocent and innocuous possible behavioral issue, something any child or baby might do. 😂 Maybe could’ve gone with “oh so now we’re killing people for not eating or showering? Who’s the crazy one!?”
@@venom-gt7rc absolutely! This is what I'm talking about. Next time someone says something I don't like, they're fuckin DEAD. My personal comfort is more important than a human life any day of the week. AMERICA
I was on the Chicago L last night. A man got on obviously having an episode. He yelled at people, got a little too close. It was intimidating and made people uncomfortable. All I could think was, please everyone would leave this man alone. I do not want to see anybody get hurt. He settled down and we all went on our way. These people need services not a death sentence.
Until he actually stabs an innocent person, only after he hurts multiple innocent people, then MAYBE he will be taken down. Homeless violent scum criminals suck!
@@spritelass6712 yeah, it’s gotta happen first. Only then, can you restrain a man who says “I don’t care if I go to prison or die, I’m going to murder you all”
@@barexampasser if your perspective is that all homeless people are dangerous criminals who can be murdered in broad daylight then you are a psychopath.
i recently had a mental health crisis on the subway related to unstable housing (3 workers falling through my ceiling), it would have sucked if i were strangled to death for making a scene
The fact that Emma showed empathy and humility to the situation, make me love and be proud of her. It s a beautiful value that every human should have. She is more christian or “Jesus like “ than any extreme zealots from Daily Wire. Emma you are a treasure to this world and media world. We need more people like you!!!!
"No one like being beat up on the subway system." (proceeds to ignore man who was murdered on the subway system) They don't think homeless people count as people.
That's not true I was homeless myself for years..my twitter is completely right wing and no one is saying that ..quit lying. We are saying the system failed him but you leftists as usual always defend the system and blame the people who are trying to help. Sadly an accident happened as they do but it was never their intention to hurt him, only restrain him
If people think it's ok to choke someone to death for yelling and screaming on the subway, is it then ok to choke someone to death when they're throwing a fit and making threats at, say, the airport? Because people freak out at airports just like Neeley all the time. And at fast food restaurants, at hotel check in desks, and at bars and sports stadiums, and every other public and private space every day of the year.
If choking people who yell at airports to death was an okay thing I would have been kneedeep in corpses some days... By the way, the guy who murdered passengers in front of the terminal was subdued by police without putting him in a chokehold. They applied proper restraining techniques without killing him. To think that a chokehold is an appropriate reaction to someone yelling is absurd.
For many years I worked at a Cafe and had a lot of encounters with homeless and substance abusers. I cannot count how many times I've been personally threatened by someone like the Jordan Neely. I've only needed to call the police once. And I have not done more than raised my voice or shaken a broom at someone. I've been scared or angry but that fear is not enough to justify murdering someone. We don't have guns here like in the US but I am a lot more scared of knives. Two of my friends have been stabbed and in a lot of situations you won't even have time to react. And a lot of homeless and drug addicts here have sharp objects so I assumed they were armed in those situations.
Thats your wrong. YOu don't know if that crazy person that threatened you will hurt or kill someones kid or grandma next. You should always inform the police about crazy people that acts out towards strangers. They're dangerous.
Though there seems to be a much bigger focus on vilifying them rather than try to see them as a problem in need of a solution. The biggest impetus for violence is hopelessness so that's where we should focus on. That's not something though that you can do, it's something the government needs to do.
Must be nice to be a (presumably bigger/strong) man in these situations… go figure you think its “fine,” and dont think about how exponentially horrifying, threatening or dangerous it is for women or children… check your MALE PRIVILEGE 🙄
He was a lunatic who was screaming and threatening everyone. He was looming over women screaming at them and saying he was going to hurt them. He also had 44 arrests for some really fucked up crimes. The marine who stepped up and saved the train is a hero. The witnesses statements from the people who were actually there all support him.
@@wishiwassleeping8382 You are on the wrong channel. This is not the right-wing authoritarian fascist channel where you belong. The marine had no idea at the time what this guy's record was. Even 44 arrests does not justify a vigilante murder. Screaming or even threats without any violence or weapons does not justify murder. The witnesses claim that the marine held him in a chokehold for 15 minutes. The cops who murdered George Floyd held him down for 9 minutes and were convicted. Food can do wonders for someone who is freaking out over being hungry. Food is comforting and a distraction to someone going through a mental health crisis. As you age, you will at some point lose control of your senses. I wish for more compassionate treatment of you when you lose control than you wish for other people now. Because unlike you, I am not a monster. Go back to your Qanon BS, you heartless, hateful troll.
Emma is right about Ben targeting her because she’s the woman on the show. He and many of the daily wire talking heads do this regularly. They know it gets more engagement from their viewers to dunk on a woman of the left.
Sam is far too generous to the murderer. Hes right that there'll only be manslaughter charges, but marines are trained to know how fast chokes can be lethal and he kept holding for minutes after many clear signs Neely was unconscious and dying.
They really aren't. They get minimal training and it's not like they are in many positions where they get to use these techniques. Your average marine isn't a hand to hand combat master. Even professional fighters make mistakes in the heat of the moment of a fight. It only takes seconds to choke a guy out, and the marine actually did not have the chokehold on properly.
Brian Alexander is right, marines have some of the lowest entry requirements and do not really have extensive and continous hand to hand combat, these are not martial artists, they are just poor people willing to murder for Uncle Sam. As such, you took stupid people, poorly train them to be lethal, and them release them back into general pop with inadequate mental health programs. Here we have a clearly unstable vet killing a clearly unstable homeless man. It's a shame the marine didn't care about the homeless man and killed him, considering how statistically likely he'd be homeless.
@@SmilingDesperado dude that is common sense,.....my uncle taught me to defend myself at age 7. one of the first things he showed me was a "sleeper" hold. he told me that i should release the hold a soon as the person starts going limp, because they can die from it (that's minimal training). didn't fully understand what he meant until i had to use that hold on someone. it actually takes concious effort to keep the hold applied after someone goes limp(the desire to do harm).
@@JackTheAverage She also said all people from Africa are black. She is so dumb, despite her daddy's wallet sending her to the most privileged school in the country. What a joke she is.
Speaking the truth? This whole video is the crew here trying to mop up after her idiotic statement and doing a poor job of it. Everything said was either misdirecting, straw manning the opponent, or equivocating. She said that expecting to be left alone on a subway is bourgeois, remember? They danced around that the whole time because it was totally dumb and they know it.
My Muay Thai trainer shows that chokeouts can cause brain damage and death within 4 seconds... Also doesn't take much pressure doing it the incorrect way on someones Adam's apple... That was straight up murder.
That’s a common chokehold in jiu-jitsu called a rear-naked choke and there’s no reason to hold it for more than 10 seconds or so once the hold is secure. This guy held on to the choke for several minutes which is absolutely not necessary unless your intent is to kill someone. This marine dude is obviously trained and would know when someone loses consciousness i.e. the body goes limp, yet he kept squeezing. This asshole murdered this guy.
That's not the right charge...this was murder straight up...and id say it's first degree given how relaxed and calmly he choked him out without showing any emotion. It's a fact that a person goes limp several minutes before being in danger of dying from a chokehold. That clown knew exactly what he was doing. He choked him out and kept choking him for several minutes after he went limp. That's murder, not manslaughter. He did with every intention of killing him.
@@warlordofbritannia You don't have to start out your day planning to murder.. first degree murder is simply planned aforethought. He got off his seat with every intention of murdering Neely..and he followed through. That's preplanned murder...but it's extremely hard to prove in court which is why majority are second degree. The really sad and infuriating thing is they likely won't charge him because he's an ex marine. These are the same losers who comes out of the army and then become corrupt cops. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he imwss or is already in the process of becoming a cop, using his military record as a base.
Pretty sure that's not what Shapiro or anyone including me actually sound...but then again, that's why you said "kinda sounds like"....not kinda, or sort of, but if the guy is in my face, acting like the nutjob he was, ya damn right I'm gonna belt him.
Well, it's not as if Neely merely made people "uncomfortable". Neely states he was "ready to die" and "wouldn't mind getting life in prison". Should Penny have used a chokehold? No. Should Penny have held the chokehold for as long as he did? No. But the idea that Neely was merely making other people "uncomfortable" is complete BS. He was very clearly threatening the lives of the passengers on that subway train. Did he have complete control over himself? No, but that's why involuntary commitments are more humane than letting the severely mentally ill roam around aimlessly.
You mean like Jordan (your homeless knight)? Literally assaulted two 60+ year old women and you’re defending his behavior. You reap what you sow. I can only hope you are assaulted by the homeless during your daily commute. Don’t criticize their behavior though, that would make you a bigot.
Emma's points at around the 9:20 mark are spot on - it isn't the fact that people don't care about other people, that much is already known, its more about the fact that a lot of people don't like being reminded that they don't care about other people and would rather force the undesirables underground so that they don't have to think about why they are where they are.
Sam, you seriously going to act like Ben is too elitist to ride public transport when right next to you, you have a woman who went to a grade school that costs more than most people spend on private university??? Emma went to Kent Place School, ~$23,000 for Junior Pre-K!!! Wtf is junior pre-K LMAO?? Now THATS some elitism. (~$50,000 for grades 9-12) Like a million dollars her parents spent on her to graduate high school. FFS
How does this guy even count as a former marine? He's a marine LARPer. He couldn't finish a full term contract under the marines. He's a former marine trainee, yes, and his body should definitely be considered a deadly weapon given his training. But he's almost certainly been discharged from the marines before his term even ended if he's 22 and no longer a marine.
Sadly, he did EXACTLY what he was trained to do -- murder innocent people in vigilante fashion with his bare hands. So I guess under that definition, this guy's more a marine than a 4 term GySgt who still hasn't yet had the chance to kill a person with his bare hands in cold blood.
I can't imagine all of the monsters defending this murderer saying "he deserved it, he hit someone" will change their minds when it turns out he was executed for "throwing a jacket down in anger". Even if he had assaulted someone, using overwhelming, prolonged, unnecessary, and deadly force was absolutely NOT ok. Idk why Matt says that if he had assaulted someone that this "wouldn't be a story" yes it would, maybe not to some people that think any physical actions towards someone else automatically means you're allowed to be killed. He was having a mental breakdown and was incapacitated, but that's not where it stopped. That marine knew a chokehold for that long would result how it did. He murdered that guy.
@@beautifultrouble-vx4zj You don't have very good reading compression. I was saying if he did assault someone, and had already been incapacitated, there was no reason to use prolonged and deadly force. He didn't assault someone apparently, so it's beside the point for this situation, but the sentiment certainly still stands.
@@DrinkWeedSmokeLiquor "the guy executed for no reason wasn't a perfect angel" wow, that's great to know and 100% irrelevant to what happened. This guy was only a "hero" if you love extrajudicial public executions in situations that absolutely don't call for it.
I was once on the 7 train, a few women sitting aboard, and a guy, no shirt or shoes, carrying a trash bag, yelling and throwing his bag around. The women all seemed frightened. He appeared mentally unbalanced. I did what I saw orderlys at a mental hospital my brother was staying in did. I yelled at the top of my lungs "SIT DOWN!". He sat down immediately and was quiet the rest of the ride. Thats all it took
Lots of people have tried that, and for some of them it works, but others get stabbed in the neck and die. Personally I don’t like those odds, but do whatever you want.
Umm its 2023…. The clearly happened at leaast more than a couple years ago…. This would NOT work like that now unless you got really, really lucky. You must not live around a city anymore or else you’d know how absurd that is…. Beyond that, male privilege must be nice! What are us women supposed to do, sir??? Suggest we try this too?!
What you say about cities being squeaky clean playgrounds for the wealthy and privileged to come and see a show is so true. I grew up in a city that was built according to the American plan like this. Commercial skyscraper core surrounded by SFH suburbs. It was okay, but it was BORING. Nothing to do and the rent was high.
Cleveland suburbs, here. Growing up it in the 80's/90'w was always such a 'fake' feeling to go into the city for events, although I'm sure for my parents (who grew up in the city) it felt different.
