Empire at War Remake Mod - Helpful Tips and Strange Mechanics 

Honestly I think I'm addicted to awakening of the rebellion lol

Thrawn's revenge and Fall of the Republic is the most fun i've had in a mod for any game

This game is the best 5$ I've spent on steam, period. No other 5$ purchase gave me this much content and this much fun. A close second would be red dead online standalone, but this is definitely first.

I think EaW sins of a solar empire and The X series of games like X3 Albion prelude have some really awesome modding communities

That's how George intended it

Another argument I don't understand at all - SW literally IS WW2. Combat IS WW2 combat. The AT-DT for example is a Flak 88 on legs. Thats why we embrace this aspect and incorperate many WW2 designs into ground/space. I personally think it fits perfectly

@@Kasderan Yeah idk why people don't realize Star Wars is a mix of WW2 in space, and Napoleonic warfare and WW2 on the ground, with a sprinkling of Vietnam for spice.

I believe the term your looking for is "ACCEPTABLE LOSSES."

Theres already a new update coming to address bombardment usage and bombing runs, this video kinda covers things that have already been publicly announced to change in the remake discord

For me as an imperial, it's called "acceptable losses" lol

Very true. The mod also just released with 4.0 So you talk about whats public and what people are playing. Not whats waiting in the wings. :D

@@CaptainShack yep. It’s just to calm any concerns regarding old things that are already in the works to be fixed. Not meant to be a dig at the video, truly lol

Agreed. Shield generators stop bombardment but not bombing runs, both have friendly fire too. Bah, balanced.

@@kevinnoonan5534 See, I could argue either way. Hate the mechanic as soon as I heard it, but the movies do show than when attacking Starkiller base, Han had to hyperjump into atmosphere, as the planetary shield did stop ships. but as mentioned, we can land dropships which means there is at least some route that ships can get through. Personally I'd have just said greatly nerf the bombardment, and leave t at that. I have no use for a giant flashy orbital strike when I can't even use it until after I win. and even then I can't use it because they made the energy generator such a tank that it's almost pointless to target. So unless the shield gen happens to be in my way, why bother trying to find it when that time is better spent just rushing down the main base and winning the fight?

@@ScientistMan96 fast scouts bombing runs and rapid assault airborne style on some maps at least should be doable still.

I think this would work much better if the shield gen just wasn’t on every damn planet. Maybe have it spawn only on the capital worlds at start, but afterwards you have to build a fairy expensive building to get it on others, along with a nerf for bombardment of some form. Then it leads to different and interesting forms of gameplay.

@@ScientistMan96 Star Wars lore has always been self-contradictory, and it's starting to creep into the Disney canon. Keep this in mind.

Same problem with Thrawn's Revenge. I try to keep my ships not moving on the monthly tick because I don't want to cheese. Though i can see why people would.

I wish there was a way to "load' the fighters into ships. That way you could choose the fighter compliment you want to bring and you actually have to build the fighters so loosing them costs money. Loosing money for fighters I may or may not have even wanted to bring feels bad.

I just go in and edit the Planet XML file to give me more credits per month.

I'm trying to figure out upkeep in GC right now and how to remove/edit the xml associated with garrison costs, but I don't know which file/lines govern this mechanic. Other than that the only issue I have with this mod is the fatal GC error, likely due to too much minor faction AI running into each other at the same time (threeway calculation bug.) I really wish there were comprehensive submods for this game that address this issue, but they seem outdated or too personalized. It's sad to see this beautiful mod buried under developer tunnel vision and instability. Would love to see it fixed and reaching its full potential. If anyone know garrison xmls please let me know! I've already disabled fighter costs, just need the extra oomph.

A dev on the other video said the R

Yeah! In the steam workshop page for the mod it says " we aim to get closer to a Total War style empire management"

I tried turtling as the empire, got my ass handed to me. Now that I pushed south west of the galaxy, I have the executor with 2 bellators on the way.

@@HinokasArabfan1 hmmm thanks for the tips. Just starting an empire AotR game

Lost 500 tie fighters? Darn that's 50 credits I have to spend. - That would be funny.

My favorite thing in vanilla FoC was getting ground invaded and then winning a fraction of a second later because I set up consortium missile turrets right outside the spawn point when i invaded and they stick around throughout subsequent invasions, so the starting units for the enemy died instantly and it didn't reinforce yet so it counted as a loss for them

Yeah, I don't understand why he is so annoyed about it... its no different to sending all you fighters to attack one target. I think its a brilliant mechanic for space combat, I haven't had any issue taking out Droid Swarms, you just need to be prepared and pay attention to what you're fighting and counter with the right fleet. It's the same with ground, you just need to have the right composition.

You would think. But no. Every rebellion play through I dread having to fight the lukerhulk and it’s swarms. I lost my level 2 station with 30 ark fighter squadrons and lots of x wings, a wings, and y wings. Was only able to get it down to 3/4 health. Just now in my game I pulled back those forces and abandoned my base. I just launched an assault with 50 ark squadrons and 15 z wings. I still lost… I had just one system to Destroy. Now I’m currently building 70 ark squadrons and hopping it’s enough

The point of carriers is point advantage. It's more efficient to bring in carriers than to bring in individual fighter squadrons.

The bombardment mechanic and bombing runs have both been increased in radius, and are more powerful against units. However they have in exchange been weakend against buildings so people don't just sit in the back and spam them against buildings to cheese the ground battle. The same goes for the planetary shield as it's meant to stop players from doing that against units aswell after some time has passed. And if they have destroyed the shield then they should be at a point where they should be able to win the battle without bombing runs or orbital bombardments. The ground units have the same speed to make the formations possible. This is the only method which has allowed it to work this well, and if you want speed then use the speed ability most units have. One of the reasons why starfighters have a cost now is so players don't just spam carriers and put them in the back while sending swarms of starfighters in without any cost. Now you have to use them more wisely. Also they never said they are trying to reduce micro, infact I would say it's more the opposite. More attention on the battle and moving your units around to make sure they can be used against what they are effective against.

@@RevanInHeaven Agreed. They only reduced micro in the sense most units will now autofire abilities in a smart and logical way.

I kinda like that offensive ground battles are more involved than "Spam bombing runs to win"

The unit speed makes perfect sense. Your units are organized into regiments, not individual units. A regiment needs to move at the same speed to maintain cohesion and formation. I'm not sure why so many people want this mod to operate like every other mod out there, and find that any thing that's different than EaWX / AoTR is some inherent issue or is "weird". In most mods, the AI / player utilize bombing runs and orbital bombardments to win most ground conflicts (except for maybe the very short ones). Frankly. I'm beyond tired of fighting amazing defensive battles only to lose because the enemy has an infinite supply of bombing runs that my AA guns can never fully stop

I actually like that about his mod. The realistic proportions help in understanding the scale of the ships.

I like the regiments idea, I’m not a fan of the fact you can only bring in like, 2 at the start. More important planets should have a higher base unit count. Also I haven’t played it yet, but I do think they’re condensing things to the point that choices overall are being stripped, like with base building.

@@maxdoom3521 I assume the 2 to 3 limit is so the game runs smoothly by not having too many units. Perhaps a better way to implement regiments would be like it was in Republic at war I believe. Where you have your typical individual units but you can build a regiment unit that takes up more population during battles, like the super star destoryer in space. That way you can support it with whatever the situation calls for, air support, artillery ECT.

Eh I 1000% disagree with that last bit, I really hope they don't remove the sub-factions. having different enemies to fight is largely what makes these mods so interesting to me personally.

@@KaiserMattTygore927 I agree I don’t mind the other factions too much (republic loyalists having access to clones is a bit weird but whatever) however I HATE how they just start with comparatively massive fleets with multiple capital ships where as the empire starts with I think 1 star destroyer, if even that. I don’t mind being on the back foot but that is ridiculous especially since it takes a while to get the economy needed to build capitals that the ai just starts with.

@@KaiserMattTygore927 Maybe they can have different era’s since they’ve made so many amazing models (and it seems even faster than the Thrawns Revenge team, for instance for Old Republic ship models). They could really benefit from some different starts. But maybe they have that. Idk, I haven’t played it yet because a lot of these issues seem annoying in the 4.0 update. Like the lucrehulk swarms that only have one counter 🤷‍♂️

Can't agree more.

The Empire also has a TIE Assault Wing in SSDs and the Torpedo Sphere. The idea is exactly that. Too many squadrons to micro at once and these Assault Wings are filled with nearly all trash fighters like basic Vultures or TIE/Ln Fighters. Of the 176 models in there 140 is Vultures or TIE/Ln.

That actually sounds about right

My issue with the tanks is just that they're far too wide

Remake needs a few more updates before I sit down for a full campaign on the channel. Getting close!

@@CaptainShack I can't wait till you start a proper campaign in this mod, looking forward to it captain!!

The 3.5 files are available on Moddb if you wish to play that version.

Tbh, I do get put off some mods because of the meat grinder ground battles but I cant wait to try out the regiment system they've implemented

"but I wish that the mod was still a space only modification. " Nah

at least have the Option

it can be fatal for a mod sometimes, I didn't read review before playing 4.0 and now I'm beset by terrible economy mechanics (whiteknighted to all hell prolly) and the fatal GC error, which I feel the remake team has failed to properly address through AI mitigation and proper management of minor faction strategies. IK it's an error associated with the vanilla engine and three factions, but I've only had this issue with Remake in years of playing. Lost a whole mid-campaign GC on ~150 planets due to this. When you see the devs being uppity while ure seeking help, it just deflates your confidence in such a mod. Remake is beautiful and deserves better vision so it can reach its true potential. For now I may just try TR again.

Replacements are half the price of buying the squadron from the shipyard I'm pretty sure

Lol don’t tell the devs that on steam. They’ll just gas light you and tell you that you “don’t understand the hardcore gameplay they’re trying to make”. They don’t take criticism very well without just calling you a “casual”

Golans cost a fortune due to how powerful they are. Also once you get a level 1 Golan the upgrades will be less expensive as you are basically building ontop of the Golan 1 station already there. It does take a bit of time to make a fleet to take over surrounding territory, but you should have enough to defend yourself. Minor factions are meant to be a strong in the early game, but once you get closer to the mid game or have built up enough you should be able to handle them. Also the Empire has it the most difficult against minor factions as they have the best start in terms of planet, fleets and economy. Rebels have the least difficult against minor factions. Criminal Underworld has about inbetween. Lastly, as for the economy it is getting a buff in the next update and some structures which aren't giving the correct amount of income should be fixed by then.

This is just wrong. Standardazied speed does NOT make units useless. All hovercraft have a speed boost ability, all TDs have a cloak ability allowing for ambushes. If you really think different speed levels are a good idea then sorry, you don't remember how dreadful it was in vanilla and you have no idea how ground in RE is even designed. Different speed levels will result in utter chaos, destroy any chance of having formations. Your tanks will run into the enemy while your infantry, the MOST vital part to protect your armour is falling behind. I really don't understand how anyone could want this.

@@Kasderan for one, yes, I did play vanilla, but my reasons for not liking how slow the armor was is that I generally only use infantry as distractions or chaff in my playthroughs, letting the enemy break upon the infantry line while fast tanks move behind to destroy their base or cut them off from their LZ. The loss of fast vehicles just makes my more blitz oriented strategy (especially as the rebellion) far less effective and just makes the vehicles easy targets for turbolasers and the entrenched enemy. It also makes the lack of airstrikes or orbital bombardments even worse and transforms every battle into an expensive grinding match which costs me more units than I would want to spend.

Regarding the R>P>S on the fighters, that's pretty much air combat IRL, at least WWII-era. These days missiles are near enough king so most planes are a bit less defined role. A-Wings are interceptors, their job is to get in, scout, kill bombers and mess with formations. X-Wings/TIE Fighters are superiority meaning Aerospace control, still bomber killers, but also escort, attack and clearing interceptor threats. Y-Wings/TIE Bombers are tactical bombers, their job is to kill capital ships and ground targets, maybe support ground forces if there's no close air support type. I'll agree on the fighter kills drain funds though. Yeah, okay maybe take a hit when we're resupplying (not that the game engine lets you load up specific wings for carriers) but especially with the 'loose' fighters, if you've paid 500+ for them already, losing another 250+ for losing them is just throwing good money after bad and will result in players leaving the mod or stopping using the unit. I'll also agree on the massive mixed wing for a single faction requiring a specific hard counter from a single unit being bad. I mean hey, if the CIS can mix up some 12-15 squadrons of snubs and throw them at things at once, why can't anyone else? Plus if it's a known thing, why aren't there more true flack, VT or HE/shrapnel weapons around? Star Wars, if you're pulling full lore including games and EU, has anti-fighter missiles (concussion in X-W/TF games), anti-light/anti-medium ship torps (protons), heavy rockets from X-W/TIE Fighter for anti-heavy and bombs for anti-structure. Surely blast weapons could be developed and issued out.

And I think that's what some people don't like. They want units that can do everything, orbital strikes and bombing runs that can just wipe the enemy off the map, etc. To put it simply, they want this to be like most other mods that already exist, for some reason.

@@jeffjensen8 This exactly. People complain about unbalanced units, difficulty and what not, but fail to deplay basic tactics or even try to use the tools provided accordingly. They want a cheap power fantasy like 3.5. It is really sad that a lot seem to be unwiling to put some actual thought in their gameplay

@@Kasderan Hopefully we can show them that different can be great as long as they give it an honest try! I'm actually really excited for this / to see more variety in the EaW mod scene!

The battlefront 2 campaign (EA) made the orbital bombardment and extreme case. Operation cinder was literally only put into place if the emperor was killed. I'd call that a very extreme measure.

@@CaptainShack I suppose that is a fair point considering it was following the emperors demise

@@CaptainShack If you've heard about the Tarkin Doctrine, the cessation of all life on a planet through strategic orbital bombardment over one or two rebel cells isn't even close to extreme when it comes to the Empire.

Nah, the Dark Sun faction get so many credits that you never get frustrated with the game. 100% chill mode. Om the other hand it's a bit annoying as the Rebels. Finally, it's bash your head into the screen and shouting until your lungs stressful with the Empire. XD

So far playing as the rebellion i have not once gone broke due to fighters even when using a fighter heavy fleet,hell i had to face a CSA fleet of like 14 cr 90 and lost like only 3 x wing(tips:u wing is a must to keep your fighers alive, using payed fighters is better then making a carriar in a lot of instances,most fighters cost around only 200 and it only takes about 6 seconds for a figher squadron to be made, make sure to read what a fighter is good at and use them accordingly eg arcs are excellent at killing gunships and corvetts,and last but not least make sure to use hero bonuses The rebel fighters already have 20 percent buff but using luke and rogue squadron it can become 45 and then there is dordana's buff for A wings and republic era fighters make the arc 170 perform on per with modern fighters)

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it takes time but it seems like he does end up coming back, something about him appearing twice and thn both portraits disappearing after death seems to be the issue (but yeah whenever it happened he did seem to come back, you just dont see the timer/blue progress circle)

Then you are doing the right thing. Sending the fighters and bombers in first when you know the enemy has anti-fighter ships is something to avoid. Always a advantage to get the enemy starfighters to engage your starfighters within range of your own fleet.

@@RevanInHeaven that's very anti-Rebellion, though... Rebellion's whole fleet mechanic is fighters first, sometimes ONLY fighters fighters and more fighters...

1. I'm playing the Rebellion. Whos strength is fighters. Not babysitting the fleet. 2. Early game has been constant fighting against invasions every 5 minutes or so. Meaning those fighters need to be on the front. 3. Not every campaign is the same. You could be only engaging different enemies, playing a different faction or your A.I has decided to attack the other factions and not you as constantly. That or your just not a main target yet. Holding fighters back isn't always the best case. Particularly when they will make or break a battle for you. 4. Fleet makeup can effect this greatly. My battles against the Empire honestly have been far easier than the criminal organizations.

@@outerexodus So after chatting with some of the devs in Shack's stream, I think its important to recognize that while they still have a heavy fighter focus as the rebels, they're doing it somewhat differently. For Remake, Rebel fighters are stronger then other factions fighters (even when its cross faction, like a Rebel V-Wing squadron will always out-tank and out-damage an Imperial V-Wing Squadron), and many rebel fighters have self healing etc.... So the strategy of rebel fighter spam does not work in this mod like it does in others. You have to micro them still, and heavily, but if you do you'll be rewarded because in a straight fighter vs fighter faceoff, rebels will generally come out on top with fewer losses. And carriers function less as "bring ALL the fighters" as much as essentially a quick deployment unit so you don't have to drag 4-5 squadrons in one at a time (with an armored ship backing them up).

@@darkflame9410 none of which is new info for me, but thanks. As I've said in other comments, balancing and improving can always happen, and dev plans don't always match up with every player, which is perfectly fine, but both devs and players should never stop offering constructive criticism and ideas, even if they differ. 👍👍👍

Indeed. some things just can't be fixed or changed due to how outdated the engine is.

There's an option in the game to "click on both mouse buttons to rotate" or something alike. Search for it. After that , as it says , click on both buttons on the mouse and rotate away. Though sometimes camera can get stuck on rotation mode , a few left clicks fixes it.