Empress Carlota of Mexico & The Habsburg Mexican Empire 

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So sorry to ask but might you know the name of the painting at 0:42 mark?

Same

I agree. Even with the liberal ideas that Maximilian had, and his interest for Mexican people and indigenous, he was an invader backed by the French empire Didn’t deserve to get killed though

Tbf, at least Maximillian had the awareness and empathy to ask that a stipulation be that the people actually vote him in to show that they wanted him there; not just show up and demand they fall in line. It's not his fault that the vote was staged.

although i agree, as a mexican, i think it was a tragedy for her and her husband specifically, not the empire as such, since that was made by the conservatives and awful napoleon III, and carlota and maximiliano didnt even have the same ideals as them, they were quite liberal

i think “tragedy” in this instance refers to the death of the people involved at the end of the story, as in a greek tragedy or shakespearean tragedy, rather than it being considered a bad outcome that mexico isn’t habsburg controlled

omg this tho… i hate ai 😭😭

Please don't use AI lindsay

Or an awful AI voice!

exactlyyy some of them be oversexualizing them too much

i agree ! i love hearing her voice narrating it, and why ai will never replace us there’s such a humanizing aspect to hear hers

Yeah, he was open minded enough that he seemed ideal, but of course they executed him all the same

⁠@@ladylunaginaofgames40I know it sounds very unfair. But there’s still so much context about the political situation of Mexico at the time. Social disparity was wild, and Mexicans were basically treated as slaves. Of course the good intentions that he had regarding the Mexican empire practically flew under the radar. They represented the “European oppressors” that they got rid of during the independence a few years before. I can’t help but wonder though, how different my country would have been as an empire. 😂

@@blackbirdmd9189 I often do as well, but sadly we cannot exactly find out.

The execution was probably politically necessary, but the mutalation of the corpse unforgivable. Particularly as both Maximillian & Juarez were Fremasons.

Our ancestors didn't want these people ruling them, and now there is a democracy in Mexico. However Carlota Loca is an excellent Halloween costume and what would the US do without Cinco de Mayo?

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Exactly!

Funny enough, I kinda feel that way about tech giants. A modern form of colonization of various industries. Are their empires and riches not as vast?

How it was colonization? The idea wasn't Napoleon III idea it was a Idea of Mexican Conservatives who conviced his wife who then conviced her husband, before this attempte they had tried to Crown Agustin son Emperor. Heck they even tried to get a relative of the British Royal Family to get on the Throne, because Conservatives during this time in Mexico history were anti United State and to counter the power of the USA they searched for another power who could. France was also not planning to stay long term. We know this because of documents from the French goverment. They wanted to put all of Mexico under the Mexican Empire control, have Mexico pay it's debt and get out, they didn't even wanted to get preferential conditions for trade or contro of the industries.

And in reality, everyone misses the fact that they were not really “imposed” by foreigners. The plan for a reinstatement of monarchy in Mexico was a Mexican plan, brought to the attention of the French empress by Mexicans in France. (Empress Eugènie, by the way, was a descendant of Moctezuma II). These plans had been discussed since Mexican independence, as Mexico was used to being under monarchical rule and wasn’t very good at republican rule. The plan was **helped** by “foreigners”, and the Mexican Imperial Army was aided by the French one. Also, Maximilian was chosen for the very fact that his ancestors once ruled Mexico at its inception. His ancestor Charles V / Carlos I granted Mexico City its arms that it still bears in the 16th century!

@@DuquedecastroWOW fascinating! Those things are truly unheard of 🤯

No

Thank you for that. People who are ignorant and don’t know the full story pass judgment very quickly. It’s a shame that the empire’s legacy continuously faces insult to injury. My Mexican grandparents had small portraits of their majesties in their house, they are regarded highly by many.

Oh that’s … interesting

Non-Mexicans reading this, please do not think these pro-monarchy comments are representative of the population as a whole. This sentiment is very new and comes from this recent phenomenon of right wing, anti-Juarez revisionist history where "we would be so much better if these foreign monarchs stayed and we never became a secular, democratic country".

@@Duquedecastro He could've been the nicest sweetest most Mexico loving man to ever live. He was still an emperor. By your username and profile picture it's clear people aren't ignorant--you're just biased in favor of monarchs.

I would take Maximilian and Carlota over most presidents

​@@mouthwaterinSame.

And in reality, everyone misses the fact that they were not really “imposed” by foreigners. The plan for a reinstatement of monarchy in Mexico was a Mexican plan, brought to the attention of the French empress by Mexicans in France. (Empress Eugènie, by the way, was a descendant of Moctezuma II). The plan was **helped** by “foreigners”, and the Mexican Imperial Army was aided by the French one. Also, Maximilian was chosen for the very fact that his ancestors once ruled Mexico at its inception. His ancestor Charles V / Carlos I granted Mexico City its arms that it still bears in the 16th century!

The comments on here are sick

@@moomoopo That’s because you have no clue about real Mexican history, you only know the version according to Juarez and his owners.

Yeah, can you imagine how Leopold and Victoria must've felt when they hunch about Maximilian not being a good husband for Charlotte was right.

& Stephanie's sister Louise who was locked away for years, though unlike her aunt, she didn't have mental illness, just an awful husband that wouldn't divorce her

Fun fact, Rudolf was also Maximiliams nephew. So Charlotte's niece and Maximilian's nephew wes eachother:)

@@cheyenneysewijn7343 the royal family tree is more like a web

Thanks for the recommendation. I’ve been meaning to read something by Carlos Fuentes

@@SBSF04 You’re welcome!

As does C.M. Mayo, The Last Prince of the Mexican Empire. Unfortunately both of the books we mentioned have republican slants

Yo tenía una opinión muy favorable de Maximiliano hasta que comencé a estudiar el periodo a profundidad. Hoy pienso que él, como Emperador, estaba condenado al fracaso, y que hubiese sido mejor que él se lo pasara viajando y cazando mariposas y que Carlota fuera la gobernante de facto.

"60 Years of Solitude" is interesting. By Gustavo Vazquez-Lozano.

SO TRUE !!!!!!!!

Could do who for hours? 😂😂😂

THe QueEn!

"60 Years in Solitude" is pretty powerful. By Gustavo Vazquez-Lozano.

@@adriannespring8598 I haven’t read that one. I’ll look it up. Thanks ☺️

My favourite book in the world. Although it is a historic novel, hence Fernando del Paso (the author) takes some narrative liberties to make the narration more enthralling, it is without a doubt a masterpiece.

Yes but take into account that is a novel thus no entirely historically accurate

That’s fiction lol

Either that or something like bipolar

Or yah know… the trauma of having to flee across an ocean, begging for help and being rejected at every turn and then learning of the violent death of her spouse. That… may have had a negative impact on her mental state

That's extremely unlikely, it takes decades for syphilis to evolve into neurosyphilis. Sometimes more than 20 years. Syphilis is a slow developing disease.

​@@blahblahblahblah729Stress lowers the immune system, and Maximilian could have been ill long before their voyage to Brasil

That thing about the midwife with the mushrooms was interesting, if it could actually cause that much destruction over time. I’ll have to look that up.

Yes! The Mexican empress was daughter, granddaughter, sister, sister in-law, cousin and wife of reigning or deposed sovereigns throughout Europe (and Mexico)! Very well connected.

The world really is very small (at least in countries with shared history), and as a Mexican, I can trace my lines to some of Carlota’s ancestors. And it’s very interesting to me that even Empress Eugènie of France (Carlota’s contemporary also) is my cousin through two different lines; one is through the Aztec emperor Moctezuma II whom we are both descendants of!

@@Duquedecastro Woahhh! That's so cool! You have an awesome heritage and are very fortunate to know a part of your ancestors :D

@@fizzy_buzz Thank you! Yes my grandparents were sure to pass on their heritage to us all. It’s fun to discover even more than they knew! And was even funner to share it with them, my grandmother just passed in the last couple months at almost 101

Exactly my sentiment! I’m in my 30’s and my grandmother was about 5 years old when the Mexican empress passed away. She always tells me little tidbits about our family during the era that she heard growing up and is 101 years old!

yes! carlota was is such an interesting and multifaceted character

I think Charlotte has a more graceful beauty.

and then she married a Hapsburg

And he was. His ancestors were connected to Mexico since the 16th century

The sub 5 Mexican -Americans they’re feel more American

@@leonardopadilla7631 What does that mean?

He was never given the Pension, they acepted giving it on paper, but never gave it. They also didn't said they were going to kill him until he was already in Europe. He went out of Mexico due to his own initiave, because he saw the Instability that was being cause by two political camps that saw him has a obstacle for their respectives political projects. The bourbonist who wanted to go back to how it was before independece and the Republicans who wanted to created a Republic and the 2 saw him has a obstacle. So he though if i go the problem end. The rebels had even given their word to gain more support that they weren't going to harm him. It was he who decided to call the congress again abdicate even though he still could have resisted military, he had signed a treaty with the Comanche Nation in 1822 and they had send him a letter in which they were willing to send soldiers to help him suppress the rebels. And the Empire still had armies in which he could depend, but seeing how he achived independece with little blooshed he was unwilling to cause blooshed now. He always took pride in how little blooshed he spilled to get the Mexican independece. He was also stalked by Mexican spies until he moved to the UK. When he got the UK he started reciving letters from Mexican telling him of all the turmoil and inciting him to go back, before going back he had a reunion with Jose de San Martin who tried to dissuade him againts going back. Before going back Agustin send a Letter to the Congress anouncing that he was coming back. He wasn't aware that there was a law that ordered him to be killed if he went back. The law was also not ment to be applied, it was a law that congress created to dissuade him from coming back. He was that popular that Congress feared his popularity. Heck the Congress of the State where he was detained when he came back prohibited him from talking to a judge or to talk to the local congress to evitate the word to be spread that he was arrested, instead they held a secret reunion where they ordered his execution, before the population got the wind that he was there. They feared a popular uprising.

Exactly. What a beautiful shot at prosperity and stability Mexico had with them. Unfortunately, once again, being so close the USA, no neighbor can “shine brighter” if you know what I mean.

Never thought about it like that, it’s true!

That’s all propaganda

Most european countries labeled as "welfare states" are either constitutional or parliamentary monarchies.

The ironic thing that no one seems to realize is that once upon a time in history, many Mexican’s own ancestors were “foreign” to Mexico. Many of our ancestors came from the same place: Europe. In actuality, our Mexican ancestors were Novohispanos (New Spain) and Spaniards (Old Spain) who were subjects of the exact same Habsburg dynasty!! That is why they chose Maximilian as Mexican emperor in the first place! His own ancestor Carlos I granted Mexico City its shield of arms in the 16th century - which it still uses today!

It probably would have ended up like every other Francophone African country - stolen resources still tied to the French GDP up until today - unless of course Maximilian gained enough popularity to sever ties with the French and truly, genuinely served the people of Mexico

At this poing México was still a infant nation. Literally every citizen had already both european and native ancestry. I think that, at the end, Max and Carlota's dynasty would have been mexicanized quickly, in one or two generations, no longer seen as foreigners but actual mexicans. The revolution was caused mostly by Porfirio Díaz 30 years of absolute presidency.

@@DuquedecastroBut by the 1860s Mexico was 40 years independent. Doesn’t matter if Mexicans have Spanish or other European ancestry. Maximilian and Charlotte were still foreigners and AFAIK, the plan was only supported by some elite. Look at the Philippines (another former Spanish colony). Many Filipinos have Chinese, Spanish or other non-native ancestry. That doesn’t mean they want to become a puppet state of China, no more than many Mexicans at the time not wanting to be a proposed French puppet state ruled by an Austrian archduke.

@@alexisschiffer4830 First of all, Filipinos do not have Spanish ancestry, only 1 to 3% do. Not sure even why bring them up. Mexico wasn’t in any way similar to the situation in the Philippines. Mexico is a country with 80-90% of its people descending from Europe in one way or another and in any amount. Second, 40 years independent is nothing. Third, the Mexicans ***themselves*** came up with the plan for the First Mexican Empire **and** the Second Mexican Empire. Monarchy was all that Mexico had ever known, until 1823 after the demise of the Spanish and First Mexican Empires. Fourthly, Maximilian was a descendant of the kings that ruled Mexico since the 16th century, and that granted Mexico City it’s coat of arms that it still bears to this day - that’s not foreign no matter how you splice it, 40 years or not.

She had a sad life

More interesting facts: The Mexican conservatives and monarchists **invited** Maximilian to become the Emperor of Mexico. He was elected by the Assembly of Notables in Mexico City. The empire’s regents included the son of Jose Maria Morelos - and literally one of the nationally celebrated “niños heroes” of Chapultepec was his right hand general - Miramón who died **with** him and Tomás Mejia - and Indigenous general under Maximilian! No one seems to bother reading real history!!

Right?! Who cares about the responsibilities gf Get that crown 👑 😭👏

I was thinking the same! Lol

Querétaro was chosen because it was a very conservative bastion, not sure how your schools turned around on his legacy so completely.

He also created the black “traje de mariachi”, or suit that mariachis still wear to this day!

Yes.😢 Carlotta went mad, and dowager empress Dagmar lost her first husband to tuberculosis, I believe, then lost her children and grandchildren to a VERY bloody revolution.😢

Same!

Exactly! Somehow Americans just don’t understand that concept. They also don’t understand that New Spain was in fact just as rich if not **richer** than old Spain. Why would they build cathedrals and palaces in a “worker colony”. Everything was made worse by the Black legend.

This is true. In my opinion, the 12% Indigenous of Mexico would also have faired much better. It is true, as the creator of the video said, that the Mexican empire was tragically short. But people who can’t handle the truth cried and complained, so she changed it.