From Yorkist Princess To Tudor Queen | Elizabeth Of York | The Wars of the Roses

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Henry VII may have ended the Wars of the Roses by taking the crown from Richard III on the battlefield at Bosworth, but he could never have held together the fragile peace England found in its wake without one woman - his wife and queen, Elizabeth of York. Elizabeth was a princess born to a new dynasty, destined to endure great tragedy and great joy, and to be the mother of yet another new dynasty, the Tudors. This video looks at Elizabeth's life and the obstacles she overcame to take her rightful place in England's history...
**Apologies for my error about Elizabeth Woodville's son - it was her younger son, Richard Grey, who was executed by Richard III, not her elder son Thomas Grey, as I've incorrectly stated. I am human and do sometimes make an error while recording!**
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@lauramason5667 29 дней назад

It’s a tragedy that none of the subsequent tutors were able to replicate this beautiful love story. I’m certain that when Jane Seymour died after childbirth, that was a grim reminder to Henry the eighth about losing his mother. It’s probably why she was his favorite wife, in addition to the fact that she gave him a son.

@OfficeSpace2909 6 месяцев назад

In my humble estimation, Queen Elizabeth of York, the wife of the first Tudor monarch, had a very successful marriage that seemed to have eluded a good chunk of her immediate descendants. Most notably, of course, Henry VIII and his persistent desire to replicate what both his parents had in their marriage without taking into account that his mother and father had a relationship that was cemented by mutual respect and love. Great video documentary and narration as always. You never fail to draw your audience with this riveting tale of a famous Queen consort like Elizabeth of York! Well done! P.S.- Her tragic end by childbirth illness was very sad and demonstrates the fragility of life that so many people had to endure at the time. It must have been very heartbreaking for their surviving loved ones. :(

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

Thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊 And you right, Elizabeth had such a tragic end. I wondered, when making the video, if she might have decided to stop having children if Prince Arthur hadn't died. I think his death, and his father's grief were a big push behind why they went for another child. And also the irony from Henry VIII in later years, in his pursuit of a male heir, when it was that pursuit that possibly contributed to his mother's death. 🤔

@redemptivepete 6 месяцев назад

Henry viii referred to hearing of his mother's death as "That hateful intelligence!" I wonder what impact her death had on a boy of eleven? Had she lived a little longer she could only have been a positive influence on him.

@jennifersantos7307 2 месяца назад

He didn’t try to replicate his parents marriage he wanted a son the Tudor dynasty was new his father started that dynasty him & his brother were the only two sons his brother died as a teen from the sweat with no children so after his father died all that was left of the Tudor dynasty was Henry 8th he needed a male heir to continue that dynasty daughters would have been normally married off for political gain he wouldn’t of saw daughters as continuing the Tudor line because they would have taken on their husbands names husbands children he needed a male normal mindset for that time especially in England

@user-uj1ix8zl6j Месяц назад

If I may go a bit off topic…the reason people who are interested in early history is because they sense the stories the actors (not stage but real people) have interesting stories. Just learning names and dates is cheating the audience. I fell in love with British history at age 11-12 when my father put his copy of Forever Amber on the top shelf of the book case and “warned” me to not read it. Of course, I raced to retrieve it the first chance I got! I was too ignorant of the love story to understand what my father was talking about, but the love Charles and Amber shared provided a lifelong memory. I have now read the book four times at various points in my life and the novel is among the tamest of my collection. The last reading, during Covid lockdown was a turning point; I was able to put it in the box to go to the Library afterwards. 👏

@sandrastevens4418 Месяц назад

Sad point about Henry VIII. His mother died from childbed fever. Later, the only Queen who finally gave him a son died from childbed fever.

@fionacallaghan1410 Месяц назад

Sadder for the poor mothers.

@hyperactivehyperbole 6 месяцев назад

SO HAPPY you made a video on Elizabeth of York. I can listen about her 100 times from 100 different people but until you go over a persons history, it’s not done right. Loved it!

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

Aww, thank you so much! I'm pleased you enjoyed it, and I definitely wanted to make sure she had a proper video all to herself. 😊

@leeannproctor2966 5 месяцев назад

Is it true elizabeth was bullied by her mother in law?

@lefantomer 5 месяцев назад

@@leeannproctor2966 Wasn't everyone within reach bullied by Elizabeth's mother-in-law? I mean look at who that was. Mind you, there is now some tentative research indicating that Elizabeth was not without resources when it came to reading the riot act to Henry concerning her own relatives, but I sure don't envy her Henry's mommy dearest. Or Henry, for that matter.

@altinaykor364 Месяц назад

@@lefantomer you write most petty words for your own agenda

@DarthDread-oh2ne 6 месяцев назад

The joke on Richard, the current British monarchy are descendants from Edward, not Richard.

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

It's true! After all his manoeuvring, Richard still didn't establish his own dynasty. There's a lesson in that, I think!

@Courtneybenson907 6 месяцев назад

And also from their brother, George as well, I don’t know how exactly, maybe through Princess Diana.

@Jaymagpie2002 6 месяцев назад

Richard iii was the true king 🤴 long live king richard iii of his name

@DarthDread-oh2ne 6 месяцев назад

@@Jaymagpie2002 Long live Edward V.

@lilibetp 6 месяцев назад

If it's ever proven that Cecily cheated and Edward IV was illegitimate, the joke will have been on all of us for hundreds of years.

@jamellfoster6029 6 месяцев назад

Queen Elizabeth I bore a striking resemblance to her namesake grandmother, Elizabeth of York. Indeed all of Elizabeth of York's children looked like her.

@savinghistory642 2 месяца назад

there were no tudor heirs. all of henry viii children died childless and the tudor line died with them. james i the son of mary queen of scots became james i of england and james vi of scotland. they were stuarts.

@LadyCat183 Месяц назад

Yes indeed. Elizabeth of York had outstandingly attractive children. Her parents good looks were passed down through her

@LadyCat183 Месяц назад

@@savinghistory642Margaret Tudor, wife of James of Scotland, sister of Henry VIII certainly passed some good looks down to the Stuart line.

@jamellfoster6029 Месяц назад

@@LadyCat183 True. Mary Queen of Scots resembled her grandmother Margaret Tudor & her Dad James V.

@crocodiledundee8685 6 месяцев назад

Nice work as always. In relation to your Sea Queens series, I’d like to recommend to you Laskarina Bouboulina, who was a Greek pirate with her own fleet who helped her country win their independence from the Ottoman Empire and became Greece’s first female admiral and is often referred to as the Greek Joan of Arc.

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

Thank you, I'll add her to the list! You always have fantastic suggestions. 😊

@crocodiledundee8685 6 месяцев назад

@@HistorysForgottenPeople thanks.

@leeannproctor2966 5 месяцев назад

Speaking of the ottoman are you planning on doing any of the empresses?

@mwilliams369 6 месяцев назад

Wonderful rendition on Elizabeth of York, a remarkable figure in history, one of my favourites Queens of England. Love your insightful content always throughly well documented and presented. Thank you so much 💖

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 😊 She seems to have been a favourite with a lot of people in her time, right up to today.

@leeannproctor2966 5 месяцев назад

Does any of the queen's personal papers survived to our time?

@savinghistory642 2 месяца назад

change the picture of the child of elizabeth you say is mary. it is catherine of aragon.

@lfgifu296 6 месяцев назад

One of my favourite English Queens! Seems to have been truly kind, calm, perhaps more pleasant than her mother (Idk Elizabeth Woodville strikes me as quite spikey, though surely capable). A devoted wife, mother, and pious and generous Queen - while educated, intelligent, and cult - :)

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

No, I agree! I do quite like Elizabeth Woodville as well, mostly because I like how she knew how to fight back, and she was capable of proving her critics wrong by being a good consort. But I know what you mean about Elizabeth of York being softer around the edges - no less 'fighty', but she did it in different ways to her mother. 😊

@DarthDread-oh2ne 6 месяцев назад

Traits her great granddaughter would inherited.

@lfgifu296 6 месяцев назад

@@HistorysForgottenPeople Éxactly! Both capable, though they showed it differently, and Elizabeth's way was just more to my liking :)

@user-nr9gz5je7y 3 месяца назад

Elizabeth of York is one of my favorite princesses and a queen of England. Why? She was someone from a fairy tale - Beautiful and kind and sweet, a devoted wife and mother and wonderful queen 40:21 40:22

@Contessa6363 3 месяца назад

Those women have my full sympathy going through all those child births. I only went through it once and this was only 33 years ago. I couldn't begin to imagine the pain and suffering they endured with the medical practices of the day. 😮😮😮

@HistorysForgottenPeople 3 месяца назад

Absolutely! Plus all the poor women who died in childbirth or not long after. It really makes you think about all the women throughout history who struggled or died to get their child here, culminating in us. ❤️

@alanaadams7440 Месяц назад

They died of sepsis

@ronhuhn7562 19 дней назад

well done thank you...the scene with henry8 picture and Catherine of Aragon picture as his sister Mary together was great...ron

@cplmpcocptcl6306 6 месяцев назад

Great upload. The sound is perfect! I hate when creators have the background sound as loud or louder than the narrator. Wish I could give more than 1 thumbs up.😊👍🏻

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the video - and the sound! 😊 It can be tricky getting it right sometimes, but I think I'm getting there with it.

@RobertEnsley-mt3ys 6 месяцев назад

I absolutely love this narrator’s voice!

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

Awww, thank you so much! You just made my day. 😊

@RobertEnsley-mt3ys 6 месяцев назад

@@HistorysForgottenPeople you could read me bedtime stories every night! You have a beautiful voice. :)

@terrihill6273 Месяц назад

@@RobertEnsley-mt3ys, I could fall asleep to it every night as well. Beautiful calming voice ❤

@funtimefoxy6136 6 месяцев назад

I wonder if Elizabeth hadn’t died so early. Perhaps she would’ve been a good influence on Henry VIII. I’ve always heard he was very attached to her when he was a child, and her death affected him. It's believed that Henry not only wanted a male heir, but he always looked for a woman who acted like or was similar to his mother. I do think if Elizabeth had become Queen Dowager, he wouldn't have done all the things he did without her approval. Perhaps without proper maternal guidance, Henry didn't have a good outlook on women, so that he would look down upon them. But I wonder what Elizabeth would think of his choice of marrying Anne Boleyn?

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

I agree that if Elizabeth had lived to see Henry become king, I doubt he would have made many of the decisions he did! Having said that, perhaps he still would, despite her disapproval. I also think she definitely would have been against not only his rejection of Katherine of Aragon - especially after knowing the importance of England's relationship to Castile and Aragon - but his reasons behind it, as well as hi rejection of the Catholic faith (although he never really did that in full, to be fair).

@leeannproctor2966 5 месяцев назад

Such a shame she and arthur died early. If Henry had joined the church would he have kept it in his pants.

@seanalee1439 3 месяца назад

@@leeannproctor2966Huh???

@leaveittoweaver4525 2 месяца назад

Agreed! I often wonder what she would've thought of Anne as well lol! I'd like to think they would've been done of each other as strong Tudor women, but I'm sure Elizabeth would've been furious of Henry wanting to divorce Catherine. Who knows..

@user-uj1ix8zl6j Месяц назад

Probably the same as what Diana would have said to Harry before he married Meghsie.

@Andy_Babb Месяц назад

Thank you SO much for these videos! I’m from the US and I’m so fascinated by British history! I’ve recently traced my ancestry back through England into 9th century Normandy, France! My 26th great grandmother was named Herlevin de Burgo, better known as Harleva of Falaise - mistress of Robert the Magnificent, mother to William the Bastard. And we all know who HE became! I was COMPLETELY blown away!

@nickisparrow2979 6 месяцев назад

I must say I love how you did Elizabeth of York's hair! Blond as a child turning reddish-gold as a teenager and young woman! I have read contemporary sources that say blond in one section, red in another, which led me to imagine her as a rare kind of Reddish-Gold/Strawberry Blond. Its stunning. Which makes sense to me as so many of her descendants had red hair! 14:23 and 35:35 are stand out lovely, looks like melted honey and copper! Hemm...maybe schools should bring back the "honesty and moral perfection" class! Society seems to be lacking in it these days. You did a wonderful job on this Queen, who very being symbolized reconciliation, a promised made possible by a gentle spirirt

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

Thank you - those sources are exactly why I made those choices for her hair! 😊We know her grand-daughter Elizabeth and son Henry both had red hair, and Henry VII had brown hair, so it had to come from somewhere! (Having said that, it may have run somewhere on Henry's side as well, as his paternal uncle Jasper Tudor also had red hair). Plus the most well-known portrait of Elizabeth of York shows a tiny bit of reddish-blonde hair peeping out on her forehead, although of course colours can change in portraits the older they get.

@DorchaEagla 6 месяцев назад

@@HistorysForgottenPeoplein order to have red hair n a child the gene needs to be from both sides. My maternal grandfather has red hair my paternal grandmother had red hair and I was only redhead my household with my siblings and parents having brown hair 😊

@juliegallagher9222 2 месяца назад

@DorchaEagla interesting you say that. I'm not a flaming red head, more like a light auburn. But I'm the only one in 2 generations with it, though some have highlights. In my grandparent's generation, my paternal grandma had 2 aunts with red hair, and my maternal grandfather had auburn hair. He used to say "silver threads among the gold" when he was older. I'm 51 and only have a couple of silver threads. Keeps me looking young without having to dye it!

@ODDwayne1 16 дней назад

Your narration and presentations are wonderfully done. Great quality and so enjoyable. Thank you much. 🎉

@HistorysForgottenPeople 14 дней назад

Thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊

@MaverickSeventySeven 6 месяцев назад

What a marvellous, informed narration! Thank you. H

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! ☺

@JangianTV 6 месяцев назад

First class history on a formidable woman; great stuff!

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

Thank you so much! I'm pleased you enjoyed the video. 😊

@alyciab7417 Месяц назад

Nice to see the story from her perspective.

@Contessa6363 3 месяца назад

Great video 😀👍👍♥️

@HistorysForgottenPeople 3 месяца назад

Thank you so much! 😊

@texasmamabear9651 3 месяца назад

I truly enjoyed this, Dear Lady! Subscribed.

@HistorysForgottenPeople 3 месяца назад

Thank you so much! Glad you to have you here. 😊

@altinaykor364 6 месяцев назад

Elizabeth and Henry, are probably my favorite couple from the era and I believe none of the other royal couples from England or other countries had such a beautiful life alongside each other💗But I wonder what would both of them think about their son and granddaughter changing the destiny of their kingdom forever

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

I agree, they were very rare in having an amazingly (especially for the time) equal, loving, and trusting relationship. The only other couple I can think of that were similar (but much less dynamic in many ways) were Queen Anne and her husband, Prince George of Denmark. Or maybe Edward III and Philippa of Hainault, although he certainly wasn't completely faithful! 😅 I do think, taking off my Emotionless Historian hat for a moment, that Henry and Elizabeth's marriage truly was a story of real romance, and it's not surprising Henry VIII was so desperate to recreate what he parents had. And yes, I imagine they wouldn't have been too happy with what Henry VIII did! I often think this (and what his devout grandmother, Margaret Beaufort would have thought too!), but I imagine they would have been proud of the legacy left by Elizabeth I, even if she was the last of their line.

@sherrylelee8274 6 месяцев назад

They are both one of my 13th great grandparents ❤

@leeannproctor2966 5 месяцев назад

Elizabeth ii and prince Philip most certainly had a successful marriage.

@altinaykor364 5 месяцев назад

@@leeannproctor2966 did Elizabeth II and Prince Phillip also lived at the end of 15th century and beginning of 16th century?

@StephanieBrooks-gi2zi 4 месяца назад

I would hace luked to see how henrys grandmotger margaret wozld hace reacted to his breaking from the church she was a real holy woman and i think she would have lost her shit on him

@Lori_Hanna 6 месяцев назад

Yaaay thank you for doing this one ❤

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

I'm pleased you enjoyed it! 😊

@liapix4249 6 месяцев назад

Thank you 🙏😊

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊

@shannonreynolds624 4 месяца назад

I'm glad you made this 🙃

@HistorysForgottenPeople 4 месяца назад

Thank you, I hope you enjoyed it! 😊

@MichelleBruce-lo4oc 6 месяцев назад

Hi, awesome live history video 😊 i enjoyed it. How are you doing? How is the weather where you are? I'm doing well, and so is my cat Benjamin. We have cold weather now in Ontario, Canada. All your history videos are always enjoyable and wonderful. My favorite monarch royal family is the tudors. What's your favorite monarch royal family?Have a great day. See you next video

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

Hi Michelle, I'm good thanks, glad to hear both you and Benjamin are doing great. 😊 If I had to pick one royal family as my favourite, hmm.....it's probably the Plantagenets! I don't like all of them, but I do think it was a fascinating family with so many different monarchs within it. Plus it started with my absolute royal heroine, Empress Matilda, and her husband Geoffrey Plantagenet.

@crazykitten440 2 месяца назад

I do believe I agree- in my ♥ 😂 of 💕 I've always regarded the Tudors as " Johnny come latelys"lastely, as the current ones. HMMN Maybe a skosh too Germanic, although with all the contemporary ones, WHO ISN'T?😢😮😢 12:54

@hazelgillett7168 6 месяцев назад

Brilliant as always. Thankyou, but instead of showing her daughter Margaret’s image, you showed one of Katherine of Aragon instead……

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

The image used is considered now to actually be of Margaret Tudor, and not Katherine of Aragon as was originally thought. The identification of it as Katherine was around 1904, I think, whereas the identification of the painting as Margaret was more recently in 2018 using new evidence not known in the early 20th century. So for that reason, I'm happy to use it as an image of Margaret, although as you point out, we don't know for certain. 😊

@leaveittoweaver4525 2 месяца назад

You forgot Princess Margaret Tudor who was born after Arthur, before Henry VIII & became the Queen Consort of Scotland to King James of Scotland (forgive me I don't remember what number James he was but I was to say the first?).. After England fought Scotland, with Queen Catherine of Aragon leading them as Henry VIII was fighting in France, king James of Scotland was killed & Margaret's son James was king, but he was a toddler so was allowed to rule for him if she didn't marry again. But she fell in love with the Earl of Angus & married in secret, so the counsel & late King James' brother took the child & he became Lord Protector until young James came of age. Margaret had a tumultuous love life very similar to her granddaughter Mary Queen of Scots.

@Nursie 5 месяцев назад

I loved this documentary you did on this! I actually love all the stuff I have watched of yours! Is it better to become a member on RU-vid or Patreon? I would like to join one of them! Thank you again! I hope I get a response! Cheers!

@HistorysForgottenPeople 5 месяцев назад

Thank you so much, that's so kind! 😊 I'm not actually on Patreon at the moment, but you can join here on RU-vid!

@Nursie 5 месяцев назад

I did actually join on RU-vid:-) thank you for your response! Looking forward to more of your amazing work 😁

@sherrylelee8274 6 месяцев назад

Elizabeth of York was one of my 13th Grandmothers ❤

@rwundert4773 5 месяцев назад

Danke für die gute Aussprache. Konnte ich gut verstehen❤😊

@HistorysForgottenPeople 5 месяцев назад

Danke, gern geschehen. Ich freue mich, dass dir das video gefallen hat! ☺

@zabrinna6554 5 месяцев назад

The photo on 33:33 is actually Catherine of Aragon, Henry's first wife. It is a painting by Michael Sittow during the late 15th or early 16th century.

@HistorysForgottenPeople 5 месяцев назад

There's discussion now over the identity of the sitter, and a more recent study suggests it is in fact Mary Tudor (the original identification was I think in about 1905, so there's a lot more information about the Tudors now). You're right though in that it could also be Catherine of Aragon, but I personally prefer the Mary Tudor theory. It's one of those subjective historical things, and who knows if we'll ever know for certain! 😊

@savinghistory642 2 месяца назад

you are wrong@@HistorysForgottenPeople

@altinaykor364 Месяц назад

@@HistorysForgottenPeople but if you look at Mary's sketchy portrait which was drawn in French court, you notice that it doesn't resemble that portrait even slightest! while the portrait of Catherine in her teenage years on the other hand, totally does. so you're wrong

@shannonreynolds624 4 месяца назад

More is being known about her and the calming of Henry and talking sense to him. However, I'm sure she put her foot down, Henry listened. There was a weird rumor that she, her mother and Margaret Beaufort were all credited for advocating for girls, poor girls, should also have a right to learn to read, do simple math as to help the family. I'll have to find it or does someone know.

@franceshorton918 Месяц назад

Agree. It wouldn't be surprising if those ladies advocated for basic numeracy and literacy. Even back then philosophers were aware of the need for working people to be competent. The Dame Schools were in almost every village, but at the fee of a penny a day, attendance was mostly irregular. Today, we still worry that our youth are failing to master numeracy and literacy to the standard we expect. Nothing changes, does it?

@mousemd Месяц назад

Thank You I wonder where the names of cities in New England USA come from. I have heard a great many cities in Great Britain

@crazykitten440 2 месяца назад

Sixth was her son but He was First of the " whole ball of Wax" the UK- gee i wish I'd i knew them all but with This Author, i feel i do!😅

@elliotkey7961 5 месяцев назад

❤❤❤

@savinghistory642 2 месяца назад

the picture you put of Mary when naming elizabeths children was really catherine of aragon who would become her daughter in law.

@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 месяца назад

I've replied to this in several other comments. The identity of the sitter as Catherine of Aragon was made in around 1915, but a more recent analysis of the sitter - around 2008, I think - has identified it as being more likely to be Mary Tudor. There is no agreement on which one is right, so I use the portrait interchangeably.

@altinaykor364 Месяц назад

@@HistorysForgottenPeople will, there is Mary's sketchy portrait which is surely her and doesn't resemble that portrait at all

@Jaymagpie2002 2 месяца назад

Poor Richard iii

@altinaykor364 Месяц назад

poor Richard Grey and Anthony Woodville who were beheaded by his command, just cause they were trying to protect the two princes, which ultimately leaded to those two boy's tragic fate. poor them

@Jaymagpie2002 Месяц назад

@altinaykor364 it was a tough time it richard didn't they might had killed him

@lillianmcgrew217 6 месяцев назад

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@jamellfoster6029 6 месяцев назад

*The older son of Elizabeth Woodville put to death by Richard III was Richard Gray not Thomas Woodville.

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

Yes, it was Richard Grey, not Thomas Grey - thank you for spotting that! I'll put a note in my description. I do make errors sometimes in recording, apologies. 😊

@jamellfoster6029 6 месяцев назад

@HistorysForgottenPeople not a problem. Happy to assist.

@lfgifu296 6 месяцев назад

Now for ye question, sticking to last week's theme, who's your favourite and least favourite painter? As for favourite, I love myself some Renoir, his paintings generally fill me with a mix of happiness, admiration, and ecstasy (istg if yt deletes my comment because of that last word😭😭). Least favourite though... I have some, but so many of them committed suic*de it feels wrong to say "yeah I quite hated his art☺☺"

@DarthDread-oh2ne 6 месяцев назад

Hello, friend. Was you able to find the documentary ?

@lfgifu296 6 месяцев назад

@@DarthDread-oh2ne Hello. Sadly, I have not yet found the time to look it up, but, hopefully, next week things will get lighter and I'll be able to do so :)

@DarthDread-oh2ne 6 месяцев назад

@@lfgifu296 Ah, I see. You have A great week.

@lfgifu296 6 месяцев назад

@@DarthDread-oh2ne Thanks, you too!

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

Oh, my goodness, I have to pick ONE!? This is going to be hard, haha. 😂 I think one of my favourites is John Waterhouse. I remember when I first saw 'The Lady of Shalott' at school when we were reading the poem in English, and I was completely captured by it. It's a beautiful painting, firstly, and it's all soft and ethereal which perfectly fits the subjects he chose, that kind of realism-meets-fantasy stuff. I was really into Greek and Roman myths when I was younger too, and so many of his paintings have inspired the way we see the figures from those stories, in a very different way than they would have been seen when they were written! There's also the beginning of the Arts and Craft movement in his work that looks so elegant. 😊 Okay, WORST. This one is hard to choose, too, haha! But for different reasons. It's probably Andy Warhol. I don't really think he has any right in calling himself an 'artist', and I don't understand what people see in differently-coloured versions of a soup can! 😅 To each their own, of course, but I just don't enjoy it myself. I do think Pop Art looks cool, I just don't think it's something that can be compared on the same level as other art, and can probably be placed in the same circle as my AI 'art'!

@penelopeclayton1341 5 месяцев назад

Polydore Virgil was 13 and in Italy when Richard III was crowned. Unlikely to be an accurate report of anything happening at the time in Britain!

@HistorysForgottenPeople 5 месяцев назад

You're right, and not right. Often these reports were compiled ten, twenty years after the events. They're still considered 'contemporary' as they were within a few decades of the event, so people could be asked about those events if still living. Think of a historian today going and interviewing people about the fall of the Berlin Wall. They would definitely find people who remembered accurate details, etc. But as you point out, memories can change, be added to, looked back on differently, so of course there's nothing 100% accurate. But that goes even if a historian was standing in front of something happening - several different people at the same event would have different things to say about it. There's also the bias of who actually funds the work (this goes for modern evidence too, on both sides).

@user-fg9xz4bz3b 4 месяца назад

Will her daughters margaret and mary be getting a segment to?

@HistorysForgottenPeople 4 месяца назад

They might well do! I have a huge list of people to work through, and it gets added to all the time, but they will all come eventually. 😊

@Sarmatae1 5 месяцев назад

That's Catherine of Aragon at 33:29. Not Mary Tudor, Queen of France, but you wouldn't be the first to make that error.

@HistorysForgottenPeople 5 месяцев назад

I've explained this in a few other comments, but I appreciate that it's often hard to find them again! The image was identified as Catherine of Aragon around 1905, and the identification of the portrait as Mary Tudor is much more recent (2005, I think) with new evidence and many more sources available. It doesn't of course make it definite either way, but I feel the identity of the sitter as Mary Tudor is more compelling, personally.

@Courtneybenson907 6 месяцев назад

The White Queen. the White Princess, and The Spanish Princess did her dirty.

@StephanieBrooks-gi2zi 6 месяцев назад

In a way they did but it is full of Cinematic scenes an plotlines but what they did get right was the way marriage changed her an that from that point on she was tudor not york bot lancaster but tudor because she would have wanted her sons to be able to inherit and she wanted them safe an so she wouldnt have ever plotted against henery for it would have been the same as plotting against her own children i think it showed where her loyalties changed as she became a mother wife an monarch and i think she knew from her mothers life that keeping the crown meant safety for herself an children she had seen what can happen if they lost their throne but i get why u didnt like the shows but do remember its all for tv

@ThunderousSunflower 6 дней назад

I too have had 7 pregnancies. My last at 37. I too almost died from hemorrhage. If not in modern days, I would not have made it. Elizabeth is one of my predecessors. I wonder if the reason to keep lines going is for reincarnation purposes? I have heard of cases not being in the same family, and also how many thousands of us are there from this line? Yeah, Idk, lol. It was just a thought. Anyone? If you were reincarnated, would you want to know your previous lives? I know I wouldn't want to, haha.

@angelac6820 6 месяцев назад

Now that there is so much evidence that the two princes did go abroad, book out and channel 4 programme as of 18 Nov. Book by Philippa Langley, The Princes in the Tower’

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

No, there is not so much evidence. I actually reference the new 'evidence' put forward by Langley in my dedicated video on the Princes in the Tower and why it's unreliable. Her work has been widely broken apart and rejected by several historians, mostly on the grounds that she is attempting to show her theory as fact, rather than a theory.

@ld9044 6 месяцев назад

Not a bias documentary at all.

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

What bias would that be, then?

@christyhollis7909 4 месяца назад

You have done Margaret Beaufort and other ladies of this period could you please or think about georgiana duchess of devonshire she had a hard marriage but politics made her strong woman of her time. You can do her justice Thank you so much

@HistorysForgottenPeople 4 месяца назад

I promise she's definitely coming! 😂☺ I've got notes for her, and it will happen (soon!).

@christyhollis7909 4 месяца назад

Happy new year to you and thank you for everything you do

@leeannproctor2966 6 месяцев назад

Was Elizabeth of York as beautiful as her mother?

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

I think it is mentioned in a few sources that she was beautiful, but they don't seem to gush as much as they did about her mother.

@mousemd Месяц назад

I wonder how accurate that other channeler is? He traced the royal bloodline to a man who lives in Australia today. Not really sure which bloodline he followed?

@HistorysForgottenPeople Месяц назад

I'm not sure, but I think that's been debunked a few times by other people.

@animallover6645 6 месяцев назад

I like Elizabeth Woodville, but her ambitious side is a turn off, she was very irrational and should have gotten along with Richard, maybe none of this would have happened. However Richard was probably not trustworthy so I get her thinking.

@starmorgan9241 6 месяцев назад

Actually he was very loyal and devoted to his brother I’m fairly certain that he claimed the throne to protect himself because of the pushback of the rivers if she had gotten along with him the succession could have been different because he was planning a coronation for the boy king Edward and ended up canceling you don’t start planning something you’re not intending to go through with his plans changed probably because he was in danger or he felt what he worked for was in danger

@emilybarclay8831 День назад

@@starmorgan9241he was loyal to his brother, except the moment Edward was dead he betrayed and imprisoned Edward’s sons. Edward would have spat on him for what he did to Edward V and his brother. The MOMENT Edward V was in his custody, he postponed the coronation that was apparently already prepared and ready to go. You don’t think that’s suspicious

@annarosetarot 2 месяца назад

Golden embroidery 🥴🥴🥴 😂

@CORLEONESPORTS97 13 дней назад

so pathetic their only concern was having children and power sad life

@Happyheretic2308 6 месяцев назад

Poor Elizabeth, with that creature as a husband, and the b***h from hell as a mother-in-law. 17 years of it ….

@carinafourie9119 6 месяцев назад

Don’t believe everything you see on Starz or read about in fiction. There’s no proof Margaret Beaufort was a MIL from h*ll and Henry VII was by all contemporary accounts, a faithful and loving husband and mourned Elizabeth’s death deeply.

@HistorysForgottenPeople 6 месяцев назад

@carinafourie9119 got here before me - as she says, the historical sources actually show that Henry VII and Elizabeth of York had a loving and faithful marriage, and that Elizabeth got on well with Margaret Beaufort (who I'm sure was more than likely rather forceful, but doesn't make her any less caring towards her daughter-in-law). Historical fiction often looks for drama where there isn't any in order to make a good story, which is fine until the particular author won't stand down from the incorrect information.

@doriamurriola7188 6 месяцев назад

@@HistorysForgottenPeopleI think part of the "loving" partnership facade was the fact that Elizabeth of york never interfered in any politics, even when SHE was the true heir in their situation. If she had been less meek, he would have crushed her as he did with the rest of her family, including her sisters. She married him in part to keep her family safe, but he and their mounstrous son tried to completely erradicate the yorks. When Henry vii moved to imprison her sister catherine son and husband, there was some kind of breakdown in the marriage, being pregnant with her last child, Elizabeth went to a royal progress acompanied by sister Catherine, this was her way of discreetly separating from her husband, they didnt see ech other in her last months, he spent the most in her burial which was most likely his guilty conscience for how he treated her and utterly destroyed her family

@rebeccablackburn9487 6 месяцев назад

Actually, Henry really loved Elizabeth. He was one of the few kings who didn't have any mistresses.

@doriamurriola7188 6 месяцев назад

@@rebeccablackburn9487 That was politics, just like his mother, being impregnated at 12 by his much older dad and being married like a year, in which they barely saw each other, and having 2 loving marriages, 2nd one for twenty some years, declared that Edmund Tudor was her real love and chose to be buried with him. They deviced an intricate PR image to be presented as better than their predecessors, but actually being way worse, examples: New regime (in fact, Henry vii copy pasted Edward iv kingship), being faithful, bcs Edward iv was a man whore, accusing Richard 3 of killing the princes in the tower, while dear old henry imprisoned warwick when he was barely 10 years old and patiently waited to execute him for prison at 24, only bcs the poor boy couldnt take it anymore and tried to escape, this without mentioning how he/his son sistematically imprisoned, bankrupted and executed any plantagenet left. Also, all of Edward iv daughters completely retire from public life to the point they just banished and we dont know almost anything abt them, i wonder what sinister force in the background could force Royal Princesses to live and dissapear like simple commoners