This playthrough is gonna end with the 1st episode titled "I Shouldn't Have Played This Game" to the last episode being titled "I'm So Glad I Played This Game"
@@DeiZeiga Not at all, remember her dying wish was for him to not forget her, its the entire reason he became a flesh eater. So he would not automatically return to his core forgetting all about his life with her.
I always thought he kept her body frozen so at least he could live with himself knowing 1. She was always near him so that rather, 2. He wouldn’t bring himself to bury her anywhere, so he thought keeping her here was the best choice for him
Fun fact: The reason why there are so many common blades in comparison to rare blades is because most core crystal went through Amalthus's cleansing of data to "make it easier to bond with drivers" when he was really just stealing all the blades memories for himself. All our rare blades have been found or given to us or just taken from another dead driver before he was able to get his hands on them first and erase what makes them unique
A commonly accepted fan theory is that the reason for the Titans slowly dying off is Amalthus. The Cleansing procedure allows him to manipulate the data present within core crystals, allowing him and his forces to use them without much difficulty. However, that data is also what allows a Blade to eventually become a Titan. After a Blade has gone through multiple drivers and lives, it will eventually form into a Titan. Without the data however, they cannot do that. Additionally, its very poetic what Amalthus is doing. He wishes to burn the world to recreate it in his ideology, but the very way he goes about it prevents him from actually creating that world. Its almost instinctual, like his sheer hatred for the world is what ends up destroying it, despite his main intention being to recreate the world. You can see how he is a mirror to Malos, with their motives being similar, but their way of going about it being different, one doing it out of malice and hatred, while the other is doing it out of ignorance and personal gain. Edit: Galea is a character present in Xenoblade 1, being Meyneth, the God of the Mechonis, and the person who took refuge in Fiora for a bit.
Oh I thought he was killing off the titans on purpose this whole time I guess this makes more sense for it being unintentional seeing as he never brings it up the entire game Now that I think about it there’s really no other reason discussed for why the titans would be dying off besides amalthus too huh
The one thing that makes me argue against this fan theory, is that we know Titans have been dying out because Rex says it at the beginning of the game. But what makes this a weak counter argument, is that we don’t know for how long. And it’s not an oversight by the writers, it’s limited knowledge of the characters that they can only share so much to the player
@@buddymmx3936nah he 100% knew as titan biology as it was studied during his lifetime and revealed to him so removing the data that allowed blades to evolve and eventually become titans would stop that process
My theory is a bit different. My theory is that the cleansing procedure doesn't take away data or anything like that. but more a procedure he initially found in order to look into cores data as well as making the cores safer for things like blade eater procedures. and it had the additional effect of increasing resonance rate. Amalthus says the reason he created the procedure was to find and raise cores containing certain data, and Jin says he took the cores from all those blades. so combining those, i don't think the cleansing procedure took data or information from the cores in the procedure, but it was something he did in order to discern which cores he would want and then inject those cores into himself using blade eater technology and possibly make the core safer to do so. As for the titans dying out, I think that's easily explained by the fact that Indol controls the distribution of blade cores. Super powers are heavily incentivized to ship their cores to Indol cause the cleansing procedure increases the likelihood of resonance. and the nature of it means that what they receive from indol doesn't have to follow any pattern or ratio to what they send in. effectively allowing Indol and Amalthus to hoard blade cores and reduce how many are out there.
The scene with Zeke asking Rex if he likes people and the world, and Rex's statement that he likes himself are so important. He is the total opposite to Amalthus who hates the world desiring it's descruction, hates people who kill and cause suffering in this world, and hates himself who is a killer and contributes to that suffering. This very hatred is what spawned Malos, drives him to revel in chaos and destruction, and drives him to hate Amalthus just as he hates himself.
Jin, Malos, and the rest of Torna are prob one of my fav JRPG villains. They are a foil to Rex's party. They all share a close bond. It is rare to see villains use the power of friendship. They even have the typical JRPG goal of killing a god. Not to mention, they also have RPG roles with each other, Patroka (Attacker), Mikhail (Tank), and Ahkos (Support). They even initially had it twice over at the beginning of the game, Malos (Tank), Jin (Attacker), and Nia (Support).
@DeiZeiga Yeah, the rest outside of Jin and Malos are sorta underdeveloped, but still can appreciate their close bonds. Like how Patroka reciprocated Mikhails' feelings at the end and how Alkhos considers Patroka his sister
I'm so happy that everyone came together to keep him from being spoiled. It's a beautiful story anyway, but that shock of learning for the first time is a joy to watch.
@@rhettorical RIGHT? I'm always so used to other communities trying to spoil stuff before they even get near the reveals but I'm glad we came together and basically had counter information comments to keep him from the spoiler to make it hit THAT much harder.
Apparently Malos's Japanese voice actor was actually confused about Jin's gender when reading the script due to how _charged_ the lines were. His English voice actor on the other hand is gay himself and decided to go all-in.
If only Malos wasn't awakened by Amalthus. He could've been a good guy. But props to him for legitimately being a friend to Jin...even if he was a little bit of a bad influence lol
"And when i'm not around to stand by you in that effort...... someone else will!" Xenoblade 3's protagonists: 👀 Also yeah, surprise! This game is tied to Xenoblade 1. We gaslighted you so as to not spoil the surprise. And since you were wondering, Galea became Meyneth from Xenoblade 1 after the experiment failed just like Klaus became Zanza, the rest will be explained shortly after. One last little tidbit, you know that hole on the ground that Amalthus made when he broke through the floor which is still present during his boss fight? That's not a cosmetic detail, that shit stays there permanently, you can fall down it both during and after the boss fight. But you can also push Amalthus into it with blowdown to instakill him and end the fight right then and there, it's pretty hard to do and equally as funny, and i'm told speedrunners use the strat all the time. I cannot fucking wait for the last episode! Nearly two years later and you're almost at the end! I also can't wait for the eventual Torna and Future Connected playthroughs and, of course, Xenoblade 3. Have a wonderful endgame, my man!
Funniest thing ever, thought it was just like the pit caused by Malos during the Cliffs of Morytha fight. finding out it was entirely bottomless as high up as we were was absolutely hilarious.
Also also, I find that Galea (supoosedly) being the Guldo you fight in the ruins of Torna, quite the interesting theory. Hell I don’t know why players assumed it was Galea out of all the scientists that became the Guldos of Morytha
@@LFPman Galea being the Infernal Guldo was actually deconfirmed in an interview included in the Xenoblade 3 artbook. People theorized that because the ID card it drops has the same picture as Galea's ID, but it was just a reused asset and the Guldo is supposed to be a regular woman.
@@joshuareesor1756 It makes sense though, since all of Galea’s soul went to Mechonis, while only half of Klaus went to Bionis and his other half stayed in Alrest. Though perhaps there’s a deeper connection between that guldo and the Fog King (considering they have the same exact character model and animations in battle)
I won’t spoil it. But rewatch the cutscene when Alvis shows Shulk when Klaus created the universe at the end of the Xenoblade 1. You’ll know perfectly who “Galea” was
🫡 Pour one out for my boah Mik. Still a more tragic life than Jin’s to me. Really wish he had no more interaction with Brighid, Haze, Aegaeon and Mythra. If you know you know. There’s a nice detail when Jin f*cked you guys up at the end of Chapter 6 when Rex is down saying “I have to find the answers we’re searching for” and the camera pans to Mikhail turning his head to Rex when holding Mórag at throat point. And what’s his final words to Rex? “It’s Rex right? Have you found your answer yet?”
@@Kamakiri86 ever since playing the Torna side story and seeing THAT moment with Mikhail, i’ve kind of hated the writers for two instances in the main story when it came to Mikhail 1. When we first fight Patroka and Mikhail and as Mythra smites them he goes “She’s…she’s, beautiful” because Mikhail sure as hell has got a good memory if he remembers living with the Old Torna crew and how he hates Amalthus to the bone more than Akhos and Patroka do. 2. His sacrifice. It would’ve been really cheap way to say “play the DLC”, but I wanted Mikhail’s final goodbye to our gang be something like an ambiguous “Mythra, I forgive you” that the player wouldn’t know until the play the DLC. I’ll most likely chalk it up to that the writers weren’t going to account for how frequent Mikhail would be present during the Torna side story
There's a really funny speed running technique to killing Amalthus fast. Speed runners can set up a blade combo to blow Amalthus back, which if done correctly, can throw him back into the hole he made in the floor, killing him instantly.
I wanted to mention that too. It’s hilarious. I think it involves using Break and a Blade Combo 3 special. Particularly if it has knockback/blowdown effect I think
Bro it is so hilarious. I actually killed him by accident like that on my first playthrough. He has half his health, and the battle was already long, I had Kora with Zeke (He can cause blowdown with the claws, although he actually does a drop kick haha). I had Amalthus near the hole from a blowdown effect I did with a previous Blade Combo, and then, suddenly Zeke makes the move and... bye bye Amalthus, say hi to your mom for me.
That moment of realization when you realize this game is was actually a sequel (or happening at the same time) to the first game the entire time Gotta love Monolith
Fun fact: When the game gives the tutorial for the 3 person attack between Rex, Pyra, and Nia, you can actually use that attack in the Amalthus fight (which is before the tutorial is given). I assume because there was no time inbetween the Jin fight and the Amalthus fight for that tutorial to happen.
That opening cutscene to chapter 10 blew all us Xeno fans mind back in the day. All connections to past Xeno games at that point were just references. Mostly because Gears, Saga and Blade are all owned by different companies. So for us XC1 players from the Wii game going into this game and seeing this was one of the biggest twists. Especially since X has no direct connections so we assumed 2 would be the same. But nah this is the first time 2 Xeno games were directly connected to each other. The different episodes of Saga don’t count cause those were all connected from the get go and weren’t hiding it. Also the woman named Galea, she’s Meyneth from Xenoblade 1. The soul of Mechonis. And yes the meeting with Shulk is non-canon. People saying that vision of earth wasn’t a connection just said it so not to spoil you o this reveal.
@@DeiZeiga To be fair, the land of challenge is not canon to the story at all... so people were very correct about that :) But yes... XB fans will go to great lengths to prevent spoilers from sucking the fun out of people's playthroughs.
Yeah, this whole 3rd act of Xenoblade 2, I don’t think I had ever been more invested in a story or characters. G’ Dayum do I love this game. ❤️💛🩶 And Rexes character growth *chefs kiss - that scene back in Gormott where he tried to pull up Pyra but needed Poppi’s help and now he grabs her mid air and swings them both to safety. So many small things that just adds up, so freaking good. Can’t wait for the finally!
I watched these people grow over the course of this story and the side quests, I've never felt this way about video game characters before. I'm proud of their growth.
@@Gamer-zg2wb if by insane, you mean Mikhail reuniting with Jin only to find put Jin’s working with the very same guy who killed a certain someone close to Mikhail…then yeah, insane indeed
It also does _not_ trigger if you try to use it as Mythra. It will however trigger if you have Mythra at max affinity and trigger it with Nia (because Pyra and Mythra share affinity).
Jin is a really good antagonist. Reawakened by one of the kindest people in this world, Lora. Helping defeat Malos only for Amalthus to send a squad to destroy the Aegis, mortally wounding Lora in the process, feeling like he had no choice but to become a flesh eater to keep remembering her as she died, and to get revenge on Amalthus. Not to mention he took Haze and a part of her core. Which is why he kills Haze, to free her from the monster that is Amalthus. He became disillusioned with his place in this world, and the Architect, and the people in this world. Only being able to find new friendships in Torna, only for them all to die too, with the exception of Nia and Malos. It's only through his various encounters with Rex does he find that his will and duty can be "handed down" as he says. I love Jin as a character, and I'm glad you now know why too.
And I feel like a certain Xenoblade 3 antagonist even takes it a step further in the right direction of “How can we make Jin better, and correct the writing flaws of him?” No really I do.
"friendships in Tora," Not hating on the typo, but the image of Tora and Jin being best friends and bonding like the rest of Torna's members just cracks me up. Do you think Jin would be into Blushy-Crushy?
Fun fact: If you can push Amalthus into the hole he crawled out of (literally), that ends the fight right then and there. You'll miss the chain attack bonuses but it is so cathartic being able to kill him by pushing him to his entryway. XD
During my bringer of caos run I tried so much, my adenine was spamming, but fuck I couldn't do It After tons of try, had to actually pray and win normally.
Lora has been dead since Jin became a Flesh Eater out of desperation to not forget her, and keeping her preserved in ice also served that purpose, though in another parallel to Amalthus, he also kept it as a reminder of their misguided trust/hope for the Architect/humans. Rex wasn't wrong when he compared them, but obviously they didn't go exactly the same paths. Also wow that was such a fun video to witness. Have fun with the 2 new level 4 Specials with Pyra and Nia! Also don't forget now that you are in chapter 10, you can do a quest that's related to Bana.
Yeah definitely felt that, and 2 was my first game. Also you need to complete 2 quest called Farewell, Good Friend and Bana's Secret Treasure. Once those are done, you go talk to Niranira in the Chairman's Room in Argentum.
Lot to cover with this one so let’s get into it. Mikhail is one of my favourite characters in the game. There were hints that he was older than he looked, namely him showing up in cutscenes in the past, but he also knew that Fan La Norns real name was Haze. He’s also the only one to ever question Torna’s goal, showing that even he’s more loyal to Jin than their ideals. On the other hand, there’s Malos. Malos would do anything for Jin, and is more Jin’s blade than he was ever Amalthus’. A lesser game would have had him betray or not care for Jin, but he’s genuinely upset when they part ways. Even if Amalthus hadn’t taken their cores, Ahkos and Patroka couldn’t come back. They’re flesh eaters like Jin and Nia, one chance is all they get. Zeke and Amalthus’ heart to heart is important because it shows that Amalthus was ultimately human. Zeke was probably the only person he opened up to like that, and Zeke’s sympathy isn’t supposed make up pity him. Zeke understood Amalthus, possibly even considered him a friend once. He knows he’s an irredeemable monster, but can’t help remember how he saved his life. And most importantly, it’s only Zeke that expresses sympathy. No one else mourns him, not even Pandoria. But Zeke can’t help but feel pity. Regarding the Shulk cross over, it’s PROBABLY not canon, however it doesn’t actually contradict anything in the story and could happen. At the very least it’s canon to smash bros. Finally, there’s Klaus. In 1 all we saw was a megalomaniacal asshole, just Zanza without the power, but here he’s recontextualised as someone with a bit more character. He still wants to become a god, but he’s not just doing it for his own sake. He genuinely believes the experiment is a good thing for humanity, and rather than throwing Galea when she tries to stop him, he tries to explain to her before pushing her off him. We see that he, just like Amalthus, was just a human.
@@DeiZeiga She was there so that Jin could remember what he's fighting for and what the world took from him. So that he didn't stray away from his mission with Malos.
35:27 It’s official! DeiZeiga has completed his shonun arc! My man has truly grown and I am not mocking you one bit! I knew you could change your perception on Jin. It just took some time
We all lied to you about the tie-in to XC1 in the comment section... the same way the devs lied to us LOL... Also Galea is Meyneth, you remember the Soul of the Mechonis.
“WHO’S THE BAD GUY ANYMORE?!” Welp, now you know, you kept wondering about Amalthus the entire game, his motives, his awakening of malos ~~his ability to survive falling from large distances.~~ but now you have your answers, I think your confusion makes the reaction all the better, because you expected him to be the biggest shitbag, and still you go wide eyed, Malos is evil because he adopted Amalthus’s ideals unwillingly, he spread that tragedy to Jin, Jin spread that tragedy to Torna, Torna kept ruining things for us as the player, and it’s Amalthus’s fault, you were right “He’s been manipulating everyone’s lives.” You said before iirc, although it’s more indirect.
17:26 when I got to this moment I was like "This is the best seasonal anime I have ever seen in the past decade". Because people kept saying this game had a ton of anime cliches. Like fuck those people man. If this was an anime this shit would by the most hyped and beloved show when it came out. Like damn man I don't wanna hear shit that Rex is a bad protagonist when he's got an amazing scene like this. Granted I don't think people now-a-days say that. But back during the first two years the game was out there were plenty of people like that.
The comments section has done my job of the lore dump, so all I have left to say is Je-je-je-je-jebaited! Yeah we weren't spoiling this reveal for you, it only gets spicier don't you worry, the gaslighting was done with good intentions. I hope you enjoy the final stretch of this game, this is absolute peak fiction.
Actually that’s kind of a bit of a retcon now that I think of it. Yeah, the concept of the third form is to create whatever the heck it wants. In that scenario, she was able to match Jin’s supersonic speed. So yeah, he probably could’ve hit Amalthus from back at the tree
Takahashi also said that Xenoblade 1 and 2 had nothing to do with each other. So, when we watched this scene, we were all mindblown. Galea is Meyneth (the soul of Mechonis). And as for Torna: it's completely normal to develop sympathy for them.
Mikhail: You took everything from me! Amalthus: I don’t even know who you are Is how you sum up Mikhail. Without spoiling the Torna DLC, Amalthus indirectly took basically everything that Mikhail held dear to him
About that three person attack tutorial at the end of the video, the way it works is that if you get Pyra (unfortunately Pyra only) and Blade Nia to high affinity (the yellow bond line) in battle, there’s a special animation for their Level IV blade special and it’s different depending on whether you initiate it with Pyra or Nia
Because it's for Xenoblade 1 I'll clarify about Galea. Galea is Meyneth. When Klaus was reincarnated into the Xenoblade 1 world as Zanza, the controller of the Bionis, Galea was also reincarnated as Meyneth, the controller of the Mechonis. Also, you may decide not to because you don't want to take away from the story but, if you're looking for another detour from finishing the game, have Adenine be a member of your party and look through the World Tree again. Her Blade Quest was located there.
I love the speedrun strategy for the Amalthus fight being hit him with a knock back effect to send him back into the hole he came out of, resulting in instant death via ring out
Man I love this game and all its characters. I just realise (after nth times seeing or playing this game) that Rex carrying Pneuma when he used his grappling hook could be a reference at the begin of the game when he couldn't lift Pyra. And I particularly love Rex's speech to Jin (and how he stays the same in FR).
29:02 fun fact the hole that amalthus made can be used to insta kill him by knocking him down it which is super funny but absolutely ruins the tension and emotion for the battle and what comes after
Incredible episode, man! I love the ending of Chapter 9, and Im so glad to see you come around on my boy Jin! As for your question about Galea, Galea is Meyneth from Xenoblade 1, though in the corresponding cutscene from XC1 her name was never said so you wouldnt remember that name specifically. More of your questions will be answered as we approach the ending though!
38:20 Hey by the way remember when Molas was shouting out Monado Arts? Nia Your power destroys Molas, but mine restores and when Pyra and Mythra Fused in to Pneuma Yeah that's Important! so yeah, that was another hint that they were Connected Fun Fact you'll get more on how the Monado and the Aegis are connected next episode! (: also i enjoyed the video by the way i loved how you were absolutely bamboozled, also i knew you would warm up to Jin Sad fact, but the reason why he killed fan is to put her out of her misery because she was being used by that awful man, Amalthus!!, so i can't wait for you to play Torna (':
I was shocked when I first saw it but then I thought the Monado was just a reference to 1 and nothing more but goddamn I was wrong! I see WHY he did it I just think that returning her to her core would've been enough.
@@DeiZeiga But you see, she couldn't return to her core because Amalthus has the other half, you see if she would have lived (Past the chapter she had died) our party would have had the turmoil of Ki**ing Amalthus which would in turn Kill Fan regardless of what Jin did, can you imagine what Rex would do? because if her driver dies, she dies because her core is haft so she can't return to her core )':
I remember 2017, before Xenoblade 2 released Nintendo was saying (actually I think it was an interview with the Legend Director Takahashi) Xeno 2 was not connected at all with Xeno 1. What a surprise it was to see this by myself in the game, and also slowly realize there was a connection after that vision when Rex picks the 3rd Aegis sword or Malos shows up wielding a Monado or Mythra literally having Visions power
I believe that’s when it started to get developed it was meant to be a special chapter to play as Jin to try and flesh out Jins backstory but it e evolved into too big a thing so they turned it into the dlc
I just thought of something. Perhaps the orbital ring isnt fixed to the tower but rather fixed relative to Earth's orbit. A tunnel through the space station , likely with wheels or whatever means, makes it so the orbital ring works as an upper support, to keep such massive and high building up straight and prevent it from falling, and as the earth rotates on itself everyday the whole tower moves along the ring as a road of sorts. So the beanstalk would be moving kinda like a clock's hand around the planet.
I should mention as Rex and Crew are going through their adventures Shulk and Crew are at the exact same Story spot in Bionis as Rex and Crew in Alrest and there's a reason for it. Anyways at least in 3 you won't like any villains you may feel sorry but you won't feel bad mostly.
I always found funny every time you hated Jin so I was waiting for this moment to see if you changed your thoughts on him and lol, it never fails! Xenoblade really has good written characters that you eventually understand and get very attached to. Kinda sad this is about to end but at the same time very excited to see your reactions and still theres more Xenoblade to come after that! Enjoy the last chapter, as you saw from that opening, it's really gonna be peak.
A majority of your answers are about to be answered. Xenoblade 3 is very similar, a large amount of your questions get answered near or at the end. Can’t wait for the next episode!
I mean, Jin is still a mass murder. But damn, is he a sympathetic villain! And yes, hello Beanstalk. Hello... Klaus. Welcome to the endgame. Glad that people could gaslight you into getting this lorebomb dropped on you unprepared!
14:34 I looked up Jin’s voice lines today ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5XEYDpN5d0w.htmlsi=y7fjXIyBtvs2RMRo ) and found a lot of battle dialogue from Jin’s lines. They’re unique with Jin fighting Rex, Mythra and Nia. And even unused dialogue for the rest of the gang when you reunite back with them in Morytha. Funny thing with Jin’s interactions with Tora, he keeps calling him “Fuzzball” and if he revives Zeke, Jin says “Get up! People are slipping all over you!”
FINALLY!!! ALSO I’M LATE I’M SO SORRY DEIZEIGA 😂😭. Idk if you care, or will ever do this, but you can summon the Torna blades(except for Jin and Malos obviously lol) in New Game +. Anyways can’t wait for Torna DLC ❤
Bro these comments are crazy 😂 Ive played this game years ago and i knew some of these theories but MAN im learning so much more its like im playing the game again trying to piece everything together. I really wished patroka and Akhos didnt die tho 😭i felt like their journey was just beginning
I’ve been following this play through from the beginning, I’m so glad everybody didn’t spoil anything. And yea I think you will agree with us on the earlier chapters that the game only gets good towards the end. It’s really weird but the beginning of this game is mediocre and the end is just awesome. I can’t wait for the last chapter haha it will be amazing.
GIVE THIS A READ and I’ll explain to you that whole Klaus cutscene that was at the end, without spoiling as much as possible. The vision you saw when Rex came into contact to the Aegis Sword in the Crucible showed him Klaus’ birth of the universe. This was the cutscene that finally told fans of the first game, that there is something (even a little bit) showing that these two games are connected. Now, the Land of Challenge with Shulk and Fiora, THAT IS NOT CANON. That is because it is fanservice (especially) side content that was added later to the game (meaning the devs may not have planned for Shulk and Fiora to exist in Xenoblade 2). And it could really just exist so players could have Shulk and Fiora be playable in some sort of way. The only way you’ll finally understand how the 2 games are connected and canon, is this final chapter, but especially. Xenoblade 3’s side story. You heard me right, Xenoblade 3. The game that came later…with additional side content
I kinda contradict about the land of challenge part, because in future redeemed shulk and rex seems like they already know each other, i know there's a long time after the world combined, but if pyra and mithra we're disappear when the the world collide and if shulk meet rex after that does that mean shulk doesn't know how both of them look like but it seems like that shulk already familiar with rex and xeno2 group
@@kira516 from my recent memories of playing Future Redeemed for the first time. It’s safe to say Shulk and Rex most likely knew of each other before the two worlds even collided. We know Melia and Nia were able to communicate (beginning of XC3 chapter 7 cutscene), and in FR, Shulk and Rex give Matthew the lay down of how the two worlds came to be (after fighting Na’el/Alpha and N). And there’s a particular line from that cutscene that can (kind of imply) that Shulk and Rex would’ve met before, but not yet in person “So we put our heads together, and built something that would let us escape destruction.” And we know it wasn’t just Nia and Melia constructing Origin alone. If they had Tora develop it too, then it’s very most likely that Rex and Shulk would be in the know how, and for all we know, both parties of the two world could’ve met each other over the phone. And also, let’s not forget Shulk was technically progressing through his own story. I can’t say whether time runs differently between Bionis and Alrest, but we know for certain Shulk and Rex defeat their respective villains around the same time. Also there’s some inconsistencies when you look at Shulk and Fiora’s post battle dialogue. Like with Poppi asking Fiora, how can the latter relate to Poppi’s circumstances of a metal body. When we know Both final battles have happened, but Fiora hadn’t had a pure human body until after A fair argument from you tho. Believe me, I thought the same.
Honestly, while it's true that originally the Torna prequel story was supposed to be in between the chapter 7 and 8. However, this may be an unpopular opinion, but I think it was for the best that it didn't go that way. Many foreign characters are introduced here and while it isn't a full scale story base XC2 is, it's still long. I think it would've been a tangent too long for its own good. Yes, it would've helped a lot with understanding Jin, Malos, among other characters, but then... either the backstory wouldn't have been as fleshed out as it is being a DLC, or it would've been something unpleasant to players . Just think about it. Dei completely hated Jin and Torna up to that point, if it was as originally intended, he would've played as a character he doesn't like and it would've feel forced. A comparison is TLOU Par 2, I'm not going to makes spoilers here, just know that the game makes you play on a tangent with a character you most likely don't like up to that point, just like Jin (because being realistic, the majority ranged from not being fond of him to despising him). It's best this way. The dialogue, flashbacks, music, and character interactions are strong enough to at very least make the players interested in knowing more about his past and that's where the Torna DLC shines. So, while I don't support or wish problems and hardships during development, sometimes good things come out of it. In this case, we got a better product and a more fleshed out story thanks to that section of the game being taken out. Clarification. When I say most players do not like Jin up to chapter 6 and 7, I don't mean it as if "this character sucks". I'm pretty sure the consensus is that he's a great villain/antagonist all throughout the game. What I mean is that while most players up to that point like him as a villain and character, he is not liked on an emotional level, and being forced to play as him suddenly, cutting the momentum of the story would've been a huge mistake IMO, just like it happens in TLOU Part 2, that's why I made the comparison.
