EP-079: ADF to Amiga Floppy via Null Modem RS232 Cable and Amiga Explorer

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EDIT: While most of this video remains true, for Amiga Explorer V9, once setup as below, you need to over-write the DF0 in the "Virtual Files" folder on the PC end, with the adf you want to write to disk, at step shown at 18:09. Just copying it onto the DF0 that appears outside of virtual files will NOT work, and results in a message saying the disk is full.
This has been covered here:
• Amiga Explorer V9+ ADF...
Mike from the Perth Amiga User Group requested ths video.
There are plenty of videos out there on this topic, and the Amiga Explorer website and software install does a great job at walking you through the process as you will see.
I have included the setup of getting Amiga Explorer running on the Amiga itself.
If you are using a USB Virtual Com Port Adapter, you will need to install this and it's driver FIRST, and ensure that Amiga Explorer is set to use the new virtual com port number.
Amiga Explorer is available from Cloanto here:
www.amigaforever.com/ (under products)
www.amigaforever.com/ae/
It is included with the Amiga Forever Licence, however use with limited file size is available for free as stated on their website, and in the installation procedure.
Please also note that the version of AExplorer shown here may NOT be the very latest, and the product is in constant development.
You will also need a Null Modem RS232 Cable. I recommend getting one with dual 25 and 9 pin female heads.
If using a modern PC, you will also need a Com to USB adapter. be sure to look for a Windows 10 compatible device. Many are not.
Timecodes:
00:00 Intro
00:34 What you need
*******SETUP *******DO ONCE*********
03:51 Connecting your Amiga to your PC
05:50 Setting up the Amiga Explorer software on PC and Amiga (1 time process)
08:49 Amiga Serial Settings (WB1.2/1.3) (Part of the setup but you will need to use these settings for future sessions if you don't save them).
14:37 Creating an Amiga Explorer Floppy Disk for your Amiga (Do this after your first setup, to negate needing to repeat the setup steps in future).
*******END OF SETUP************
18:09 Writing an ADF from a PC, onto a floppy disk on the Amiga.
22:04 Backing up a floppy disk in the Amiga, into an ADF on the PC. (This will only work for non copy protected disks).

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@005AGIMA 3 года назад

EDIT: While most of this video remains true, for Amiga Explorer V9, once setup as below, you need to over-write the DF0 in the "Virtual Files" folder on the PC end, with the adf you want to write to disk, at step shown at 18:09. Just copying it onto the DF0 that appears outside of virtual files will NOT work, and results in a message saying the disk is full. Mike from the Perth Amiga User Group requested ths video. There are plenty of videos out there on this topic, and the Amiga Explorer website and software install does a great job at walking you through the process as you will see. I have included the setup of getting Amiga Explorer running on the Amiga itself. If you are using a USB Virtual Com Port Adapter, you will need to install this and it's driver FIRST, and ensure that Amiga Explorer is set to use the new virtual com port number. Amiga Explorer is available from Cloanto here: www.amigaforever.com/ (under products) www.amigaforever.com/ae/ It is included with the Amiga Forever Licence, however use with limited file size is available for free as stated on their website, and in the installation procedure. You will also need a Null Modem RS232 Cable. I recommend getting one with dual 25 and 9 pin female heads. If using a modern PC, you will also need a Com to USB adapter. be sure to look for a Windows 10 compatible device. Many are not. Timecodes: 00:00 Intro 00:34 What you need ********SETUP *******DO ONCE********** 03:51 Connecting your Amiga to your PC 05:50 Setting up the Amiga Explorer software on PC and Amiga (1 time process) 08:49 Amiga Serial Settings (WB1.2/1.3) (Part of the setup but you will need to use these settings for future sessions if you don't save them). 14:37 Creating an Amiga Explorer Floppy Disk for your Amiga (Do this after your first setup, to negate needing to repeat the setup steps in future). ********END OF SETUP************* 18:09 Writing an ADF from a PC, onto a floppy disk on the Amiga. 22:04 Backing up a floppy disk in the Amiga, into an ADF on the PC. (This will only work for non copy protected disks).

@EvLloyd 3 года назад

I am so incredibly grateful for my 1200’s pcmcia slot!

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

Lol

@markregan24 6 месяцев назад

A perfect guide, step by step instructions. Best example of real training I've seen in years. Well done. Cheers from Aus.

@005AGIMA 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for the kind words mate :)

@10MARC 3 года назад

Great tutorial. We have needed one for a while!

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

Cheers Doug I really appreciate your input :) Love your work. This video felt a bit rushed and I could have done it better I think if I'd used direct capture, but I'll leave it as it is or things like this never see the light of day. While I have your attention....did you receive my art contest submission mate? Still not got a reply lol ;) :D

@a500 3 года назад

Oh. Learn something new. I had no idea it could do the reverse and create an ADF from real floppy. Admittedly I do have a GOTEK or few but still handy knowledge. Thanks mate. Also really well put together and clear instructions.

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

Wait, I didn't reply to this? I swear I replied lol. Ahead, thanks Rich for the kind words and I'm glad you found it useful.

@mark12358 3 года назад

Your Amiga 500 is gorgeous!

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

Cheers mate. She's a keeper that's for sure. The rumor from the ebay seller was that it was a mature owner in his 80's who'd purchased it as an adult, only used it a couple of times, and then put it all back in the box (Batman Pack). I did pay through the nose for it but zero regrets. It's like owning a brand new one again. I love it. Thanks for watching :)

@ppate8 3 месяца назад

Yeh its very clean and white

@ms-ex8em 7 месяцев назад

your Amiga 500 looks brand new !! wow what a good cool machine it is wow!!!!

@005AGIMA 7 месяцев назад

Thanks mate. Yes I got lucky with this one. Looks brand new inside and out. Fully boxed and complete Batman pack. :)

@hidden_vault 3 года назад

Thankyou tremendously Chris ,i cannot even begin to imagine the huge work put into the creation of this video much appreciated , this tutorial looks very straight forward and clear, I'm actually thinking that the software tutorials were a bonus because here i was thinking trying to be a smart cookie all i needed was right cable and just workbench 😆 that said now i have to decide if i use a old laptop for copying or go Usb route on my Windows 10 laptop, on a side note i much prefer this to cheating with a Gotek lol method myself

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

No worries at all matey :) I'll still be making an external gotek eventually as I think that will make things much easier, but this is a good viable solution in the meantime. My plan is to use an external gotek ONLY to write ADF's to Floppy, by using XCopy.

@notajp 3 года назад

I tried using my Toshiba laptop with Win 10 and a USB- serial adapter. Would NOT work. Tried two different adapters with two different chipsets, and one was the FTDI that was recommended. Even tried two different null-modem cables. First a factory one, then one I built myself using the information on the Amiga Explorer site. Kept getting errors every time it tried to send the AE files to my A500. Finally went to an old Dell laptop running XP that had an actual serial port. Tried again using the factory cable and failed. Finally had success by using my homemade cable, and was able to transfer the AE files over to my Amiga. I would recommend using an older machine with a physical serial port if at all possible.

@vertigoz 3 месяца назад

That's an unusual way to do things! Amazing!!

@2010datalore 2 года назад

Thanks for this vídeo great Channel. Finaly i clean my disk driver and works perfect following your steps. Thanks tanks thanks

@005AGIMA 2 года назад

Fantastic to hear mate. Glad it's all working for you :)

@davidretrogamesplayedbadly3533 3 года назад

Very clever stuff mate 👍

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

Cheers mate. The software really does talk you through it as shown, so I think that's why no one bothered to covered this part of the routine (that I could find).

@tas6967 9 месяцев назад

Using this method I was able to backup my A1200's kick.rom and as well most of my amiga disks to adf.

@005AGIMA 9 месяцев назад

Wow I had no idea you could back up the kick ROMs using this lol. Nice.

@tas6967 9 месяцев назад

@@005AGIMA I did that many years ago and I still do have the AExplorer in my A1200 and it worked then, though the graphics of the explorer back then had more things inside it and so it looked a bit different than in this video and so Im quite sure it will work for all amigas and I think all I did was to drag the kick.rom on my other computers desktop and again it was a very long time ago and I think I did use this method in this video and that is because and again I still do have the AExplorer in my A1200.

@005AGIMA 9 месяцев назад

@@tas6967 I've not used the a1200 version yet.

@bugalol 3 года назад

What a great tutorial! Thank you very much!

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

Thanks for the kind comment comrade. I believe there are some updates to Amiga Explorer so some changes may apply, but the principle should be the same.

@OzRetrocomp 3 года назад

Great video, Chris! I'm umming and ahhing as to whether I replace the floppy drive in my A600 with a modified PC drive or a Gotek. If I decide to go ahead with the former, this will be a huge help.

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

Depends on how you want to operate imho. I love using original media (ask me if that's true still when you watch next weeks video) because it's part of the experience "for me". If you don't need that touchy feely to get your rocks off, then gotek all the way. My prediction is, by the time my drive fails (which it will), I'll be over disk swapping and will run into the arms of the Gotek goddess and never look back. Maybe even before it fails. Maybe tomorrow. who knows.

@OzRetrocomp 3 года назад

@@005AGIMA My A1200 still has a working floppy and I have a working external drive, so I can keep scratching that itch for now.

@painkillergko 2 года назад

Thank you very much! Great movie:).

@005AGIMA 2 года назад

Thanks. Glad it was useful. Note some things have changed in later versions of Amiga Explorer.

@mancavehobbies6213 3 года назад

Awesome Chris

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

Thanks for joining in live mate. Great hearing about your videopac stuff

@runcmd8851 3 года назад

Thanks as i have been meaning to setup this to my amigas to my PC... Would like to use this way instead of the gotek for a bit of a change, great vid

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

Thanks for watching and commenting mate. I think gotek is faster and easier but this is certainly an interesting option. I just like seeing a PC talking to an Amiga I think. It's like a bridge through time, especially if you do it on a modern Windows 10 machine via USB. It's as if the file not only travels over the RS232, but it travels back 30 years into the past. Warm and fuzzy lol.

@runcmd8851 3 года назад

@@005AGIMA deffently mate

@Nadjell 3 года назад

Thanks!

@stick90 2 года назад

CAN I USE THIS, 25 pin female to 9 pin male serial adapter - 25 Way D-Sub to 9 Way Dsub - RS232

@005AGIMA 2 года назад

not really sure but I think I know what you're asking. At the end of the day so long as you have an RS232 (not straight) cable, you can use adapters at either end. Those adapters just need to be a straight mapping from the 9 to 25. I simply looked up the pin out for both DB9 and DB25, and connected the relevant pins. I just found a helpful article here: wiki.amigaos.net/wiki/Advanced_Serial_Debugging_Guide

@tigercatx2969 3 года назад

I have tried this trought a DB25 male to DB25 female cable but apparently my method does not work. Amiga explorer keeps telling me that the setup failed. I have tried to decrease rhe colours, to increase the buffer size but nothing is going to work. Any solution? :(

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

That sounds like the wrong cable. it should be female at both ends. If one end is male, you're plugging it into a parallel port at one end or the other. You need a female to female RS232 cable. The "RS232" is crucial. It's a "null modem". it's tricking the machines into thinking they are "dailed up" via modems. It's not the same as a straight 25 pin extension cable, and that sounds like what you're using.

@tigercatx2969 3 года назад

@@005AGIMA thank you so much

@toxotis70 3 года назад

is there any way to write adf directly on pc with floppy drive ?

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

Not that I'm aware of as all a PC would do is write the file to the disk, not write the "image". However....if you build a Greeseweazle (google it) you can write actual disk images including copy protected disks, using a PC and floppy drive. That is much more valuable for preservation than the ADF format that will only work for cracked or AmigaDOS images. Good luck on your search. :)

@toxotis70 3 года назад

@@005AGIMA i search for it but cant find anything...

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

@@toxotis70 sorry slight typo on my part. It's "greaseweazle". I'm no expert on the subject but it's a project I'll be doing in the future. There is a Facebook group, and this thread is a good place to start: eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=99634

@moskic153 8 месяцев назад

nice i neeed write a wb1.3 disk but i don't have any copy of it

@notajp 3 года назад

I’m having a wierd problem. Every time I try to write an ADF file to disk, it will get down to less than 10 seconds to go and Amiga Explorer pops up a box saying “Operation was cancelled by user”. Have tried with different disks and different files. And no, I’m not doing anything while the file is transferring. Help!

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

Does it say anything about the Disk being full? If you're using the latest version of Amiga Explorer, on the PC end, you need to go into Virtual Disks and drag the ADF into there. If you just drag it on to the DF0 icon in explorer, it tries to copy the adf file onto the Amiga disk, and there is not room because of the AmigaDOS info already on the disk. By going into Virtual Disks first, and then dragging the ADF in, it will overright the entire disk image. That is my only thoughts assuming you've already checked that the baud settings are correct. If that doesn't help, best contact Cloanto for advice. Good luck :)

@notajp 3 года назад

@@005AGIMA No, I’m not getting a Disk Full error. Just says Operation cancelled by user. I’m still not clear on the Virtual Files thing. I did drag the Kickstart ADF into Virtual Files. Don’t really understand what I’m supposed to do with it from there. It does make sense that maybe the file is too big to fit on the disk, as it does get 90% of the way thru the transfer/disk writing process before it fails. Kinda like its running out of space at the very end.

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

@@notajp Ah ok. I've made a quick video to explain Virtual Files and cover a couple of possibilities. Also I find on some games, the Amiga with throw a bad checksome error. Ignore it and CANCEL on the Amiga end and DO NOT use Disk Doctor, and the Game will still boot in the Amiga fine. The reason for the error is, it's a copy protected image with cracktro, and hence NOT an AmigaDOS formatted image even once written. You'll get that LOTS. :) Video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2lwey0ldLDc.html I hope that helps :) If not....go to Cloanto (makers of Amiga Explorer and Amiga Forever). Good luck :)

@notajp 3 года назад

@@005AGIMA Thank you!

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

@@notajp No worries. Let me know if that helps :)

@Snowwie88 10 месяцев назад

5:30 - Plugging in ANY USB cable also always goes with me the wrong way in for like 95% of the time. Maybe it's time that they change the standard USB into the socket type of USB-C, you never have that issue anymore. Fiddling in the dark, at the back of your pc, or on top, below or under your desk...arghh....That USB cable always is orientated the wrong way. 😵‍💫

@005AGIMA 10 месяцев назад

🤣🤣🤣❤️I hear you mate lol

@2010datalore 2 года назад

Great tutorial but i have a problem. :( first all my disc when i try to format on amiga has bad sectors and when i find a working disc i format it and, at the last step when i try to copy Aexplore on the blank disc my amiga 500 says "the disc is not validate" and it does not works. i dont know what can i do :( can you help me?

@005AGIMA 2 года назад

If all discs are showing bad sectors, are they actually working Disks? Worst case you may have an issue with your drive :( Do you have any disks that format on the Amiga with zero bad sectors? And are you formatting them on the Amiga rather than the PC?

@2010datalore 2 года назад

@@005AGIMA I try many disc. All the same problem :( 1 works but, when i try to copy something from the pc, Crash. Today i going to format first on the pc under dos mode and then use on amiga.

@005AGIMA 2 года назад

@@2010datalore so are you trying to copy onto the disk via the RS232 or directly on the Amiga itself?

@005AGIMA 2 года назад

@@2010datalore the disk should be formatted on the Amiga not a PC. Use "initialize" under the drop down after clicking on the blank disk. You'll be prompted to reinsert workbench, then the blank disk again, and then the Amiga will format the disk.

@2010datalore 2 года назад

@@005AGIMA @005 AGIMA I try It but i cant format, i use 15 disk and only 1 complete to 100% but then the message apears disc is not validate 😭

@RenatoIsidio 3 года назад

Hey hi there. Ive bought a USB to DB9 male cable and a DB9 female to DB25 female and I cant make the communication work. Ive set up everything correctly. Could it be the USB? Or the DB9/DB25 conversor? Could it be the amiga serial port? Man its hard! Ive been doing this for several hours, rewatching each step of your video and nothing. I see that even the usb unconnected to the female DB9 it shows the file transfering. =/ I cant see the **BREAK line. I though that the CTRL-C command tha shouldnt be working but the keys are working fine. Please help me! =(

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

Is the DB9 to DB25 a "Null modem" cable? It can't just be a straight cable. It has to be a cross over, that "fools" the computers into thinking they're going via modems. So an RS232 "Null" Modem cable is what you're after. Also sometimes called a "lap link" cable. Also re the USB adapter (it needs to be an active adapter), you will have to install it's correct drivers, AND ensure it is configured as a COM port, and use the COM port number assigned to it when setting up Amiga Explorer.

@RenatoIsidio 3 года назад

@@005AGIMA ummmmmm nice tip. I didnt know that. Actually it looks more an adapter than a cable

@RenatoIsidio 3 года назад

About the usb-db9 cable I thin its correct cuz Ive installed the drivers and it shows as a COM5 port

@RenatoIsidio 3 года назад

I cant find in Brazil a null modem cable or a cross cable. All cables here are shown as db9 printer or extensor.

@RenatoIsidio 3 года назад

Does usb-db9 also needs to be null modem or just one of them?

@ms-ex8em Год назад

There’s an ms dos Amiga emulator released in 1989 that tries to read Amiga discs it’s release 1.2 yep called Amigaem.zip thanks

@spoooooonman 3 года назад

I've seen others say that an Amiga external floppy disk drive is necessary to rip Amiga boot disks using this method but you don't seem to need one...is that the case? Also, it seems like you are just writing to high density floppies, no problem, and not double density floppies like the old Amiga floppies were. Just curious b/c I have a bunch I would love to write ADFs to.

@005AGIMA 3 года назад

I've not used an external drive so can't comment on that. The one I have is dead and will be used to house a gotek eventually. You may be thinking of a greaseweazle? That's the build you'd need to write at the flux level and hence copy disks with copy protection. Re my use of HD disks, yep they work fine. Some people believe that using them in an Amiga will bring about the antichrist and the end of life as we know it. However I believe that in 2021, you're probably not writing anything you care about to a floppy disk, and you'd have it backed up anyway, so if the data doesn't last as long it doesn't matter ;). I do have some NOS DD disks but I'm keeping them for restoration projects and other things. If you have an ESCOM A1200 you may have issues as they modified PC disk drives so it may detect it as a 1.44 disk. I hope all that rambling helps lol

@spoooooonman 3 года назад

@@005AGIMA Totally, thanks so much! Great vid

@retrorobireland Год назад

keep getting - Unable to load RAM:Setup: file is not an object module no matter what settings i try, bought a brand new null cable

@005AGIMA Год назад

hmmm only 3 suggestions: 1) Make sure it is in fact a null modem (RS232) cable, and not just a straight through serial cable. 2) If using a serial to USB adapter, check your settings in windows to make sure it's actually working, and that you have selected the correct COM port. 3) Ask Cloanto as they make the software.

@retrorobireland Год назад

@@005AGIMA thanks for the reply :) cable is fine as i managed to get files over using ADF transfer and transwarp... not as pretty as AE but reliable method....from what read out there, there are some amigas that AE refuses to play ball...