Ep 11 ~ Tantric Shaivism and Buddhism: Interview by Andrew Holecek

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This week’s episode features a conversation with Andrew Holecek for his podcast ‘Edge of Mind’, recorded a few years ago. Andrew is an acclaimed author, spiritual teacher, and long-time practitioner of Buddhism. He's also an expert on lucid dreaming, and the author of Dream Yoga: Illuminating Your Life Through Lucid Dreaming and the Tibetan Yogas of Sleep and Reverse Meditation: How to Use Your Pain and Most Difficult Emotions as the Doorway to Inner Freedom. In this interview, we explore themes from The Recognition Sutras, and discuss the simplicity and immediacy of the awakened state, how to access it and how to stabilize it, as well as what makes it so extraordinary.
Together, we draw the similarities between Tantrik Shaivism and other traditions like Dzogchen. We explore the role of contraction and relaxation on the spiritual path and get into its nature looking into questions like: do we really need a path? How does striving along the path actually get in the way? Why do some people have awakenings that are blissful, while others experience fear upon opening? What is the importance of cultural translation, and how does language trap us? What is the nature of consciousness? This is a wide ranging conversation that I hope will stretch your mind and open your heart.
References:
Andrew Holecek
Podcast: Edge of Mind ► edgeofmindpodcast.com/
Dream Yoga: Illuminating Your Life Through Lucid Dreaming and the Tibetan Yogas of Sleep
► www.amazon.com/Dream-Yoga-Ill...
Reverse Meditation: How to Use Your Pain and Most Difficult Emotions as the Doorway to Inner Freedom
► www.amazon.com/Reverse-Medita...
Article: Purity and Power among the Brāhmans of Kashmir by Alexis Sanderson ►
www.academia.edu/6226248/Puri...
Christopher Wallis on Academia.edu ► berkeley.academia.edu/Christo...
The Recognition Sutras ► www.amazon.com/Recognition-Su...
Spanda-kārikā, The Stanzas on Pulsation
Tantrāloka, Light on the Tantras
Vijñāna-Bhairava-Tantra (VBT), The Scripture of the Bhairava Who is Consciousness
Book: Eben Alexander, Proof of Heaven ► www.amazon.com/Proof-Heaven-N...
People mentioned:
Vesna Wallace
Somadeva Vasudeva
Nina Mirnig
Stuart Hameroff
Anil Seth
Francis Crick
Roger Penrose
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@whiteglassart3694 3 месяца назад

What an age we live in! I listened to this great conversation while driving a 20 tonne truck around the West Country in the UK. Due to my householder status I have duties to undertake to support others, yet through the wonders of technology I am able to fill my work time with podcasts such as this and audio books such as the recognition sutras. Thanks again for another great podcast

@christopherwallis751 3 месяца назад

Great to hear! Love Devon btw

@aquarianwarrior77 Месяц назад

A quick thought re: the “fighting for causes”, at this point in my life I feel like the “actor on the stage” witnessing them and supporting/participating to whatever degree although from a remove based on spiritual shifts as was discussed-seeing a very young person (reminding of the way I was at that age) speaking about a cause that means so much to them does bring a true clear kind of joy, feeling really similar to the joy of The spiritual liberation, just to witness it. Two I remember from recently are a teen girl (taking place in an area of radically intolerant views) commenting on a rainbow pride bracelet I was wearing during pride month once with so much love in her heart and excitement in her eyes at the sight of someone else supporting something evidently very meaningful and powerful for her. Also the young man doing outreach on the street for planned parenthood during the recent anti-abortion lawmaking; after I told him I couldn’t donate but supported his efforts and thanked him, when walking away he calls out “make sure you go to the protests”. In one casual moment on a busy sidewalk I’ll never forget the sincerity and hope in his voice …consciousness expressing itself through politics may have moved on since I have been in the awakened phase, but its like you can feel a really pure love of humanity through the eyes of others while in this state, and like you can view others and their consciousness in a brilliant, fresh new way …being the “actor on the stage” is fun and comes with a lot of responsibility it would even seem to help foster consciousness via your “new” insights

@rahulranjan9013 3 месяца назад

Wow, I'm loving it. The realisation that the the self you thought you were was just a mental construct really feels like a death. It's similar to taking the clothes you wear to be real you & when you got naked you feel terrified about how you can feel like you are dead and at the same time alive. I would like an episode on Matrika ( Language Goddess, if I said it properly) & how language traps you into Duality. I know you have talked about *signifier* and *signified* and how we confuse these two and most suffering is because of that. One really amazing thing I found recently which I think you'll like too is how ACT therapy is based on Relational Frame Theory which basically tells how language binds us by creating chains of meanings & association which causes Human Suffering. I find ACT therapy quite a complementary to non dual teachings.

@davidmickles5012 3 месяца назад

"Relaxation" was a very important principle that only recently (in the last 2 years of 4 decades of practice & study) came to the forefront of my practice. Some teacher at some point mentioned to me that "bodily tension is an indicator of non-enlightenment." I just went right past that teaching without giving it it's due value. Until maybe 2 years ago. I now make good use of noticing and utilizing "relaxation" as a practice - especially relaxing bodily tension, which then (ironically perhaps) then directs the relaxing of the mind (and emotions). I used to "think" relaxing had to happen in my mind before I could relax the body, but I now see that the body has it's own intelligence and this intelligence can be released to help the mind (in its relaxation). Ie, the body can lead the mind. Great discussion once again Hareesh, it's like you give voice to my deepest thoughts 😂🙏❤

@christopherwallis751 3 месяца назад

please consider joining our learning portal at tantrailluminated.org for indepth discussion, satsang, and Q&A !

@TyroneCLove 3 месяца назад

Not the first time I hear it but my understanding is much clearer. Thanks.

@polarisstella 3 месяца назад

thank you!

@Rzevy 3 месяца назад

Hi Chris, thank you for a snippet of wisdom on how to handle intense energy. will give it a try

@Christoth2012 3 месяца назад

Thanks for a very interesting conversation.

@harkcali 3 месяца назад

I loved that bit about the human developing in the womb, just had that insight this week during practice-- thank you🙌🏼as always

@martinspiering5817 3 месяца назад

Great conversation between two of my favourite teachers -- thank you very much. The advice about how to take practice into daily life (or make daily life the practice) at 1:02:20 is pure gold.

@andreasrylander 3 месяца назад

43:30 and onward about consciousness/energy is brillant. That has become almost the entirety of my "practice" lately. Everything is consciousness. All "I" experience is consciousness.

@OfficialGOD 3 месяца назад

15:00 I think this is true for most of us, same.

@OfficialGOD 3 месяца назад

1:15:49 so far and this podcast seems like you are both interviewing each other lol

@OfficialGOD 3 месяца назад

1:24:14 oh wow that's perfect

@moesypittounikos 2 месяца назад

Two of my favorite authors

@OfficialGOD 3 месяца назад

wow your podcasts are getting better and better ❤

@lindaveijola7012 3 месяца назад

I liked the conversation.

@andreasrylander 3 месяца назад

Supreme episode indeed.

@Babassecretchannel 3 месяца назад

Video more interesting 👍

@johnzutic561 3 месяца назад

Enjoying the podcasts, Hareesh. Could be nice to have them timestamped as well, but it's more work, I know.

@stanilindbeck2180 3 месяца назад

❤❤❤

@bigislandmonero2122 2 месяца назад

Just because you both personally don't experience permanent bliss doesn't mean it's not possible. Saccidananda, bliss consciousness is truly the natural state of being. It is the ground of reality.

@christopherwallis751 2 месяца назад

Are you speaking from your direct experience?

@bigislandmonero2122 2 месяца назад

@@christopherwallis751 Yes, speaking from direct experience, many on AYP have the same experience as well as others in tantra related traditions such as kriya.

@bigislandmonero2122 2 месяца назад

@@christopherwallis751 Have you ever thought about reading some of the yoga upanishads? I'd highly recommend at least the Yogashikha Upanishad (100BCE-300CE. Many of the concepts and practices in there predate and influence Trika Shaivism.

@christopherwallis751 2 месяца назад

@@bigislandmonero2122 it's actually the other way around. Scholars have established that the yoga upanishads are late medieval texts.

@christopherwallis751 2 месяца назад

@@bigislandmonero2122 so you're saying that you experience permanent non-stop blissfulness?

@shwetasinghnm 3 месяца назад

Also, no, oneness and enlightenment is not available to everybody at all times by merely being a shift in perspective. It isnt a mental or intellectual activity like that where thinking about something differently gives a different experience. It is a process of shedding one's identity, moving in time, peeling off the layers of ahamkara one by one. Which is in itself a very painful and difficult process and rarely instantaneous. The ones for whom it is instantaneous have been in the process across lifetimes, they are so evolved that it took them a push or a nudge this time. A process of evolution across space- time spanning liftimes. Tantra and mantra are the process of this shedding and purifying of the identity to wither it away so much that one day the true self is experienced as a merging into God. An emotional, mental and emobdied process where even the body is purified where it can hold the states of merger with God. This takes time and relentless sadhana. It is not available for everybody at all times, no. That is a frustrating idea for a true knower of tantra and the divine.

@christopherwallis751 3 месяца назад

"It is a process of shedding one's identity, peeling off the layers of ahamkara one by one . . . It isn't a mental or intellectual activity." -- absolutely agree. this is exactly what I teach, in fact. (You might have gotten the wrong idea of my view from this one conversation.) What is "available for everybody at all times" is simply the beginning of the process, the initial shift that can get the ball rolling. But liberation is a challenging and even arduous process that most will avoid if they can. Still, the fact remains that anyone passionate enough about liberation can be liberated in this life.

@shwetasinghnm 3 месяца назад

@@christopherwallis751 I have to apologize, I was impulsive in my comments. I am so hungry for knowledge about Tantra in English because of the deep cultural deracination my whole generation has faced . I don't know how to read Hindi well , let alone Sanskrit. So I crave for knowledge in English and naturally gravitate towards channels like yours. And then encounter too much abstraction and feel disappointed. I know you are not those advaita - vedantin , non dual types who say " you are already enlightened, there is nothing to be done " . You are serious Tantra scholars. It was a great conversation, but I felt lacked the embodied aspects of tantra. It was an enjoyable conversation, thankyou

@christopherwallis751 3 месяца назад

@@shwetasinghnm there's another episode of the podcast that discusses the centrality of embodiment, the one with Michael Taft.