Episode 19 (August 14, 2023), "I'll make you a STAR!" with David A. Burnett 

Great Episode! David is an amazing guest. I would still like to encurage Dan to interrupt those nerds even more often to explain stuff that is just obvious to them, but not us, or even read out bible passages (earlier).

DB I’m so glad you ask for meanings of words I can’t possible understand. It’s so NORMAL for the Scholars, they forget it has NO meaning to the listener. That’s how my interest fades, feeling excluded with words from the club. Thanks Dans, LUV you two. 🎉 ❤

This is one of the best episodes so far

When I first heard Pete Enns describe monolatry, as opposed to monotheism and/or pagan idolatry, it was a mind-bending game changer. The idea that the Hebrews accepted that all the gods exist, but were accountable to their god, was such a helpful construct that made sense of all the supposedly conflicting biblical accounts - the conflict is with our impositions on their world, not their world. Thanks for fleshing out this concept so well.

What a great episode! There is supporting evidence for the idea of resurrected people being like stellar bodies: Daniel 12:3 - "והמשכלים יזהרו כזהר הרקיע ומצדיקי הרבים ככוכבים לעולם ועד" (and the insightful ones will shine like the shinies of the sky, and those who turn many to righteousness/justice like the stars forever and ever."

I love David's enthusiasm.

I'm a month late to the comments, but this episode was absolutely mind-blowing. Thank you #davidburnett. And thanks to the Dans for having you on.

Thank you for another great episode!

Great Discussion❤

Absolutely fantastic diacussion! I do ablot of reading about Origen and this makes his theoriea about the life of the stars and Theosis at thw resurreftion make so much more sense.

I found the Fredriksen paper. That's a keeper!

My favorite episode so far!

At least you left my Seahawks out of it!

Very interesting episode. One of my favorites so far

Very good episode

I think this also helps explain the temptation story and why the last temptation was about inheritance.

WOW

Does anyone have information about where to find new updates to bible scholarship? I'm a hobbyist and don't have any sort of university experience in the field.

Makes perfect sense, the bible talks about several gods, not a one and only schizophrenic loving revengeful ONE

Impressed with David's insights. When will David Burnett publish his dissertation?

The Broncos of Denver? What are these horse gods you speak of😂. Didn't they use to pray to the Cowboys of Dallas? Did they not challenge their gods and were defeated during the age of old, just after the great flood?

How the define reality in the new age of quantum physics? If you can eat chicken it's real.😂

The concept of many gods seemed to be adopted by the Catholic church with their saints. They are prayed to and shrines are built to

And that’s why Ostara could very well have been used by some during passover

Did this conference occur? Where do I watch it?

Go Da Bears!

I loved the episode and have really been enjoying the podcast. I have a question though, if and when the Bible contradicts itself, how do we try to learn from it?

Judges is even more explicit that that. Beth Anath. The secondJudge, Shamgar of Anath. This is not Yahweh's judge. Moreover the song of Deborah was probably calling the names of different gods, but it was later morphed into Yahu, Yahu (Ia, Ea) and later changed again. There is no way to study Judges and not have it completely emmersed in a polytheistic world.

"Arise oh god", in Hebrew its Elohim (plural). Very context dependent. Elohim could mean one of the council, or the council itself, or in hebrew literature just the Yahweh god. You cannot talk about the council rising up , either as a member thereof or the entire council without a context of a council. So if this is meant to be man, not gods, then what is the council, and if its the dead, are they a council in sheol?

The reason Jesus is immediately divine is explained by Carrier in "On the Historicity of Jesus". Jesus started out divine and became human, not the other way around.

Interesting. So I guess Pinocchio got it right. :)

So much truth and insight here but missing the appropriate meaning of “creation” and the animals and gods etc. The creation is of the covenant world, not the material world. The sun, moon and stars are the people who have the power and authority, and “heaven” is the position of power and a “god” is a ruler. The covenant creation is the creation of the political and social world. This creation is centred on the covenant people, the covenant man. This covenant creation is passed down to Israel. Israel is the heaven and the earth and her priests and authorities are her sun, moon and stars that govern light to the covenant land. But that world, that creation, and its light-giving bodies in its heaven was to be destroyed and replaced with the new heaven and the new earth. The new covenant world, the new creation. That new creation is what we see in Revelation 21-22 when there is no more summer and winter, no more sun, moon and stars, no more sea, no night, when the tree of life gives its fruits 12 months a year. The Lord taught that the sun, moon and stars would fall from heaven and be destroyed at the fall of Israel, at the fall of the Second Temple, in his own generation. That would be the passing away of the old heaven and the old earth. That would be the end, that is the end of the old age of Moses and the Law, the old age of Adam, the man of dust. The world of flesh and blood, that will not inherit the kingdom of God. Paul is teaching the same thing in 1 Cor. 15. The glory of the old covenant world would be surpassed by the glory of the new covenant world. The rulers of the old world of Israel would be totally shattered, as Dan. 12 states, when the Abomination of Desolation is set up in the Second Temple when its sacrifices are stopped. That is when the righteous rise as stars, when the wicked who controlled Israel by rebellion are destroyed along with the power of the holy people.

Have we figured out how professional theater will work if we do that… well we know that if they don’t get tortured to create craft that they don’t need to make new art for therapy… well… ok but what kind of material are they drawing from to make art? We maybe we will see if that - internal only * Octavia of Trecrew certifies this message is ‘divinely and scientifically 😂 uninspiring!’

This narrative is similar to Joseph Smith's later 'prophecy'. It claimed that God said for mens' salvation, men needed to marry more than two wives. And if they do, they will become gods themselves in the afterlife, ruling over planets. If they didn't, they would have little power. Scholars believe Joseph concocted this up so his wife, Emma, would accept him beconing a biganist.

Some in the evangelical Christian community are not going to want to completely give up their faith in God and Jesus Christ. With Dan’s work and others’-relating to biblical inerrancy, diversity of voices in the Bible about all sorts of different issues, like there being many gods, definition of marriage-those evangelicals are probably going to be attracted to some form of Mormonism

First comment???

Another term for this event: the Rapture? 😂

Why the refusal to use the name "Yahweh" ? No disrespect but it reminds me of "He who shall not be named " in Harry Potter.