Episode 209: Where does Tua rank in NFL QB hierarchy? 

I am a fan of the episode history lesson. Please keep doing them.

Agree 💯 with Poup that Campbell should have kicked the field goal to go back up by 17 points. That one call changed momentum. From being down two scores instead of three scores mid 3rd quarter is huge.

Brock Purdy closed all narratives after that game yesterday...made great plays in the most important moments under pressure playing from behind when the lights are the brightest

Alain Poupart's Tier 1 Quarterbacks (26:17) (not in order within tiers) Tier 1: Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert, Matthew Stafford Tier 1 1/2: CJ Stroud, Jordan Love, Brock Purdy Tier 2: Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins, Jalen Hurts, DeShaun Watson, Jared Goff, Baker Mayfield, Tua Tagovailoa, Derek Carr Tier 3: Russell Wilson, Sam Howell, Justin Fields, Kyler Murray, Geno Smith Tier 4: Mac Jones, Kenny Pickett, Aiden O'Connell, Daniel Jones, Desmond Riddler Incomplete: Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Will Levis I have some strong disagreements here. Lawrence & Herbert is belief at this point. The talent is there. We haven't seen it yet though come all together and produce meaningful wins. Putting them in that same echelon as Mahomes/Allen/Lamar/Burrow feels wildly disrespectful. I get the tier 1 1/2. The little we've seen has been VERY good but far too hasty to put them in Tier 1. They haven't shown any of the limitations many of the Tier 2 QBs have shown. I disagree with Baker ahead of Tua. I think Carr is comfortably Tier 3 at this point. Look at how Saints fans were fed up with him by the end of the year. Feels like his reputation hasn't caught up with him yet. I also find Geno & Kyler Murray to be underrated. Geno's done well in Seattle and while he's not a stud, he's better than a washed Wilson unquestionably. Kyler also has shown moments of pure magic. The doubts with him are obvious though as his small statue makes him fragile to injury. I'd personally go with the following.... The Undisputed Best: Patrick Mahomes Tier 1 QBs: Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Aaron Rodgers High Ceiling QBs Still ???'s: CJ Stroud, Jordan Love, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence Tier 2: Matthew Stafford, Dak Prescott, Brock Purdy, Kirk Cousins, Tua Tagovailoa, Kyler Murray, Geno Smith, Jalen Hurts, Jared Goff, Baker Mayfield Tier 3: DeShaun Watson, Derek Carr, Russell Wilson, Justin Fields, Will Levis Future Backups: Mac Jones, Sam Howell, Kenny Pickett, Daniel Jones, etc... Too Early: Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson

Great show like always gentlemen thanks for the great content always

It's so hard to find information on past seasons. These 2000s seasons with parcells and spurrano deserve a whole podcast

Look forward to these podcasts every day !!

Now we’re talking. That’s probably the most accurate assessment I’ve heard of Tua yet. He’s just good to pretty good.

Love the Dolphins History lessons to start. A nice walk down memory lane.

I LOVE the HISTORY lesson!!!

Tua is one of the best qb last season against the blitz. It's the un expected pressure that gets him. Fix this oline and you got yourself a superbowl caliber player

Skylar Thompson first playoff game 🧔🏻👍 Tua first playoff game 🧔🏾👎

Tua didn`t give up 15 points to Tenn. with less than 3 min. left in the game, so if we win 12 games and win the AFC east is your opinion different? Lets be honest, our injuries were worse than the top playoff teams, that and the bounce of the ball, we have no control.

Just started. Haven’t heard a word. Judging from the title. Good luck Omar.

I wish, I could have found an article by Poupart, when I kept saying, the Dolphins should not pay Tannehill (2015). I got all kinds of hate on various Dolphins facebook groups. I, actually, wanted to trade Tannehill, prior to his rookie contract expiring . I never seen, what others, claimed to have seen. He was never going to take this team to the Super Bowl. Regardless, if he even had a better team around him. It was always others, who played just a little better. (A case of, this is why you have your Oline & defense set, then you get your Quarterback).

Even a mid NFL quarterback should be able to reset the pocket once in a while. The great ones do it all day

Notice Poup loves the handsome QB's, the dreamy prototypes

Good Afternoon Phinz Up

I take issue with using "4th qtr metrics" when assessing individual play. Bruh, how well did the team perform as a whole?

Any fan of this team loves Wilkins, but from a team building perspective, I don't see how we can justify paying 2 DT's $30 million a year when we're already paying Chubb, Ramsey, Armstead, and Tyreek top of the market money for their positions. Now, if you add all the free agents on this team, the players we're going to need just to fill the roster, the upcoming decisions, and the holes of the team, I don't see how it makes financial sense to keep Wilkins. It's easy for us to say "he needs to get paid" but realistically it's either sign Wilkins or fill multiple other holes on your roster. NFL owners meeting is on Orlando in March. I totally agree with Poupart, the 1st fg Campbell didn't attempt was borderline negligent, you go up by 3 scores there and who knows how the game turns out. The momentum changed full swing after that failed 4th down. Baker has taken 2 different teams to the divisional rd of the playoffs. Baker while not being the most accurate or talented, has some moxie and great intangibles that prop up his value. Daniel Jones didn't get his 5th year option picked up by the Giants and they just came off a playoff win and chose to extend Jones and franchise tag Barkley. While I don't agree with extending Jones, the Giants were in a weird situation where they had to choose to tag or extend 1 of those guys. They shoulda extended Barkley, but they had to make a decision.

Finally...!!! Hell yall been all day??? 😂

Let’s keep the history going !!

Not following Shula Doctrine (always take points) cost the Lions that game and is paramount to coaching negligence ...If it wasn't that he is a first timer and that they appreciate how far he's taken them....would be a fireable offense IMO

Omar speaking truth of Grier!

Love you guys.. The best Dilphins content with my boy TD.

Thanks guys c you tomorrow 😅

I know it’s the All Dolphins Podcast but it’s also football so I like it that you include non-Dolphins talk in your broadcasts. Keep it up 👍!

Actually agree with that. 16. I was thinking the top of my head around 1314 but we're all around the same area but if that's the case you really need to look for another quarterback. I know there's nothing out there but we really need to shoot for a top five and not be content with a middle of the road or slightly better than average

Greg Jennings is tight on. I respect successful NFL player evaluations. Tua will not start for Miami within 1.5 years from today as he will be hurt as I said on draft day when Grier drabk the wrong Kool Aid yet again. I have it in writing orior to the draft “take Herbert 13 seasons 324 TDs HOF, Tua 5.5 years 86 Tds, if forced to draft from Bama take Hurts even in rd 1 as he is better than Tua” . Ridiculed then but I am right now!

Leslie Frazier. Get it done

Tua is tier 2 all the way top 15 but if he gets clutch he could be top 5-10. He needs clutch gene which he hasnt shown in the nfl, but did in college. His arm is honestly strong enough to hit every deep ball we need in reality. I didnt see him miss deep balls, even if they were open. I saw many “big arm" qbs miss deep shots

The GM should have been changed 10 yrs ago.

I can't for the life of me understand why Omar bashed staying with Tannekill for 7 years but more than willing to stay 7 with Tua. Critique Herbert for what has he done & being right but the same can be said about Tua. Ask yourself, what has Tua done to say he deserves another 3 years even with an out afterwards? The playoffs prove every year how far this franchise is from where it needs to be at the QB position.

I like Wilkins but we can make several upgrades in the roster and get another player to replace him that granted will not be as good but won't probably be a huge drop off either. I rather have a better well-rounded roster with depth then they have one really good player.

Question?: 1)What if we clean house by hiring PeteCarroll as GM and Headcoach. 2)Would you try to draft CalebWilliams, and could we move up to make that draft.

Tua DOES NOTHING TO ELEVATE THE PLAY OF OTHERS AROUND HIM. He doesn't have the athletic abilities to win a busted play much less take over a drive or takeover a 4th quarter! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I love Ricky Williams. The organization should give him love.

Omar, Lawrence is 100% better of an athlete than Tua. Yes he also has a much better arm but let's not pretend Tua is going to elevate with his athleticism or arm.

Don't shake your head 😂❤

I love these guys. But Omar sometimes has a weird take on things.I am not sure why he has them but it's entertaining.And Tua has done nothing to say he will get better to the point we need.This belief is hope at best .And I'm sorry as Omar would say doesn't it bother you that if Tua hits the open market there would be a short line if any, say it all? I guarantee you if Herbert hit the open Market the line would be around the block!

To be fair i was huge on Lawrence, i was hoping miami traded that 5th pick used on Tua for more capital and sucked to get Lawrence the following season and hunkered the oline. T Law was the best HS prospect since like Andrew Luck. But i can say something about his NFL game doesnt look the same as his college and HS game. But its still the prototypical QB build. Basically Herbert 2.0.

Baker over Tua Alain? Hmm. How many seasons did it take for Baker to "ball out". More than 4!

Poupart: Aiden O'Connell is tier 4?

Rogers last year with GB he put up the same numbers as tua that year and tua missed 5 games.

Will there be any veteran defensive coordinators available after the Super Bowl? or currently. I get the narrative that Ross wants unproven coaches but I wish they'd consider someone with more experience again like Fangio.

Take the hat off Poupart!! Show off that fresh cut!

Omar, How was Tua's arm against KC in our playoff game???

The more I watch this podcast the more I legitimately question how Poupart is able to have a job

11:06 well, Fangio was not young, and from the looks of it, wasn't skipping any meals.

Need to ask Tyrek if he misses KC yet? We already know the answer... MaHomes or back up Tua? 2 SBs, without Tyrek

We will win a super bowl 🏆 again someday, once we get a franchise quarterback first tho 🗑🥋🧔🏾🚫🐬🆙️

No u don’t offer him anything Omar. U let him play on his 5th yr option

Darren Rizzi? For DC

Poupart aint wrong. Tua is around 20 in the league. Any competent QB could run this 🤡offense and put up fantasy numbers #bebetter #dobetter

People may not believe me but, I will stand on the belief that Sean Payton would sell the farm to get Tua. When he first went on Cowherds show and criticized Tua, he hadn’t actually watched and paid attention to Tua up to then, because he wasn’t coaching anymore. And that same week he criticized Tua, he watched him go out and have a phenomenal game, playing just like a left handed Drew Brees, against Baltimore and mounted 4th quarter comeback for the history books. And I challenge anyone on this earth to find a single video or article that has Sean Payton being critical of Tua since then. Even when he made his appearance on Cowherd’s show the following week, he went out of his way to avoid saying anything less than positive about Tua. And then he got to see Tua absolutely ball out on his Broncos earlier this season, and he never had a negative word to say about Tua the whole time. Trust me. Sean would give you Russel Wilson as a parting gift and pay his contract for you for the first 2 years. He knows exactly what his offense can be with a guy like Tua.

I'M WITH ALAIN .. TUA MID LEVEL RIGHT NOW

Dante Culpeper had a much stronger arm than Drew Brees. Chad Henne stronger than Chad Pennington. Arm strength is overrated. I want an accurate smart QB with moxie

There are so many times watching top tier QBs make plays (with their arm or their legs) where I think to myself "Tua could never make that play". Seems like a nice guy and I'm rooting for him but he's just not the dude to lead the Fins to a championship. That said I put much more blame for the Fins playoff drought on Grier's poor drafting/decision making rather than any of the players. As great as Mahomes is, I'd actually rather have the Chief's GM at this point, if given the choice.

TREVOR OVER TUA ?? that's nuts ... but ok ...sooo ALAN , who would you want other then Tua ??? who ??

Lawrence has NOT fulfilled his promise. Burrow can’t stay healthy. That axiom about availability. Tua was killed for the same thing.

What has Justin Herbert done to be a tier 1 QB? And how is he better than Tua?

So let me see if I get this straight.... Wins and losses don't count. Passer rating doesn't count. Passing yards and completion % apparently don't count either because those are also things Tua excels in. So what is the criteria, Poup? 6'5, 230 with a howitzer for an arm? That's it?? I swear this fan base (and Poup) act like 1995 WASN'T the last time a Dolphins QB made the damn Pro Bowl! Some of y'all weren't even alive in 1995! As a matter of fact, there's an entire generation of Dolphins fans who have NEVER seen a Dolphins QB make the Pro Bowl until Tua showed up, and now we're going to run his ass out of town?! Why? Cuz he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet?? Or a playoff game yet?? Last I checked you have to actually MAKE the playoffs BEFORE you can win one. And the ONLY way to make it into the playoffs is by WINNING enough games in the regular season. We'll, last I checked Tua is 34-19 as a starter (64%), including never having a losing season and consecutive playoff appearances in the last 2 years, not to mention all of the #'s he's put up. But let's get rid of him. Yeah. That's smart. Smdh.

In defense of Tua, while he does not have the physical skills of some of the top tier athletic quarterbacks, I would 2nd guess the play selection, lack of in-game adjustments, hot routes and predictability on offense than Tongi’s ability to be clutch. He has the moxie. And can throw the deep ball As good as anyone. The quick passing game was partly to mask the O-line deficiencies. And there was no time to make play call Adjustments against higher caliber defenses

Wow Omar is really talking coherent today 😊

I would totally go Mayfield as well. He's a lot better than Tua. He's got moxie. Tua has the choke gene.

Poup really is an arm queen😂😂😂

Poop insisting you don’t pay Tua is comical…only because damn near every Tier Ii QB he named has gotten a long term deal, but for some reason Tua should be the exception.

If You want to avoid doubling down on poor “4th and go for it” decision s, do NOT HIRE Staley. He’s all about analytics.

What about the ravens game in 22 didn't he come back and win that game

DEAD LAST 💀

Lamar is the Joel Embid of the NFL - will always watch the championship from a vacation spot

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Ross never hired a guy that was a Head Coach before because he wants to control the coach. He doesn't want a guy like Parcells that he's afraid of in the hallway. See Brian Flores. McDaniel has gone out of his way a few times saying how great of am owmer steve ross is in press conferences. Not a coincidence

You really think McDaniel is picking the DC.. Leslie Frazier

Are we really going to try and argue that a QB can win the passing title in the NFL and not at least be in the top half of the league? Has that ever happened in the history of the NFL?

Omar... Chill...

Hes somewhere around top 8-12 which is an improvement on the last couple years. I think he could reach top 6 ish with better situational play down the stretch next season/

America is built of inheritance you rarely get a shot like these coaches get because there uncle or dad was in coaching for so long man you here some of the same names over the pass 50 years for coaching gigs that’s why all the rules change so that minorities can get a chance at coaching

These Dolphins players complain about Vic Fangio can you imagine Bill Parcells was their coach?

Trevor Lawrence ??🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂

Give Tua that O line Purdy, and Lamar has and let see what happens

Man Im not a fan of Tua but wow being treated like he table scraps lol..

What no talk about how Lamar crapped the bed.

On the wrong side guy's 😮

Actually convinced Poup doesnt watch the games where Lawrence and Herbert play and bases his judgement purely off highlight reels lmao. Putting Lawrence and Herbert in the same tier as Mahomes honestly strips him of almost 100% of his credibility hes built over the last year for me lol.

The list is ok baker Mayfield and purdy off this season should be in the top ten Herbert and Rodgers should not . I think tua should be around 10

Tua stops croaking/choking in the big moments and he can’t be on someone’s list…….Lamar Jackson is a croaker/choker too. You are what your record is…….

A really pathetic organization under the Ross ownership. 8 HC's (including interims) and 4 GM's? All novices that failed?

I want to put any QB behind our o line that allowed pressure up the middle and rarely did the D have to send extra players to get pressure. Lamar missed a ton of long throws and his accuracy isn't great but he can scramble . Tua didn't scramble alot and I have a feeling it was because the coaches didn't want him to. Lamar already had a knee injury last year how many more scrambles before the next. He chokes under pressure and had chances to carry the team and threw int.

Lawerence has all the tools but to give him elite status? Why..... What has he done..... hasn't been good last year and most of the year before that. poup I'm not co-signing that AT ALL.

Poupart, its okay to be an arm queen😂 all good tho

Brock Purdy ahead of Tua? Don't see it.

Tua ranks right around 9 or 10.

Poop is really starting to lose me Trevor Lawrence gets excuses injuries and then he also goes on to say when things get settled down around him he will ball out but he talks about Tua not being good because he needs things settled around him talks out both sides of his mouth

Poupart why are you so ashamed to say that you like a big arm QB? 😂😂😂 Omar gets under your skin too easily with that one

I can argue with it. You give tua a good team around him in December and in the playoffs and see how good he can do. Debate hurts is not better than tua.only good thing with hurt is he can run.😊😊

Tua shouldn't be below Justin Herbert or Trevor Lawrence on on any list. Joe Burrow, Tua and Justin Herbert drafted in the same year and Tua had the most DUBS of the three. I don't care about the records of teams beaten. Irrelevant in the NFL. This isn't the joke that is college football where teams are selectively minimized. All DUBS in the NFL are created equal. My criteria for QBs is DUBS and Tua is 34-19, Joe Burrow 29-22 and Justin Herbert 30-32. Below 500 at 62 Mill/yr. Tua being 2nd tier on any list is DISRESPECTFUL. And Mike McDaniel please please please DO NOT listen to Poupart. Please continue to go for the GUSTO. Actually, you don't go enough. Please no more 5 gg games. Please Go for it more. Go Go Go! I wish Mike McFaniel coached exactly like Dan Campbell and called plays exactly like Ben Johnson. Get that conservative mess out of here.

Lamar is never going to the Superbowl either,why isn't he listed as not having it, because he doesn't have it.2+4 in the playoffs speaks volumes

May I present to you a drafting analysis of every team from 2012 onwards. Which, coincidentally, is when Omar states Chris Grier took over drafting. Dolphins being one of the few teams over that time to get better than expected returns from their draft picks. This notion that Chris Grier is a particularly bad drafter seems to come from a narrow team specific POV versus a birds eye view of the whole league. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-w649VE3ZCcQ.html

Funny how travel aren't you gets a pass? And he should make all this money and tuas done better than he's done