Epson Home Cinema LS11000 / LS12000 Review 

Facts💯❗️ Great comment bro! I’m going to get me one of these

What screen are you using?

Is that your main display? My theater is in my guest house and I still have a Epson HC 8100 from 2009, lol. Yes, it needs an upgrade but I'm only on the 2nd bulb after all these years. The 5050 must be an amazing workhorse projector, wow. For my setup I think the LS12000 would be fine though and would likely be the last projector for my theater I'd have to buy.

The older 1080p DLP's and some more recent ones like the HT2060 are actually more like 1500-2000:1. A lot of the longer throw 4K DLP shifters are in the 500-600:1 range though, but an iris saves some like the BenQ HT3550 or HT5550. There are some that measure higher with no dynamic contrast like the Vivitek HK2288 (2000:1) and HK2200 (1600:1), but they are certainly the exception. The JmGO Ultra also measures about 1600:1 but it is missing any kind of optical zoom or lens shift. I'm not sure about the LS12000 but my 6050UB can measure close to 10:000:1 on the most aggressive iris setting and even higher on the auto iris (which I do not use).

Native as in native resolution. There are very few 4k projectors that use a native 4k chip and the ones that do are all high end units.

This is incorrect, both projectorcentral, avs and other reliable sources measured the ls12000 at 6000:1 to 9000:1 depending on the throw ratio. The black floor is similar to the 5050ub, but the intrascene contrast is way better. The ls11000 is a downgrade in everyway but resolution imo to the 5050ub. I'm not even sure how Chris got such good results on screen, it measures badly, worse blacks, worse contrast, better lumens I guess.

yep im 100% dumping epson for this, their chip technically supports it but basically they cator to simps

​@@djfirestormx "Simps?" "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Of course, I understood what you meant. 😂

ME TOO. I'VE BEEN GLUED TO RU-vid WAITING FOR THIS

I have the same question! Yes after around 20000hr you need to replace the projector, the lazer is not replaceable. But even if you replace the projector after 5 years it’s not that bad because you do not have to buy a lamp every year (2000$ for 5 lamps) and the luminosity is always perfect. So I will go for the LS110000 or LS12000 but I waiting for a price drop! If I can get it at around 4000$can for the LS11000 or 5000$can for the LS12000

@@michel2641234 wow…that’s a lot of money for lamps. In the last 5 years I’ve replaced the lamp 4 times on my epson 5040ub. I pay $140 per lamp at pureland supply. I have two saved calibration settings. New bulb and half life. Gods honest truth I don’t noticed the difference once I switch to the half life calibration. I switch between 2,000 and 2,500. I use my projector like it’s a tv. $140 every year is around .38 cents per day. I think I’m upgrading to the 5050ub.

One word horrible

That would get my attention too!👍

all of them are much better compared to UHD 55

@@georgepopescu1327 @Chris Majestic I understand that the LS 11000 is a higher tier product ( the Linus review a while back made it look amazing ) but the price is more than double the cost of the UHD 55 ( regular price $ 1799 ) . (this weekend it is on sale for $1199). Is it really twice the performance, 50% more ect. Chris does such great reviews but I would like see a different type of video where he talks more about the actual cost to performance metrics, is it really worth it. I personally had one that I bought for a previous sale price of $1499. I had to replace 2 separate UHD 60 units that one had a faulty hdmi port and the other developed dead pixels and started to flash intermittently. These two units were my first non extended warrantee systems and I learned my lesson. So now I only buy from sources with reputable warrantee programs that last 4-5 years. It seems like if I have a problem it is always right after the manufacture warranty expires at 2000 hrs. Any way I feel the HDR movie experience and gaming experience on the UHD 55 are amazing at those sale prices. The learning curve comes in at understanding which HDMI port supports what type of features ( side note read the manual ). However I do wonder if the $3000 tier group projectors like the UHZ45 and or UHZ 50 are much more impressive. The only benefit I see in reviews is that laser light projectors do not suffer from the bulbs output dropping over time.

Just in case someone sees this and is wondering the same thing. 2k for a 5050ub is not a good price. In europe you can still get tw-9400 which is the 6050ub, new, with warranty for 1800€. So second hand, maybe 1200-1500? I still think it's a great projector and beats everything up until the 5k price point. One thing people don't often realize because they come from tvs is that Clarity is not just resolution. Contrast increases the perceived resolution or sharpness of an image. So it doesn't matter if a projector is 4k when the 5050ub with 3x pixelshift has 10x more contrast in that pricepoint right? The difference for the ls11000 is don't even bother, its a downgrade. For the ls12000 you get a bump in resolution which is noticeable, better intrascene contrast, and way more lumens to work with. If you can't go for the ls12000, sony or jvc, the 5050/6050ub are still the best bang for buck rn.

The LS11000 iis the replacement for the 4000 series, the LS12000 is the replacement for the 50/6050ub.

1. These are two completely different technologies. 3LCS technology is basically specific to Epson and it’s the system they use to display the image which is used in conjunction with a lighting source. So 3LCD projectors can use a basic lamp, LED, or lasers. Other UST projectors use a DLP system as opposed to 3LCD. I did a video about this some time ago. Here’s a link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HfZmStDoY2I.html 2. Yes an anamorphic lens can be used with Epson projectors and would accomplish what you want. 3. Yeah the lack of 3D is a bummer.

@@ChrisMajestic Thank you Chris!

@@brucesmith1754 I don't think you got a full answer to your question number 2. What you saw in the demostration was the use of "Lens Memory", that is not exclusive to Epson! It is meant for those with an 21:9 screen. What it is doing is essentially just zooming the picture, so the black bars are showed outside the actual screen, which you manually can do on any projector by using the zoom or physically moving the projector further away. Here it is done just by pushing a button, thats why it is called: "Lens Memory"! What you will acheive, when using an anamorphic lens, is a brighter and better picture, because you are able to use all the projectors available pixels instead of just cutting them off by not showing the black bars on the screen...

Epson doesn’t release flagship projectors all that frequently

@@ChrisMajestic so worth to buy the ls12000? or if i cn get the sony 5000 model at $1000 less than the ls12000 is that better deal?

Because that would of probably added $40 to $50 extra dollars for the chip to the total price. STUPID Epson. All the Avatar movies alone are still going to be in 3d so it's not dead. Look at all the commenters here who are going away from Epson just on account of this issue.

I don't know what a 3D matrix costs on a video projector, but one of the reasons why 3D TV screens were abandoned was that they were much more expensive to manufacture. I have a 3D video projector and I haven't watched any 3D films for almost two years now, because I'm fed up with losing the brightness and contrast destroyed by 3D glasses. Frankly, you shouldn't deprive yourself of buying a high-performance projector just for one or two interesting 3D films a year. Apart from 3D fans, this is now a secondary criterion in the purchase of a good video projector. 😉

The LS12000 is definitely more expensive than the LS11000 😂

I love 3D too, but we'll have to forget those glasses that destroy brightness and contrast. 😉

Well the Sony is a "Native" projector and this one is not but I have seen others do a comparison and I have seen them both in person what I can say is that the Sony IMO is sharper and has a bit better blacks but the Epson has better colors and is brighter. I am a 4k snob but I like the Epson with the lens memory and the price is a lot better then 12K for the Sony with lens Memory. Epson also has a lower fan noise then Sony and more flexible placement. I am leaning towards the Epson to be honest.

It does run slightly cooler and quieter yes

They came out last year. Pretty much every projector under $10,000 uses pixel shifting. It’s not fake 4k since it meets the standards for 4k certification. The true native 4k non-pixel shifting projectors are slightly sharper though.

@@ChrisMajestic I'm pretty sure Sony XW5000 and JVC NZ7 projectors under 10K are real 4K, look it up.

​@@wally6193what's your point with your comment? He got the projectors for review and he did the review. These Epsons are true 4K so they meet the 4k standard. JVC and Sony are native 4k.

@@percybedford6266 they are not native 4k which makes them not true 4K, what part of that don't you understand. The Sony/JVC are native 4k. My point was you can't call them true 4k because they aren't. Hey, if you want to call them real 4k have at it. Maybe you think there is a definition difference between "true and native"? I have no problem with his review of the product, but just don't say they are true 4K, pixel shifting 1080P is not true 4K.

@@wally6193 you are wrong. This has been documented for years. Native 4k is 3840 x 2160 resoultion while a true 4k can upscale it's resolution to reach 3840 x 2160. It's your problem if you don't like the standard. Take that up the Cinema industry for setting the standard. So you argument makes no sense.

The 5050ub has fantastic black levels. The UB literally stands for ultra black. The ls11000 is very close but not quite as good.

The hu810p pops better than the Epson but the black levels weren’t great. Not to mention input lag.

@Chris Majestic Thanks Chris. We'll i just moved into a new place and I don't quite have everything set up just yet. I'll give it another week or so and I should be good to go. Then I'll be able to pass final judgment. Maybe the LG is just better suited for my environment. It'll be night soon. So I'll see how well it does in a much darker room.

@@yadfgp you have a defective unit. Any of those epsons will look very much vivid right out of the box with bright content. Do a short clip using your phone and post it on your youtube channel. I will offer you my honest oppinion if it's a defective unit or something else.

@George Popescu Thanks for the offer but it's already been sent back. Even messing around with it alot more I couldn't get it to look as good as others that I had seen on the net. Everything just looks washed out no matter how dark the room is. Blacks would look really grey. I think you're right so I'm gonna try another unit.

@@yadfgp buy the 12000 if you can, in a bat cave is way better for contrast and black level

In the video I said the 5050ub has the slight edge on black levels. The extra clarity of being 4k is the real reason I prefer the ls11000

Um it does do 4k 120hz which effectively makes input lag half of that at 60hz. You just need a 2.1 capable reciever and hdmi 2.1 cable to make it work. Also 2500 "real" laser lumens is great. It's night and day different between 3000lumen projectors that have only 1000 useable lumens in usable (colour accurate) picture modes. Also everyone knows if you plan on doing any serious competitive gaming it should be done on a PC and with a gaming monitor or TV 😂

@@ThujanK Nope, it's not going to be HALF of 60hz and instead it is going to equal 60hz (19.8), which isn't terrible for the average Joe, but still unacceptable. So nope, still not for serious (or simply highly skilled) gamers.

If you're calling anything under 20ms unacceptable you're in the wrong market lol

@@DanRichardson Agree 🙂... unacceptable, in that I will simply no longer settle for (19.8). I feel a maximum of 16 ms is required (desired) and therefore like to play it safe and obtain something maxing out at say 12 ms (my UHD38, Vizio 65", and Neo G9 all meeting that requirement). So hence I await a new projector that can do at an absolute minimum 4K 120hz 12ms, although honestly I would like 4K 240hz 8ms. That said, I know plenty of people who's reaction times are so much slower than mine that 19.8 would be 'more than enough' and in fact they are very content playing at anything below 30 ms. So hence in my original comment I stated 'highly skilled'... for one need not be a 'serious' gamer, for which I am not, however if one possess good reaction times and can see/feel the difference, then of course one wants a low enough latency where one cannot see/feel the difference.

Closest thing is the LS800 but it’s not 4k and the contrast isn’t as good. In other words, no.

@@ChrisMajestic Again the LS800 also does not support 3d. BUMMER!!😑

For 5K I would expect it to be native 4K without pixel shifting.

It’s 4k @ 120hz

@@ChrisMajestic How did i miss that!? I take it back.

@@ChrisMajestic Any models under 2000 euro's coming out this year with 4k120hz? I saw 2 new models of BenQ coming out soon. No 4k120hz yet though. Maybe you know more!?

@@ChrisMajestic Any projector under 2000 euro's with hdmi 2.1 4k120hz would really sell. I've been waiting for years. Great videos btw. Just subscribed to your channel.

Better hdr performance, better contrast, no rainbow effect, and more picture calibration options than most usts. But just not as bright and not as easy to install

@@ChrisMajestic so this unit would perform better in terms of picture quality than the Formovie Theater?

I didn’t really notice a difference in motion.

if you are talking about Epson's problems with displaying 24p content than yes, motion interpolation implemented in those new laser units is a superior solution compared to the older models

I prefer JVC over Epson but most people including myself can’t afford it. I love the NZ7

But I will be reviewing them on the channel in the future

For most people 5k , the price of Epson 12000, is already a lot of money. JVC has left the middle market with the new laser series and now are only making high end products. Not many people are willing or can afford to spend the money for a brand new JVC.

@ronaldchan3401 not everyone can afford 10k for a JVC laser. JVC has priced themselves out of a lot people's budget. JVC was once considered the smart buy because the were very reasonably priced. That is no longer the case.

Just buy a cheap Benq for your 3d viewing as I did 😃

@@bryanp4827 Already got a Optoma dlp 4k for my 3d and a JVC 1080p non 3d. I prefer the lcd for being easy on the eye and prefer this to dlp, The JVCs are out of my price range these days.

​@@televes99 yeah, agreed

Projectors have progressed significantly since the optoma darbee. It’s a fast evolving market now.

Just out of curiosity. What does your E and EO stand for? Thanks Hot Rod

@@Mr.HotRod Sir, Errors and omissions Exempt It should read E & OE .

@@kevingrainger2530 👍

That's literally the only reason I watched this. I was lucky enough to get an epson 2250 around launch before they discontinued the 3D feature due to "manufacturing problems" and epson havent been including it in many of their new models that I know of. With no 3D TVs in production, projectors are all we have left. 😢

Sucks doesn't it. I'm in the same boat. A lot of the Short Throws and a lot of the new DVD players include it. Why not Epson?

Because there are hardly any more 3D bluray releases, or even fake 3D, because the TV channels haven't kept up, and because projection enthusiasts prefer to watch a film together with good brightness and contrast, which are destroyed by glasses that spoil the fun. And yet I love 3D! 😉

3D is a joke

If you enjoy watching a SMALL screen...I have both, and even though my oled has better blacks, it gets destroyed for sheer awesomeness by my lg hu810!😂😂

The goal is to recreate the movie theater experience at home. An 85" or 95" TV doesn't do that.

​@bryanp4827 Same here. I just brought the ls11000. Haven't hooked it up yet, but I also have a 77and 55 inch oled. It's like having the best of both worlds.