Looks like there are a lot of questions on this one, so lets see if I can help, and Ill add some other issues that havnt been brought up yet as well. It seems a lot of comments are basically that x set would work better in y situation, but this is a one size fits all guide so that is outside of the scope. For those looking for more choices and optimal setups, that video will be out soon! Why Velothi & Tzogvin's? The short answer is if you ignore the minor force, which is what I did here, they are still some of the best options all around. Add in when you are solo and using ROPO that you will not have velothi, it also makes more sense for a one size fits all build. We are also continuing to see barbed trap fall in dps, and it is possible we will see it dropping from some builds in the not too distant future as ZOS seems intent on making that happen. After all, one skill being best on every build in the game, does not make for dynamic gameplay. And again, a one size fits all kind of thing, fits no one perfectly. Other Issues not brought up yet 1. All medium could be more difficult if you dont have the best build, or if you just like the idea of using all magic abilities. 2. Not great for PvP. 3. Objectively better sets for specific circumstances, such as Berserking Warrior for martial melee builds to pick just one of many. 4. All the extra lines of penetration will only be useful sometimes, and completely wasted others. 5. And the list goes on... The point was to design something good enough that it works acceptably well in all circumstances, but by it's very nature that means it's not going to be best in most/any of those circumstances. With that said, I love the discussion and conversation about why this isnt best in x situation! so lets keep that going!
I thought this video was on point. I occasionally hear people discounting tzogvins because "they already have minor force". Okay...do you already have 1770 crit as well? Ignoring minor force it's still the sixth strongest crit set in the game and can be front barred. The five sets that have more crit than tzogvins all have mini games or proc conditions that doesn't make them usable in all content. Vs tzogvins which is super forgiving. Not sure if this is still the case, but I used to be able to get tzogvins stacks while dead just from residual sticky dots. For what this video set out to do, give a build that will be good (not BiS) in all scenarios I think tzogvins/Ansuul is perfect.
I would much prefer to run order’s wrath, which is craftable, doesn’t require running a dlc dungeon a bunch of times-especially to get weapons for front bar (tzogvin’s), and unless you are in an optimized group, is probably stronger due to the crit damage bonus.
@carlos424 There is definitely something to be said about how much easier OW is to get then tzogvins. 3 trait crafted set vs a vet dlc dungeon. It'll cost either time or transmutes (both really) to get a full set of tzogvins in the right traits. Theres a bit of a learning curve for frost vault too. I was curious so plugged in the crit values to look at how much each sets 5pc provided. (Ignoring minor force). First at 50% crit chance & 100 crit damage then at 50% chance and 117% damage (last crit damage rating before OW becomes redundant) and OW was narrowly better. (x1.5866 vs x1.58 and x1.6787 vs x1.6786) Tzogvins requires a ramp up and the stacks can drop, but buffs both bars Vs OW which only effects the bar it's on (so it's only buffing 80-90% of your damage) but immediately is at full value and can never drop. I'd say the sets are pretty interchangeable. In which case how easy OW is to get is definitely a factor
Sanity's Edge is an easier trial guys, just go for it. You can pug it with group finder even, just make a listing and wait, they will come. Never done a single trial? Go for it anyway, once you jump in and get acclimated you'll have so much fun.
Pretty much. I've been trying this in our guild. Open normal trials for others to jump in. It's tough to fill at the moment but hopefully it'll pick up. I found it really tough to do trials when I started bc it was daunting but it's like the only thing I do now, so helping others in is what I'd like to do. Xbox eu, Haus of Revelry If you'd like to join
I prefer order's wrath since we already get minor force from the necklace, but if you're solo and using Pale Order I can see Tzogvin being a better option
OK very helpful thank you! If you're going with the secondary options so you have Order's Wrath instead of Ansuul's, what would be the secondary option to Tzogvin's? Thanks.
It really depends at that point, but something like Pillar of Nirn is still good. You could even go with an overland set like Mothers Sorrow and it would may be bad.
If you are using a channeled spamable then generally yes. And there is even the possibility of the new destro spamable being useful next patch, which would open up deadly to many more builds. But as it stands right now I’m deadly is best on templars (using jabs/sweeps), and arcanists. I’ll be doing a more comprehensive gear video in the not too distant future covering class specific and more situational sets, of which there are many.
Could you lust out the gear in the video description area for easy screenshot option? Gracias buddy! Also I am on PS5, is your guild on those servers? I’m level 800 stam arcanist. Recruiting?
If you look under the community tab here on RU-vid you will find high resolution images you can grab. I’m working on a website where they will be downloadable. Should be done in a month or so. As for the guild, would love to have you but we are primarily pc/na unfortunately. All are welcome in the discord though and we have some peeps from other platforms.
Just off the top of my head… Front bar: daedric prey, crystal fragments, barbed trap, both pets, flawless dawn breaker Back Bar: hurricane, wall, flex (crit surge for heals, a shield, ele drain, etc…), both pets, charged atro
As a mag sorc how would you keep up sustain when not using hardly any light armor? I run tzogvins/whorl and already have sustain issues so couldnt imagine running no light and trying to keep up.
Generally now you want to always be doing the hybrid thing, with some stam skills, and that could be your issue. If you are going for more of a themed build then I think your setup with more light pieces on the body is the way to go for sure. If you want some specific advice, come by the discord and we could trouble shoot it there!
If you are on an arch, definitely not, that’s just a class specific option. It can also work well on other classes with channeled spamable like templars. So it depends a bit on your build. I’ll be covering stuff like this in my next dps video, after the tanks and healers one. Feel free to follow up and I can give specific advice if you need it b
If you swap the 1 pc slimecraw for 1pc light valkyn your also at 4man pen cap while in 6 medium with thief and daggers. So tzogvins/ansuul is 100% usable in all pve content.
That’s not true at all. That’s way to broad a statement to make. The pen cap is 18.2k , wether it’s 4 man or 12 man or solo. Assuming you have minor and major breach and infused crusher, since you’re talking about 4man, that will bring you to 11.2k pen. you’ll still need 7k pen to make up. 1 pc light skoria, the ansuuls line of pen, the velothi line of pen the base 700 pen isn’t gonna equal that 7k, so it depends on class passives and tank gear to actually get you to pen cap in that situation . So ya your comment is just plain wrong .
@@lamashtu3449 Tzogvins also has a line of pen. 935+700+1650+1487+1487+1487 is 7746. And yes I should have been more specific, by 4 man pen cap I meant 7.2k (tank providing major/minor breach and infused crusher). As opposed to a parse or trial where you also have a 6k alkosh. Seeing as how you mentioned the debuffs too, you clearly knew what tf I was talking about lol
In this orientation it’s mostly for the bit of mag regen tbh. Normally it would be for a bit of penetration but we have quite a bit in this setup. Situationally great, sometimes completely useless as we won’t need it. But since most builds should ideally have some mag and some stam, having a puece or two is often nice to have. It doesn’t seem like much but it really can make a big difference.
"Jewelry: All Weapon or Spell Damage" I know you're as old school as I am, but you gotta know that weapon OR spell damage isn't a thing any more. Just about everything is both. The only choice for jewelry is whether you want a tiny extra bit of Stam recovery or Mag recovery.
I think for someone fairly new to ESO you could even go one step further and strip the gear back to even more basic but easily achievable gear setup: Julianos+Orders Wrath+Slimecraw monster set. My daughter started playing ESO with me and I crafted her the Julianos and Orders Wrath gear in purple quality and then we grabbed her the Slimecraw head piece from Wayrest Sewers easily because it's not a very hard dungeon. She is still only up to CP400 but still rocking this gear except using Valkyn Skoria monster set which she prefers and we have a lot of fun together doing most content. We do a lot of Endless Archive with her on that setup and me on my DK tank/dps hybrid (Elf Bane+Akaviri Dragonguard+Bloodspawn Magma Shell build) and we have a blast!
Because even if you ignore it, it's still a good set, and sometimes you will be running ropo. I hear you though that it does feel wastful and I also want to find and do soemthign more optimal, I just think this is best for a one size fits all kind of thing.
Nope, for an arcanist deadly is still best. I need to get the more complete guide out! Deadly is just only good on certain classes with a channeled spamable.
Glad to help! And yep, for the easy build. The meta build is coral & deadly, but you have to manage stam. Honestly not bad in an arcanist but it is a mini game.
It’s best for solo content and for survivability. It’s also a nice accessibility feature for a lot of people, so I do like it for that. Particularly heavy attack builds. I think it’s also over and underrated depending on who you talk to. Sweaty players tend to underestimate it’s utility and more casual players tend to overestimate it. For example I have a one bar tank build that doesn’t use it, because it’s not needed, but I get comments on that video all the time with people assuming it does.
Okay cool. I have a decent number of Templar videos. They are the best no oakensoul dps class because of their access to empower. ESO Templar: Two Bar Heavy Attack Build | No Oakensoul ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qpJ_YYLYktg.html ESO Templar: Easiest One Bar Heavy Attack Build in the Game | Beginner Friendly, No Oakensoul ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SrjPBnMj04Q.html
I quit the game a while ago but occasionally come back and see the news about the game, but I want to subscribe since you’re a clearly chill guy who takes joy from helping others
@@Nightharrow mostly maining D2 and waiting for the new expansion. I’ve been eyeing at eso to see if there was any reason to come back to it but Id hate to come back since there’s no class change token. I’d like to try arcanist besides the necro and nb alts I have
Replace tzogvin with either mother’s sorrow or leviathan depending on your max stat and I would agree. Velothi already gives minor force and the other sets don’t require dlc
I hear you, you have some valid points here, so Ill explain my rational. Ignoring the minor force Tzogvin gets you 1,770 crit vs mothers sorrow and leviathans 1,528, so it's just objectively better than both of them. Add back in it's utility when using ROPO and it firmely pulls ahead. I hear you on easy to get sets though, and thats a valid point which I agree on. It's just a topic for another video. Prebuffing force and using trap can also have their issues depenting on the content you are running, so having it up by default is also just kind of nice. I could go into all the details by they are numerious and varied in whats best to do. Suffice it to say, it's just easier to always ahve it up without having to think about it imo, but I will conceed this part is opinion and will vary based on play style.
It might be less than ideal from a dps perspective but it’s more than enough for the vast majority of players. And we are talking about very small differences in dps and these sets are pretty comparable to bis setups. Ie single digit percentages. I’m guessing you didn’t make it to the point where I mention running a trials guild, but suffice it to say I understand you point. There is a presupposition that for tanks and healers in trial it’s literally pointless to run the same sets. I’ll definitely address that.
Didn't see others said same thing and you explained why. Not trolling like others may bestill see them to be better but everyone can have their own opinion and run what's best for themselves
Yeah, it’s weird that tzogvin is just so much better than other sets that even with one of its main benefits being useless, it’s still better, but honestly it’s kind of a common thing. You’ll have two sets and one will just be a better version of the other.
I feel you, I quit eso the first time because of that arena. Couldn’t see the aoes on the lamia level. Idk if you are venting or would like advice but I’m more than happy to help if you would like any. Or you could come by the discord. If yours not interested though just double bar tzogvins and you’re good.
I’ve got stam and mag builds on the channel that will have all that for you. Stamblade is the most new and it’s here ESO Stamina Nightblade: Complete Guide for Solo, Overland, & Trials ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7Ab_mrVaYek.html Hard to link the other right now because of how RU-vid studio works, but my name and nightblade should bring it up for you. Sorry about that!
Hey Sim! So I think this actually covers it. If one bar, just ignore the maelstrom weapon back bar. If you are looking for more light for a mag heavy build then I would go with orders wrath and craft as many light pieces as you want.
As mentioned in the video, Orders wrath is the set I would go with, and then use that to farm one of her easier to get dungeon or trial sets. If you only want a crafted set for some reason, I would just do Julianos and Orders wrath.
I really wish I could find a trial guild like yours on Xbox, just started back playing and don’t want to be that guy ruining the trial experience for everyone. 😩😂
Hey, everyone’s gotta learn somewhere, but I hear you. There are good guilds out there though, I hope you find one. You are always welcome to come ask questions in the discord as well!
There is a really good trial guild on xbox called Trials for Dummies. They are a good and patient group that has teaching runs on Wednesdays and Saturdays! Hope to see you there!
Haha fair enough. This setup is designed very specifically to work with any weapon setup though. You can double destroy, bow, two hander, or even those dreaded daggers. In fact I would have different advice for someone looking to dual wield specifically. All that to say you should be good with any build here, by design.
Pug trials is so easy for a noob/returning player when most players already know what to do, just queue as dps follow the group position yourself with everyone else during fights and have fun. Learn the run as you go, no one even has to know you don’t know what to do just as long as you look like you know what you’re doing 🤣
This video is usefull, but the major problem is the constant nerf to players because some baby cries that "the game is too easy". These don't have any arena, pledges solo vet speed run no death or trifecta. Also major cries in pvp does that. Look for vampire mist, a HUGE NERF because of these noobs cries. Are killing the game because of lacking skill and lazyness.
Ring of the pale order is not nearly enough alone to keep you alive in Infinite Archive after the few first easy arcs. You start taking so much damage, that you need to have 30k resistances at minimum and you also need reliable fast massive single heal or massive shield ability, otherwise you will die. And there are many sets you forgot to mention that belong to meta. Your claims are only good for trials mostly but you stated that these setups are all you need even for solo. Not true. Not true at all. Also, many other setups you did not have in here works way better in 4man content than the ones you presented.
Yeah, ive got several IA builds and guides on the channel such as this one Endless Archive: Survival Build Guide ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zO0lEKWeGMA.html Not sure what you are talking about for sets that are better in dungeons than in trials? You mean trash setups? Regardless this is the best all around setup right now. If you are suggesting there are better sets for specific situations, then yes, I agree. If you are looking for a more comprehensive list of situational sets, like I say in the video, that will be out soon.
@@Nightharrow I said you can't survive in IA counting that ROPO and your damage alone will keep you alive, which is what you advertised. I know, because I am one of the top IA runners at the moment. You advertised that one setup which you describe in the video is the way to go for practically every situation from trials to solo, but now you admit that it isn't actually so. But you then continue claiming "Regardless this is the best all around setup right now" which is not true at all because there in fact are many situations where you can have better setup also the setups can vary a lot depending what race/class combo you are going with. I am just pointing out, that you could be more specific and honest in the videos and not feeding people false information and promises seeking attention and viewers. Which is of course what like 99% of content creators do and that is bs. Maybe I should show you people that you can actually do honest content sticking to facts and just tell about the stuff how it truly is.
You’re comparing advice for the average player to your attempts at pushing levels in the AI man. I’m guessing this is the first and only video you’ve seen on my channel? You probably don’t know that most of them go fairly in depth and cover very specific situations, that’s just not this video. And I still have no idea what you are talking about for those dungeons setups?
@@Nightharrow For the first arcs you can go even naked and still survive. What is the point ? Seems like you can't take criticism and I only pointed out that your advertising about this setup is a bit overshooting, you are making many claims that are not actually true. But I can see no matter what, you can't admit that. Because of course, you fear for your views and subscribes. "literally the only sets you need" and you miss a whole bunch of sets there that belong to the current meta. There is no "one setup good for everything", but of course, if you lower the bar enough, every setup becomes viable. Now, I lost my interest to continue this conversation any further because there is nothing I can gain from it.
Lets see if we can do some math and see if thats true or not. Comparing a BIS set like Advancing Yokeda to Tzogvin, you have 2,410 critical vs 1,740 giving a 670 difference or ~3% critcal chance increase. Assuming max critical damage bonus of 125% we get a 3.8% damage increase from AY over Tzogvin. Meaning our theoretical max parse of say 125k goes all the way down to a little over 120k. I'll leave the analysis of Ansuul vs another bis set to you.
Yeah most 5pc bonuses that are dps oriented add 10-15%. Ansuul is on lower side without the proc and Tzog isn't a top performer but the setup easily clears 110k. Sets are a smaller fraction of a parse, most important aspect is your ability to parse. Saying it'll parse 80k shows a lack of understanding on what constitutes high parses.
PVP is endgame. A huge # of vet trial players are intimidated by pvp because of the dynamics of play and the inconsistencies. Trial mechs are nothing compared to going up against the best pvp'ers and employing strategies to win campaigns. Also spell crafting is about to change a lot of builds.
That’s funny man. I’m actually known as the guy who hates addons, so I’m with you. I don’t want all that junk on my screen, I don’t want to have to deal with keeping them up to date or finding new ones when they break. And a grip of other reasons. The thing that really got me using them though is that it will tell people what mechanics are happening in my videos, and I think it’s really helpful. I just wish they would implement a few quality of life things for inventory management and swapping sets, and I would be happy to get rid of them all.
not trying to be funny just spittin facts ... and I have real career and its not begging for views and people to sub online thanks ... @@Nightharrow but if you really want jokes look at your life I'm sure they will come to you.. I have faith in you
Congratulations on the career. I hope you find something to do in life that makes you happy. Well, something other than insulting strangers so feel better about yourself. And when/if you do, just know that like 2pac, I ain’t mad at cha.
