watched one of these a few months ago and it was louder than the whole red arrows show together, absoloutely the loudest thing ive ever heard in my life, outstanding.
EJ2000 carries a dirty little secret, it´s called "War Setting". The EJ2000 is tuned to a low wear setting. If you set it to the War setting then you get 95 kN of thrust per turbine, which would put it at pat. But don´t forget the F-35 weighs 2-3 tons more. The thrust-weight-ratio on the Eurofighter are better ...
They are both exciting in different ways (F22 AND EUROFIGHTER), but they are designed for different levels of performance. …The Eurofighter is certainly, as far as smoothness of controls and the ability to pull (and sustain high g forces), very impressive. That is what it was designed to do, especially the version I flew, with the avionics, the color moving map displays, etc. - all absolutely top notch. The maneuverability of the airplane in close-in combat was also very impressive.
Calm down kids,,here's some facts about this fantastic aircraft,Firstly,the whole aircraft is built and designed by BAE Systems in Warton Lancashire,Eurofighter are the procurement consortium formed out of Panavia another consortium which purchases and supplies a guaranteed number of aircraft for countries whose governments have signed an agreement to purchase a percentage of units from BAE Systems. It was developed from the BAE EAP demonstrater.
The Typhoon is cool. However, here is what the UK test pilot Peter Collins (ex-RAF pilot and ex-leader of the Red Arrows) says about the French Rafale. "The Rafale is Europe's force-multiplying "war-fighter" par excellence. It is simply the best and most complete combat aircraft that I have ever flown. Its operational deployments speak for themselves. If I had to go into combat, on any mission, against anyone, I would, without question, choose the Rafale."
There's only one man who's actually flown both the F-22 and Eurofighter (an American General), and he said that comparing them to each other is like comparing a Formula 1 car to a NASCAR. They're both exceptionally good, but you can't really compare them to each other because they're meant for different roles and so have different pro's and con's. My own statistical analysis backs this up. What is clear is that they are definately the top 2 currently in service fighters. No others come close.
wikipedia : The Typhoon is capable of supersonic cruise without using afterburners (referred to as supercruise). According to the official German Luftwaffe and Austrian Eurofighter website
The Typhoon's Eurojet EJ200 engines have 2 x 60 kN dry thrust and 2 x 90 kN with afterburner. The F-35's Pratt and Whitney engine has 125 kN dry thrust and 195 kN with afterburner. Both are similar in this respect. Even the thrust-to-weight ratio is the same. But the F-35 has a high wing loading of 446 kg/m^2 whereas the Eurofighter has only a loading of 311 kg/m^2. This is a clear indicator for better maneuverability, higher climb rate and better turning performance of the Typhoon.
And most of the expense of the F22 was from the stealth. Now we have had 25 years of stealthy warplanes and the radar manufacturers have had all that time to build radar that tracks and locks on to planes with tiny radar cross sections. And the computers that control those radars have become millions of times more powerfull.
And who else thinks its weird that during take off the center tank is mounted, during flight it's off and while landing you can see it mounted again. But hey, at least it's a good show! - some german air force eurofighter mechanic.
@konischev Replica was a project by the UK to create an aircraft with advanced stealth characteristics as a part of the FOAS. Though the FOAS project was cancled, the results from that along with the HALO project were rolled into the JSF program. Its also worth noting that the UK is contributing heavily towards the F-35. UK companies have manufacturing responsibilities for the aft fuselage, life support, engine components, EW systems and next gen armaments.
Dude, you speak without thinking. Peter Collins is one the most experienced test pilot in the Britain. He has obviously flown the Typhoon prior to riding the Rafale.
just to clear this up, the ef and the f22 are both brilliant aeroplanes made for different purposes, the ef is stealthy, to anyone who says its not just because of what it is made from and the shape of it but it is made for defence not attack like th f22 so they cant be compared, although the ef has far superior numbers.
You've lost sight of the fact that its really "just another plain-jane 4th gen. fighter" - the Russians, for example, dropped canards from their latest Su-35 Super Flanker because of the advantages of vectored-thrust and no increase in drag penalty - and still greater maneuverability as a result. And with the Typhoon's massive "maw" air intake system, it can be seen for miles on on-coming fighter radars. It's a "compromise" design that hasn't kept up & will become more obsolete in time.
I'm an American but I have to say the British Kicked Our ASS with this plane: If the U.S.A. and England every went to war again all I can say is TWARGE, TWARGE, TWARGE the British is Coming!!!!!!
Not according to USAF Chief of Staff General John P. Jumper. He said after flying the Eurofighter, "I have flown all the air force jets. None was as good as the Eurofighter."
"India has decided not to buy American F-16's or F/A-18's for the biggest defense tender in its history -- a pending $10 billion-plus contract for 126 multi-role combat aircraft. Following field trials, it has instead shortlisted the Rafale, made by France's Dassault, and the Typhoon, produced by a European consortium. "
The F35B is a naval version which is going to replace Harriers in new RN carriers. RAF main fighter is going to be the Typhoon for any foreseeable future.
The Eurofighter programme cost UK taxpayers somewhere around £20 billion, the F-22 programme cost US taxpayers £44.3 billion, I'd say the Eurofighter is considerably cheaper.
The Typhoon is incredible, but, it has nothing on the F22. The F22 is something else. Completely defies the laws of physics. I'm British, ex Royal Marines. Both are hands down the finest in war aircraft, however, the F22 is just something else!
@fmoa please just remember, the person in the back of this plane isnt an airforce specialist, hell he can barely fly a plane if you watch the topgear buggati veyron race, in which he flys some tiny propellor craft, and even then he cant fly at night. not to mention hes kinda old, thus limiting the difficulty and flamboyance of the shown manovures.
@konischev The Tornado is NOT shit. Its a great low level ground attack airplane. When it comes to flying fast at low level and delivering a bomb to a specific target nobody does it better than Britains Tornado's
excellent plane, along with the f-22 and su-50 is the best in the world, it is also beautiful, according to mi opinion the second most beautiful jet in the world after the Saab Gripen.
@Owninatlife The Eurofighter is a far more sensible purchase, especially considering the financial crisis. The F-22 is only an air superiority fighter. The Eurofighter Typhoon is a fighter-bomber. To put it simply - to take the skies alone, you want an F-22. But to take a city, you want a Eurofighter.
An F-22A Raptor crashed about 10 a.m. Mar 25, 2009 killing a test pilot for prime contractor Lockheed Martin Corp. David Cooley, 49, a 21-year Air Force veteran who joined Lockheed Martin in 2003 died. The company did not release any details of the accident or say whether or not Cooley attempted to eject. Watch my movie about the F-22 - a high flying Enron
They're actually both multirole aircraft with an emphasis on air superiority. The de-emphasis on ground attack resulted in the French pulling out of the EFA project in '85 and going on to develop the Rafale.
The only mentioning I find on the eurofighter website is "All engine configurations offered with multi-role ratings and optional thrust vectoring. " And that's exactly what Eurojet tell in their engine data sheet. And the Jane's Defence article mentioning that Spain pushes 3D TVC for the EF is from Mar 26, 1997. Abd there's a paper on it: "Thrust vectoring for eurofighter - the first steps ", a status report from 2000.
The Gripen NG is a tech demonstrator and not in production yet. The Gripen C/D is a very capable and modern fighter, but it's not that much cheaper than the Typhoon.
@PurplePunisher69 The EAP itself was part of the European Fighter Aircraft program which ultimately became the EF. It's not surprising that it looks familiar.
The hydrostatic anti-g suit (Libelle) is not about straight up climbs. For straight flying you don't need any protection at all. The hydrostatic suit provides better protection from high-g onset rates (pneumatic suits have reaction times of about .2 seconds), as they have zero reaction time, and long lasting high g-forces. So you don't need to do your muscle straining routine up to 6 g's.
Well 'technically' the Eurofighter Typhoon isn't being replaced by the F-35 but the RAF and FAA are going to be getting the F-35B which will become their primary fighter jet.
@LottoWinner999 I do believe a F22 on exercise in the UK got 'smoked' by a british Type 42 destroyer during a joint exercise, that's a 35 year old commodore 64 ship toasted a brand new piece of microsoft windows fighter jet.
No American aircraft were used during the B of B,especially not the P40 as you have claimed elsewhere - these would have been hacked from the sky by the far superior Me109. Lend-lease didn't begin until march 1941,and this was not just gifted,it was eventually to be paid for. as Roosevelt said 'Britain and the Commonwealth were carrying the battle for all civilization, and the overwhelming majority of Americans, led in the late election by their president, wished to help them."
LOL it makes me laugh how people comment saying an F22 is better but to be honest you will never know which is better because the airforce for both countries tend to "mod" the planes, so speculation is all we have.
As a former pilot, from my understanding, a wvr fight would come down to pilot skill & tactics as there is very little between a F22 & a Typhoon in close. However the F22 has an advantage of a very very small rcs & the ability to launch a weapon with a greater amount of energy (supercruise), whilst the Typhoon certainly has superior bvr & wvr missiles compared to what the F22 is currently able to carry.
Well, it's not like I pulled this quote out of my ass. Peter Collins is a legend. I mean, look at his CV: ex-RAF jet jockey, ex-leader of the Red Arrows and now test pilot (only the the best get to become test pilots). Therefore, I dare to believe he knows a thing or two about fighters.
@LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH Didnt know about HX2,but not surprised. We helped Russia aswell after the war,Rolls Royce giving them 60 jet engines ..people got short memories.Lottowinners rants are quite amusing. People seem to forget we've moved on since the Empire days.
@MonChrMe thats all right, the ef can up to 14g´s and only the software limited up to 9,5 g´s! the g-suit libelle get the pilot over 9 g´s! the g-suit libelle is amazing!!!!!!
The Eurofighter has a radar cross section of 1m, so it's quite stealthy. I hope Canada considers dumping the F-35 and picks this instead. The F-35 is pretty much this generations F-105 thunder chief, The Aussies are getting cold feet about it since it can be out performed by almost all Next-Gen fighters.
Oh, one other thing. The Gripen NG is not a training jet by any standard. It is an excellent aircraft. It can outclass most of present day fighters and in most respects is on a par with Typhoon, though at a fraction of the cost. Do your maths.
@MsBallbeater The EF was designed as a pure air dominance fighter / interceptor. Adding multirole capability doesn't change that. While the F22 will have it's advantage in BVR fights, it lacks things like infrared tracking, high off-boresight missiles and a helmet mounted cueing system which are vital in a modern dogfight.
How come the Dept. of Defense in Canada is not considering this amazing plane...instead we're chasing after the F-35 serious budget problems... I don't get it!! This plane has been proven and flying for years and it gives great performance.
