The EFT is a masterpiece of technology. Plus its not just how good the plane is, the team has to be able to work together. The EFT is one of the most maneuverable aircraft around.
Some of the fighter-bomber jocks that were supporting me & mine on rotation #4 in 05/06, were the same guys flying for us in Gulf 90/91, Yugo 99, & Afgh/Irq 03. 2 of our active duty CAS/IA F15 guys in 03 were flying Phantoms & Vigilantes against NVAF during Rolling Thunder in Vietnam. That's a guy making widows since the 60s & a serious challenge in the air. He's got ice water running through his veins & the other guy is confused & uncertain.
Airborneduke, there's no reason to get all bent out of shape. This is just a comment section amigo. I'm not a pilot, but definitely worked with a lot of them...NATO, Japan & S Korea. With today's pilots, they're all well-trained, & all the same. We all say we're the best. It's pride. If you didn't say you're the best, then others would ask if you were second or third then. To me this bird is hot & looks like a composition of 3(Fulcrum, Falcon, & Hornet).
i suppose it's for one thing that Typhoon has supercruise ability too. And it actually has the longer weapons range with Meteor. ALthough in a (hypothetical) encounter the question is wether the Typhoon would get a long range radar lock on the F22, as some people say it has during a joint exercise of UK and US pilots. But, yes, you're right of course. We're on the same team. Just a bit of national pride and competitive spirit there.
This is a highly maneuverable aircraft. My uncle knows an F22 pilot. The Eurofighter Typhoon is just as good. Based on maneuverability, this aircraft would match the F22 10 to 10. The F22 has a big advantage because of Stealth and more advanced avionics. I say the F22 is the same as the Eurofighter Typhoon. The Typhoon would have a greater chance of winning if maneuverability was a factor. Both aircraft match up.
Britain's Defence Evaluation and Research Agency did an operational evaluation comparing the Typhoon with some other modern fighters in how well they performed against an expected adversary aircraft, the Sukhoi Su-35. Various western aircraft were put in simulated combat. Results: Raptor may shoot down 10.1 Su-35's for every 1 lost, while a Typhoon does 4.5 Su-35's for every 1 lost. Raptor.
Very well said, agree with mosts things you said. The F-22 isn't completly stealth either. IIRC it has weaknesses in the K-Band. And we shouldn't forget the EF has the unique PIRATE sensor. Anyway great post. Good both planes are on our sides.
The Eurofighter has a top speed of Mach 2.0 while the F-22 has a top speed of Mach 2.43 Both have extremely advanced tech and John P. Jumper, one of the few to fly both said "The Eurofighter is both agile and sophisticated, but is still difficult to compare to the FA-22 Raptor. They are different kinds of airplanes to start with; it's like asking us to compare a NASCAR car with a Formula 1 car. They are both exciting in different ways, but they are designed for different levels of performance."
The F-22 is currently the only 5th generation aircraft so I believe it is the best 5th generation aircraft so far. The Eurofighter Typhoon is 4.5 generation.
"two RAF Typhoons deployed to the USA for OEU trails work have been flying against the F-22 at NAS China Lake. There was little suprise that Typhoon, with its world-class agility and high off-boresight missile capability was able to dominate "Within Visual Range" flight.."
actually it is also designed to prevent a plane from getting a lock in the first place. as a "last ditch effort" it tries to make the missile target itself.
"and i heard it could only fly because of its computers controll system, it has absolutly no aerodynamic shape" what you heard is that it is designed to be aerodynamically unstable which means it can perform insane manouvers with ease, however it requires its flight computers to be stable
and we have completely stealth cruise missiles. and we don't mess around with choosing a warhead. the storm shadow warhead is a puny 990 pounds, and the AGM-129 ACM uses a W-80-1 Thermonuclear warhead with a yield of 150 Kilotons.
The maintainence costs for the F-22 is low and the F-22 is worth it. The main point is to keep pilots safe. The stealth will keep it from being detected by radar and will be able to go into territory that any other plane would get shot down in.
Custardaghost & catslee97, I've been to only one actual airshow & in the States. It was cool, even though the pilots have strict flight rules. How about European pilots? All I ever see of them is when we work & train together, or are at sea, or controlling their fires. The coolest thing I ever saw, was a Strike Eagle crew pull a low level pass over the water at about 900 ktas & then climb BVR. They were from Seymour-Johnson AFB.
Hahaha 17g, good one! Seriously no one is gonna believe you this. The maximum tested on the F-22 was 10,2g but true normally 9,6g. The problem is that the frame can get cracks at excessive g-loads but 10,2g was reached without a crack in the frame found.
There's a few Vietnam fighter-bomber jocks that could smoke just about anything flying if you gave them an old Phantom, Skyhawk or Eagle. They're Navy & AF guys that know the airplane & weapons like they were part of them. You're dealing with guys with near 40 years experience.
The only evidence about a mock engagement between Typhoon and Raptor actually said that F-22 pilots were surprised that they were getting waxed at BVR by the Typhoons, and that the Typhoons, I quote, "dominated the WVR fight"...why do you think the Raptor pilots refused to play the next day?
thrust vectoring can be used at high speeds, it is just more important at very slow speeds where the control surfaces are useless. no reason it can't be used a mach 2
lol the whole delta wing thing is a eauro phenomenon french sweedes the old vulcan which was a great plane! but for me i love the saabs lol.. but this plane is stunningly agile
Actually, the F-22 can stand up to a maximum of 14 G's and the F-22 can perform 9 G's for a long time as well. The F-22 is also faster and has a faster supercruising speed. Also the F-22 has a longer range. The Eurofighter is made to perform the 9Gs at subsonic and also supersonic speeds. The F-22 can also do it for a long time, not seconds at a time. Plus, the Eurofighter Typhoon and the F-22 cannot be compared because they are made for different roles.
the only actual exercise where the f-22 is considered lost was when the f-22 shot down an enemy who then regenerated, but the f-22 was not aware that the plane was still live, and the enemy got a lock with ir.
i don't care if the translation is wrong, go blame google translate, not me.the f-22 can shoot down the typhoon from 130 miles away and the typhoon has no clue were the f-22 is. even if it goes wvr, the f-22 has an all-around multi-spectral missile warning system that doubles as an irst system. the f-22 also has thrust vectoring. the typhoon irst system only looks forwards. f-22 infrared/ultraviolet search and track system looks everywhere, not just in front of them.
Its easy, when you make a fighter you have to make lots compromises. More stealth means less AOA and less g-forces. One reason for not to much RAM's apart money,maintenance for the EF was they didn't want to impact the supersonic agility.
...but the aircraft did cause a suprise by getting a radar lock on the F22 at a suprisingly long rate. The F-22s cried off, claiming that they were "unstealthed" anyway, although the next day´s scheduled two vs. two BWR engagement was canceled, and "the USAF decided they didn´t want to play any more .
this is an AIRPLANE ... :D honestly... it seems like science-fiction, flying around like a bird... not on a straight way, but turning and spinning around like mad. Thats some kind of crazy ;-) Anyway... good thing, that Europe has this plane, and not a country that is making war all the time (i won't mention any :p)
it doesn't matter if the meteor has a longer range, because the pirate has a very short range. and the only way to target an f-22 is with ir, and ir only works at short range and will not work in bad weather.
please explain to me the main TACTICAL disadvantages of having a centeral control system as opposed to the side stick bearing in mind the F-22 hasnt followed suit
yes they will actually. heat seeking missile/ir system use the same things, heat of the targeted object. flares can cause it to lose the plane. ir missiles can easily be jammed, our missiles can detect the heat caused by friction too. it is not a very special thing. radar can also operate at a longer range. f-22 can use radar guided missiles to shoot u down before u have any clue it is there.
typhoon can go mach 2, but not for long. afterburner uses all the fuel very fast, and typhoon supercruise is only mach 1.2. f-22 supercruise is mach 1.8. to use irst systems u have to be in dogfight range. f-22 can successfully launch a missile while doing maneuvers that other planes haven't ever done while launching a missile.
The avionics(sensorfusion) apart the Radar of the EF is almost equally good. While the EF has less computing power then the F-22, it has a more sophisticated interface. In addition the EF can use the PIRATE sensor while the F-22 can't. The RCS of the F-22 is much better but the EF can sustain higher G-forces and has unmatched agility in supersonic speeds. I would say F-22 10 to 8 EF.
During an exercise with the Eurofighter vs raptor, the Eurofighter just play'ed with the raptor and after 5 attemp's the raptors cancelled the exercise. Just so you know:P
First i didnt say the F-22 has limited AoA, but there can be designs which RAMS and stealth design do have impact on it. To further correct you you should now that RAM get cracks i didn't say they break off. There are diffrent RAM's not only the ones with as you said "iron balls".
PIRATE has a fairly long range, and it can be used in conjunction with the CAPTOR radar. Typhoon doesn't have to dogfight with F-22...you fly a plane to it's strengths...Typhoon has better high speed maneuverability...and for a fighter "speed is life" as the pilots say. When F-22 gets slow enough to make use of it's TV it becomes the biggest lame turkey in the sky. And, actually, Typhoon has a more advanced cockpit than F-22 and it's CAESAR radar will be a generation above...PIRATE is 3D..
While the F-22 is superior in most areas the EF has some advantages to. For example the EF is more agile in supersonic speeds then any other fighter. Its frame can hold up to 14g, the F-22 9g. It will get the best BVR-weapon and IR missile in the World. It has similar Sensor Fusion and IMA(Integrated Modular Avionics). Both are very fine planes.
it doesn't even matter what the typhoon's multirole capabilities are. it will be knocked out of the sky before it can get anywhere near us. if it used a bomb it would have to be extremely close to us, and would definitely be shot down by raptors. if it launched a cruise missile the missile would be shot down even more easily than the typhoon.
Being british its hard for me to say this, but (this is opinion remember) I reckon that the raptor would beat a typhoon in a one on one air to air situation, simply because the more advanced stealth technology would allow it to fire the first shot. BUT, everyone needs to remember that there are No totaly stealth planes in the world.
towed decoys will show up as two seperate objects on f-22s radar. pilot selects which one (they know the one in front is the real plane) and fire a missile at it. a towed decoy is not as effective as u think.
there is no way in hell that it could have a smaller rcs than the f-22. storm shadow is simply reduced rcs. the storm shadow, like the typhoon, is designed to reduce the head-on radar signature. and if u want to get near us, u have to go through the SBX radar, which can track objects smaller than a baseball more than 3000 miles away.
i'd like to see it launch a decoy before an aim-120 gets to u, that would be amazing. f-22 can guide missile with passive radar to maintain stealth, or they point in ur direction and fire. missile doesn't turn on active radar until its too late. not enough time for u to do anything.
The eurofighter is a vastly more agile machine than the f22. there speeds are similar although the eurofighter has a faster acceleration speed and super cruise. the f22 is faster by about 80-110mph. but the eurofighter is a much more versatile aircraft, more fuel efficient and a bigger payload.
EF beats the F22 in manueverablity hands down and can carry more weapons because it doesnt have to worry about compromising a stealth capability. I think, however, the EF wouldnt stand a chance because it probably wouldnt know the F22 was there until it was to late. Both great planes, different missions though.
hey ive seen 1 of these in action and they go like hell and its lowest flying speed is 90mph and top is 1500mph and a defning sound they can out run the america aircrafts like mad
We are talking about the Rafale and everything i said about it is fact. Not 1 single export sale in 25yrs....fact. And the British Defence Budget is bigger than the French defence budget. There are numerous sites on the net that can prove this if you care to look. Our budget in the 2008-2009 period is $70 billion. As for WW1, there have been alot of wars since then...lol.
The towed decoy would be deployed after missile launch...so the F-22's radar wouldn't come into it....it would deploy when the incoming missile was detected.
Still lifting off? The radar can detect them when their flying across the atlantic/pacific.. what if we got our SAM's ready? the Raptor's max speed is ≈Mach 2.42, the typhoon's is Mach 2 at ALTITUTE, Mach 1.2 at sea level..
f-22 doesn't even have to get a lock on to fire a radar guided missile. points in ur direction, and fires missile. then when missile is so close behind u that there is nothing u can do, it turns on active radar for final guidance. or it could just use the f-22s passive radar the entire time and hit u before u even knew there was an f-22 there.
Oh and "guess what?"...most heat seeking missiles can't detect the heat friction of a plane travelling through the air...they detect exhaust and systems heat sigs...
F-22 doesn't need to guide the missile...it's an active homer... Missile would be detected and evaded...sorry to disappoint you but Typhoon has one of the best defence suites of any fighter.
The problem with that tactic is that the Raptor will track the EF even while it is, far away, trying to maneuver into position to strike. The EF pilot will suddenly find his plane on fire and the ejection system activated! Now all he can do is watch his fighter burn while he holds a tight grip on his parachute!_____Sorry. Don't mean to be so dramatic... Mmmmmmmmmmmmm - Yes I do!
wikipedia is fine if you check the sources and also do more reading (often there simply isn't enough information in an article). It's far easier to navigate (and less biased) than any government site, too.
The first part of the comment was: The F-22 has taken 20+ years to develop and much much more money than the Typhoon,but with that the Raptor is not that MUCH better than the Eurofighter! You know a lot of airplanes and you know that in the air the lighter you are the better,and we all know which of the 2 planes is ligther! Also the Eurof.has been developed by the best scientists from Europe and don't tell me that USA has them all!
In your opinion what are the best birds of the 60s & also 70s. That is fighter/fighter-bomber. Then choose a fighter-interceptor, & also an attack aircraft. These selections are open worldwide.. Soviets, FRG, France, anybody & everybody.
The F-22 is not invisible,it shows on the radar,but it is really small,but i am sure that the Typhoon radar can see the Raptor! And in a dogfight the Eurofighter will beat the F-22,because it more maneuverabel!
