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Eurovision 2023 Final Live Televote Results Reaction 

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My live reaction to the televote reveal of Eurovision 2023.
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Комментарии : 268   
@priyaravindran6150
@priyaravindran6150 Год назад
I love how positive you are, Tom. You’re one of the few who don’t disparage anyone/ any act.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Thank you very much 🙏
@myrawatters1036
@myrawatters1036 Год назад
Love that we can hear Matt from ESC United in the background. 🤣 It’s like a two for one review.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
haha yep bonus reaction 😊
@punaviinihaarukka
@punaviinihaarukka Год назад
Loved your reaction to Käärijä's huge televote result 😂I have also seen ESCunited Matts's reaction for that, and it's funny how you can hear nearby him predicting that war is coming 😅
@l4ur4dee
@l4ur4dee Год назад
Your face when Finland was called was gold!
@florenna
@florenna Год назад
And how the mike broke down - it only does that in the best parts ;D
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
I’m going to invest in a better microphone that can handle my drama 😂
@tanktheplayer4275
@tanktheplayer4275 Год назад
It’s so funny hearing Matt talking in the background😂
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
lol i know, its a 2 for 1 reaction
@Merrixz
@Merrixz Год назад
Agree 😂
@MH-cj9dz
@MH-cj9dz Год назад
I soo wanted Kaarija to win ... The fact that Loreen was in it, pretty much meant that nobody else had a chance ... I thought Serbia would have done better , I really liked Luke Black
@seteliseppo8803
@seteliseppo8803 Год назад
Your reaction to Finland's points lol :D
@florentynakrupa5713
@florentynakrupa5713 Год назад
Spain getting 5 points from the televote has got to be one of the worst things about this year. How gracious she was in accepting it somehow only makes it worse.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
she came down tot he press centre after to console people as well
@aliceameliajoseph9436
@aliceameliajoseph9436 Год назад
The shocked faces, I was shocked too, I MEAN 5??!!!?!!??
@omaewamoushindeiru6581
@omaewamoushindeiru6581 Год назад
Then you have people wanting the jury votes to be gone. Make it make sense.
@waffleweave
@waffleweave Год назад
Agreed! Her performance was so masterful!
@J4nda
@J4nda Год назад
I think Blanca Palomas performance is very powerful and captivating, but as a song on it's own it's not listenable enough. Still it deserved more points.
@esclad
@esclad Год назад
There is a real danger here of the public eventually switching-off and saying to themselves "what's the point in voting" if the juries can crown their winner whilst overriding the public majority (who've all spent real money voting). After all, it doesn't cost the juries a penny to vote. With money being involved, maybe more sway should be given to the public in a 60/40 share. And Germany coming last is ridiculous but it exposes the juries for only having a limited palette in music. "Industry experts" they are not. I'm no fan of the song but I recognise talent recognise the genre and give credit where it's due in the marketplace.
@Sipu97
@Sipu97 Год назад
Exactly. The juries are just full of music business people who don't even evaluate the songs with the criteria that they are supposed to.
@esclad
@esclad Год назад
@@Sipu97 No, I don't think they are "full" of music business people. I think some are just tv celebrities, entertainment journalists. Not real music moguls.
@Sipu97
@Sipu97 Год назад
@@esclad I have heard differently. I know that in the Finnish jury there's this guy Jonas Olsson (born in Sweden btw) who is a producer. And it goes on.
@esclad
@esclad Год назад
@@Sipu97 I'm not saying that NONE of them are from the music industry- but it's only 1 or 2 out of 5 or 6 people.
@Sipu97
@Sipu97 Год назад
@@esclad Are you sure? And if you're right, it's very problematic, too. They are supposed to ojectively give their professional opinion on the performances. It's not looking good.
@EuanBCFC
@EuanBCFC Год назад
“Let’s see if there’s peace or turmoil” little did you know…
@weronika152
@weronika152 Год назад
thank you for your videos this eurovision season, tom! the analytical nature of your videos really makes eurovision more fun, you're like the voice of reason in the community. especially right now when it seems like everybody is just fighting over who the winner should've been. looking forward to the next season and your videos on it!
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Thanks weronika 🙏🏻 I’m going to keep making for now though for the next few months
@alipanroosendaal9503
@alipanroosendaal9503 Год назад
Nice how we could hear Matt from ESC united in the background. I love the idea of you all getting along and sharing the passion.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
yea hes a lovely guy
@DarkFlareGC
@DarkFlareGC Год назад
I love all the faces that you were making, probably how i looked as well during that Finland vs Sweden final numbers 🤣
@kevytmelankolia3395
@kevytmelankolia3395 Год назад
People are pissed because the winner was already chosen on friday after the juryshow, before a single televote was cast. And not even the second biggest televote score in the history could change that.
@madeleineskovby4475
@madeleineskovby4475 Год назад
I don`t think you are right about this. Reading all the negative posts about her before final, the copy and paste comments accusing her of plagarism, winners should not be allowed to participate ESC and so on made me think she would not receive that good score that she received. My guess was she would get a 2 digit televote score based on this so I was happy the ”hate” against her didn`t influence tele voters that much.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
That’s not totally accurate. She still needed 186 Televote points to win. Which isn’t nothing, and she ended up getting a lot more than that
@kevytmelankolia3395
@kevytmelankolia3395 Год назад
@@ESCTom She got a huge lead from the juries. Was there really a way to beat that? People in the arena (or watching at eurovillage) didn't seem too pleased about the outcome. And looking at the breakdown of Finlands televote score, there might be a few voters whose favorite didn't win. Who is this show for?
@KyrieFortune
@KyrieFortune Год назад
​@@ESCTom 187 to win, 186 was to tie and then it would come down to how many sets of 12 points they had got - Finland got 18 from the public and 1 from the jury if I remember correctly, Sweden got 15 from the jury and 0 from the public, Finland would have likely won in case of a tie
@vanessalisa77
@vanessalisa77 Год назад
I have loved watching your videos and thank you for defending our participation(Australia) in the competition. I hope we stay. I wish more of Europe understood that we have a HUGE European population here and SBS have the EBU partnership.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Yeah I really really really really really hope you guys come back next year 🇦🇺
@rikkeenora
@rikkeenora Год назад
I've followed Eurovision for many years now and i've never seen people being this dissatisfied with the results. I don't think peolpe are displeased with Loreen winning, just sad that Käärijä didn't. Especially because this is a Jury win and people are getting a bit annoyed at this pseudo democracy voting system. I'm still going to be an avid eurovision fan, but I think i'm gonna have a bit of a break to calm my tits about this, because I see myself getting more and more irritated about how this all ended. With that said i'm proberly still gonna watch your videos😅
@listonheinz9103
@listonheinz9103 Год назад
The tele voting has to be balanced by a jury, a 50-50 split. Strict tele voting was used for several years, with bad outcomes.
@rikkeenora
@rikkeenora Год назад
@@listonheinz9103 that i know... I know that if we only had televoting no ballad would win and it would be a contest of who could outdo the crazy to get votes. But the jury is incredibly biased and have proven to be corrupt on several occasions, because the jury is so small. I think that the people behind Eurovision should revise the juries going forward. Would that be a different scoring system, a larger pool of juries or something else. I think this year has proven that. I have actually been for the juries role in the competition, but i still think the winner should be the choice of Europe. Imo.
@tony0930
@tony0930 Год назад
​@@listonheinz9103 We need juries I guess, but something like a 40/60 or 30/70 spilt in favour of televote could solve this problem
@deadzoo
@deadzoo Год назад
@@tony0930I think we should keep juries but a 30/70 or 40/60 split for jury/televote would potentially improve the current situation, which is unsatisfactory. But the jury system also needs scrutiny; maybe a review of the criteria, how well the jurors interpret and adhere to the criteria, and also the diversity of the juries needs to be improved on different fronts. We can’t keep pretending that some countries don’t have an outsized influence with juries, and effectively have a head start.
@listonheinz9103
@listonheinz9103 Год назад
@@tony0930 Then you would get a problem with clown acts and goofballs taking over the competition, like they were doing in the mid 00s. That would put off a 30%-40% of the viewership and EBU would loose money. The current system is a very good balance, perhaps minor tweaks could be made but it has to be 50/50.
@TheManInBlueFlames
@TheManInBlueFlames Год назад
I felt so bad for you regarding Serbia! How was it THAT FAR down at the bottom, almost last?! It should have been in the top 20!
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
i think it was just too out there for most people
@emeraldgreen1973
@emeraldgreen1973 Год назад
​@@ESCTom unfortunately yes 😢
@beckettfitz1982
@beckettfitz1982 Год назад
@@ESCTom I guess the Balkan countries didn’t go for it?
@egyptianhibiscus9203
@egyptianhibiscus9203 Год назад
@@beckettfitz1982 Which Balkan countries, when Montenegro, Bosnia and Macedonia are even not there. He got points from Croatia, Slovenia not much. This is not even Balkan taste. We hoped for international televote but it all went to Käärija.
@johnny11415
@johnny11415 Год назад
I don't think we should be mad if Kaariya didn't win, he will have great success regardless so let's just be happy for him, it's just a song contest after all. ❤❤❤ Anyway I am proud of Marco's result and my favorite Australia in top 10 could n't ask for more really.
@florenna
@florenna Год назад
Well, yes, we have every right to be mad that rigged juries stole our victory... You don't understand how much it would have meant to all of Finland. Not even close.
@questionmark3219
@questionmark3219 Год назад
Germany's poor result means that less and less people are interested in this show in this country. In the end it doesn't matter who we send to this show and what the performance is like. Obviously a country like Poland can send the most generic pop song ever and be rewarded with lots of points while we're always at the bottom of the table.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Yea it’s disheartening. I think there’s definitely too much emphasis on pop. I know the majority of mainstream prefer it, but other genres should be able to come and not get destroyed
@Jasminis
@Jasminis Год назад
Yup Germany had no reason to come last, that was an amazing entry!... at least they get more fans.
@Werderina
@Werderina Год назад
@@ESCTom If Germany sents pop, it will be ignored as well. 😂
@kiekendiefje
@kiekendiefje Год назад
@@Werderina Not necessarily! I loved Michael Schulte's song in 2018. One of my favorites that year! 🙂
@KyrieFortune
@KyrieFortune Год назад
You know Germany can't vote for its own entry, right? And no matter what people outside of Germany may think, of all these competitors only one has opened for Iron Maiden, one of the most legendary hard rock/hevay metal bands.
@Emmuzka
@Emmuzka Год назад
I still think that the jury's overwhelming drive for Loreen is quite weird. Objectively, Euphoria is a better song, so why the jurys ditched all other "jury bate" songs like Spain, and collectively chose Loreen and Loreen only? If we'd look into how many Spotify and Warner representatives were in the jury's, what would we find?
@heppolo
@heppolo Год назад
Smoke and mirrors/LEDs
@johnny11415
@johnny11415 Год назад
That's a good point if you are a producer and work for a label that has contestants participating how can you be impartial?
@deadzoo
@deadzoo Год назад
Agree on the points about other songs like Eeaa from Spain (or even Watergun from Switzerland) that should have been obvious jury darlings and got very little attention from them ultimately. To my mind, many don’t wish to acknowledge or question the headstart that Sweden seems to have every year with the juries, and/or wonder why that might be the case. It’s just accepted almost as a natural occurrence. Conversely, smaller countries are severely disadvantaged by not having a similar degree of influence. Edited because I misread Euphoria as Tattoo in your comment! 🤓
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Yea it’s an aspect that i haven’t thought of too much. Honestly I don’t know how you find people who have no business connections but also have the relevant music industry knowledge and expertise
@heppolo
@heppolo Год назад
@@ESCTom music critics/journalists/scholars/academia, but that would be a bit too academic and probably no fun
@katewesley7836
@katewesley7836 Год назад
Thanks for all of your work throughout the Eurovision season Tom. I love getting your insights.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Thank you so much Kate 🙏🏻🥰. Make sure you stick around I've got more stuff coming soon, including my analysis of both semis and the final 🤩📊
@EmmyB-Yes
@EmmyB-Yes Год назад
Sweden deserved to win but MY GOD I'm so grateful for Kaarija (Finland) for entertaining us with his amazing performance and off-stage persona. Without him Loreen would have landslided both jury and public vote. Even the split screen moment was so interesting to me; one side is calm and polished, the other manic and scruffy 🤣I gave Finland all my votes for the authenticity, what a performer 💚
@UnscrambledEggs
@UnscrambledEggs Год назад
like lamb to the slaughter. it felt a bit like that. poor lad.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
That’s a very good point. If it wasn’t for him, the final could’ve been quite an awkward landslide
@drakept7742
@drakept7742 Год назад
I really didn't like the results. The jury vote was terrible, to much politics and a lot of the jury wanted Finland to lose. The public vote. People that are willing to vote, only vote for pop english songs or songs with crazy themes. Any other tipe of songs will recive low points from the public, especially balads, except for Italy for some reason. That beautiful song from Spain deserved better than five points, and germeny didn't deserved to be last place. I think there was a time i between 2016 and 2021 that any type of song could win, but now we are back to pop english songs and crazy songs being the only ones to recebe big points from the public. 123 points for Poland is a joke.
@liul
@liul Год назад
Agree 100%
@tony0930
@tony0930 Год назад
Agree, and I think King Käärija would've won in any other year because this year the margin between Sweden and Israel was way to big
@ZakhadWOW
@ZakhadWOW Год назад
you are so full of crap it makes my eyes bleed. "The jury wanted Finland to lose". And let's see your legally binding evidence on that, since you are wiling to slander/libel people without any concrete proof.
@hugomartinez2387
@hugomartinez2387 Год назад
So sad for spain
@idunnhatling5481
@idunnhatling5481 Год назад
oh, if only Alessandra hadn't done bad with the juries... This gives me flashbacks from Keiino. WHY YOU HATE US JURY?? Love from salty Norwegian. Also, happy for Loreen! (because that means I can just take the bus to the show next year?). Rooted for Käärijä with all my heart though. Gutted for Germany. At our eurovision party everyone had Finland as number 1 and Germany as number 2!
@elvinam888
@elvinam888 Год назад
As a Finnish person and a Eurovision fan I must say that the competition failed us all this year. Käärijä was this year's moment, legend and the icon and his victory would have been the perfect Eurovision story. He had the charm of Alexander Rybak, crazyness of Lordi, and song of Netta - and yet before all this he was an unknown young man even in his own country. He was the full Eurovision package who would have brought joy to the Eurovision scene for years to come. I can't stand that this story was destroyed by people who want Eurovision victories to be radio friendly English pop music - this means every country should just order the song from Sweden (like Azerbaijan, Malta or Cyprus often do). This jury plot kills the originality of the competition - if you can't win after getting historically large amount of televotes, why would you even bother?! It hurts even more to see that the biggest robbery in ESC history was against my own country. Finland has won only one time and we would have taken the victory with over the top pride and excitement. Next years hosting would have been a huge pride. But now we'll see the 3th Swedish hosting in little over 10 years. Haven't we seen enough of that already?
@annag1202
@annag1202 Год назад
I’m British and feel the same and just absolutely gutted for Käärijä and Finland, for me all the joy of Eurovision left me on Saturday night. It’s beyond ridiculous that you could receive so much support from the public and still not win. I actually won’t watch Eurovision next year, I have no enthusiasm for another show from Sweden and I’m not an Abba fan and we know it will all centre around them. But I’m not just disappointed for Finland but other performers who should have received recognition from the jury, what is their purpose if they are just going to give points to the same boring manufactured pop? I’m so sorry but Kiitos Suomi for introducing us to the joy that is Käärijä, he will always be remembered and I hope will join other legends like Verka Seduchka. Also congratulations for cha cha cha being in the U.K. charts, I don’t think we have ever had a song in Finnish before, that’s actually a higher achievement than Loreen in my opinion. Lots of love from the U.K. 🇬🇧💚🇫🇮
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Yes I completely feel your sadness. I also would’ve loved to have gone to Tampere in Finland. But success in the competition is not just about winning. This year käärijä showed Finnish culture, language rapping, and he was an amazing ambassador for the country. So all that amazing work that he did is not lost just because he didn’t win. Also Finland national final right now is so amazing, you’ve qualified three years in a row and there’s no reason to think that you aren’t going to continue sending amazing songs because the system is so good. If you do that then you will eventually win
@l1lium
@l1lium Год назад
@@ESCTom it's also ironic that the last time Finland won (being also the first time) the points were given by just televotes. No juries included. If there were juries, Sweden would also probably won that year. After Finland won and then next year Serbia, esc decided that "we don't like that voters decide wrong winners" and they brought back juries... So yeah, thanks I hate it. Yet again, Finland won with televotes, just like last time. It's still funny that esc said that jury helps to make the competition more equal and prevents countries from givin 12 points to countries next to them (ah yes, just like Greece and Cyprus) and prevents political voting. I wonder how political Finland's and Serbia's wins were. Yes, Verka's "russia goodbye" might have been counted as political, but it got the 2nd place, sooo idk what substances the esc people took
@elvinam888
@elvinam888 Год назад
Thanks for all the sympathies! ❤💚 :)
@elvinam888
@elvinam888 Год назад
@@l1lium Juries were actually brought back after Russia won in 2008, not after Serbia won ;) I think the win was credited to diaspora, so the juries were brought in to combat that; and rightfully so, as to me, Russia 2008 is one of the worst winners ever.
@if3530
@if3530 Год назад
These years results were so weird
@sarahenchanted
@sarahenchanted Год назад
I can see Belgium pulling off a win in the next few years. If you told me in February Gustaph would be 7th place I wouldn't believe you LMAO. Also I'm glad Ukraine broke their own curse by still doing great a year after winning
@Midnightsstan521
@Midnightsstan521 Год назад
This was the least predictable top 10 ever. I guessed only Sweden, Finland, Australia and Czechia being top 10. I fully expected Spain Austria and France to get top 10 and then- Running order chose *chaos* this year
@user-gs3yf7dv8r
@user-gs3yf7dv8r Год назад
Every year they are not predictable
@SteveJ0hnson
@SteveJ0hnson Год назад
Australia - the difference between the semi, which they won easily with Australia's best ever televote result, and the 21 points in the final, is very strange. Best part, though, is the Voyager reaction. They thought it was hilarious! They were just having the best time, and a semi win and top 10 in the final is a brilliant result for them, that they are absolutely stoked with. They are just the BEST people.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Yeah they’re really awesome. Austria had a similar thing but that could be explained more by the running order. I’m going to look into this when I go through the numbers for semi number two in my analysis video of that
@if3530
@if3530 Год назад
Serbia deserved more points ❤️
@venlakirahvi
@venlakirahvi Год назад
He's ahead of his time, the great public are not ready yet, sadly
@egyptianhibiscus9203
@egyptianhibiscus9203 Год назад
Today is his birthday 😀
@luukjoling1
@luukjoling1 Год назад
Was waiting for this one!!
@UnscrambledEggs
@UnscrambledEggs Год назад
Turmoil it is, Tom. Utter turmoil.
@CorinMusic2012
@CorinMusic2012 Год назад
I was sooooo gutted for Kaarija. In the public vote he got 12 points from EIGHTEEN countries, which is unbelievable...Loreen got 12 from 0 countries in the public vote...It just doesn't seem right. I think he deserved it more, personally.
@daviddelara7158
@daviddelara7158 Год назад
But she still came 2nd overall in the televote - it’s not like she flopped
@kevytmelankolia3395
@kevytmelankolia3395 Год назад
@@daviddelara7158 Loreen got a good televote score. But for an already established artist, a beloved eurovision icon who got all those 12 points from the juries, not getting a single 12 from the public is downright embarrassing.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Yeah I understand how you feel. Although in fairness she did come second in the Televote, and also she’s got the best charting across Europe right now
@ambicicek
@ambicicek Год назад
we dont need jury in ESC 👎 Finland was the winner of people at home...if jury wants to have points, so they should keep ESC as private event without TV votes and without viewers then 😒
@omaewamoushindeiru6581
@omaewamoushindeiru6581 Год назад
Spain got 5 tele votes which is so undeserved. Glad there is a jury with some common sense. And glad Loreen won too, she was the best.
@florenna
@florenna Год назад
@@omaewamoushindeiru6581 You are a hateful Swedish spammer (despite using a Japanese username).
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
We absolutely and utterly do need the jury at Eurovision. Later on I’ll do a video explaining all the reasons why
@allikin75
@allikin75 Год назад
Thanks, Tom! I fell asleep during the jury votes, and missed the whole thing ( and my mom didn't wake me up for the public votes. 😠)
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Omg I literally have nightmares about that 😭
@Werderina
@Werderina Год назад
You seemed quite ok with Germany‘s 15 points public vote…. 😂 At Eurovision it’s just like that: As a German you have low expectations and still get disappointed. The only thing we can change is having no expectations at all.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
yea, after only 3 points in the jury, 15 points suddenly seems like a lot, 5 times more to be exact 😭
@Werderina
@Werderina Год назад
@@ESCTom sad but true!
@florenna
@florenna Год назад
As a Finn, this was *most definitely* both the most exciting & also the most stressful voting sequence ever in Eurovision history!!! I will never, ever forget it. I almost couldn't bear to watch 😮 Like you at 10:22 I was covering my face and head at the end, like "this is too much"... 😅 Until then everything was going so well & right, but that was such a crushing anticlimax... (It's even almost painful to see how you can be so calm watching this, and in such sterile environment, when we were all in living rooms with dim lighting, drinks etc. 😅) People had said before the final that Finland needs to be at least 4-5th in jury votes to have a chance to win; we were 4th, which I was really happy about, and yet it still wasn't enough... Because juries had given Sweden such an unbeatable lead that no one on this planet could ever overtake :( But I'm still happy that I got to experience all this, even if the ending was so unjust! 🥲
@michaelkjellander9370
@michaelkjellander9370 Год назад
It was not only the jury score that made Sweden unbeatable, she got a very good televoting score as well which people seem to forget. The jury score combined with the televoting score made her unbeatable. She wasn't even the most "overrated" entry by the juries: 1. Estonia, 124 diff 2. Australia, 109 diff 3. Sweden, 97 diff 4. Spain, 90 diff 5. Austria, 88 diff
@Scheherasad
@Scheherasad Год назад
@@michaelkjellander9370 the gap between Loreen and the jury second place were over 160 points , this is overrated, this huge gap happened never before
@florenna
@florenna Год назад
@@michaelkjellander9370 ​ Yes, exactly as Scheherasad said, that kind of huge gap made it impossible for anyone else to win, in practice. :( So, it matters not one iota if she was 2nd in televotes or 10th.
@michaelkjellander9370
@michaelkjellander9370 Год назад
@@florenna What are you talking about? Of course it mattered, she needed at least 187 points in the televote to win. If Loreen would have ended up around 4-5th place in the televote she would have lost.
@smallblueangel
@smallblueangel Год назад
i love how everyone wanted Finland to win this year
@DerShadow
@DerShadow 5 месяцев назад
Its was rigged can't convince me otherwise
@Zakarias89
@Zakarias89 Месяц назад
Everyone exept the millions of people who voted for Loreen.
@smallblueangel
@smallblueangel Месяц назад
@@Zakarias89 or the other contestants. Whats your point? 😂😂
@Zakarias89
@Zakarias89 Месяц назад
@@smallblueangel My point is everyone didn't want Finland to win, like you stated
@smallblueangel
@smallblueangel Месяц назад
@@Zakarias89 🤦🏾‍♀️ of course not everyone… like its never ALL people… 🤦🏾‍♀️ but most people wanted him to win
@gecss9007
@gecss9007 Год назад
3:17 BAHAHAHAHA the best reaction
@venlakirahvi
@venlakirahvi Год назад
Apart from the situation with the juries, the second shocker for me this year was learning that almost no other country apart from Finland (I think the other one was Estonia?) shows translated lyrics as subtitles for every song performed in a foreign language (when watching via the national broadcaster). As someone who grew up watching Eurovision and became accustomed to understanding what each singer is singing about, it's so hard to believe! How is it supposed to be a fair competition when the only way to understand lyrics in foreign languages is to check them separately? You just get punished for using any other language than English. Also it would allow people with hearing problems to enjoy the show better. I hope EBU at least offers official translations on their website or something... How have they not figured this out yet? I'm baffled. It would obviously cost some, but it would be worth it a million times.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
yea i remember talking to someone about this earlier in the season. In Ireland and the UK, the translations are never shown. You can turn them on yourself if you want, but I literally dont know a single person who has ever done that. Yea, its an interesting thing, maybe it should be done more. Subtitles are actually becoming more common now. Interestingly in China, EVERYTHING is subtitled, literally every single TV program of every type, including films
@seteliseppo8803
@seteliseppo8803 Год назад
Let's goooo
@erinnadia0409
@erinnadia0409 Год назад
And people say they want the jury gone! 😅😂
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Never ever me. We absolutely need them. Just need to modernise them though and have better representation
@erinnadia0409
@erinnadia0409 Год назад
Yes that's what I believe too! They need to be educated on other genres! Because what they did to Germany and Spain was also a crime
@Jasminis
@Jasminis Год назад
I initially felt crushed by some of the low scores, but yea this breakdown makes me feel way better about it. I've seen a lot of people say there shouldn't be a jury vote but with out that it would be a very interesting race for last place with a few of my favourites
@venlakirahvi
@venlakirahvi Год назад
I agree the jury system does have some positive sides to it and should not be completely abolished. However I think there's a LOT of room for improvement
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Yeah the jury is absolutely vital to the competition for various reasons. It can always be tinkered and improved on but definitely not removed
@Zakarias89
@Zakarias89 Месяц назад
The nordic fans broke your mic 3 times in 12 minutes. 👏
@annag1202
@annag1202 Год назад
Thanks Tom for all the great videos again this year, I do love that you always remain balanced although I have to say that this year I don’t feel that way myself. Never felt so miserable and deflated after Eurovision even if the winner wasn’t a song I liked. Might have to give it a miss next year as seeing so much injustice really has got to me this time. Can’t help wishing we could ditch the bookmakers and juries and just enjoy the music without all the pressure.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Yeah I understand how you feel. I’m kind of used to it now just from the disappointment in previous years 😂 . But on the flipside, if you get what you want every single year then it doesn’t feel special. So you need to go through the disappointment years so that the winning years feel more special
@annag1202
@annag1202 Год назад
@@ESCTom bless you for the kind words, I really ought to be used to it too, been watching since age 5 in 1971 😂 I can’t actually remember the last time a favourite has won so I was really hoping that Käärijä was going to make it that special year. Gutted for Serbia too, my joint favourite and my daughter even bought me a cuddly lobster mascot 😂🦞 oh well, just got to keep waiting and hoping. Take care and once again thank you, your reaction to Luke qualifying was the highlight of the year. Love from U.K. 🇬🇧💕
@tilda3262
@tilda3262 Год назад
People often forget that Duncan (One of the most successful winning songs) came 3rd in the televote and 2nd in the jury and still won. Nobody had a problem with that back then
@Leena79
@Leena79 Год назад
I think I'd prefer next year's ESC to be just a little less intense. I feel I'm still a little emotionally hungover from all of this, but it was a great year. Did I hope, deep inside, to get the show at my doorstep next year? Yes, mainly to get a chance to see this madness live, for once. But maybe, we'll celebrate in Tampere 2025? This time, we're celebrating Loreen, and let's not dim the shine of her crown with any more bad feelings. It was crazy, it was party, and this year is stuck kn our memories like a tattoo fir many years to come. I loved following your Eurovision commentary. You showed us all that having favourites doesn't mean hating on the other contestants. Everyone who takes part in Eurovision is already a winner. 💚💚💚
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Thank you Lena for the lovely message. Yeah Tampere 2024 would’ve been absolutely awesome, but with the way UMK is recently, I think you guys are going to win soon. You can see already that you’ve qualified three years in a row and if you keep qualifying year after year with good entries eventually you’re going to get the win
@Leena79
@Leena79 Год назад
@@ESCTom I hope so - and I hope Ireland finds their groove, too, maybe with something more traditional with a modern twist? In Irish?
@lttoverlord
@lttoverlord Год назад
@7:33 - @7:38 😀 Loved that reaction!
@JayneBangert
@JayneBangert Год назад
It was at this point Sweden had already won - thx to the jury
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Well she still needed to get 186 points from the Televote as well
@jxhl666
@jxhl666 Год назад
​@@ESCTom but she was known to be one of the fan faforites with Finland and Norway. Norway was totally robbed and Finland only had an illusion of a chance with those jury votes. They gave 1 out of 3 fan favorites a huge head start and ingored almost everyone else.
@JeremyAndrosoff
@JeremyAndrosoff Год назад
Have you noticed the interesting trend for winners over the years? 2015 was a kind of pop style up-tempo anthem, 2016 was an Avant-garde ethnic infused emotional song, 2017 was very slowed down, a ballad very emotionally performed as well. 2018 brought us Toy, with an up-tempo bubblegum pop sound to it. 2019 slowed down again with sort of an anthemic quality to it. 2021 we got a Rock song winner, 2022 was more ethnic infused folk, and now in 2023 we have a beautiful pop song once again. Given the trend, I would imagine next year's winner will likely not be a pop song. Perhaps if Ireland were to go back to their roots and bring in some Celtic music, they'd stand a great chance in the running. I'd also love to see the UK experiment with a more Scottish (bagpipes) and/or Wales driven song. Maybe it'll be the year a Country or even a Jazz song might do well. The different genres winning from year to year as of late, has really been of interest to me. I'm also super excited that Canada is supposed to be coming in as well (rumoured anyways) as I'm Canadian myself lol. Anyways, thank you for your coverage! I really enjoy your videos man! I'm so excited Loreen won this year, and I'm happy she and Kaarija are friends (though really, they are friendly with everyone in the competition it seems, and that's wonderful.) It looked like you had an amazing time at the live event this year, and I hope someday I'll be able to go myself.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Yea I hope we keep getting this mix up because I love having very different and exciting winners. Even this year was a standard pop song but the staging was spectacular. I feel since 2016 we have more variety in the winners, I’m proud of all of them
@kiekendiefje
@kiekendiefje Год назад
We (NL) sent a countrysong in 2014 (2nd place), in 2016 (11) and in 2018 (18) we sent a countryrocksong which didn't do well at all (I loved it a lot myself though) so if we were to send yet another countrysong we might win you say? 😇🙂🙃
@M12534
@M12534 Год назад
How do u think they would do a 60/40 system? maybe If every country sent 15-1 points to their respective top 15, then the jury still does their top 10 with the classic 12 points. Would this work?
@regulusarcturus
@regulusarcturus Год назад
I’ve been following Eurovision since 2008 and never has there been a more bizarre voting sequence than this year. I can usually predict how well certain countries will do, but this year was just quite odd. Estonia, Belgium, Australia, Lithuania and Cyprus all in the top 12 surprised me quite a bit. Spain, France and Austria were absolutely robbed. Also, all of my bottom 3 (Poland, Albania and Croatia) came top 10 with the televote, that has also never happened to me. Still, at least I’m quite happy with the top 2 since I had Sweden and Finland both there. Loreen deserved to win and is an absolute Eurovision legend. Her voice, performance and emotions are really next level. Sad for Finland as this was their only realistic chance at winning since 2006, but Kaarija’s vocals were just too weak. He did well with the juries (came top 4 like I predicted), but overall, 2nd place is really amazing for Finland. I’m looking forward to next year 🥰
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
yea i agree about the vocal thing, he would have lost a lot of points in the jury final being weaker in the singing part. i think anyone looking for an excuse to mark him down could use that as a reason
@gabesalgado789
@gabesalgado789 Год назад
I'm one who ranks the ethnic bops at the top and screams about how they are underrated, especially Fulenn and Albania in most years. However, I do not understand how anyone can listen to Spain 2023. It is unlistenable to me. 5 points well deserved. Much love to Blanca, I respect her as an artist. But sorry in my view, this last place in the televote was well placed.
@regulusarcturus
@regulusarcturus Год назад
@@gabesalgado789 I get that the song wasn’t for everyone but she gave a flawless performance and is one of the strongest vocalist ever at Eurovision. Additionally, she didn’t just stand there in a dress and had a very visually strong and interesting performance. 5 points when Albania and Poland came into the top 10 in the televote just doesn’t seem fair. That’s why we need the juries.
@gabesalgado789
@gabesalgado789 Год назад
@@regulusarcturus Well clearly the song was not for the majority as the televote showed, but I really respect her artistry. Both vocally and visually. This was a strong year I think! I do agree with you that we need the juries with no changes.
@regulusarcturus
@regulusarcturus Год назад
@@gabesalgado789 Well she came second in the televote, which has happened with a number of recent winners so it’s still a well deserved win.
@Sipu97
@Sipu97 Год назад
Abbavision, here we come. I'm probably not going to tune in, though. This was bullshit.
@SuperJNG18
@SuperJNG18 Год назад
I voted for Albania and I don't have an Albanian bone in my body lol (I also voted for the UK, Spain, Germany, Portugal, Finland of course, Ukraine cuz I was with a Ukrainian friend, Israel, Belgium, and Australia, maybe a few more I'm forgetting. Where'd some of THOSE votes go lol)
@whisper5706
@whisper5706 Год назад
7:57 Auto translate says " If Lane wins its because she did buy a little Nutella boat so its win-win either 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Oh lol although it’s kinda of not bad cos I can actually tell which sentence you mean but how it sounds 😂
@whisper5706
@whisper5706 Год назад
@@ESCTom yes 😂😂 its not bad but its really fun xD
@Kotten84
@Kotten84 Год назад
Watching the points being handed out was nerve-racking. I really like "Cha Cha Cha" and I will listen to it many times in the future, but I also love "Tattoo" and as a swede I naturally wanted Loreen to win. Make her a two time winner, get us the 7th win to tie with Ireland and bring ESC to Sweden where I hopefully will get to see it for the first time. And apart from the top 2 battle, it was also interesting to see that there were a few surprises this year. I never saw the appeal of Spains entry, but based on the odds and how people have talked about it I expected a top 10 finish atleast, maybe top 5. Same with France - a song that I really liked, but it wasn't as good in the final. Also nice to see Belgium finishing so high. I wasn't sure if it would do well. Surprised that Germany ended up in 25th though. I thought it would be atleast top 20.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Yeah Spain and France are some of the biggest surprises for me. I myself said that Spains Televote is either going to be very high or very low, so although I’m disappointed it was low, it’s not a massive surprise. But France for example, I had no idea they were going to do so bad in both of Jury AND the Televote. I saw her jury performance and it wasn’t perfect but it definitely wasn’t as bad as they rancour
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
As they ranked her*
@hith2re
@hith2re Год назад
6:25 - 7:00 Interesting how Australia won the semi (so therefore won the televote in SF2) and Estonia got 10th in the semi but in the grand final, Estonia got more televotes than Australia. So much to analyse here, did the running order in the semi with Estonia being 4th and Australia closing the semi have a huge impact? (Especially considering Australia won the televote and then did poorly with the televote in the final). Did more people vote for Estonia in the semi assuming that without juries Estonia might NQ? (Surely with jury Alika would have finished top 3 with juries at least so she would be through regardless of televote score, but since it was televote only perhaps more people showed up to vote for her?)
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
yea this is one of the things that im going to cover in my Final analysis video, because i was to investigate if its an Australia thing, or a SF2 being weaker thing, or a bit of both
@heyitsoscar_
@heyitsoscar_ 10 месяцев назад
If Germany wins soon, when they host so many people would tune in since they have 86M population?
@ESCTom
@ESCTom 10 месяцев назад
yea their viewing figures are already high and they would go higher
@harrybrown7356
@harrybrown7356 Год назад
just a thought. why couldn’t irish just send an authentic irish song and then have a river dance dance break. we’d slay the day away. even just have a modern touch to an irish dance thing and we’d literally get so much love for it
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
well that was kinda done in 2014 and 2013 and it didnt really work
@harrybrown7356
@harrybrown7356 Год назад
@@ESCTom forget what i said by modern touch let’s just go old school 😅. irish “modern” just comes off as cringey for the most part. there’s so many issues with ireland in eurovision i’m just lost for hope at this point.
@harrybrown7356
@harrybrown7356 Год назад
@@ESCTom our best bet is to send something similar to our junior eurovision last year . simple irish ballad type song. we need to go a different route for sure and i think connecting to our culture could be the way to go
@BlueMangoHorse
@BlueMangoHorse Год назад
I've literally been praying for this for YEARS, I voted for France in 2022 and would vote for another Celtic song in a heartbeat
@ar50000
@ar50000 Год назад
I don't see why the Greek Jury shouldn't give Cyprus douze points, if they like the song. It was a good song. Why give it to someone else, whose song they like less, just becos 'someone may have had a word'.
@jmch2186
@jmch2186 Год назад
Tom, what would happen in the very unlikely event of a tie? Cheers
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
person with the higher televote wins. then if still tied, person who got points from most countries
@jmch2186
@jmch2186 Год назад
@@ESCTom Thanks Tom, hope you are fully recovered now 😀
@user-ep6gr4vt2f
@user-ep6gr4vt2f Год назад
I was really fuious that juries did not gave the rophy to Finland
@gabesalgado789
@gabesalgado789 Год назад
Finally.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
I was waiting for things to cool down a bit 🔥
@gabesalgado789
@gabesalgado789 Год назад
@@ESCTom Haha that might take several months or years I think 💚💚💚💚💚💚💚 Count 'em! Just keep doing what you're doing!
@MildethetoughTeddy
@MildethetoughTeddy Год назад
The thing that has sort of started to irk me a bit is the fact that this has to be a competition with one winner. I don't like that the songs have to be ranked and some even publicly humiliated with low scores. What if we had multiple prizes to give like in award shows and the hosting country could be chosen through other means? We could have a draw between those willing to host or then we could just go through every willing country in a random order. Idk, this current situation just makes me feel bad every year.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
Yeah that’s one of the reasons why I try to put an emphasis on what a big achievement it is to get top 10 and also even just to get top 13, which is the left side of the scoreboard. Even just qualifying is such a massive achievement for some countries as well
@damirdominkovic
@damirdominkovic Год назад
I can hear Matt from ESC Younited lol
@ColinGreen
@ColinGreen Год назад
I think the power of creating the running order is still very unfair. In my oppinion they should go like in the NFL thet the worst the year before get the best spot and the best ones get the worst. Would give an advantage to weaker countries and make the whole thing fairer.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
You need to keep in mind that it’s a business and there’s funding issues right now. That’s why we lost north Macedonia Bulgaria and Montenegro. So they have to make it the most entertaining show possible to keep the competition alive
@cecilialeitet2794
@cecilialeitet2794 Год назад
The fact that Germany came last is disgusting, and Australia also got too few points. They were both so good! The UK finishing low is less surprising, it just wasn't a good performance.
@zemonsta
@zemonsta Год назад
Spewin'.
@noellenn2122
@noellenn2122 Год назад
How does the televoting work? I mean where are the votes coming from? Is it from viewers? From all over the world including Europe or excluding?
@kiekendiefje
@kiekendiefje Год назад
The televotes are those from every country competing in Eurovision this year (and yes from viewers at home) whether you as a country make it to the grandfinal or not. The thing which is new this year are the televotes from countries not competing whether in Europe or anywhere else in the world. Those votes are combined into a virtual extra country ' the rest of the world' and then you get their 1-12 points for the televoting scores
@noellenn2122
@noellenn2122 Год назад
@@kiekendiefje so does this mean it’s possible for European voters to vote twice - once as competing country viewers and another as anywhere else in the world, assuming that would be using a different number for televoting?
@kiekendiefje
@kiekendiefje Год назад
@@noellenn2122 No that is not possible. The rest of the world are the countries in Europe NOT competing in Eurovision that year plus the countries outside of Europe
@KyrieFortune
@KyrieFortune Год назад
​@@noellenn2122 the voting system checks your number prefix, so no
@jenniborresen
@jenniborresen Год назад
voting results is always my least favorite part of eurovision
@ZakhadWOW
@ZakhadWOW Год назад
I feel it boils down to this: Put Kaarija and Loreen in separate years and I dont think you have all the bitching and moaning.
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
yea theres a huge amount of luck in Euroviison. Take any Eurovision winner and put it in another year and you've already got someone losing their title. So much luck in who happens to be competing in your year
@heylinsworld6673
@heylinsworld6673 Год назад
Impressive that they managed to deliver a nail-biter despite Sweden being the clear favourite to win and Käärijä smashing the televote as expected. I'm actually really happy for Loreen. I've watched her winner's reprise a LOT. I cheered when Norway got their televote! ALMOST makes up for snubbing Spain. haha.
@biljanastepic9780
@biljanastepic9780 Год назад
Zasto se Srbija plasira tako lose po tebi 😢
@ESCTom
@ESCTom Год назад
It was my number 1 this year
@LY-jm9vu
@LY-jm9vu Год назад
I wanted Finland to win but I accept Sweden takes the prize. Germany deserved last place; their entry was crap. Ditto for Spain. Eaea was my 37th song too.
@Werderina
@Werderina Год назад
Of course Germany always deserves last! 😂 as a result, more and more Germans are losing interest in this predetermined event.
@lgswed166
@lgswed166 Год назад
Sweden deserve to win .best good song 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@stefapapa6417
@stefapapa6417 3 месяца назад
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