Some of the first cars were electric the ICE under capitalism beat out the electric and steam vehicle. Only reason electric cars even exist now is government subsidies.
You really fall for this idiotic propaganda? Ever thought why Norway (much colder then Chicago) has worldwide highest EV adoption rate? 85 of 100 new cars there are pure electric. It was obviously a malfunction of the chargers or a power outage, but no problem of EVs. EVs loose range if the battery is cold, everybody knows that, but EVs are excessively tested to work at least down to -30 celsius/-22 farenheit
@@hanswallner2188We aren’t saying EVs can’t work in winter. We are saying that EVs drain battery quicker and take longer than usual time to fully charge them.
i dont have this problem i live in a small village in europe . i only charge my car at home as my routs are never exceeding what car can do on 1 charge. i dont see any point of buying ev if you travel on longer distances. i never travel more than 300km in both ways so for me is perfect as i only charge at my house @@tedyuan2066
@@lambrah2khmm. Two or three months in the year you can’t be confident in your ability to get from point a to b… nah. I mean I drive a scat pack so I’m in the same boat just for very different Reasons 😂😂😂
Reminds me of that Tesla owner that said Teslas were not made for cold weather and then opened the trunk with a ton of snow on it and it all slid into the trunk like it was meant to do that.
Remember when they'd turn their noses at us bad ICE people? They didn't have Flash Lights or cell phones that didn't work when too cold. All this helps the resale value of the EV... and think how bad NON Tesla owners have it?
I hate Tesla drivers, they all drive under the speed limit because I know deep down inside they have range anxiety, you never see them driving normal to fast at all, all slow and conservative
I hate Tesla drivers, they all drive under the speed limit because I know deep down inside they have range anxiety, you never see them driving normal to fast at all, all slow and conservative
@@brokenalgorithmwho cares about insurance in that case. The lawsuit from tesla would be a far bigger payout. Sure, you'll have to wait a bit but it will come.
Having to charge up twice a day and spend hours doing it just cracks me up! I get gas once every 8-10 days and it takes me about 6 minutes and costs less than $40.
It makes them FEEL so good about saving the world. The 8 year-olds working in the lithium mines and the extreme pollution created by the manufacturing of EVs apparently don't count.
@@dumbthingsyousee6969little do they know that more EVs means more money for oil & gas companies too. Guess how much of America’s electricity is generated by oil, natural gases, and coal? Exactly. In a way buying EVs and the increase demand of electricity means more customers/money for oil & gas companies 😂 funny how that works. In 2023 U.S. crude oil production increased to record highs and the trend looks like we’ll be having even more record highs in 2024 and 2025 so far. By trying to “go green” they’re doing the exact opposite and making our oil & gas sector better than it has ever been
Probably a diesel, but your right, looks kind of silly doesn't it. I think all EV cars/trucks should pull a small trailer with a gas generator ready to help out.
What ? WTF ? SERIOUSLY ? Hahaha 😂😂😂 Hahaha You mean to tell me Hahaha an electric car had to be Hahaha towed by a gas - powered vehicle? Ahahaha Ahahaha Ahahaha
Remember when EV owners would turn their noses at us bad ICE vehicle owning people? They didn't have Flash Lights or cell phones that didn't work when too cold. All this helps the resale value of the EV when it's BELOW 0?... and think how bad NON Tesla owners have it (F150 Lightning or Polestar to name a couple?)
@@henryhill3778 You waisted 60k on an electric golf cart didn't you? And now you are on the internet trying to feel something other than regret. Go stare at your power bill that will continue to rise since we got rid of coal listening to children instead of common sense.
@@MAKEITSTOP777the product is neither superior nor inferior as a product only to those who buy it, not for everyone and if it doesn’t fit the lifestyle or job type for example then it would clearly not be for you. I live in one of the southern states, doesn’t snow, own my home, charge from home and seldom rely on their superchargers. Costs me like $67 to charge almost daily overnight to 100 percent that entire month! Again there’s many factors involved and clearly some Tesla owners don’t get it or do their proper research.
@@LuisjusthereIt cost you that little because you don't pay the taxes used to maintain and build the roads which you use with your heavier vehicle along with the users of ICE powered cars who pay those taxes when they buy gasoline. I know that what you are doing is not err...unlawful but it's just another pure, unfair freebie available to the EV owners( for now) so...this kind of bragging is getting a bit rich of late don't you think?
Any EV owner who was stuck there is basically telling the world: I didn't do my research, and now I am paying dearly for it. Congratulations, you guys played yourselves.
Well it's hard when Tesla vastly overstates their range and every owner makes excuses for them and says things like "the average driver only drives 40 miles a day so you'll be fine"
@@tqlla EVs make sense for some. But I see far too many Teslas parked in apartment complexes. EVs are absolutely garbage in the cold. People with serious winters and no at home charging still buying Teslas is absolutely wild in the dumbest way. They weren't even cheap before the multiple price cuts.
how long does an ev charge last in a sitting vehicle without charging? How long does a tank of fuel in a sitting ICE vehicle last? A day vs months? Of course, the ICE vehicle might have a dead battery also....but one can carry out a hand held jumper and be on their way in minutes.@@Audioremedy0785
And your battery has depleted by a few percent as well due to normal sleeping (low power mode) ECM and other systems running. My gas engine only needs one battery to start. Diesels traditionally need 24volts to start.Seems like a minus to me that your diesel needs more power to start than my gas engine. The argument about less moving parts in a diesel to offset maint costs is a moot point when the injectors and DEF systems go to shit.
The Uber Driver's biggest mistake was buying an expensive car, such as an EV. You may save on gas, but you still have repairs. When you do these driving jobs, your car wears down faster. So, you don't use an expensive car.
I've seen so many idiot delivery drivers in brand new tesla's its hilarious. It will take them years to pay it off, maybe the battery will die before their last payment.
The uber drivers did not buy these teslas, they rent them on a weekly basis. Therefore they don’t have a home charging setup and are dependent on public charging.
These EV people have more time/money than common-sense which is why they can say such time-wasting things. Plug-in Hybrids makes sense to me because it's the best of both worlds today. But this straight EV push is just stupid. I don't got time to wait for my battery to 'pre-condition' nor play guessing games with my battery percentage. I'd rather just turn the key (or press the button) and just be on my way. If I need to gas up, I got plenty to choose from such that letting an engine idle in colder temperatures isn't as bad as letting a battery constantly drain itself to keep me warm while waiting.
@@terrancecloverfield6791if you have a charger at home and not an Uber driver like they interviewed. This is all a non-issue. Of course if you drive so much in a day you need to super charge, maybe pure EV isn’t for you. But most people do 50-100 miles a day and EV is fine for that.
@@SteveHulshof Sure, if you have an EV as a second vehicle. If EVs come down in price low enough to justify it, then it makes sense to me. I see 2022 Bolts go for around $16k now such that could be worth a look.
@@BG-ub5ogImagine a car that promotes sprawl and single family homes because unlike a gas car it's only at it's best with a private home charger and is of no use to someone who lives in an apartment or condo. What a waste!
@@BG-ub5og that argument is so bad. Cause you never have to take a different road to work to fill up your car. It usually takes me 10minutes more to work when I have to fill up the car. And since my car goes 700km on a tank, its not more than once a week. I am sure EV owners use a public charger once a week, but it does not take 10 minutes to fill it up.
Add to the problems finding a charge, when a cold battery must be hooked up to a fast charge location several times to keep things going the ultimate life span of the battery is being reduced very fast. As time goes on the battery will not hold a charge very long and must be replaced for $$$$$
My friend has a Model 3, he told me he got home yesterday he had around 60% and he left it outside with Sentry Mode on and this morning he had only 16%. That is absolutely nuts, and until battery technology in the cold improves I will never consider any EV.
I hate Tesla drivers, they all drive under the speed limit because I know deep down inside they have range anxiety, you never see them driving normal to fast at all, all slow and conservative
Remember when they'd turn their noses at us bad ICE people? They didn't have Flash Lights or cell phones that didn't work when too cold. All this helps the resale value of the EV... and think how bad NON Tesla owners have it?
soooo you mean batteries dont work when its really cold? I think waiting in an hour line up to charge your electric car in the winter for 2 hours is a pretty fitting punishment for being stupid enough to buy an EV in the first place
yes... only those who have no idea how bad EV`s is specially in winter buy them. EV`s battery HAVE to be heated to over freezing temperatures to be charged, if the battery is colder then that it will not charge, at all... If your EV do not have a battery heater it is completely useless in cold climate and even with a battery heater you risk that the heater is not powerful enough to heat it and and the charge connection is to weak to charge at the same time on a home connection. +++---
@@Audioremedy0785 Not unless they had a generator and I don't know of any who do. The one benefit a gas car would have in that scenario is that owners can easily store extra fuel at home for emergencies if they wish, but hardly anyone actually does. And if they did, they would have to cycle their supply every few months to keep it fresh since gas has a very limited shelf life.
To summarize the real problems - the problems are compounding: 1- Colder temperatures elongate EV charging time when they are not preconditioned to pre-warm the battery 2- There’s a huge amount of rideshare drivers that don’t understand the operation of EVs and likely didn’t plan for higher consumption and slower charging 3- Chargers were (and are!) still broken. Tesla had technicians at one of the sites I visited checking stalls, and superchargers are pretty much back running smoothly, but the other public chargers still are majorly lacking working units 4- Chicago already has a strained EV charging network. Add in longer charging durations with less working chargers and cars using more energy due to the cold and, well, shit hits the fan
For some reason I just don't feel sorry for those EV drivers. They fell for a pipe dream. I predict there's going to be a lot used EV's for sale after this. Hard lesson to learn.
Remember when they'd turn their noses at us bad ICE people? They didn't have Flash Lights or cell phones that didn't work when too cold. All this helps the resale value of the EV... and think how bad NON Tesla owners have it?
You need a garage. And we all know these fool doesn't have one. 😂😂😂 but then again, these car can burst into flame inside your garage so you're fucked regardless. 😂😂😂😂
Less and less people have single family homes every year and cannot install a fast charger. Most condos/apartments don't have them unless they are very new and installed during construction. I wouldn't even want to have one sitting in my garage charging at home because EVs can catch fire and burn down your house.
Yep,,,, Big bad ice machine... Remember when they'd turn their noses at us bad ICE people? They didn't have Flash Lights or cell phones that didn't work when too cold. All this helps the resale value of the EV... and think how bad NON Tesla owners have it?
NO WAY do you charge in a garage , haven't you see the fires? batteries don't work in the COLD. an EV battery drains even when not being used. and WHO HAS A FEW EXTRA HOURS TIME TO WAIT TO CHARGE THEM?
I’ll be sticking with the Internal Combustion Engine. It runs clean. Cost effective. Holds value. Fast fill up. Plenty of heat. No stress. G/L. I know you all mean well…. But I must be practical in this economic environment. 🙏🇺🇸
@@PelosiStockPortfolio I drive a EV (Tesla) but I’m utterly against government mandating it… but I also ride a Harley (non-EV). I believe the full scale adoption of EVs will happen naturally and forcing people to switch will only create resentment. Especially when gas/diesel is currently more practical for a lot of people. Not everybody works in an office and there’s far less EV support in a rural infrastructure. Support being charge stations, not the support of people. And even if all that changes in favor of EV adoption (and it will eventually), I’d *STILL* be against the government mandating it. I may drive a EV but I’m still very libertarian
Looks like a learning curb for people. Out on the farm we have to plug in all our diesel trucks to a block heater or else they won't start. Also last winter when we had a larage freeze there was a power outage and none of the gas pumps worked at the gas station. Bottom line is when it gets cold things don't work as well no matter what you drive. So if you know cold weather is coming and have a gas car top it off. If you have an ev keep it charged up before you leave home.
I charge my EV at home. I wake up every morning with a fully "fueled" car. I'm old, and remember gas rationing in the early 1980's. You could only fuel on even or odd days and FU if you were on a road trip. Yeah, yeah, that's not a problem these days. On the other hand, consider how few gasoline refineries there are in this country. Or how dependent we are on long-haul pipelines to move that refined product from there to here. There's always going to be extreme circumstances that are outside the sweet spot of any system that you have to manage.
@@Audioremedy0785in a few decades many of us won’t be here and second the technology will be far superior unlike today which is overpriced, unreliable s**t. 😊
The battery has to be around 70F to charge. The charger has to do that before it can even charge. Drivers sitting in the car don’t want to freeze either. That is really hard to do when it is so cold.
Nonsense, warm battery necessary for high charging rate, what you see here is obviously a problem with power outage of dead chargers for whatever reason, but not an EV problem.
@@hanswallner2188What we see is the effect of -20 degrees temperatures on EV batteries. I heard a lot of complaints of losing charge rapidly because the batteries don’t like the cold and drivers need heat. There are reasons why EVs are popular in California.
@@hanswallner2188 The guy in the video stated they wait an hour in line just to get to a charger, to then proceed to wait 2 hours for the charge to complete, just to have it drain faster than normal (Warm weather). It is absolutely an EV problem. My ICE gets worse gas mileage when its 0F sure, but I can be at a gas station for 5 minutes.
All batteries do horrible in cold including regular car batteries. It’s a nice idea electric cars but I prefer my combustion engine and good old petrol.
@rempseaheinamies9414 ok so it’s obvious you are a billionaire and don’t care about the rest of us struggling due to out of control inflation. It’s obvious you live in a secured gated community so you couldn’t care less about the safety of the rest of us with unsecured borders.
Anyone who has ever left their cordless drill in their vehicle over night and tried to use it after sitting in frigid temps saw this coming. Internal combustion is still king.
@@yakinikutabetai4780 -20 here today when I fired my Liberty up. No block heater and it stays outside in the cold. Hadn't fired it up for nearly a week. I don't start having starting issues until it hits -50 or so. Do that with an EV.
@@yakinikutabetai4780 you can't go zero to anything if you can't charge it. My liberty may not be fast, but at least it works in cold temps. Don't get me wrong, I WANT EVs to work. How else are we gonna get all the cool cyberpunk vehicles I grew up wanting?!? Trouble is, the tech isn't ready for real world use. Our batteries and charging technology still suck. Clear that hurdle and I can have cars from Shadowrun.
But they also want to push solar and wind that also fail in these cold climates so how do you charge something when power becomes scarce? Stop voting for the green idiots before they completely send us to third world status.
@@hanswallner2188 Norway gave citizens craploads of bribes and incentives to buy EVs and that's why Norwegians all went and bought EVs as their 2nd or 3rd car since it's heavily discounted, electricity itself is cheap there, there's breaks on parking and a bunch of other crap, and in the end if they don't work they can always switch back to the ICE vehicle.
That’s objectively untrue. When a Tesla knows it’s going to charge it starts a process on the battery 30-45 minutes before getting to the charger to optimise charging conditions. Which means it does it faster and also is better for the battery. But you don’t need to do it. And the car does this automatically for scheduled charges.
@@Audioremedy0785 So what you're saying is that it takes 45 minutes to warm up the battery to charge efficiently in cold weather otherwise you'll be sitting there for hours like those in the video.
@@somuchfortalent no I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying that. Jusy look up how it works. If the car knows it’s going to charge it prepares itself while driving for charging. This process saves a few minutes on the charging process but isn’t needed to be done. And it’s happens while the car is driving (or charging overnight) so has zero impact. And very few people don’t have chargers at home.
The batteries for these cars are expensive. The insurance is expensive. Mining for batteries is harmful to the environment. Bonus: Putting wind turbines in the ocean is harmful to marine life.
Yep! Remember when they'd turn their noses at us bad ICE people? They didn't have Flash Lights or cell phones that didn't work when too cold. All this helps the resale value of the EV... and think how bad NON Tesla owners have it?
That's bc ppl didn't learn about batteries before they bought it... Batteries don't do well in extreme temps -cold, hot, or excessive moisture. That's why I said I don't think EV will take over gas bc it doesn't do well in the element and ppl scoffed. I said just wait for a snow storm -flood, or heatwave and you'll see.
Same thing happened to me yesterday when I was heading towards Tesla supercharger with 14% battery. I had to get it towed to a service center. It’s not even a month since I got the car and I’m already thinking of selling it
Unfortunately you can't sell it because everyone else is also selling them and nobody with a brain wants one. Who would buy a used EV from you when they know every day older that cars gets the more worthless it gets especially once it hits 5 years old its worth literally NOTHING since you are gambling having to buy a new battery for it costing $20k.
Must be a hate love relationship a car that is supposed to be friendly to the environment yet the environment isn’t being too friendly in return. This is what happens when you try to fix something this isn’t broken.
in reality what materials they use to make these evs and the lithium battery they use that explode all the time is far beyond detrimental to the environment
@@dougveres6405 If EVs worked as advertised. Easy to build, cheap to buy, easy to fix, cheap to insure then I'd sign up next-day. But so far we've learned they're the EXACT opposite of what is promised.
I always feared the biggest problem for EV drivers was large scale adoption. While a niche, it would be easier....even in bad weather to find idle chargepoints. However when a herd exists, everyone is at the trough.
@@DeilGrist you'll need it no matter what. Do the math. If say 10 million more EVs are sold in the next two years to renters and old house neighborhood buyers that rely on charging every 200 miles (for a healthy long range battery) and every 100 miles for a short range city car like the MiniEV.... Then it will create the equivalent of a gas shortage like in the 70s. Tesla may or may not expand as that is a side hussle they originally did to jump start Tesla sales, but the other company chargers are about as consistent as a 2010 fleet of public deregulated phonebooths in the ghetto. A good home charge vehicle for a consistent commuter.
In internal combustion engines your batteries suffer during cold winter months. How could anyone think that a battery as the source of power would be a reliable source of transportation in cold weather?
A few years ago there was a show called Motor Mythbusters. One thing they tested was which drew down the charge on an electric car faster - heat or A/C. Turns out it was the heat.
That's why I have a 2009 Pontiac Vibe GT as a daily commuter. It doesn't care if it has to drive into a ditch or in a body of water, it doesn't care if it gets hit so you better move and it starts up without fail never leaving me stranded just oil consumption is it's drawback but I add oil as needed.
2009 G6 GXP here. Handled startup in recent -2F with no problem. Slightly worse mileage in the cold. Burns oil as well lol, about a quart every 2000 miles.
Have you noticed all the Used Electric Cars sitting on car lots.? I drive alot up and down the CA. State, I've noticed a lot of EV showing up in these used car lots. I've even seen newer used 2024 models just a few months old. That says it all, .. evidently not too many people like their EV . Looks like more are going back to Gas.
-30C here, took me a freezing 10 minutes to fill up my gas truck and drive away. EV's suck unless you can charge them at home, for those in condos, apartments etc good thing you have no where to be on time.
@@tsmatthx2 "but bolt euv and mach e charge when you plug them in" Wow. What magic voo doo is this?? A battery charges when you plug it in? I guess that is what Tesla is doing wrong. I don't like Tesla either, but you are just a moron. if you are going to troll, at least try to sound like you know what you are talking about, and *some* proper grammar helps as well.
