EV reliability is actually terrible. (And here's the proof.) | Auto Expert John Cadogan 

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Yeah, and Joe Biden doesn't have dementia either!

Nope. EVs are much more reliable. If by EV you mean Tesla.

DEBOOONKED!!! MY EV IS CAR IS RELIABLE CUZ IT HAS NO SERVICE PARTS WHICH REQUIRE SERVIC ING!! TAKE THAT!!! LUDDITES!!!!

CAPACITIVE TOUCH IS THE FUTURE OF TECHNOLOGY

David, not according to JD Powers.

There's always something you forgot... E.g. radiator hose deteriorated, leak, overheat, blow your head... Not worth repairing (maybe)

I have to service the 80 series soon. It'll be up to 6 months. I've done 550km since the last service. Nonetheless is going to be serviced again at or about 6 months.

@@MattBlack6 sounds like a waste of money. With those km, wait a year

@@MattBlack6 That's how you keep the engine bulletproof. Condensation and carbon are what ruin oil otherwise it would last for years. 👍👍

@@xpusostomosSounds like you are a deer with no eyes.

The big fella didn't want to elaborate on the details of the survey... wonder why

@Rocinantewow One of the few intelligent comments on this list of posts.

So your saying that people who buy tech heavy vehicles, can't work out how to connect their phones? The world is doomed. Just FYI, last I looked the longevity of both Kia and Hyundai are quite good, better resale in 3 years compared to electric equivalents, but I guess if you can't connect a phone to your vehicle, you have bigger problems.

They (JD Power) also do another survey for issues in the the first 3 years (look up "JD Power Dependability Survey) where they rank vehicles by order of number of issues in the three years since manufacture. They say that the three month survey is a good predictor of performance in three year survey..... The 2024 report has been released, Tesla did pretty badly in that one too.....

And dickheads who think it’s cool to drive around town with fog lights on.

Yeah, I hate driving at night now. Everyone has these bright as f#ck lights.

Funny you should mention that....there is knob in a street around the corner from where I live, and when he comes home at night, he turns on his high beam AND his light bar to literally drive about 40-50 m up the road to his home......I would not believe if unless I had seen it myself....on more than one occasion too.

All you need are a pair of Polarised sunglasses to kill the glare from oncoming headlights. Works day and night against all light sources 🎉

Play the game old chap! THAT'S not a headlight, THIS is a headlight. Cue to flicking switch that triggers relay with really thick wire that energises the aircraft landing lights in the spotlight holders 😀

It's all with the half-finished bells and whistles where one stupid thing knocks out everything... Up until recently, in order to redirect your air flow around the cabin you'd use a simple mechanical contraption to angle the winglets on your air ducts and be done with it. Now, such a simple thing can fail in a myriad of ways: the central tablet that controls everything can die, there can be buggy software, the angling motors may fail, their hall/other sensors too... There are at least 10 different things that can fail to replace something that would before this 'modern way of doing things' fail only if you stroke it with a 10lbs hammer (and even then, not catastrophically). And that's just simple cabin airflow control...

You're not far off then. average is slightly below 2 per car (195 per 100 cars).

@@ehb403 You left out the "in the first 90 days" part. You could argue that I didn't say that I wasn't. But I did think it was clear I was talking about "24 years of car ownership".

Don't forget the bottomless cup of Kool-Aid at the service department

You had me at unicorns, where do I sign up

And for convenience's sake those unicorn horns are on the seats.

Just stay away from startups. Tesla only exists because of my tax money kicking in to help the richest man in the world build a company, a bad company at that. I went with a Nissan EV and would get a Honda, Toyota, even a Ford or Chevy before I'd touch a startup EV. Startup fails, you are left with a car you cannot fix.

Some modern vehicles are not using CAN at all, everything goes on their own version of LAN, using TLS with their own, embedded, certificates. Good luck doing anything on them without stealing the company's diagnostic toolset...

I won't buy a product that refuse to works even repaired. Just like printer industry.

I have no data to refer to, but my sense is... software these days is the number one problem for EV's and primarily because the owner can't get at it to fix it. So who owns the car then? Feels like its whoever holds the licensing scheme - maybe they should pay for your insurance as title was issued as a fraud and also... pay for the battery disposal when the vehicle arrives at its mear term destiny of being unrepairable.

Family size should do it.

Here I was, thinking that a cob would be up to the task. I've obviously not seen any Irish Wolfhound emissions recently.

A pizza or calzone? Surely you mean a gluten free vegan mountain bread wrap?😂😂

That neighbor a couple houses down that is a dick? Your old lacrosse stick just got a new lease on life...

The newer the gas cars are, the less reliable and the more complicated to fix

Actually no , not all cars need fixing , I’m old , I used to work in the motor trade , I have had a lot of cars , my most poorly built gas car in recent decades , I did not have to put a spanner on it other than oil changes and very basic servicing for 7 years , at that stage , the motor needed a $3.00 o ring replaced and the aircon needed a gas up , the car , which was also a tow vehicle as well as being the family taxi went to do 17 years of faithful service with only normal consumables like a couple of batteries , an alternator, a coil pack , all of which where just normal wear and tear items and easily and fixable , I might add , the only time that particular car ever visited a dealer was for a wheel alignment. At the end of 17 years of service I retired her due to a hard life and a very beat up body that also had hail damage . I might add , that car still ran like a top and the engine, auto trans , and differential where all still unopened from the day it left the dealer 17 years earlier , it was a good car , not perfect , but it was very good . My replacement car , also doing family taxi duties , but a bit less towing these days , is now a tad over 7 years , so far the only time it has had any work done to it was basic servicing, and to replace the wiper blades and fit a tow bar and a battery to it , this one is a better built gas car than my last one , I expect this one to last as long as the old one and a bit longer . I could keep going with my 30 year old Lexus with its magnificent 1uzfe quad cam V8 , but you get the general drift , not all cars are created equal , and certainly electric cars are not even close to being a replacement for a good gas car.. That being said , you can buy crap gas cars if you don’t know the products or don’t do your research.

@@mikldude9376The issue is, most people don’t keep cars long enough. It’s the whole “I want new” mentality. That’s how the electric cult can get away with preaching, because no one keeps a car longer enough to truly need service. It’s the idiotic, “throw away” culture we live in now, which is also why so many people stay broke, and scream for a living wage.

These are early life, "zero kilometre" fails. These are considered the worst in the industry and they always go back to the dealer. Reliability is also likely more important for environmental sustainability than tailpipe emissions.

​@@mikldude9376 Good record Mikl! Regular, proper servicing lengthens ice cars lifetimes SO much!

Yeah, especially the ones proudly driving their Cyber truck down the road.

@@markthomas207 In a covid mask.

@@markthomas207 THEY THINK THEY ARE SAVING THE PLANETT

@​@DaveGreg100 Yeah .....while driving by themselves!😅😂!

You're right Richard Weyland.

Or Old Rovers

Did Renaults have electric wiring. I thought it was fencing wire wrapped in used burger wrappers. I learn new things every day!!!!!!

@@hogtownhenry Chicken wire wrapped in discarded baguette paper sleeves is exactly what the French call 'electrical wiring'. Sometimes they add a bit of color to it for a bit of flair, and if you complain that it doesn't follow any standards they tell you that you don't understand fashion.

At least they’re not as bad as Italian cars!

Except Tesla.

Strange considering they come out of the same factory.

Yes ICOD, quite right. Some years ago (I don't know if the situation has changed now) I decided I'd contribute to a JD Power survey. When I saw the nature of the questions I decided that it wasn't wise to take the results published without quite a large 'pinch of salt'. The questions to the contributor seemed mostly of the flavour ' Compared with your expectations (and then on to specific topic e.g. how comfortable was your car, or how smooth was the gearchange etc. etc.). If I spent several wheelbarrows full of my local currency on a car, my expectations would naturally be higher with regards scrutiny of atributes than just a bucketful ! Obviously, the number of 'reported faults' won't be quite so skewed by my observations.

BYD = Build Your Delusions MG = Mediocre Goods

And yet the most towed car by one of the countries auto clubs is an Izuzu ute. All cars have the potebtial for problems regardless of what fuel it uses. Do chinese cars break down more than europeans? Not sure about that, never owned chinese, but have had a few issues with euros over the years.

@@lesleypaterson1463 Ok mate, righto, ya got me with that one! What-the-heck is a 'burn your dog? A Unimog? I couldn't find an equivalent. Better tell me then go on. Probly sumthin obvious but I've missed it!

@@nevillegoddard4966 referring to a vid in which JC used every pejorative he could think of for BYD - hilarious

@@stephaniefairey8633 I'll bet! I've since found out that B.Y.D. is just an actual brand name like M.G., not an acronym or any kind of rhyming slang. It's just that I'd never heard of the brand before, from down here in Australia!

That's probably why Australian-delivered Teslas aren't as poorly made as US domestic market ones

Complete with VINYL SEATS!🪣💩🤣

Actually Fremont California has a better Build Quality than Shanghai China.

@@nuthinasitseems5213 That’s my understanding as well…

@@nuthinasitseems5213 nope. A simple google search says you are wrong.

You see Ad's on RU-vid...? Wow, not seen one of them for a while... lol

I haven't seen any ad for so long. Can't stand them. Ad blocker stops them fo me

That they were transporting the teslas somewhere and instead of paying for 5 drivers they just got a lorry to carry them?

@@Jcewazhere I dont believe the "AA" offer that service, they are for Breakdowns.

Five, five broken Teslas! Ha! Ha! Ha! (I was channeling my inner Count from Sesame Street.)

The US built Toyotas aren't anything like as good as the Japanese.

Try Korea and Thailand. Very few cars that come here are made in Nippon.

Missing the point. The subject matter is about EVs. Dropstar vehicles are made in China. The USA and ourselves both get cars from the same factory

In what alternate universe are Hyundais made in Japan?

@xpusostomos don't be mean, his basic point was good.

Life is a shit sandwich, the more bread you have, the less shit you have to eat........

@sean, As I've remarked to an earlier comment, by my personal experience the JD POWER survey questions were based on owners 'expectations' (questions were, don't know about nowadays). I would expect to be giving a higher mark out of ten to a car classed as a 'luxury' brand (e.g BMW etc) compared to a Chevy of Hyundai. Compared to 'expectations' the luxury brand would get an overall lower mark out of ten for an issue than the same fault in the budget brand. Consequently, generally the different brands suffer a 'marking' bias.

That reminds me: what preppers are really about in the final analysis is... surviving government stupidity. Natural disasters are a modest inconvenience by comparison. Anyway, get your Lockdowners out of office - the sooner the better.

I drive 300 miles for just $9. Unless you like wasting money, a Tesla is the best value on the market.

@@davidbeppler3032 Your insurance cost are higher and you have limited range. Climate change is not real.

@@davidbeppler3032 thats not how a EV works.

Savings vary. Around where you work and live, assuming you are charging at home and driving a lot but less than a couple of hundred miles each day, EVs can save you lots of money. On a long trip, where you’ll need to charge at superchargers, it can cost more like what you’d pay to gas up, though in most cases you’ll probably still save money, especially with a Model 3, or Model Y, or similarly efficient EV.

@garagesale5948 it's a free world, do whatever you want

True, mine aren't that reliable, but they sure are delicious.

Ok, so I just got to the pole dancing bit... I honestly posted my first comment before seeing that! Good work, dude

Yes, they all are very unreliable but some are extremely bad.

Desperate disinformation, rationalizing EV haters

@@rp9674desperate denial much?

If they really wanted to know about EVS, they could ask someone who owns one, not a bunch of BS they heard from someone who heard something on the Internet

@@rp9674 no they would lie about how good they are because they made a mistake.

You mean a BT-50 built by Isuzu?

@@xpusostomos Nope.

Mazda's poor showing in the survey is probably due to either US or Mexican build quality of the examples included. They're both as crap as each other, which would also explain why Toyota's JD Power score is so bad when compared with Lexus.

The Mazda we get in Australia seem to be ok as every second car on road is one.

@@JasonISF Toyota far outnumber Mazda.

The quintessential 'Prince of Darkness'!

Give Joe a break. At least I can follow his wiring diagrams.

They just don't make electrical systems with that superb level of high reliability anymore. That's why my mother in laws Toyota Corolla was factory fitted with Lucas parts.

Easy. I hate kids.

You do realise that all that heavy breathing contains carbon right?

lol fart contribute more to global warming. you should eat and use less energy, try E-bike.

Yep, and as a cyclist one can be just as much of an insufferable prick as an EV driver at a fraction of the cost.

With all the gas that comes out of both ends of you, you are just as polluting as the average car lol..

@@xpusostomos Well, an electric bike with thin tires and charged on 'green' electricity is arguably the most CO2-efficient mode of people transportation, including walking.

Sophistry alert

Your talkin out ur ass

Conclusion: You better pay well if you want a JD Power award.

'All NEW cars are crap' , there fixed it for ya .

Correct. JDP exists to milk money from the OEM’s. If you want to know what the customers complained about….OEM has to pay JDP for the info.

It costs more oil product to manufacture the car than gas cars use up over their entire lifetime, No amount of simping fixes that

This story is average initial quality only, nothing about dirty and clogged parts. Bet you replace your battery before the ICE needs a new motor though.

@@ehb403 Unlikely. I would say there's an equal long term chance. And many batteries only need 'dead cells' replaced, rather than the entire battery itself. Thus significantly reducing the cost, if it happens.

@@ehb403 well, my EV isn’t new anymore, and most people don’t buy a new car. So that story applies to most people. The EV’s we get in the workshop just come for an inspection, AC service or tires. We haven’t had a broken battery in the shop or a battery that goes on fire everyday.

@@ehb403 doubt it. My EV battery is rated for 3000 full charge cycles before the battery is down to 70% of initial range. I charge once a week, so over 50 years of charging. Doubt I will keep the car that long. How many ICE motors last 50+ years?

@@RickKean ICE only last 50 years if you rebuild them regularly.

Tesla will be bankrupt in a year.

Just a passing fad like when the automobile came out to replace the horse and buggy

@@lenimbery7038 Go ask the Amish.

Poleaxed

high-priced stripper. may look good but will either leave you compromised and/or empty your bank account.

Poofster

imPoster. Pretending to be a Volvo (not that Volvos are any better nowadays)...

More poofster

The big concern here is that a warranty is only useful if the manufacturer does not go bust, no manufacturer, no warranty unless it is a third party insurance backed one. Some will inevitably go under, EV and ICE.

Yeah. Also would be nice to breakdown the severity of these. Like cosmetic issues, minor issues vs having to get the vehicle towed for a defect. All are important, but would be good to know which are having major issues.

"First 90 days only tells the assembly quality"????? Why ever would you think build quality and quality control are only significant for the first 3 months? If the manufacturer doesn't attend to build quality what makes you think they will invest in high quality materials and engineering? Cheap is cheap. If you think build quality and QC doesn't matter, check out the RU-vids on Cherys' rear axles falling off because of very avoidable shit welding.

Agreed!!! They are BRILLIANT!👍

Best advice: Never play with it in public.

@@AutoExpertJC best advice don’t buy a car wankers tend to buy

@@AutoExpertJC they usually watch cnn aswell lol

So has Toyota. They do not see the future as electric. I believe a few other names are going that way too.

BYD Seal has manual controls like gear shifter and indicators etc. Great car.

The manufacturers need to justify the huge price tags.

The ironic part is for the average person, not first adopter, and easy to use cheap daily commuter is the most useful type of EV for them. All the extra technology just makes it harder to use for them and drives up the price. But all these EV companies are so busy trying to copy Tesla, they don’t see it.

Not any more actually, EVs when compared to similar quality gas cars are actually similar price. There is not cheap segment which makes the average higher and is desperately needed as well.

@@edouglasroche So weird, considering the technology is no more advanced than a $300 android phone.

Quite happy with the lack of extraneous buttons on my Tesla thanks

@@wildcolonialboy1070 Thanks for the advice, I’d better remove that Army experimental 60kW roof mounted laser from my EV when driving through your fire zone. 😜

Electrified garage. Rich is your guy!

"Most batteries in EVs are made for the whole thing to fail and replace no modularity in most cases" No they aren't.

Yep Rams are the new penis extension mobile here in Australia

They sold only 5 vehicles and made sure that at least 2 of those came out properly bolted. Easy to keep good reliability with low sales...

​@@zwerkoA US JD Power survey , so would expect plenty of RAMs sampled.

No. It also doesn't distinguish between "Dead cell, replace entire battery", or a "fuel cap loose" evap code either.

Yes, the criteria is any fault that would require you to visit a service center or that you cannot permanently resolve on your own.

It also concentrates on the time period when your car is under warranty.

@@GetOffMyyLawn no, it's any fault that requires a service visit, no matter how minor.

Lol. Wasting precious time at the service centre over multiple piddling little annoyances ain't really the gotcha you think it is.

Lefteis. Do-gooders. Greenies. Planet Saving Virtue Signallers. Some Govt IT contractors.

Chris Bowen.

Electric motors are relatively simple with few moving parts. They should( in theory) be long life and relatively easy and cheap to replace if they do fail. Unless the car manufacturers deliberately design it otherwise (which they undoubtedly will do). Most things on a modern car seems to be purposely made to be extremely labour intensive and costly to replace.

@@philiphumphrey1548 It seems EV battery packs are danged near impossible to replace economically.

Motors are incredibly reliable. You've owned enough batteries to know how they work. Aside from that, there's the variable frequency inverter. Inverters have been known to fail. The rest of an EV is car, and cars are %h!t.

Because the battery and engine EV/ICE respectively are the most expensive parts and most likely to fail.

@@xpusostomos When was the last time you experienced a major failure in an ICE vehicle?

It doesn't mean that EVs don't have a ways to go to address some legitimate concerns. The Blazer EV release was a dumpster fire for GM and the Cybertruck seems to not be up to Tesla standards

What does that take away from the conclusion that the overall quality of EV's is terrible? If Honda or any other car manufacturer sells an ICE powered car that has consistent problems with the electric windows, that's a lack of quality as well. The same goes for EV's, whether you like it or not.

This dude will yap about anything EV

They’re golf carts …. Anything to disguise the fact , they’ll bolt on !!!

@@DreDresChapters well the downsides of EVs are endless.

@@JackOfski & the accidental Whoopies of oops we just burned 137 billion gallons of gasoline annually is all the same🤣 Let me know the next time you get a lithium spill in the ocean, I’ll go pick it up

Most electric cars use lithium ion, the battery equivalent of a box of fireworks. Most home systems (excluding Tesla) use LiFePo4 batteries, which can burn but you have to try pretty hard to make them go up.

"installed in your home" Pretty sure you'll find he never said that.

@@stusue9733 If you have solar panels on your home, where do you install your storage batteries, down the effin' street? My priest keeps telling me God is infallible. I disagree. He should have made ignorance and stupidity painful.

@@jimjones-pz1tt Here let me make it easier for you. "in" Clear? One wonders why you would want to live in pain?

@@stusue9733 Most solar storage battery systems are installed INSIDE buildings or INSIDE attached garages. Google "solar battery storage installations," select images and tell me what percentage are inside buildings and what percentage are attached to the outside walls of buildings.

Solar installs come with parts and workmanship warranties, my installers replaced any tile they broke and if there was a leak ect they’d come and fix it.

and a hail storm.

@@nicko97097 fairenough

@@seanworkman431 Where I live there are a lot of newcar storage facilities because of the low incidence of hail in my area so they say.

@@seanworkman4312012 waited a year for 300w premium sun power German panels ( most panels were 175w) as I didn’t have much roof facing north. Year later hail damaged them. Only 5-6 cells each but yeah still stuffed. Had to argue withNRMA for like for like replacement- the wanted Chinese crap.

That would be illegal in most countries. 🚓

When I got my new Soul, they mailed the tags to me. California here.

Okay, so when we talk about the severity of EV fires being worse than ICE fires, you're cool with that? Just clarifying...

What, like £2800 for a 12 volt battery if you leave it parked for a couple of weeks while you are on holiday!

Facts are facts, regardless of the source or who benefits. Can you dispute the data presented? EVs aren't reliable, we already knew this. My brother encountered a Tesla in the wild last week that randomly decided it wouldn't open. This required a car transporter, as it cannot be towed, and nobody local can fix it.

I strongly suspect that the data is skewed by Tesla. A consumer magazine in the UK known for independence does a regular car reliability survey and Tesla ranks lowest every year.

@@Patrick-857Facts are not facts unless they come from a completely unbiased source. I’m not saying Teslas are squeaky clean. I’m just suggesting that there could be incentives to seek out certain unreliability issues that skews the facts in favour of one type of vehicle such as ICE vehicles. Statistics can tell us whatever the researcher wants us to hear depending on how this research is done. Especially when the company doing the research may have benefitted from one particular outcome over another.

@@ts757arseDo you mean skewed in Murica and not in the UK? Fair point if Musk is also manipulating stats in his area.

@@jonathanshaw-brown1894 I mean skewed as in Tesla being unreliable brings down EV reliability stats in general. I'll be more interested when the established manufacturers have got a few years of data on relatively mature platforms.

Magic fairy stuff !!!

As long as you put a 6kW flood light on your roof, plugged into the neighbours power point.

Simple truck with massive diesel from Cummins, should be reliable

Mazda bad on that list i noted, Mazda fine in my garage 🙃

​@@xpusostomosMakes sense. I'm sure those engines are great. Knowing Ram was owned by Stellantis was my biggest concern.

@@mnkybndit I thought it was part of GM , or did I get it wrong

@markchapman1757 hydrogen vehicles will never be financially viable. Hydrogen will continue to be very expensive and hard to distribute.

@@GraemeHart8888 This. I have no idea why people think Hydrogen will be a savour when it's insanely expensive to produce. The only 'cheap' way to get Hydrogen in the future is from the moon (not a joke by the way, but we have no way to 'get it back to earth').

They are rated using the same scale and methodology. What's your point, if there was one?

In California, check engine light is the kiss of death for older vehicles. CARB got some big teeth.

​@@Noah_Eobviously drivers not understanding warning chimes doesn't reflect reliability.

Nope, don't get your point. Money doesn't mean better, dude !

Messrs Ponzi and Savundra were also very wealthy.