EV Rivian Pickup Recovery on Fins And Things Trail 

Glad they took care of it.

they look overbuild till you consider the weight. look at a prerunner. like a desert race truck. they are substantially more built up in the suspension then the rivian is but weigh less then 4500 lbs. nothing that weighs 10000lbs but has independent front suspension is going to be particularly reliable. that tie rod was pitiful, looked like a tie rod off my volvo sedan. someone is going to make a killing selling like 1000$ worth of fab and metal for like 15k$ in a suspension kit to these rich rivian dudes like yourself. ev is such a novelty lol ill stick with my land cruiser or my ford ranger 4x4 thank you very much. ever been under a 95 land cruiser? in comparison to your "truck" the land cruiser has solid full size military axles with pitman style strut driven steering witch is like 10x stronger with a higher safety factor then your "truck". land cruiser has front and rear 4link, idk where that is on your "truck". also the land cruiser is so much more over built then your "truck" but weighs so much less which means that it can literally jump. high. like 8-10 feet. it can take fucking jumps. can your "truck" take jumps? ill tell you the answer- yea it can- once. i predict that your truck is going to be a nightmare if you keep actually trying to use it off road, and you are going to inevitably spend more then 20k trying to make it into a reliable off roader. will it ever achieve that status? maybe the same way that a h1 hummer is technically an off-road vehicle....... but is useless for any trail riding and pretty much are only good for driving around in sand.

im sorry but 11000lbs? and yall really took it where you took it? your lucky trail mater is so professional because honestly you deserve an ear beating for that lack of foresight and awareness.

@@aylahughes9185 oh my god cool story bro shut up

@@aylahughes9185 Did you notice the '94 Land Cruiser in the video that was with us also. I agree it's not a perfect "truck" for off-roading but it sure is a lot of fun. Can it jump? Yes, actually it can maybe not 8-10ft, not seeing the necessity to doing that though. We will be putting that on our RU-vid channel in a week or so. It definitely is a solid truck weighing in at 7K, not sure where you got the 10K. Having ridden in the land cruiser on Hell's Revenge and Shafer Trail in Canyonland after doing Chicken Corner in the Rivian, I can tell you the Rivian's ride was way smoother. It is a fun truck but it isn't for everyone.

Right? "We have shirts! Buy them! Kthxbye!", short and to the point 🤣

@ 1one3 Racing Well Said...no clickbait, no BS and No major interruption(s).

What about the inevitable MaterSauce?

@@ReachOutToWilliam then they'd have to introduce a lunch to every episode put the sauce on everything and pretend it doesn't taste like shit.

AbsoF'ingLutly!!! LOVE IT :)

You mean like that insurance fraudster Matts offroad recovery?

@@mattbrew11 was there a legal conclusion to that? I never did follow it to the end. I thought it was still ongoing.

@@MIGHTYX2010 it is ongoing

@@mattbrew11 okay well let's see how it ends. I'd hate to see Matt's name get tarnished if he's innocent because he has done some good fundraising stuff. Especially at the hands of an insurance company. I know every time I've needed my insurance, that I pay for every single month on time, no late payments it is always been a fight and my small claims have always been legit.

Rory and Paul. The only ones worth watching. Paul is playing the You Tube game a little harder, but they are both Real Deal.

Wheel alignment ? No problem ( grabs pipe wrench ). I just love these new fangled space trucks :)

I wish people wouldn’t use exaggerated click bait titles and would just stick to the facts / truth! 🤷‍♂️

@@georgevinson612 Probably because most of them can’t answer a simple question about their product they can only slag off the competition to try to convince you their product is best! I’ve had to get to the point of forcibly demanding an Anglian Double Glazing salesman leave my house as all he was able to do was slag of Rehau products, he didn’t know why “Anglian are better!” 🤣🤣 I guess the answer you really wanted is because they are lying bastards! 🤪

No concerns about welding on an electric vehicle?

Amen. Rory is all cattle, no hat.

Best compliment ever.... Haha.

idk, that truck looks badass to me. better than the grocery getter rivian

That truck is awesome truly anti vegan. I love it

I’ve thought that before, also. If I won the lottery, and could have any vehicle I could dream of, it might be Mater

It is not cheap. It's affordable, compared to the alternative.

@@Telephony954 you just repeated what he said but with different words lol

@My Pronoun is WTF I always wonder what these repairs cost and how long were they sitting there. Dit it cost a $1000, waiting a day to find someone?

People toss a lot of crap unnecessarily at 2 link these days

Yup. good to see people using them for what their built for.

@@curtisbme for the cost of one of those rivian status symbol trucks. You could have 2 fully built offroad rigs

@@shawnhenderson1130 Sure, lower end ones. And you can spend a lot more on an offroad rig for higher end models and customizations. Don't think anyone is claiming Rivian is the best choice for everyone for any specific use case.

@@curtisbme They were NOT built for going on these trails

@@415s30 Uh.. Ok bud. Thanks for offering your rando opinion that isn't remotely based in reality. I'll file it in the appropriate receptacle.

I was about to comment about that turn too. How did he do that??

@@josearguello6989 took the rear axle out of gear, and drug the brakes too.

you are comparing a stock production vehicle with stock tyres to a custom built trail recovery vehicle or any trail vehicle?

@@swapnilmankame obviously the stock EV truck was not designed to drive on trails like this... But it had plenty of traction to get up the incline without the help of a winch if the 4x4 system was better at preventing wheel slip 🙂

And yet stil the part that broke( and looked small) was old tech, cant wait to see a stript out rivian on 44" tyres

100$k trucks lol

@@martijnbrandt7553 with a 10 mile range 🤣

Yep.. Everyone is playing catch-up

That tie rod looks like a kid's atv tie rod.

Agree. That tie rod looks way too small for handling the forces of that much weight.

It reminds me of the pencil thin ones the GM 2500s have.

I agree. Way too small. Doesn't take an engineering degree to see that.

True, did you notice the size of the brake caliper? New Broncos are having the same problem. Manufacturers are cutting weight and costs in the wrong places. Has nothing to do with the potential for the rest of the vehicle.

Weight is not a friend in this kind of environment with tires made for the road.

@@larrybe2900 who says they had road tires? They sell offroad tires/wheels from the factory...

@@AaronShegrud 4:18 Does show a better look at the tread and I stand corrected. I wonder how they are doing getting the part they need?

Third World answers to First World issues 👍😜

ev saved by using arcing electricity ! 😂

I imagine that the vehicle will use more power than people estimate and account for, so I think dead EV's on the trail will be a larger problem in the near future. But I also think the welders that are currently on the market, like Rory uses in this video, could be adapted to charge EV's... Would probably just take forever LOL

@@Odins-Dad why would it take forever? like all you would need is an oscilloscope and a multi meter to figure out all the data you would need. there are already a bunch of people charging off of generators a welder is just a generator.

@@aylahughes9185 ah, I meant it would take forever to charge. So the comparison comes down to how much work would it take to tow the dead EV out vs waiting for it to charge. I dont know how many KWH one of those welders puts out (too lazy to do the research right now lol). But now that I think about it, you really just need enough charge to get them to the nearest EV charger. So like, 30 minutes maybe? A couple hours at most?

Next best thing to actual steering brakes. ^^

It raises from 9" (Sport Mode) to 15" (Off Road).

@@lesleythornton2874 Huh, I wonder how it adjusts camber through such a huge change in lift, must have self-adjusting control arms or something.

@@Mick_A_Knuckle I believe it has adjustable air suspension or as Rivian calls it independent air suspension. It has pressurized flexible rubber bellows or what you might call air springs.

@@lesleythornton2874 Yes, the ride height is controlled through air springs, but I was curious about changes in camber at the higher ride height. Did some digging, and found that the truck defaults to the standard ride height when it's shut off, or maybe even while driving on smooth level ground. So the camber is set for the standard ride height with the reasonable assumption that not a lot of driving will occur in the raised position.

@@georgevinson612 or bring a fuel powered generator to charge the electric vehicle

@@kdoeone battery packs exist that can be pre-charged to take to someone tesla does that. not saying that's what they would do since a generator is probably easier but uknown always an option

@@kdoeone Did you watch the video? The truck had charge.

@@georgevinson612 Why would it need to be gas-powered?

EV drivers hardly ever run out of power in the main battery. They’re usually very aware of their situation. On slow speeds the range goes up immensely and the power goes up downhill . The most common reason an EV breaks down is the 12v battery which is needed for the switches. The fix is easy just like on ice cars. The same goes for insufficient axles. The art is to know when not to use the torque you have.

They're out there! You'll be seeing more of them. There have been plenty of Jeep 4xe Hybrids running these trails already.

@@lindaspins I have no doubt that the hybrids are already out there. A little surprising full EV's though. Just a new way of off-roading.

Some EVs have a pull out plug to isolate the batteries, some have a cable you cut. No clue about Rivian, but I know I have never welded on a car without disconnecting the battery completely. Electric cars are the future, but at the moment there is a lot of perfectly understandable ignorance about best practice and what is safe to do and what isn't.

@@ForeverNeverwhere1 the ground clamp was less than 12" away, it's fine.

@@secret5. True, but why chance it, any of those modules are crazy expensive, if it's even available. Plus then it won't move, and have be yanked outa there.

@@georgevinson612 Here at the GM dealer, most all new model trucks have a safety feature that prevents shifting to neutral under certain conditions and the electronic parking brake applied. Real pain in the ass to get them into service bay with all 4 wheels locked up.

The main battery is always disconnected when the car is switched off.The 12v battery is needed to drive the relays and connect the hv system.

Not yet, we tried getting a couple extra tie rods but they weren't willing to hand any extras over..LOL. Our son ordered one from the Ford Dealer in Moab hoping it would work but it was too short...dang it. Could have been a pretty easy fix. Not complaining though Rivian did take care very good care of us.

@@lesleythornton2874 Glad to see you here in the comment section. Any idea when the aftermarket will respond, and create non authorized repair parts?

@@om617yota8 Rivian told us it will be about a year. They are wanting to get 25,000 on the road first.

The more people buy them and the longer they are around, the easier it'll get to find parts!

Not many in junk yards yet! Lol

@@bachaddict Oh Yea...You mean JUST LIKE TESLA? HA HA HA . Dont hold your breath.

@@jim-ce5kt I'm talking many years, yeah can't hold my breath that long

You'll be waiting a while. Towing uses too much battery power. The battery that will eventually power trucks has not been invented yet. A 1000 lb battery holds @ 3 gallons of gas worth of energy. That's not good enough yet. EV's have a long way to go. Someday they will be incredible.

@@TheBandit7613 there are plenty of vehicles that fit my bill of they were engineered correctly. Hell, a hybrid Toyota Camry would do the job. It's the fact they make the battery an integral part of the body that means almost every electric or petrol-electric hybrid drops its 2000kg towing down to 500kg. The Rivian would do what I want it to do no problems. But its ugly. The Tesla model x would work but are $200,000. The Mercedes EQC is close but only 1800kg. The longest journey I do is 1000km and we currently take 2 breaks so as long as I get ~400km range towing my ~1500 race car I'm happy. I rarely tow 2000kg and never long distance anymore. I'm just tired of putting $150 worth of diesel in my BMW every other week. EV with 500km range would need a charge once a week and a charge costs about $40 so cheaper and easier and no having to line up at the cheap petrol station anymore

@@1one3_Racing I tow heavy, 15,000 lbs (6800 k) I saw a tow test for the Rivian and it didn't make it to the place they were going to do the test. When I tow, I want no drama. No country has enough grid power for an electric fleet. Imagine 150,000,000 people coming home from work and plugging in their 240 volt 50 amp charger. Instant blackout. Electric won't work for me anyway. Living in the western US, distances are vast, services few. I have a Ford F350. Filling it with diesel is not pleasant.

@@TheBandit7613 we live in rural Eastern Washington so totally see where you are coming from. That was truly part of the challenge getting to Moab was finding enough chargers along the way. The infrastructure really isn't there yet. Moab itself could use a few more chargers, they only had one that was a 50 KWh.

@@TheBandit7613 I've made the same argument and Driving 4 Answers said the same thing. No country could handle the extra electricity demands. For me and my situation, an EV would work. It would be slightly cheaper to run, plus there's no oil changes. The only drama being I tow my race car around sometimes. One thing the internet has taught me is that Australians are a lot more sensible in their driving habits. If you live in Melbourne and there's something you want in Cairns, you just don't buy it. Or Perth. Australia is almost as big as America but except for trucks nobody drives more than 1000km except for touring/caravaning/ or on occasion. Nobody tows more than around 2000kg. Some business owners will tow a bobcat or something up to 3000kg. Again, except for caravans. Americans will tow a 50' enclosed car trailer 3500 miles with 3 cars in it just for a 7 second drag race then go home again. That's just seems crazy to us.

A multi day adventure I assume would go poorly

@@boejiden1065 EVs don't lose range going slowly. How many multi day adventures in MOAB cover 300 miles?

@@DiscoFang but they do lose power when. They are on waiting to get on an obstacle or using winches, powering the AC if they raise their pinky when they drink. It’s not just about the range when wheeling or out on and adventure.

@@hawkman302 Well work it out rather than making statements up from the air. Air Con uses approximately 1kW to run, so each hour uses 1kWh. The mid model Rivian has a useable 135kWh battery so standing still that’s 135hrs. If you’re using the AC full power for, say, 10 hrs a day that’s 2 weeks. A 12,000lb winch will be around 4.5kW so run that for 3 mins 5 times a day and you’ve only used just over 1kWh. Get over your fears of math.

@@hawkman302 So to clarify, a 3 day adventure using AC 10 hrs a day, and the winch 15 times for 3 mins each would take about 30+3.5=35kWh leaving 100kWh which should easily get 200+miles at the low speeds of a rock crawl. It’s wind resistance at speed that really saps power.

Yeah it's ugly. I roamed those trails before there was any black. It was easy to get lost back then. Impossible to get lost now. It was also rare to see other vehicles back then. Miss those days.