EVE Fanfest 2015: Confessions of an EVE Trillionaire 

TheNukaColaQuantum It has taught me psychopaths like you should not be playing vidya :^)

Maurice Macouille lol eejit

+TheNukaColaQuantum Or you can just not play with shitty people. That works too...

+TheNukaColaQuantum i agree with the don't get attached, but i don't backstab..i just don't get involved or attached..in otherwords don't trust. What i don't understand is why men/boys have to play as females?(female avatars)

+john banks that's a seriously dumb thing to ask

yeah. trading in Eve is like buy low and selling high. The best example is eBay. You contact the manufacture and ask to produce and deliver the product to you. Once you receive the product, you then market it and list it on eBay. This supply chain model is call wholesaling. Companies like Target, Walmart, Sears, Macy do the exact same thing.

Eve is a true free market. Normal nations have massive restrictions on banking and trade which stifles growth, but protects those who could easily be exploited. It's a trade off that is either worth it, or oppressive, depending on your political bent.

In a way that's true, but pretending it's as easy to make money in the real world as in eve is ridiculous. Making money in the real world requires a lot more hard work and a higher initial investment cost, as well as a large number of other considerations. For instance, if someone gave me 70,000 dollars, I'd immediately invest all of it and just by using Google could have a reliable investment portfolio that might make me another 10-20,000 dollars in 1-3 months. I'd then reinvest that and make 30,000 the next three months. And keep going until I get a good amount built up and make some long term investments while living off the dividends etc. That's basically what I did with my high school investment portfolio project, made me realize how easy trading can be. The problem is, you need 70,000 dollars in liquid cash. Who the fuck has that except people who are already rich? These people find that they are able to maintain their jobs, maintain a comfortable standard of living, and have a shit ton of fun in EVE and be space rich. Not a bad deal at all. Meanwhile, if they invested all that EVE time into the real world, sure they'd have a lot more money! But it would take YEARS for them to really start making the big cash. The only way to get rich quick is a combination of hard work, intelligence, and an obscene amount of luck. Bill Gates didn't know he'd become what he is now. He worked his ass off learning to code, and decided to make a new operating system because he thought current ones were shit. Turns out he had some damn good ideas, and his company ballooned up around him.

***** Obviously it isn't as easy to make money in real life as it is in EVE. All I'm saying is that the richest people in EVE have shown that they can read markets, predict market trends, find a niche, invest correctly, etc. If they could take all the time and effort they've spent playing EVE and instead dedicated it to day trading or starting a business, they'd be better off in life than they are now, that's for sure. Games are fun, but they're just games. None of it translates back to the real world, and I tend to see massive achievements like being the richest person in EVE online as a monumental waste of time and effort. That's the reason I never played the game past the free trial. It felt too much like a second life to juggle with the first. I'd much rather spend my days improving my real life than improving a false one.

IAN 4000 Or he can do both.

+Nerdbuster He's still paying for it with his time.

Yeah... thats what people do when they play a game.

I was talking with him on Rookie Chat the other day.

Unless you bot lol

Nope The grind start when you have a decent ship for ratting i guess

Ah but re-incarnation is real in real life lol.

Ha lies

Outy Man It's easier to get starting capital in Eve than RL, which is why we do it.

Good job on the self-awareness! If you don't enjoy it (anymore), why bother doing it? :)

What did you expect? lol

+platinum Angel ayo hol up *smacks lips

DX

Share with us what it feels like to be married

***** They don't call marriage an institution for no reason.

Nevertheless, i would like to get married someday. It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.

As a married man, I don't share your point of view. A lot depends on the attitude one brings into it. With love, as with war, "The most committed wins."

yes loved and lost your kids home car 50+% of your $$$ etc etc. And what about LOVED you dont need to get married to love someone my grandparents were 72 and 68 and were just together for over 40 years never married yet they were happy.

oddly enough ccp did that for us

Lmao plex price crash?

All time low

All time high @@michaelkaba7481

It is dull as fuck 😴

Borislav Mitev EVE is what you make it for yourself.

Borislav Mitev eve itself is a place to learn how to do business and learn economy

Borislav Mitev There aren't any aliens in Eve. Aside from that, it's a spread sheet game unless you just want to do the same handful of missions over and over for very little reward.

Borislav Mitev it is, just no aliens only mad russians and angry germans

+Borislav Mitev no EVE is marketed as a Sci-fi pew pew game, but in fact it's a spreadsheet simulation. I stoped playing because I do the same thing at work, and I prefer to earn real money than ISK or "prestige" from other players.

If you want a guy who will not ask for shit like that you could recruit me. in-game name is Piraxiss.

Corbin Cavitt lmao true i only joined corps in the beginning because they were offering isk and ships but i got isk now so i join for fun

+Kevin Colt ive been playing eve for 5 years and only ever paid for 1 months subscription, its a brilliant :)

zaqq Can get cheap eve also from a good site , like buy4games.com

evans max lolol

+evans max ROFL more expensive to buy than plex.

He could really do that! Make a fortune on EVE again and repeat? Sounds like a fun hobby

Your a effin idiot

Yeaqh, that is this game. Ganking and griefing. Garbage people.

nah its not even close to 280 USD.... 1 bil can be bought for 10€ at illegal pages

***** That's my whole point. People keep trying to make tutorials and panels about a subject that is summed up in "Buy low, sell high". This was a total waste of a panel. After 20 minutes, the crux of the thing was "Buy low, sell high." There's no need to reiterate that and make up 20 minutes of content that doesn't help anyone. Every article about trading, every video about trading, every panel about trading is the same damn message at the end of the day. People think they are about to learn secrets to trading and there is no secret because it takes understanding the economy and knowing what affects what in-game (and external factors even) about PLEX and expansions and anticipate what people will want to do. All of which takes time to follow to understand the game and what people expect.

+Robert Burke Well... keep watch on dev blogs on upcoming changes. If you see an item that will change FOR THE BETTER, then you need to see if you can find sell orders or market orders in all the regions around you for the best price, and the most stock... buy as many as you can afford, without hurting your day to day activites, and sit on them until the changes happen. Watch the market spike, and throw them on the market for a bit less than what they're going for, but still more than you bought them for, and watch the ISK roll in. I made 400M ISK in a week sitting in Amarr (system), because of how close it is to three different regions. I would buy in Amarr, bring them 10-12 jumps out to the other regions, and sell there for anywhere between 10-25% more. Big tip... there are a LOT of Caldari ships that use missles. There are only a couple of Amarr ships that use missiles. I would go to Jita, use Faction Points to buy Faction Missiles, cart them down to the Amarr area, and sell them for 40% more than Jita prices. There were tons of Crystals, but no missiles on the market. And because of how close Amarr is to Providence, I was able to make a killing from Provi-bloc buying their ammo from their only missile supplier... me. The killer about the whole thing? Time wise? Jita is only 17 jumps away from Amarr. Which is the reason I would only go 12 jumps from Amarr. Get too close to a major trading hub, and people will AVOID your trades, and go the extra 5 jumps to a place they know they can get it at a major discount.

+Selexya PLEX is now 1.15bil

Bruh, PLEX is at 2.5 Billion now.

+Pupixario Or you can put that $500/month in your savings account, and take 2 vacations a year to other countries... because you have $3000 to spend, and can fly first class, stay at a nice hotel, and afford to buy stuff, and do things while there. You will also make interest on that savings.

+Pupixario This I don't understand. Nothing against you doing that, but making money in EVE is fun in and of itself. Dropping 500$ a month on a video game is ridiculous. Besides, paying for PVP doesn't cost even close to that much for most people. I don't even know how I'd spend 30 bil a month... Even if you had all the skills to fly those expensive ships, it would feel almost like cheating. Basically playing P2W like that.

+Pupixario 2000 a month is pretty shit, my laptop cost more than that

+Dakarn Yeah I'd much rather vacations than in-game currency. idk what the fuck some people do be thinking.

Lol $2000 a month... i earn more than that in a week.

Exactly, Give me 2b now to invest and I could make a shitload of ISK off the market aswell

@@SlavestoArmok You couldn't. Also 2b is super easy to make

@@electricant55 Yeah I could actually lol and I know it is not alot, I make billions often :p

@@SlavestoArmok Fair enough, I thought you were some salty noob who thinks 2b is a life changing amount

19Mustang71 aww, poor baby, need a tissue?

19Mustang71 lol, I quit because of three characters t20

19Mustang71 How dare you give your testimony! Keep your fingers off your keyboard you punk ass bitch!

rofl! you sound like my buddy damn you make me want to play and get peed on by CCCP more :(

+19Mustang71 I'll take shit that never happened for 500, Alex.

+Daniel Forsythe L4s are pretty garbage because they fuck faction standings.

+Donovan Goble "you guys have inflated.." That's what happens in a free market economy man. At the same time though, it is a lot easier to make billions of ISK than it once was.

@@polko59 EVE isnt a Free MArket tho, CCP messes with it all the time. SCARCITY is the newest way, they have fucked EVE up. PLEX is also 2.5 Billion ISk.

+112233jjooee Almost every "bank" in EVE has fallen to thievery. The last time I logged in, a couple years ago, another bank had folded after one of the trustees ran off with ~600B ISK.

+Brock Wheatley Not a good deal...

+Laurenan69 it's a great deal for a new player. sure it's no 10/10 or incursion, but easy semi afk money.

Gas harvesting. start with 27mil, end with 100 mil an hour.

Ratting, it's like mining but with explosions.

But... Where is the settlement that needs help? Mark it on my map.

pirahc i swear it was especially in preparation for big battles in null from different corps. these corps in null were paying top dollar 300% sometimes 400% price it was insane i made billions

You just described every videogame ever

***** Aha. wrong. that money can be turned into real money. it is illegal however. against CCP set rules. But you can still get real money out of it.

+richoz27 video games are for doing something that you enjoy that you are unable to do in real life... soooo.... yeah.

Sigma476 Not every video game, Eve is more work than fun and all you get for it is pixels. Id rather do real trading and make real money. If, however, CCP allowed real money trading so that players could set up industries and actually turn a real dollar, then the efforts of this guy would be worth it.

i do real trading also, i like both.

he confessed he was up to 4am drinking.... lol

+Jonayofsweden How exactly? EVE's market mechanics don't represent real life very well.

BenKerman He certainly have some level of knowlage of economics, so even if it's not represented perfectly I still think he could make real money, if he spent as much time styddying the real market.

+Jonayofsweden You're assuming he didn't so who are you to think he didn't? Got any evidences of him not doing it?

OldeFreedom ...

+OldeFreedom Right? People who are very good at EVE tend to be intelligent and see value in being challenged and working hard towards goals. The challenge in and of itself is fun. People who think like that tend to do well for themselves IRL as well. Everybody fills their free time with hobbies, and if your hobby involves hard work (and you find that fun), you probably work hard at your job as well. Some people watch Netflix and jerk off when they get off work. Other people play EVE. How people who do the former feel justified in calling EVE players losers and assume they don't have a real life is beyond me... After playing a lot of MMOs, EVE is definitely the game where I've encountered the most successful adults with families and high paying jobs...

Illegally yes

zeeman707 lmfao

+JLMetaMix it is actually very serious, people pay some srs money. One vessel in eve can go for 4000 dollars

So do it. But remember it all takes money

Lefty Hara He made more than 8 trillion isk profits trading plex.

Scoggy what will he do with that ammount of money anyway appart from buying a titan and lose it

mansuy adrien exactly he might as well just give it to me so I can buy a titan and loose it haha

Scoggy you can' buy it though

RandomusFafus sorry "build"

with a billion you can't buy a titan according to all prices...i'd say a capital ship

I think he did a decent job of self-censoring. In that respect most live presentations hold up well against amateur video posters.

***** Yes, I would say that

***** Eating or breathing doesn't make money. Maybe we should stop?

Savior Prime The in-game term is CEO.

Savior Prime that's because eve its real m8 duuuuh!

+Savior Prime there are plenty of "black market" deals in eve where people exchange in game shit for irl money. The reason people don't talk about it is because you can get banned but it is rare that CCP actually looks into those kinds of transactions.