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@@AchiragChiraggI agree, along with the unlabelled graphs at 14:47 (what settings?) I am rather disappointed to say the least when it comes to the dataset that ltt labs has collected. As for testing methodology I also disagree, the video and stress test results should have standardized variables like brightness of display, WiFi and Bluetooth being on and temperature of room. Specification within the graph I would expect to look something like this (400nits, WiFi, Bluetooth, 1080p RU-vid H264 playback). I am still excited nonetheless for the expansion of ltt labs, I hope it grows to become the benchmark for what reviews should be like.
Well you see in the one or 2 reports of the Nokia breaking they decided to make it easily reparable so that if reality breaks and your phone gets damaged you can fix it
Nokia lumia 1020 with the 41MP camera was super easy to change the screen. It had a plastic locking rail that you released with a torx screw under the top sim card tray. Once that was unscrewed the screen uncliped and just had to be unplugged and replaced, was so nice
LG had their own problems, namely the software and bootlooping, but their old phones like the G4 was also super easy, just take out a few screws and pop the screen out, I swapped it in like 10 minutes with limited experience.
I'm not sure why companies that are all "YOU CAN REPAIR IT" won't make a good phone that's repairable. It isn't about less garbage to throw away, and more about having a "segment of the market that can be exploited".
Louis Rossman actually had a theory about this on their video of the Nokia G22, that makes sense. It's to tell the right to repair activists that "look, we made a phone, but nobody bought it!", to show that people don't want a repairable phone. When in reality these are the strings they are pulling to get to that conclusion.
The problem with these phones is the specs are always low to mid range, but I've yet to see a flagship spec with actually good cameras and processor. Imagine if like, the Samsung S23 Ultra was this repairable. I realize some things have to be different like plastic back and probably thicker but just saying.
Imagine if the phone was designed to have a case from the outset. A replaceable shell with mounts to the chassis because most people most of the time put a case on their phone. It'd wind up being slimmer as you don't have a decorative shell over the phone and then a case over that. It'd also be more robust as the case could mount to the phone not just elastic onto it. People could then make extended batteries and what not as well that didn't suck.
I'm guessing they probably don't have the numbers for too many mid-low ends. Downsides of being a big tech channel. But also, most people watching this probably wouldn't be able to comprehend what that low end performance would feel like.
Companies can and have used products like this to undermine Right to Repair. They under power the product to the point that few people who pay attention will buy them, and those that don't pay attention will have a terrible experience and not want another one. Then, once it fails, companies will point to it and claim that they offered a repairable phone but there was no demand for it. By comparing it to flagship phones and pointing out that not only was the hardware lacking, but there was no reason it couldn't have been better they can undermine the claims of the companies.
--- @@HolosKaustos Well, the thing is, this was the "G"-series-devices, which sits in between Nokia-branded "C" and "X"-devices. If this was "X"-series device, then the comparison "Nokia cheaping out"-argument against flagships would probably a bit more fairer comparison. But here we have more indented mid-range-device with the early-adopter-tax for the engineering "sample", hence more than likely the price being "too much" by the words of the LTT-staff; odd they didn't point out the smaller-volume / skew-price-hike-thing like they'd usually do on "WAN-show" and such. Most likely the prices will be eventually more "reasonable". But in case Nokia-brand / "HMD Global" is certainly will take a bit more time now they're also setting up the manufacturing in European-countries also ( which countries though has yet to be revealed ). ---
Great presenter, overall good video with the exception of that terrible longevity graph at 15:15. Love repairable phones, but this one does not make much sense to me. Why make it repairable if you're going to discourage long use by making it also too low spec with shortish support period!??
I've owned a G21 for over a year, insides of G22 spec-wise same. great phone for the money, perfect, bit slow on Android updates, but guaranteed, wished support was longer and note the same for G22, so from memory it will be 2 Android updates and 3 years of security updates. So do check that for G22 as having something you can repair beyond 3 years and can't get updates, bit of a handicap and the right to compile the OS, is there, just a minefield. Aftermarket OS options are worth checking, not explored that but will be a big factor once official support drops.
I was thinking it'd be nice if the phone vendors had a subscription service for updates after X years. Like yeah they need to get paid to do the work to keep the software up to date. But like $1 a month or something after 2 years ending when the total number of subscribers for that phone are under 10k or incompatibility forces things to stop. That'd be a decent way for the vendor to get paid for their work and users to keep devices secure longer for minimal cost I think. I'd probably do it. $12 for a year of updates on a repairable phone? Seems fair.
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The only "self-repairable" components I really care about are the battery and the screen. And if I had to pick just one of those, I'd choose the battery. At $220, there are far better phones that are just as "repairable" as this phone that also have more powerful/capable hardware.
true, especially with nokia c02 (another crappy spec hardware) where you can pop out the back cover and the battery just pop out like phones from 2000s era without adhesive or connector .... i guess it's for ip rating ... but we had samsung galaxy s5 also with battery compartment that's rated ip67 with headphone jack and microsd expansion, so no excuses for modern phones these days to exclude all that.
Love to see that, my previous phone was a Nokia and it was great, super indestructable. I only just switched to a new one because I'm a photo enthusiast and the camera was a bit lacking for me. After 6 years it's still completely functional and I can't even imagine how long more it would be good for being able to easily fix it. My phone before the Nokia was brand new when I had to stop using it because the screen broke and it was so hard to fix that they messed it up the first time, and it kept getting worse each time I took it to repair. Also, that headphone jack, Nokia keep up :)
Hey I feel like the graph at 15:21 was a little misleading, at a quick glance it looks like the nokia is way worse because it doesnt start at 0. Loved the video hope this doesnt come off as rude
The chart at 15:20 is very misleading. I understand it doesn't start at zero for scaling reasons, but it makes a bar chart pretty much pointless when we can't compare the size of the bars. It looks as though the Nokia gets awful (half as much!) battery life when it's just 2 hours less.
I'd be very suspect at that price though. I tried a similarly priced Motorola and had to return it because there was *so much* horrendous noise on the headphone jack it was literally unusable. Sadly, only Sony in my experience has a *decent* DAC in their current devices.
@@MadwonkThe whole Xiaomi lineup has some damn good phones, many of them with headphone jacks, and some of the Samsung A and M series have headphone jacks. Then there's the route of buying an older Samsung flagship and getting the battery replaced
Companies: Sells a high-price-for-the-low-specs, repairable phone. Consumers: Buy something at around the same price, with higher specs. Companies: REPAIRABLE PHONES DON'T SELL! Give me at least decent specs and reparability, and I won't mind paying more.
15:20 Do not ever make that kind of graph with offset origin, it's increadibly misleading and makes the difference look a lot bigger than it actually is.
The repairability is really great, too bad it'll be outdated when you buy it with those specs. I hope it gets a couple of years of software updates! I'm to used to flagship phones so these specs would be very underwelming for me personally.
I wish they offered DIY phone. You could choose out of let's say two mainboards (with more coming in future), two or three fitting displays and so on. Want bigger battery? Well here is thicker case with one! Just order parts, complete it together and you are good to go.
Nokia has promised at least 3 years of updates for all their phones, so it does have that going for it! Too bad I wouldn't want to use it after 3 years, not even 1...
i stand by nokia, i had a Nokia 8 which still works, now using X30. Keep in mind that the G22 is very much an entry-level phone, there is a slightly better G42 which is also as repairable. Ive had a Lumia in the past which was once of my favourite and also super easy to open up and repair. Nokia seems like they are taking the initiative to change the way phone industry is and I like that, hopefully other brands will follow. As more iterations release, repairability will get better and so will price/performance.
Reparability is good, but doesn't Nokia still lock down their bootloaders? That's a dealbreaker for me. (Please tell me if I'm wrong about the bootloaders!)
i could see a use-case in deployment to a workforce, where a basic app with small system requirements needs to be used. The IT dept could repair the devices as needed or as a refresher when the device trades owners, for minimal cost.
@@20NBA01 It's an affordable option for people that don't have a lot of money, like in a third world country, they don't have the money to buy a fucking iPhone when it costs 10x the minimum wage.
You like what you like, but for me a 6.5 inch screen is barely large enough to be usable. However, with only a 720p display it should have a smaller screen.
I wonder if G42 would work quicker than G22, they both are repairable.. Although I can't find any spare parts for G42 on Ifixit's website atm.. Not sure if the parts are somewhat interchangeable with each other
the g42 does 5g, comes with android 13 instead of 12, better SoC, basically the same screen, 6 instead of 4gigs of ram, has 802.11ax, bluetooth 5.1 instead of 5.0 for only a 70€ increase in price (every other spec i didn't mentioned is basically the same) screens are a slightly different size so part compatibility is probably not a thing (which seems like a big oversight) edit the G60 costs the same as the g42 and has a higher resolution screen, gorilla glass 5 instead of 3, 120hz refreshrate instead of 90, slighly new SoC but it doesn't seem like is has microSD expansion and isn't repairable like the others
I think there is a little mistake in the numbers! Either the number (for cold launching apps, timestamp 16:45) is wrong or it does not take 8,5 seconds to launch the app, because 844ms are not 8,44 seconds. 8440ms would be roughly 8,5 seconds right?
It would be nice if you displayed the chips on battery life graphs (maybe below in parenthesis) because the generation/manufacturer makes a big difference in this!
Nokia being a well known name stepping into this territory is such a brilliant move. I thought Nokia no longer existed. This is beyond a brilliant decision. Another year or two my 3 year old Samsung needs to be replaced. I will legit remember this product. Now I'm watching the video.
This is a different company that bought the rights to the Nokia branding. The last actual Nokia phones were the Lumias, and even those they could only afford to engineer due to Microsoft buying Nokia phone division and using it as a showcase platform for Windows Phone (similar to the Google Nexus). Still Finnish, and some of the same leadership, but not actually the Nokia Corporation.
Usually when phone manufacturers add a feature to distinguish their glass rectangles from other glass rectangles, it's just some BS nobody needs. I LOVE seeing repairability as a selling point!
I appreciate Nokia's efforts here but they also need to focus on software support. I have a 5.3 and Nokia 5.3 users have been dealing with ghost touching for over a year now. Major OS version updates are over a year behind too and security updates can be many months apart (in violation of the Android One commitment). Plus Nokia only promises 3 years of security updates which is behind the 4 years of their primary competitor Samsung. Nokia also selects dimmer screens and slower SoCs. Seems like Nokia (HMD Global) has too many models for a company their size to manage.
Nokia 5.3 owner here too, software updates really really slow to push, and lots of bugs everywhere. It's a decent phone tho but I can't recommend it after 3 years
Former Nokia 5.3 owner here. I couldn't last more than a year with the phone, I had so many issues and bugs that I just went ahead and bought whole different phone.
The partnership with iFixit looks great and I'm so glad you dont have to (intentionally) break glued down screens just to replace your battery or USB port.
I use my phone as a multi tasker / power user, a content consumption device, and a graphically intense gaming device... I really really want a repairable phone, but so far every single one has unusably bad specs for what I do on a phone. Where's my flagship repairable phone? Fairphone, Nokia, and other companies make repairable phones with trash tier specs for flagship prices. It's almost like they're intentionally making phones people wouldn't wanna buy and then say "oh gee, I guess nobody values repairability"
Feels like some business manager decided that repairability is a niche market and the design, component spec, and pricing decisions were made so that management could later structure an argument around "no one wants a repairable phone". Let's get ahead of that. People want repairable phones. People don't want crap phones that are repairable.
Making a cheap crappy phone repairable is dumb, if such a cheap phone would broke I would buy another one and not waste money repairing it, they should have made a flagship phone repairable.
So glad your showing nokia phones after Linus said "who is buying Nokia phones" on the WAN show. Would like to see higher end phones from Nokia such as the 50 series
I enjoy this presenters style, great job on these recent videos. Especially for a ShortCircuit. Chill and much less Chaos-energy than some other presenters and videos. Not too interested in this phone specifically, but welcome 'user serviceability' of any device, and would like to see it in more.
I worked on repairing all kinds of phones, and this type of screen repair is more difficult than on an iPhone and especially some Google Pixels. This is type of assembly is the same as in most other cheap android phones, like Samsung A series, Xiaomi and it's brands, BBK's brands liek OPPO, Oneplus, etc. Glueing the screen to the whole frame isn't repairable at all, just look up the repairs on Pixels, that's how it should be done. The only repairable thing is the additional awailability of a few parts straight from ifixit. It's not that difficult to source even original parts for most of the new phones, a bit harder for iPhones, though.
Love you guys LMG, you do lots of awesome stuff... But you proved once again that reviewing low end devices is not your thing. I get that you wanna benchmark it, but no-one in their right mind is buying a sub 200€ smartphone to play 3D games. And what is even the point of the benchmark if you don't have any phone with a similar price to compare it to? The Pixel 6a... is a 350€ phone, almost DOUBLE THE PRICE, and that's the closest thing you give people to compare it too? Could have at leats, bought or lended a random phone thats in the same price range to give us something to compare it too. The software support not being great is a bummer for sure, but the importance of this is a bit overstated as well. I can tell you right now, that nobody in my extended family cares about what android version they are on, even less so what security update they got. This will not affect the average buyer of this phone's decision making when it comes to replacing it. The slow SOC will, that is true, for that reason, i would have much preferred it if Nokia put the money they spent on the 2 extra camera's towards a better SOC. Im not saying this is an amazing device, it is not... But its not half as bad as this video makes it look like given its price and repairability.
Hey! I actually use the macro camera on my Galaxy A71 frequently at work. I work with small electronics and it's actually useful if you don't wanna go to the microscope every few minutes.
@@mod4rchive HMD Global who designs and oversees the production is still based in Finland (as is the og Nokia that now makes mainly networking stuff) and there are people in HMD who worked for the og Nokia back in the days. The phones are manufactured by Foxconn (yes, probably in China).
@@OlafsLeftArm from a quick Google, it seems that Nokia manufactures phones in several places. The biggest center is of course in China. But there are others in India, Latin America, and this year in Europe. It doesn't seem like they work exclusively with Foxconn either as the Indian center is run by Dixon Technologies. Also, at least in India and EU, the primary appeal of Nokias is still their durability.
@@insolidusytit is not, most of their phones after lumias have been china quality cheap shit, main market is india and asia, selling cheap shitty phones to poor peopole.
It is great that they are including all the basic hardware features like an SD slot and headphone jack but they really dropped the ball when it comes to resolution and lack of dual speakers.
If this has more high end parts and potentially replaceable to either more modern parts or better ones this phone would be a hands down next one to get because this is still an amazing concept. Like the framework laptop
Good review, interesting phone and good to see a step in the right direction. Critique for the video: You compare the 200$ g22 to phones that are double the price or nearly double the price and in the end you show alternatives for in that price range that actually should be compared to each other in this video.
I could see this being a company issued phone. Performance is a non-issue, repairability would be enticing because you know employees drop phones, and it's a well known brand.
I like the idea but being realistic here, it is not much easier to repair than other phones. Other than the official guide and tab to open it up. It's very similar to an average phone inside.
All this is great for the 7 people that will buy this phone. That's the issue with so many of these ideas, they end up going no where because no one buys them.
Imagine if they didn't put 3 cameras on it and actually used that money to make the specs more decent, sad we really don't have our priorities straight in 2023
Another problem on top of being relatively mid range spec, is the security and feature updates time period. What’s the point of buying a repairable phone if it is only going to get maybe 2 years of security/feature updates.
15:12 This graph can be confusing if you don't look at it carefully. Graphs should always start at 0, except when showing temperature. Just a small criticism, otherwise great video.
Most Android phones, after you remove the glued back cover, are pretty much the same. Huawei uses the same tabs on the battery, Xiaomi has strips like the iPhones. Samsung phones are a bit more difficult to remove the battery because you have to heat up the whole thing and use a suction cup. I professionally use a heating plate - LCD separator set to 80C. Much better and safer than a heat gun.
Ah yes, comapring a low-end phone probably meant as a beginner device (or just a cheap secondary) to a mid-ranger worth more than twoce the price, totally makes sense!!👏🏻
I feel like Nokia are using some left overs from other entry level phones that cost nearly as nothing and slapping an iFix it logo on it to try to be the nice guy that cares for the customers. 200 bucks can get a really decent entry level phone these days with maybe like 5 times the performance of this phone, and still have a 1080p screen with good features. Even for my old grandpa this phone would be bad. Sorry Nokia but I am not sold, not like that.
I reckon the inflated price is to make up for the money they are missing out on repairs/replacements, and I think the phone is so bad so they can claim people don't want repairable phones when it inevitably doesn't sell.
I am extremely please that they're making efforts to increase repairability but they can and should do better. Also 720p is inexcusable for a screen that large, the density of the screen has no effect on how hard it is to repair so that is no excuse.
@@AchiragChiragg Wireless charging is so dumb tho. It's inefficient as fuck, heats up your phone damaging the internals and entices to charge in small bursts destroying batteries which is the main thing that breaks phones. Have a phone that has wireless charging now, loaned a charger from my family to try it out and literally only used it once just so I actually try it and I could have just as well plugged in the cord, would've taken 1 second longer and given me more charge
Your longevity graphs are stupid due to X axis not starting at 0. This causes the battery life to look like it’s 20% of the competition instead of the actual 90-95%. Please fix for future videos.
Taking it apart is easy; putting it back together is hard. I get that this video is supposed to be short, and there probably wasn't any time, and that those types of cuts are "creative," but what I think you should have done instead of cutting is put in a time-lapse. Even if Bell wasn't the one to put it back together because of time constraints, I would still have liked to see that.
