The best part of the chat about betraying the tieflings is telling him he’s lucky to not be alive to see the goblins kill the children. He goes “dear god…” the darkest of dark lines
@@VladosBb No, not explicitly, but it's overwhelmingly implied that the goblins _"getting to the children"_ is going to be bad enough that death is a preferable fate to witnessing what the goblins will do once they _"get to them"._ What do you think the goblins are gonna do to the children when they _"get to them"?_ They gonna play dress up with them and raise them up as good little goblins? They gonna tickle them and read them bed time stories? Hmm, I do wonder...what else could _“At least you’ll die before goblins get to the children”_ possibly entail for the children? What could that mean? I do wonder. Hmm, let's see, maaayyybe they're gonna....oh, what's that? *KILL (and probably eat) THEM.* I mean, COME ON, we _really_ gotta be this pedantic? And I'm quite the insufferably pedantic SOB myself, lol
It's so fascinating to me that like 90% of gamers, myself included, just can't bring themselves to be truly evil. Even in complete fantasy worlds on your TV screen.
@@Ludacrisgaronio I wish the world were that simple but unfortunately I do think that there are actual evil people out there. Some people are just wired differently.
@@AL-lh2ht tbh I have only watched videos of others playing it. It's such an amazing looking game but I hate turn based style fighting. But maybe this is the one that'll change that.
@@TheThizzelleI’m also not too big on turn based combat. Turn based is so boring to me. But this game made its turn based combat in a very fun and engaging way that I have grown to love. I highly recommend giving it a try.
@@sixspense794 it means that if you choose to be good or evil, both paths have in depth and fleshed out details, character reactions and choices for you to make? Dunno how you're confused here.
First playthrough was the Dark Urge. I was... floored by how intertwined that origin story was with the main storyline. It's easily the most in-depth of the lot and I'm more saddened that there isn't an NPC you can encounter and have as part of your team... would be an interesting take on things to have to contend with such a villainous character... :3
It’s actually because there was no intention for tav and dark urge to be choices. Tav was dark urge until they made some decision to retcon it into its own origin character.
@NotEmoney they probably made the decision so that players can have a lighthearted adventure with an OC or a grim dark one. For the best honestly as while I love the dark urge it's definitely a second or third playthrough kinda story.
As the other person said, there was no "custom" MC for most of the development. You'd either play as one of the companions or the Dark Urge. This is why Dark Urge isn't bound to a particular preset. Then a custom Urge-less option was made, which basically merely disables all Dark Urge interactions, while adding nothing else.
Thanks bro, even in a video game I don't have the heart to play as someone genuinely evil I can't, it gives me bad feelings. But seeing the depravity that comes to capture that route is beautiful, that's why I'm glad to see this video.
I tried Durge but the only evil thing I did was killing the druids. I didnt want to but kinda wanted to try having Minthara as companion. Bye bye Wyll and Karlach though
This is why I play the dark urge but resist most of the truly evil things. It creates an interesting narrative of conflict while still holding depravity close to the core
Absolutely, playing holier-than-thou route with Dark Urge feels like a contradiction in itself, and feels kinda bland. But I love this balanced approach though
I have been playing the same way. I've called it my "conflicted Dark Urge" playthrough and its led to some really interesting choices. This game feels like it has endless amounts of possibilities
I think that's how it was meant to be played, if later on you talk to Jaheira she tells you about your character in Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 and how that character resisted and saved himself, so I'm assuming that's canon and how they want you to play it now 🤔
I play dark urge as a mostly good character. Literally denying the urge every chance I get and only being cruel to those who are cruel. It's fun to watch my character struggle with his past and curse but willing themselves to be better.
@@shoking2677 If you knock Altira out before she comes to your camp, a no-name bard takes her place. You still end up killing *a* bard, but the game at least lets you choose who it is if you're willing to quicksave and savescum to prevent her death specifically. Add in a method to shapeshift and she might not even know who knocked her out either.
We all picked orgin characters for our first MP campagin in my group. We had an urge in the party. "How bad could it be!?" ...The Altira death legit shook us, we had done her song and everything (first playthrough) thought we just gained a bard companion and the murder aftermath was very visceral. It did start a running joke where the entire group goes "oh no? every time our dark urge player talks to someone.
the dark urge has a very interesting story, closely related to the main plot. You can make a complex character with heavy internal conflict and change your destiny, which will make the walkthrough much more emotional than as a regular custom character
Found out i was a "good person" while playing new vegas, i just couldnt help myself to take the bad karma choices. Thanks for uploadong this, some of us will never take these choices so its awesome to se their still there.
some durge spoilers ensue: weirdly enough bg3 is the only game where i've ever had fun playing an evil character in the dark urge, I think the fact that the narrator encourages you definitely contributes a lot to that for me, normally i'd just feel awful, but with the narrator and your character being inherently inclined towards it, it feels more like i'm just playing the character "as intended" as opposed to actually choosing to be an awful person? Not sure, but i've just finished my first playthrough of the game, and I played an evil durge, who enjoyed killing, but still tried to resist it when he could (I was nice to alfira until she died, and I protected the tieflings and didn't kill them, and in act 3 at the very last moment I resisted, and ended up killing myself to protect everyone else), and overall it just felt like I was playing a really interesting fleshed out character, as opposed to just feeling like someone who's evil for no reason and feeling bad about like most games that let you choose to be evil. spoiler free tl;dr: I think they did durge really well, and i'm pleasantly surprised i enjoyed playing an evil character so much, as I normally feel awful, but I think the way they presented it in bg3 made it much more palatable, and even very fun.
Glad im not alone in this. I’ve never been able to be deliberately evil in actual D&D campaigns or in video games. I find myself occasionally healing enemies I sympathize with even though I gain literally nothing from it. I’m currently playing in a D&D campaign where evil is suggested and I picked… a true neutral cleric of the grave. Indifferent to death, but not evil. I end up using spare the dying (stabilizing) guards that the other players have ruthlessly destroyed and I give the excuse of “it’s not their time yet” I can’t stand the icky feeling of constant evil choices. Perhaps I like heroes too much or at least anti-heroes but I just can’t like villains.
I love playing Dark Urge so much. Some of the interactions are hilarious but the genuine chaos and evil this character is is what makes him so much fun to play 😂😂😂
Amazing game. My dark urge walked the line between reason and mad violence in act 1. I never trusted the butler just on gut instinct. I thought he was only pretending to be my servant to manipulate me into doing evil shit. Made me realise that the dark urge might not even be *me* and that I could try to resist the urge. Now, I've turned my back on Bhaals' senseless violence and chosen my own path. By no means is my DU good, but he is Bhaals slave no more. He's going to rule the world and preserve it's beauty, slay devils, and cow the very gods if they get his way. DRAMA LOL I LOVE IT
I love a dialogue options that comes up after rejecting bhaal. Its something like “Now that bhaal has no control over you your atrocities will be truly yours alone” and has the narrator give a sick speech
I've taken every disgusting option and do not plan on stopping. at a certain point you gotta wonder if the animators who worked on all these scenes are doing okay
I use to always play the “good guy” first in most games but I learned to always play the bad guy first. This way you have no attachment to anyone and these decisions are far easier to make.
I've come to realize about myself that i don't know if i could do an evil dark urge playthrough. The cruelty you can commit is quite shocking. The people at Larian crafted a unique character and experience
I think it's good they provided a murder hobo experience. I don't know if I could ever play him, as I enjoy being the "Lawful" good paladin a little too much (Plus, folk hero has got to be the easiest background for inspirations). But him being in the game lets you really do whatever you want within the bounds of the story. You can, indeed, kill just about everyone good and still continue the game to its completion.
I actually recommend giving it a go, there are options to play dark urge as a good guy, you got work a bit harder to stay a good guy but it’s a full path
@@jonpaulwatts1419 just reached the good Durge ending (as my first solo playthrough as playing a random walking around literal level 20 story characters didn't appeal to me that much). I loved it, felt way more worthy of the title of bg3 than the Tav experience.
@@reksraven6909It’s cause Larian wanted a more watered down version to appeal to a wider audience. I’m still so confused on why they recommend dark urge as a second playthrough considering how essential they are to the story. Should have been durge first then custom origin for a second playthrough
@@MedicalBillz yeah she tries to talk about how you get it since Lolth is a a protective den mother like her. I imagine my drow just stopped jaw dropped and asked "Do you actually know what Lolth does? She is the most vindictive cruel bitch in literally all of the abyss."
The quote that gets me is if you open the gate and they start asking you why you can respond with “don’t worry you will be long dead before the goblins get to the kids”
I ran a Dark urge/wizard and honestly it was one of the most fun runs i had. like struggling with your past and sometimes losing your shit made a great story
I mean, it's as canonical as any other route, considering the main reason the bhaalist cult is so proeminent is because of Sarevoks influence over Orins origin, but Sarevok had a "redemption" on previous games, so him coming back on BG3 - and evil again, to add to it - was more fan service than anything.
After you kill Alfira, one of the options is to simply go back to bed with the body still there. You can even acknowledge that you did it, and despite some.. choice words from a few party members, no real consequences are had. I wish there were more repercussions for that choice but I love that it's even an option. Also, for whatever reason the game doesn't seem to acknowledge Minthara's death which is really unfortunate. One of the orcs staying behind after the celebrations will say that the rest have followed her onward. And when you get to Moonrise and tell the guard at the door that Minthara sent you, the guard will say she's inside. In general I feel like pure Evil Dark Urge is the most incomplete main character storyline but it is also among the most fun.
@@coops1992 Yep you can save almost everyone. You kill someone (usually Alfira) in a scripted scene early on but that's it. And you can knock out Alfira beforehand to get some random NPC killed instead.
It is amazing that you can be THIS psychotic. I enjoyed my evil dark urge playthrough much more than the generic "good guy" horseshit you see in every game which writing is railroaded towards goody two shoes.
I don't remember what i did, but Karlach just appeared out of nowhere and just joined my team. I invited the bard girl to join too, but then i went to have a rest in camp and omg what a surprise night that was 😮
I went oath of vengence and even killing the bard didn't break the oath, it finally broke when I yelled at a corpse to prove to the dog his owner is dead, which triggered combat with the dog
@@yahyahyor If you embrace the murder with glee, you DO fall iirc. You don't fall just for killing her because it really isn't your fault - you weren't even conscious.
Sad to see Alfira killed and her lute smashed she is one of my favorite non companion characters! =( When I played my Dark Urge I did not end up killing her but some other bard.
Dark Urge is meant to be Chaotic-Evil, you captured the essence of Chaotic-Evil quite well. I preferred playing it as Neutral-Evil, it was far more fun for me. I played the Neutral-Evil as a Tiefling Druid, the Moon Druid specifically. I did the Chaotic-Evil as an Assassin Rogue High Elf.
@@fathergally910 I disagree. I have seen a playthrough of good Urge, I found it boring. The only thing I liked about it is that you find out you are the offspring of a God.
@@SakuragiSayo I think perhaps you should try it for yourself. Cut content has revealed that the original player character was actually the dark urge. The good durge by far has the most story elements.
@@bobjoneswof THIS particular thing is NOT cut content, it's redesigned, they just made Durge into a separate avatar, so that many people can have their gluten-free Tav Durge is pivotal to Baldur's Gate as a Bhaalspawn, but considering how huge audience this game has, and DnD being a big focus, they likely just wanted to make this optional, to not make roleplaying players go like "wtf? why is my character a psychopath with crazy butler?"
@@othergeorgea off topic but, isn't it weird that the game gives you like a billion "fuck you Alfira" options and one or two regular options... Makes me think the devs just fuckin hated this character and wanted to make her suffer
I understand you, it requires a cruelty that is difficult to achieve even in video games. But it's certainly great to be able to play as someone I could only describe as "The incarnation of a sin."
Same I played murder-hobo, whose only interaction was "break dialog, fight" half the time... I mean it's in character, but obviously you lose a lot of stuff happening. I mean i had blood pools everywhere in Baldur by the endgame, but apparently i wasn't even close to what could've beed if only i entered proper dialog.
This is the best playthrough. Its like ripping through all the heroic cliches of the fantasy genre in a spectacular and bloody way. I really love Larian for putting this in the game.
I played as a Dark Urge Paladin in my first playthrough, and I've never had a better rpg experience. Trying to resist the urge and stay true to my oath gave my character SO much depth. I basically had 2 intertwining character arcs to go through. I chose the oath about the sanctity of life, so when I got to Cazador's palace and was faced with a bunch of vampire children, I knew I was gonna have to break my oath and let them live. That and the whole plot twist specific to the Dark Urge were so perfect for the character I'd created throughout the game
While I normally couldn't/wouldn't do an evil playthrough I am SO glad that someone finally made a truly evil playthrough and gave a good attempt at getting into the depths of it. This type of gameplay is something almost all other games refused to even dabble in. It is role playing after all - offer the entire gamut! While it's mostly evil from the viewpoint of someone sadistic, at least it gets fairly deep into it. Would be nice to see other opportunities for the full list of 9 alignments. Regardless, I'm glad they went there (even though I'll never do it myself I'm a sucker for autonomy and people having their choices be their own).
the only thing i hated about the goblin path is that everyone disappears after you snap mintharas neck i was planning on purging all life in act one (except for the owlbear cub and karlach) and that threw a pretty big wrench in my plans since the goblins and the bugbears got away
Even if I tried to do a full evil Durge playthrough, I could never do that to Karlach. I could get behind killing people who I'm not really close to, but Karlach? Hells no. I feel bad just thinking about it.
I picked dark urge because i wasnt paying much attention at first, and im making my character essentially go from a crazed murderer before, to soneone having actual morals, due to loving the conflict between dark urges and normal behaviour
If you destroy the druid grove before you meet Alfira in your camp (meaning you most likely killed alfira), then you can trigger another npc to come along named Quil Grootslang and she will basically take the role in which Alfira was supposed to play in the camp. Needless to say I was shocked when my durge woke up and the scene triggered.
In my friends and I's playthrough, they voted to stake Astarion when he revealed himself to be a vampire. I prayed that the skill check fails, but it didn't, and I had to watch him be killed like a mutt 🤧 We reloaded but that was already too much.
Durge was just tired of having to build approval for the romance scene, but funny how that dialogue option is the one that reveals some of the Durge's past.
I believe that the route has two options exactly, in which you refuse the Dark Urge, which I suppose, as I do, is the route that many follow. And the one in which you embody and accept it, I have to say that it is a masterful route, but it requires a cruelty that I am not willing to take even in video games and that as a doctor I have seen horrible things.
@@Ja_ich259 That's right, I am an emergency doctor, and although I usually make difficult decisions in the emergency room, they are normally to seek the greatest benefit for the patient. But deliberately making a bad decision knowing the consequences is something that simply makes me feel bad, even when it's a video game.
The fact that this is only act 1 and the video is 24 minutes long is insane just imagine how much more unspeakable atrocities you can create in act 2 and 3
I hesitated for the longest time when i was in character creation on whether or not play the dark urge In the end I decided that, for my 1st run I wanted to experience the game with a lighter background (well I still chose to play a rogue assassin Drow, Lolth worshiper, chaotic neutral). So yeah, I wanted to see how the game worked beforehand and I think I did the right thing ; I think that playing the dark urge on my 1st run might have been too overwhelming for me. It's my 1st Baldur's Gate, I have played Divinity 2 before but never a dnd inspired game, so it was already a lot to take in without a very heavy background to take in as well. . I'm having great fun with my morally ambiguous Drow and I'm looking forward to play a chaotic 2nd run as the dark urge ❤😊
Somehow the Lute one hurts me the most. I guess it hits closer to home/is more realistic than all the gore and murder. Plus, the VA knocked it out of the park. I was planning on doing a dark urge playthrough but don't think I can stomach it after this video.
Bg3 warns that dark urge probably should be played first time but i disagree, mainly for the fact that you can still be morally good even as urge, infact it just makes your heroic all the more great because it does not come easy to you, its empowering and its also way for your character to be connected to the main story.
Same reason I chose the Urge as my first ran. And as a paladin no less. Sure I broke my oath almost instantly, but after being convinced by the Oathbreaker, keeping up the good while using dark means was just infinitely more fun.
I think I wanna do Dark Urge first play through so that the carnage doesn’t make sense. And then second play through maybe a Good run turning Shadowheart from Bad to Good. I haven’t beaten the game yet but I’m willing to give it a go for story sake. Like the Dark Urge is the Darkness, reincarnated into Tav to save Faerun. Headcannon lol Tav has the memories of his evil self in a parallel universe. Idk if the multiverse is canon in DnD but it’s fun to mess around with
