Every Error in Game of Thrones Season 5 

Stopping or breaking a wheel is not the same thing.

@@MrMiljan407 What would you say is the big difference? What was Daenerys going to do that is so revolutionizingly different?

Stopped easily continues on, while broken stops forever.

@@MrMiljan407 Right, but how does that translate into what Daenerys was going to do, like practically speaking?

It’s now my favorite show to hate watch lol I really try to enjoy it but I hear your points in the back of my mind and I’m like you know he’s right 😆

Thanks! Glad you liked it :) You're right that she didn't hate the Hound, of course, but did she realize that herself at that moment? She insists that she hates him, because she believes it to be true, even though it's not the absolute truth. What better way to lie than believing it to be true? My issue is that Jaquen is able to detect the absolute truth despite this. What do you think about that?

@@CultureVultureMedia1 imo she is aware that she doesn't hate clegane anymore, she just can't verbalize it, maybe cause this would feel like forgiving him for all he has done

@@juno_crystal I see. Well in that case I guess we just interpret it differently :)

She is trying to deny it. She wants to believe that she hates clegane but the truth is she doesn’t. And Jaqen probably sensed the contradiction between what she wants to believe and what she really believed.

@@CultureVultureMedia1 do you ever admit you're wrong?

Poeticaly maybe - but where in all of Dany's actions does she get remotely close to this idealistic outcome? Considering she's replaced almost immediately by a new monarch.

Bruh

You ain't wrong

I wonder if he thought she meant Braking instead of breaking…

i was thinking that too.... this ep of "everything wrong" really wasnt on its best leg

hahah its all such nonsense

sahnsa is the smartest person arya knows, so...

Hey where there's a will there's a way

In all fairness still one of the more realistic things

@@zer0953 it's been a while, did she actually say that??

100%. Stannis was so well written and well acted all the way too. One of the biggest injustices next to Jaime's arc.

@@CultureVultureMedia1 They did Jaime a major disservice by injecting him into The Dorne Plot, so they ruined two arcs simultaneously. We don't get any of the sympathetic character development from A Feast For Crows.

@@gfilmer7150 I feel like they did capture a bit of that when he took back Riverrun in S6, and when he offers Olenna poison instead of something brutal, and when he goes to fight for the living against the WWs, but hooking up with Brienne and then going back to Cersei cancels all that out. It's painfully bad.

@@CultureVultureMedia1 Jaime was by far the shining beacon of Season 7. His arc was amazing and then D&D massacred my boy halfway through Season 8. To add insult to injury, he says he cared for the innocent even though that’s the reason why he beat up Meryn Frey and killed The Mad King in his youth.

@@gfilmer7150 In the Books Stannis is about to replay his last greatest tactical victory by trapping the Freys between the frozen lakes, just like how he trapped Victarion Greyjoy’s fleet, it’s highly likely he will defeat the freys at Crofters village, He has the Mormonts and Glovers with his army, half of the Umber’s and the northern mountain clans, also made a deal with the Iron Bank, 20,000 sell swords. In the Show he gets destroyed by a blizzard and 20 good men...

Yeah but still she said so as if it was so extremely obvious

And then he's all, "bUt i LuVs hEr". 🙄

I didn’t understand that move at the time I was watching. Why would he give away his leverage? Sansa was basically his ticket to rulling the North, as he was already the de facto ruler of the Vale, and his stablished goal since the beginning was to become king. Also, Sansa knew he killed her aunt. I didn’t read the books, so I thought I was missing something, later I understood it was just bad writing.

⁠@@myaccount4699In the book, Ramsay Bolton marries a girl named Jeyne Poole (Sansa’s friend at Winterfell who’s mentioned a few times in season 1) but they tell everyone she’s Arya Stark and the only one who recognizes it isn’t actually Arya is Theon (Reek by then). Little Finger’s plan is to give both the Vale and Winterfell to Sansa by keeping her identity secret until the perfect moment. The fact he gives Sansa to the Boltons makes no sense besides D&D not having to hire someone who looks kinda like Arya to play Jeyne Poole

@@kylesutcliffe9468 why spoil it bit?

@@myaccount4699I wouldn’t call him the de facto ruler of the vale, but that’s why he needed Sansa, she was the key to him becoming the de facto ruler of the vale which then opened the doors to winterfell.

They started teleporting before it was cool. Those darn hipster-hounds.

@@CultureVultureMedia1 those hounds are ahead of the curb.

They teleported to Dark Souls 3

I wouldn't worry about it

Season 6*

Plot armor babeeeey

Didn't they land in a snow drift? I know in the real world that would still be enough to break bones, but.... yeah.

@@AmyEugene in the books the same scene happens (with a different character) and Theon lands on her and breaks her ribs.

In the books Miranda does not exist and Theon along with Jeyne Poole (impersonating Arya, Sansa is not at Winterfell at all) jump onto a huge mound of fresh snow, set up by the fierce blizzard going on for days at that point

I always assumed they jumped in the water. What water? I don't know.

Straying too far form souce is always gonna bite you in the ass I guess.

I think GRRM really tried to work with them and give them a chance and they wanted to sell out and rush an inferior product. S1, 2, and 3 were amazing, then S4 was really good, season 5 slightly less good, S6 had some cool moments, then S7 and 8 were like a cheap parody knockoff of the once brilliant show.

@@CultureVultureMedia1 It's really obvious that the show starts to degrade in quality as soon as they deviate from this alleged template w/ season 5.

Downfall started in season 4. There were already cracks in the dialogue.

Right on! Thanks for taking the time. The only one I'm inclined to agree with is The Long Farewell. That does make complete sense.

Yeah there are some “CinemaSins” choices (actually not because they often fake ignorance or flat out alter/omit scenes) but always interesting to see perspectives

The Hound/lying one was pretty obvious, surprised this channel even counted that as a mistake. Jaqen even says Arya’s lying to herself.

The problem with the "breaking the wheel" thing is that the writers have her say that and have that be her goal but they never bother to actually explore what the fuck that means in practice to her. Presumably it means establishing some sort of truly absolute monarchy which is more centralized (like maybe with a standing, royal army) and where she has absolute power so no house is capable of ever capable of challenging the ruler again but... that's just inference. The writers never both to go about laying out what it means and that by itself is bad writing deserving of a spot here, imo.

Old locks, while simpler than modern, was sturdy, and there is no mechanical way to open it with a corcscrew

How did he know? How can he slap?

@@CultureVultureMedia1 he just knows, some kind of many faced majik I guess

10/10

Also margaery being that squires key witness who "supports" his claim lol If she just said "that never happened" then he has no "evidence"..

Exactly. She didn't hate him.

Definitely, but when she said that she hated him, she meant it. If Jaquen can see through that, then he's not detecting lies, he's seeing absolute truths, which is more of a superpower than a skill.

@@CultureVultureMedia1 fair point, but detecting lies the way he does is also a superpower lol

@@youtub-fj8mu bottom line is it was poorly portrayed, I think. They could've let Arya get away with details, little by little to show her progress in becoming a better liar.

@@CultureVultureMedia1 just because you say something emphatically, doesn't mean it is true or you believe it.

Right, that much is clear, but what was her plan in practice? What would she actaully do differently from previous rulers? :O

@@CultureVultureMedia1 burn them all!

​@@CultureVultureMedia1 Free the people! That's what she tells herself all the time. Are you watching the show drunk? That she firmly believes that she is unlike any other highborn ruler, that she is chosen to do everything better, but has no plan for how to do that, is the whole joke of her character.

25 to be precise! Already on the channel since a long way back :P

@@CultureVultureMedia1 time for a binge then

But some of the character flaws can be caused by crappy writing and are inconsistent with the entire character arc

Exactly. Ive only just started watching the vid(ep 2) and hes critisizing arya for throwing the coin away? Thats a character flaw. Thats arya not believing the coins powers after it appeared to fail her( in her mind). This dude seems to be writing and presenting a lot of nonsense for views

@@niranjanrajesh1058 More than that, why shouldn't she throw the coin away. It's only worth was, that every man from Bravos would take her to the house of black and white. Once she arrived there, it served its purpose. It's like a concert ticket. You might keep it after the show for sentimental reasons. But, if you throw it away, after you passed the security, you're just fine.

Still stupid and totally out of Brienne's character

Yeah I like these videos as like 95% of the time they’re right but sometimes there is some stupid shit like this that flies over his head.

And that's not easy either. If not people would steal horses like mud

i just finished the episode where barristan died and i’m taking a break. everyone i know told me the show doesn’t get bad until season 8 (and some said season 7) but this season has felt so off to me and barristan randomly dying is the icing on the cake.

Barristan was a gouty grandfather who dandered around town without armor. As a consultant he was completely useless anyway. His only good deed was dying in time for Dany to realize she needed more decent advisors.

Stannis would always end up the way he did. Read the books again!

Right? I've seen people say 'but she was telling thr truth' when obviously the point of the scene was to show that she didn't hate the hound

Or he is committed to restore the reputation of GoT.

Book Stannis kills her, too. George isn't heartbroken. He's partying and doesn't feel the need to finish the books. Maybe in part due to his "fans" whining and polluting the internet the way you just did.

@@christiangwenner6384 Exactly. Just posted a lengthy comment on another video about how as much as D&D, and HBO, and even GRRM himself all bear guilt for how things swirled the commode, it was FANS who killed GoT, because they 1) LOVED the show so much that they never held the show runners' feet to the fire, even when tons of shite had already drowned the fan; 2) INSISTED...across social media but primarily here on YT...ON ATTEMPTING TO GUESS THE PLOT, not only from one episode to the next, but one season to the next (GRRM said this effectively killed his desire to finish the series since nearly all of his plot threads had been exhaustively bandied about online); and 3) SPEWING INFANTILE FAN SERVICE WISH LISTS all across social media and YT, resulting in the farcical Clegane Bowl and other absurdist nonsense. HBO should have given D&D walking papers after season 4, especially since Dumb & Dumber said publicly that the only reason they wanted to film GoT was so they could shoot the Red Wedding. They immediately lost interest after that, and it showed. GRRM wanted more seasons, the fans wanted more seasons, and HBO sure as hell should have wanted more seasons (GoT was easily the company's hugest ever money-printing machine), but they allowed the selfishness of D&D to run the show into an early and ignominious grave. A well-deserved pox on EVERYONE'S house.

It is, and I would have included it, but to be fair, it's not an inherrent inconsistency.

I’m glad you noticed! My all time favorite Disney film.

It's definitely up there with her breaking a log with a sharp sword.

The rewatch value we deserve.

Season 05 was very boring, Season 06 was far better but tbh everything after Season 04 is meh, gets worse in Season 07 and 08 is the worst.

@@A7XKoRnRocks1 pretty much this. 5 was boring but ok for the most part, 6 had more interesting plots but terrible characters already, and 7 just lost it.

Strange then how she, in S7, was so against talking about her plan for succession. Lazy writing at it's finest.

@@CultureVultureMedia1 Intentionality doesn't always come with proper execution.

@@constantinetranos2225 Yeah, but what's the intention then? I feel like you're dodging the question, haha :P

@@CultureVultureMedia1 I explain my intention in my first comment. A lot of decisions actually have an interesting blueprint in the final seasons which comes from the outlines Martin gave them, however they did a pure job at fleshing out those blueprints.

@@constantinetranos2225 I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing anymore. Perhaps I was unclear when I expressed my confusion about what Daenerys meant about breaking the wheel. I only meant to say that it doesn't seem like Dany intends to break the wheel at all, but simply put herself on top of it. Couple questions: - What is the definition of stopping the wheel? - What is the definition of breaking the wheel? - What is Dany's plan of action in order to accomplish the breaking of the wheel?

Except it didn't. You just have to change details when adapting something to a different medium. Don't worry about George. He knows. You don't.

Very good points.

@Anjelica Snorcket yeap, there's that too, which is a fair point Although to be also fair, Hardholme proved that there were at least 50 that could King Crimson through hardened wood, so Jon or the wildlings should've remembered that considering it was what led to Hardholme getting overrun

@Anjelica Snorcket but then you wing it so hard that any other army with brain cells could immediately cut you off from your own castle, destroy your siege weaponry, and even break your formation without much effort xD

@Anjelica Snorcket the Battle of Castle Black though

That was perhaps the stupidest change they made. Seeing as they pushed the dialogue to be more dramatic for the sake of it in later seasons, why not keep the Tysha-twist as it was?

@@CultureVultureMedia1 Maybe because it would require screen time to introduce a new offscreen character (that's already dead thus the audience isn't gonna start caring right away) and more scenes to show us in a believable way that Tyrion cared about her, if they try doing that in one scene - I believe it will feel contrived thus fake and unnecessary, a bit like the "Tyrion/Jon : I love Daenarys" thing. Besides, they have to have some sort of payoff for the death of Joffrey's whole situation so they used Tyrion kills Tywin.

@@praetorian3902 The Tysha plot was already introduced in S2 tho. I think the writers probably realized Tyrions popularity and wanted to keep him a "good guy" and the Tysha revelation is what really starts his downward spiral in the books.

Haha, good point. I would think that high-ranking people have their own personal horses, with the accompanying squires though, which would explain why her horse in particular was left alone. On the other hand, we never see any such squires... Anyway, that begs the question, what happened to Stannis' horse? That ought to be the most well-protected horse of all, but Stannis walks into battle on foot... Perhaps it dies from the cold. Guess we'll never know! Definitely could have added that, thanks :D

Exactly, but what does that mean, practically speaking? Like, what does she intend to actually do? It's a metaphor, but for what policies or actions? Does she want to instill democracy? Clearly not. Taking over the world? Well that's certainly just more of the same, no?

@@CultureVultureMedia1 A lot of other people gave you really good replies to this question already. I agree with them.

Indeed. I don't think of all the major characters, Jorah is about the only one that wasn't buthered by the end x)

I think their mistake was that they wanted to keep him a "good guy" and didn't want to explore his darker side like in the books. I think the omission of the Tysha revelation was really the shot in the heart for his character.

That's how it is. The further back you go with GoT the better the seasons get. So S8 is easy to hate, S7 is still easy to poke holes in and hate, S6 is ok for the most part, maybe a few nit picks here and there

@@AverageAlien Uhhhh, no! S6 and S5 were HORRIBLE!!!

@@turrican4d599 yeah, after rewatching those, they're awful

​@@AverageAlienno they're not. They aren't the first four seasons, but not S8 either. They're good enough.

I know she doesn't hate him, but how does Jaqen know?? He had only Arya's sincere face to go on. She doesn't even realize she's lying herself, so how does he?

@@CultureVultureMedia1 how does Jaqen know anything he asked her?

​@@xxamylgrantxx It's quite simple. When a person knows their lying, it's hard to conceil it. Arya was not doing a good enough job of that *when she knew* she was lying. On the topic of the Hound though, Arya was being sincere, so not lying, but Jaqen detects a lie which is not there. It is possible to say something untrue whilst not lying if you think what you say is the truth. That was the case with Arya.

Most of this Season is pretty much filler

@@gfilmer7150 agreed

@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 Not to sound like a book purist, but if we got the plot lines and beats from AFFC and ADWD, maybe season would've been less boring

@@gfilmer7150 These fillers are the backbone of GoT. If you just want to watch some action popcorn cinema, there's plenty around. The first half of season 5 was peak GoT.

@@christiangwenner6384 Oh wow, strawmaning my argument with the action addiction crowd. The character building scenes in Season 5 don’t build any character, it just wastes so much time. No Jon becoming cruel, no Dany becoming cruel, especially no Tyrion becoming cruel, nothing of note happening with Arya, none of The Northern Politics, and Dorne is so bad it’s baffling.

In the works my friend!

If you turned it into a drinking game, you’d die of alcohol poisoning before season 5 finished!

@@OcarinaSapphr- This is a good idea. Might have to steal that haha

Yeah, but how did Jaquen know? From looking at her sincere face?

Care to give an example? ;)

Thank you so much! Hearing such kind words makes going the extra miles totally worth it! I really hope you like the content. I've got some big stuff coming up, and, of course, a bunch planned for House of the Dragon. Glad to have you along!

@LUNARIS it is, it was given to her by Jaime, one of the two swords forged with Ice’s metal. Forgot the name, oathkeeper or widows wail, can’t remember

@@alessandrocejwokkkk Oathkeeper, named because she was essentially using it to keep the oaths both her and Jaime swore to Catelyn.

Of course, but she doesn't know it. She still thinks she hates him, but that's obviously not the problem. How can Jaqen spot a lie if the subject is convinced they're telling the truth?

Exactly. They don't call him Mannis for nothing, man loves his daughter to bits, next to Sir Onion. Smh.

Yeah the person tending to the horses probably won't hand them out to whoever walks in, especially Littlefinger, who probably has one of his own tending to his horses. Valyrian steel ought to cut into the wood rather than break it. I guess I didn't make myself clear enough.

Oh yeah shoot I never thought about that! That's actually the worst haha!

These are fair points. I suppose putting details like Cersei's visit up there amongst errors like Sansa picking locks with cork-screws isn't perfectly balanced. Errors nonetheless though, I'd say. The Arya and the Hound-thing is strangely misunderstood by many viewers. It's not about her hating him or not, it's about Jaquen being able to detect a lie on the face of someone who thinks they're telling the truth.

Yes but victimhood does not equal expertise. A mistake the writers doubled down on hard (same with Sansa).

Indeed. I can see the omission though. Jorah, Barristan and Daario to some extent sort of fill that role in the show. Lots of dudes by her side in the books, especially with the Meerenese nobles...

@@CultureVultureMedia1 true - I suppose I just wanted more of everything in the absence of new book material 😭

@@jac1111 D&D: "Can we interest you in Briaime, Bran not doing shit this whole time, Arya never using her faces, season 7, Aegon Targaryen or some bad pussy?"

@@CultureVultureMedia1 😭😭 #triggered

Thanks a lot for the kind words! Glad you liked the video series :) With regards to your objections, it's clear what they wanted to say (Arya didn't hate the Hound anymore & Dany wants to change things permanently), it's just that the way they did it didn't reinforce that sentiments as intended, if you do stop to think about it. Arya didn't hate the Hound, but how did Jaqen know that when Arya herself believed the words coming out of her mouth? Dany wants to "break the wheel", but what does that mean? Not in theory, practically speaking; what does she want to do differently from other rulers? This question is never answered as far as I can see.

@@CultureVultureMedia1 Great questions! To the best of my understanding when first watching the show: For a real world answer to a work of high fantasy, and how I personally took it, I will offer the real world ability to read people. With it, it is not hard to tell when someone is saying what they want to believe versus what they actually believe. Williams (Arya's actress) seemed to have been directed to make these subtle signs when delivering the line, because I saw them on my first watch through. Sure, I had the meta ability to see her journey, so I knew it might not be true anymore, but it was how she said it that confirmed it, not Jaqen's response. Williams is a very talented actress and this scene is one where I think that really shines through. Those who are not finely tuned to pick up such nuance would miss it, which is most of us, so why have the actress include the nuance? The only reason I can think of is because that was how Jaqen knew, and this was just another example of GoT going above and beyond in attention to detail. For a fantasy answer to the question, The Faceless Men are ordained by a god that grants them frankly supernatural abilities. Knowing who is supposed to die, face stealing/duplicating, and causing illusions, to name a few. So, maybe lie-detection is among their god-given abilities. It would certainly explain why they have the lying game in the first place. The "Dany smash" line is a lot less subject to speculation, IMO. We were constantly shown how she would rule, and how that would differ from the status quo of the world. She wanted to ban slavery, stop what she considered war crimes from being the norm, grant more rights to the common folk, topple class systems, etc. All of these goals are in direct conflict with how the world operates, meaning simply stopping the wheel once she is on top is not enough. She needs to break the entire foundation of the system that allows the game of thrones, and all other things she hates, to thrive. Sure, they could have given us a 12 minute monologue about what exactly she intends to do once she is on the throne, but the snarky remark fit the scene a lot better, and I do not see what would have been added by elaborating. That would be telling, not showing, and we see what she means the entire story, so it would have been redundant. It would have also been out of character, seeing as Dany is the Mother of One-liners, Khaleesi of Sass, and Breaker of Conversations. ;-)

@@peaceandloveusa6656 Yeah I can see the Arya one potentially being as you say. Jaqen might have been able to detect her efforts to want her words to be true, despite knowing they're not. However, I'm not sure there's enough backing in the books to say that the faceless men have divine powers :P Blood-magic or sourcery, sure. With regards to Danaerys breaking the wheel, the things you bring up still don't offer a fundamental change. Banning slavery and granting rights is just policy. If she really wanted to shake things up, she's introduce a completely new governing system, like democracy or something. It would be really tacky, but it would certainly break the wheel. Her being another monarch with her own agenda doesn't break diddly :P

@@CultureVultureMedia1 I have never read the books, wont until if/when they finish, but that's fair. I don't know how much magic is attributed to them in the books, if any. Dany did seem to be another monarch, which is a problem, because every monarchy can be different, so that might have benefited from some clarification. We never saw anything in the show that suggested she wouldn't be a monarch with her own rules, which would have been easily undone when "the wheel kept rolling." So I have to side with you on that one that it would have been nice to know what she would have done in the specifics of breaking the wheel. :)

​@@peaceandloveusa6656 This has been a very sensible conversation. Thank you for breaking the trend xD Seriously though, thanks for sharing your perspective! :)

I guess I could have made myself more clear. It should *cut* the log, not break it.

And also WHO would use a sword to cut a post that has horses' bridles tied? They are not loosely tied, or the horse could get away on its own. Cutting the post just leaves horses tied to a broken post *facepalm* horses are not smart enough to "shimmy" their tied bridles to the sliced end and then get away. Uggghhhhh

Yeah, that much is obvious, buu only because we know that through context. Jaqen has only her face to go by, and in that moment, she is being sincere.

@@CultureVultureMedia1 i believe he can see a person's true self, not just their face

Right, and why would that be possible? People pay the inn to look after their horses, so what do you mean? Haha :) I understand what they meant, I just disagree on whether it's a realistic plan.

Jaime never went to dorne with Ilyn Payne in the books… in the books it’s a different kings guard that goes after dark star for cutting myrcellas face… Jaime went with Brienne in the riverlands because of stone heart

Perhaps that explains why she nuked all those innocents in King's Landing. Bet she was wearing airpods as well.

@@CultureVultureMedia1 Why no, she was wearing Raycon Earbuds! Who wouldn't want to listen to epic battle music when they're flying their dragon into war? With Raycon, Daenerys had premium sound quality that drowned out the screams of the civilians in King's Landing just as good as amazingly as any top brand earbuds, and that at half the price!

​@@glanni Holy, mackerel, what a deal! Who wouldn't want to massacre half a million people with high-end audio quality like Raycon Earbuds!? I can't wait to get my pair and get right on slaughtering innocent men, women and children with the crisp definition of Raycon Earbuds - with the added convenience of wireless, and -hold your horse, Harry- noise cancellation! Look out, here I go!

Especially because the guy literally squired for him... squires traditionally help them with armour and stuff. The fact that none of the Tyrells even attempt to point out that there are lots of ways someone might know about a birthmark, just like "Okay guess we're screwed then".

mans never hosted an auctiom b4 its his first time be gentle

I guess horses grow on trees in the Riverlands!