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everyone in How I Met Your Mother kinda sucks (except Marshall) 

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in between filming and editing i got so scared one of my arguments was bad that i watched 46 episodes of HIMYM in an 18-hour span. edit: Hey all, just a heads up, there was an issue with -upload audio being lower than intended so you might have to turn up your volume a bit. I'll make sure to double check this for all future videos!
notes: Hey look I made a "real thumbnail"! I really enjoyed making this video, but in the back of my mind I still have the (potentially very real) fear that one of my judgements was unfair or flat-out wrong. I hope you like it even if you don't fully agree
#HIMYM #HIMYF #BarneyStinson

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@OscarStinson
@OscarStinson 2 года назад
I have never agreed more on any topic ever! You are a cultured man with great knowledge, good sir!
@bhavanakasula4495
@bhavanakasula4495 2 года назад
Your channel is amazing!!
@notarobot69420
@notarobot69420 2 года назад
:TrueStory:
@SinNomin
@SinNomin 2 года назад
We are here, command us, sir
@rayhantellis9952
@rayhantellis9952 2 года назад
@@notarobot69420 :true_story:
@jayjaygoodman
@jayjaygoodman 2 года назад
Yay Oscar stinston agrees
@Hope-eb8hf
@Hope-eb8hf 2 года назад
I always liked the theory that Barney is actually a good guy but Ted (being an unreliable narrator) makes him seem bad so he seems better
@venturex_lina_
@venturex_lina_ 2 года назад
if you think about it, since this is Ted's perspective we don't really know what's real and what's not. Notice how Tracy is like perfect with no flaws, that's how Ted saw her. He probably did exagerate Barney's character because he really doesn't seem like a real person at all tbh.
@kage6613
@kage6613 2 года назад
It's obvious even with Ted's bias that he and Barney are not even that different, Barney just owns being an asshole while Ted is in complete denial.
@nicholebaldwin1332
@nicholebaldwin1332 2 года назад
Ted really does suck, but if you can make the argument that Barney isn't that bad because he's a plot device, can't you do the same for Ted?
@kage6613
@kage6613 2 года назад
@@nicholebaldwin1332 Barney is not a plot device, he's a character who has an arc where he grows and learns and changes. Ted is static because they need him to follow through with the ending they wrote at the beginning, so he stays the same the whole way through and all the lessons he supposedly learns amount to nothing. Barney's progress also has to be undone so that Ted can do the same thing he's always been trying to do, then we get a cheap 2-minute scene that tries to replace all the character development they just undid for the last whole season and then some. Ted does the exact same things as Barney, he just can't be honest with himself about who he is so he copes by being "a good guy." Barney can't be honest either though so he copes by being "a bad guy." Both drop the act when they're backed into a corner and forced to be emotionally honest.
@BaldwinIV_of_Jerusalem
@BaldwinIV_of_Jerusalem 2 года назад
i dont think he made him look that bad tho, i mean even without having the prior knowledge of this theory everyone still loves barney and hates ted. its more like he only told crazy stories about barney but didnt really go in depth towards barney's real personality (probably because barney was always been very private about himself) although ted told some stories about barney's childhood and issues. i didnt find barney that bad tbh ted kinda sucks in his stories and he never really told stories that he is a good guy or something like that. also if ted is really that bad then how come robin was smiling at him at the end, and how did tracy married and had kids with him if he really is a sucky person why didnt they got divorced? this theory is good it somehow makes sense but there are holes in it.
@hanad7459
@hanad7459 2 года назад
and then theres tracy, angel sent from heaven who they FREAKING KILLED OFF
@celinejvr7
@celinejvr7 2 года назад
Still mad to this day. 😤
@nellbug
@nellbug 2 года назад
There’s also the alternative ending though :)
@donaldmacisaac8479
@donaldmacisaac8479 2 года назад
To be fair, we see Tracy from teds perspective, as he’s the narrator and of course he’s only going to remember the good aspects of her character, and would leave out the bad in a telling of her to their children, and given she’s passed away, and while she probably was a lovely person in reality, she also probably had flaws that Ted doesn’t want to remember.
@alyssaq2001
@alyssaq2001 2 года назад
Yea she is kinda idealized through ted's eyes and her character doesnt have much nuance (also prob bc we dont get much time with her) but honestly in my personal opinion she's too good for a man as mediocre as ted mosby lol
@celinejvr7
@celinejvr7 2 года назад
@@alyssaq2001 and that is why I love himym. You don't like the "protagonist" or the main character. Which is so accurate, because we view ourselves as being either the worst or the best and Ted always made himself to be the good guy in every situation when you can clearly see that he might try to be a good guy but he is really not that great.
@ashs5612
@ashs5612 2 года назад
I always viewed it as not having a good childhood. Marshall had a good childhood, grew to become a well rounded person. Only problem I can see is his lack of romantic relationship so he thought lily was the best. Lily. Has a deadbeat dad. So has a fear of being abandoned. In her eyes manipulation is how you get things done. Barney. Didn't have a father figure. And his mother was a nympho. So has a unhealthy view on sex Robin. Wanted her fathers approval. So she tried to pursue Barney when he stopped showing interest. Ted just sucks.
@megha9789
@megha9789 2 года назад
Damn the gang and the daddy issues! (Except Marshall) Also completely agree that ted just sucks
@itsnebi9903
@itsnebi9903 2 года назад
@@megha9789 he had lowkey daddy issues too, the funeral arc and all
@paulac4886
@paulac4886 2 года назад
yes!! in Lily's case too, because of her deadbeat dad she always tried to be present and have control over her friend's problems like a way of showing affection
@kage6613
@kage6613 2 года назад
Lol Ted is super naive with no self awareness and has special snowflake syndrome from being coddled and sheltered by his parents. Basically a narcissist
@Aster_Risk
@Aster_Risk 2 года назад
@@kage6613 This is why Ted doesn't get as much sympathy from me. The others had terrible childhoods and were very stunted in different ways.
@zrethor
@zrethor 2 года назад
I think something to keep in mind is that the story is told from Teds perspective so all the weird overtop things they do is probably due to how ted describes it, as well as how everyone is characterized. So with Barney being a sex crazed lying manipulator might be heavily influenced by how Ted thought of Barney.
@FrankHuber
@FrankHuber 2 года назад
and: probably Ted was a much bigger pain as a human. He tried to tell a story of him being the hero of his story and even in his version he is a horrible egocentric monster
@Crackpot_Astronaut
@Crackpot_Astronaut 2 года назад
Every time there's some kind of mistake in the writing, this is what I tell myself haha There's two I can think of off the top of my head and they're really little things, like Scooter's real name or the contradiction in episodes over whether or not Ted called Trudy after the Pineapple Incident. I'm a total nerd so I actually noticed these things, but the fact that the entire series is supposed to be recounted from memories 20+ years later just makes these neat little quirks rather than bothersome incontinuities.
@Hdx64
@Hdx64 2 года назад
Yeah that checks out for me too. If you had a friend that was a little big into partying and dating and the guy ended up with the girl you were infatuated... Probably you would paint him on a bad light when telling the story That being said. Barney is not the worst, he just consistantly and consistently sucks so we get used to his basic suckage, but whenever he does something good we praise him to no end. IMO a couple of good deed don't change a man. If he was a real person Barney would be a home wrecker and a sucky person to be involved with I do agree Ted is an entitled nice guy, teaching the lesson of "a no it's the way to a yes" puts him into borderline rapey psycho mentality. Not able to compromise and complaining why the universe isn't shaped his way at every moment he gets.
@dalilaesparza3268
@dalilaesparza3268 2 года назад
If we think about it, Ted and Barney are too similar but Ted makes himself look better saying that when he sleeps with someone "he does it with love" and Barney represents him as a bastard who just wants sex
@ProGamer-lk9qw
@ProGamer-lk9qw 2 года назад
@@dalilaesparza3268 well if you think about it, Ted doesn't usually try to hook up like Barney he just wants to find the right one while Barney just wants to get in any women's pants
@LiveHedgehog
@LiveHedgehog 2 года назад
Marshall is by far my favourite character for this reason. He's just a lovely husband, friend, and dad.
@MiluLeone
@MiluLeone 2 года назад
Yes!
@simonakatsman974
@simonakatsman974 2 года назад
He definitely sucks the least but there are times that he kinda sucks too. But his mistakes are easily repairable and he learns from them. He’s not my favorite character, that honor goes to Patrice. But he’s an easy second.
@lewanbroski504
@lewanbroski504 Год назад
@@simonakatsman974 exactly, he has some mistakes but they're not bad and can be fixed simply
@constipatedbowels3473
@constipatedbowels3473 Год назад
@@lewanbroski504 He is a good honest character!....But he is a soyboy feminine Betamale!....In most episodes one can find him crying and that is offputting!......He has no masculinity!....But then again,none of those shows did(frnds,himym etc)..... Even though Barney is also emasculate,but his serial sexcapades,lack of commitment,and using women for sex are the few things that make the show a bit cool and fun...!.... TED is the absolute worst however;...So No arguments there!...
@Damonjager09
@Damonjager09 Год назад
Marshall may have some sugar in his tank, but I have to agree. He's the best guy in the show.
@RonVandeil
@RonVandeil 2 года назад
Barney is a cool character and the greatest in the show, but he is literally the worst person. The lying and manipulation. Breaking the bro code. Him stealing someone's truck and the scuba suit. Ted points out Barney should be in jail for multiple reasons in one of the episodes so there is a lot more that is not shown. He also used Marshall as leverage on that casino game he plays. The cameras and illegal recordings of friends and hook ups. Also, lets not forget in one episode he said he basically sold a woman.
@jonasheisenberg6576
@jonasheisenberg6576 2 года назад
Haha when he left that one woman in the middle of nowhere and took her car
@camelopardalis84
@camelopardalis84 2 года назад
He also tricked a woman into giving him a blowjob. A woman who wasn't aware that she was giving him a blowjob. And when he goes to Marshall after having sex with Robin, he says that he did something bad and that he had sex with Robin and Marshall asks, as if this were an even remotely normal question, whether "Robin knew that he'd had sex with her". I don't remember the exact details, but Marshall thinks it's possible that Barney "had sex" with Robin without her knowledge.
@camelopardalis84
@camelopardalis84 2 года назад
@Skarbie Well I didn't remember those things!
@camelopardalis84
@camelopardalis84 2 года назад
@Cio Lake Disgusting. And so many viewers don't realise these things. There's also an episode of Family Guy in which Brian straight-out rapes Lois. But if you tried to find any of that on youtube you only find a clip of Brian literally jumping Lois because he's so horny. The episode I am talking about is one where Brian and Peter switch bodies and Brian then "has sex" with Lois whose completely unaware of the fact that it's Brian in Peter's body and not Peter.
@L83467
@L83467 2 года назад
totally agree, yeah he has some good moments but he is literally a sexual assaulter and that shits not okay! And he's incredibly fatphobic as well. But i also think ted should be moved down a more towards the totally the worst end because he harbours quite awful ideas about trans people, like there's literally two moments where he says that the worst things that he could find out about a new girl he was dating would be if they 'were dudes', to use the language that he used
@codydrummer
@codydrummer 2 года назад
I think one of the worst things Ted did was when Robin told him about how Barney would get fired if Zoe's protest succeeded and he chose to support Zoe (who he hadn't been dating that long) over having his friend's back or even taking that into consideration since she "Might be the one". Same thing with throwing the parties to hit on Robin not caring that Marshall needed to study
@brennawehrle6321
@brennawehrle6321 2 года назад
Yeah, stuff like that is why I actually agree that Ted is worse than Barney. Barney is shitty and selfish in a really horrific way towards women he doesn’t know and wants to sleep with, but genuinely caring and giving to the few people in his life he deems important (which is why he’s actually a half-decent boyfriend if a woman moves out of ‘mindless sex’ zone into ‘girlfriend zone’). Ted is terrible to everyone in his life, and will only behave selflessly when it benefits him to do so.
@astermoon40
@astermoon40 2 года назад
Ted will just throw anyone under the bus to further his chance of finding “the one”. Marshall-best friend. Doesn’t care that he has his exam. Barney- another best friend-takes the side of his girlfriend who he barely knew Bc she was another “the one”. Still don’t understand why Barney was the one apologizing in this situation when legit all his friends except robin dumped him. Yet, he still maintains that he’s somehow more moralistic than Barney.
@NandhuNGNagarajan
@NandhuNGNagarajan 2 года назад
Lmao. The dude just got his "best friend's" project cancelled just for a stupid dinosaur building. He slept with his "best friend's" ex. He is a manipulator. Pretty sure the accident was some kind of manipulation for ted to forgive barney. He made a close friend's wife to draw him NAKED. After breakup with robin, uses robin to get a girl manipulating everyone through scuba diving gear. And gullible women like Meg (women from fake apartment owner), Abbie are used. He kissed ted's mother. But he can get a pass over shitty childhood and automatically ted becomes the worst character? OKAY...
@wweghorstgoldbridgesgreatest
@wweghorstgoldbridgesgreatest 9 месяцев назад
Ted eventually let go of Zoey and even went behind her back in order to save Barney. Not sure how that's "not taking things into consideration." Now the parties thing was definitely Ted at his worst, but it's not like that makes him the worst human being alive.
@dh2057
@dh2057 7 месяцев назад
​​@@wweghorstgoldbridgesgreatestbut he only did that after he understood, that he'd break up with Zoey anyways. If he thought he could end up with Zoey, he wouldnt have helped Barney
@kike6359
@kike6359 2 года назад
Way too nice on Barney . He’s my favorite character but he’s objectively the worst, morally.
@phumomasinga4272
@phumomasinga4272 3 месяца назад
Barney’s moral compass points south but he admits that, other characters keep saying they are the good guy while they keep doing horrible things and keep justifying it by saying but I’m the good one
@vb2806
@vb2806 3 месяца назад
​@@phumomasinga4272he sold a woman and left one in the jungle with a bear
@TheStoicNinja
@TheStoicNinja 20 дней назад
​@@vb2806if a Nigerian prince sends you an email telling you to send him money, and you do, no one is blaming the Nigerian prince.
@alexadair447
@alexadair447 2 года назад
I understand that Barney is a charicature but he mentioned selling a woman once....
@fatimaahmed9091
@fatimaahmed9091 2 года назад
He did and I kept wondering what on earth made the writer put a joke like that ugh
@bobbierobinson6269
@bobbierobinson6269 2 года назад
That was hilarious 🤣 And actually he said he wasn't sure about it.
@aaronth777
@aaronth777 2 года назад
@@bobbierobinson6269 human trafficking is nothing to joke about like that, that's the one joke that's always bothered me in the show
@luke7387
@luke7387 2 года назад
@@aaronth777 we are all grown up, civilised people. we possess the ability to deal with it
@benruane6670
@benruane6670 2 года назад
@@luke7387 this is the most perfect comment ever. Accurate and to the point. Well done good sir👏
@charliecheeseman6548
@charliecheeseman6548 2 года назад
Robin: Acts a bit crazy sometimes; middle sucks. Ted: Self-sabotaging, too much of a hopeless romantic and can be a douche often; sucks a lot Barney: Literally lies to woman everyday to make them sleep with him, ruins multiples people’s birthday, stag dos, etc for his own benefit, manipulates Robin to accept his engagement, has secret cameras in his friends houses, stole all of Ted’s stuff once, hits on his friends wife regularly and, oh, he mentioned he sold a woman once; eh, he’s not too bad!? Wtf, I love this show, and the character of Barney, but how is he given such a pass because he has tender moments sometimes?! One of the scenes you used to justify him being not that sucky is him telling Nora he cheated on her! That said, Marshall and Lily are spot on.
@abrilakgun
@abrilakgun 2 года назад
Thank you. Yes. He lost me right there. I hate how people hate on ted but romantize Barney. I love Barney as much as everyone else, he is probably the best character in the show but if they were real Barney is a predator that needs to be in jail.
@OMGpurple25
@OMGpurple25 2 года назад
OMG I just wrote out a long comment with the exact same sentiment. THANK YOU. I totally agree. barney is by FAR the worst and he gets forgiven for everything because people love him. don't get me wrong, he's funny. but he SUCKS as a human being.
@OMGpurple25
@OMGpurple25 2 года назад
also I remember watching that scene where Barney says he sold a woman once and I got sick to my stomach. I think the writers took that too far. and it amazes me that the viewers (and the other characters) are supposed to pretend that that never happened.. and we do.
@blacklightaura6777
@blacklightaura6777 2 года назад
My interpretation of Barney is it’s Neil Patrick Harris’ interpretation of straight men in a humorous way 😂😂 like how he’s obsessed with drawing boobs on everything
@shanouboubou
@shanouboubou 2 года назад
So I guess the question for Barney is should we take into account his redemption arc or how he was as a whole because depending on the season, Barney wouldn't end up in the same place on the doesn't suck - suck the most scale
@damookster5919
@damookster5919 2 года назад
Wouldn’t say Robin sucked… she sucked but in a way all humans do: she acted crazy when she was emotionally unstable and sometimes just couldn’t handle certain situations- that’s being a human and I don’t see how she would suck
@moimorak
@moimorak 2 года назад
Well, u can basically say that about every character
@Reiskamans
@Reiskamans 2 года назад
robin rejects ted like 7 times and still has the guts to tell lily at the end that she should have been the one to end up with ted even tho she never wanted kids. And she tries to talk ted out off marying stella just because she still liked ted even tho she rejects him later when ted tells her that he loves her. I dont hate robin btw. i think she should be in the middle off the suck meter, only marshall and barney suck less than her. (lily is so fucking selfish)
@michaelgierusz5754
@michaelgierusz5754 2 года назад
@@Reiskamans Robin only wanted Ted when someone else wanted him.
@Reiskamans
@Reiskamans 2 года назад
@@michaelgierusz5754 exactly
@barney4053
@barney4053 2 года назад
@@Reiskamans Robin never loved ted after s2. It was all ted's obsession for which he kept pursuing her in spite of multiple rejection. She knew ted was a safe haven so she just wanted him around in her crisis. What She told lily at the end was an inconsistency of her character made to suit the finale.
@Robin-ff9nd
@Robin-ff9nd 2 года назад
The rating for Barney could only be justified if you take into consideration the famous HIMYM fan theory (which NPH himself agrees with), Ted told lies about Barney so that in comparison he himself looks good and his kids will root for him when he will try and ask Robin out AGAIN !!!
@leonardorodriguez9121
@leonardorodriguez9121 Год назад
That theory all works if you also consider the good moments to be false. Or we have to think “when Barney bad, it's a lie, when Barney good, it's true”
@sander9420
@sander9420 2 года назад
CAN I OPEN MY EYES ALREADY???
@lauren8367
@lauren8367 2 года назад
Lmaooo asked the same thing a couple minutes in
@heartsteme8329
@heartsteme8329 2 года назад
Defending Barney as just a plot device is really funny cause they're literally all plot devices. You can't claim you're analysing all of them as 'people' and then say one of them has different parameters attached, especially one who many dudebros find aspirational. Especially when you rank Robin as 'sucks' for moments where her behavior was clearly also only to further the plot. You even mentioned that when you said she only acts that way when it comes to certain situations with Ted and Barney. weird ranking,
@bibaolaitan5189
@bibaolaitan5189 2 года назад
👏👏👏👏...
@carolsenna3054
@carolsenna3054 2 года назад
yes
@faeryhan2387
@faeryhan2387 Год назад
YES
@tvbitchin
@tvbitchin 2 года назад
my personal ranking is Marshall: extremely good boy, love him to pieces Robin: flawed person who does shitty things but that is generally good Ted: an emotional fuckboy don't want that man anywhere near me Lily: manipulative and selfish but adorable so she technically sucks but I forgive her for it Barney: love him but he has to take the position of the literal worst because of all the crimes against women he has committed, he needs to be put in a sex offender registry
@simonakatsman974
@simonakatsman974 2 года назад
I would say Ted sucks more than Lily but other than that, agree.
@kitchensinkchronicles3272
@kitchensinkchronicles3272 2 года назад
i agree with all of this
@tvbitchin
@tvbitchin 2 года назад
@@simonakatsman974 I was originally gonna put lily in as the better of the two but then I remembered all of the debt fuckery and it made me put her in as slightly worse however they're practically tied in my mind and whether I think one is better than the other depends of how I wake up that day
@simonakatsman974
@simonakatsman974 2 года назад
@@tvbitchin yeah I can definitely see why Lily is worse when you put it like that. But yes. They pretty much equally suck.
@IschmarVI
@IschmarVI Год назад
@@tvbitchin in Lilys defense, shopping addiction is a real condition and talking about this is usually not easy for someone who has it because they are usually ashamed of it.
@BB-tg3rm
@BB-tg3rm 2 года назад
My least favorite thing about Ted is that he’s a bad friend. He always chooses girls over them or puts his own feelings first. Like when he essentially choose Zoey over Barney. When nothing could make him stay in New York, not even his friends begging him, but some random girl (even if she turned out to be the mother) could.. hell, he knows his obsession with Robin isn’t good for her, but he carries on anyways.. he does disloyal things like that throughout the series, but whenever someone else makes a mistake, like When Barney felt bad when he and Robin first hooked up, Ted was so unforgiving.
@johnathankorkie4984
@johnathankorkie4984 2 года назад
He was gonna leave because he had feelings for Robin. He had moved on and then he met Tracy. He also realized he no longer loved Robin multiple times on the wedding weekend and meeting Tracy made staying in New York not that bad. Also if your most sleezeball friend hooked up with the girlfriend up to that point you love the most how would you feel?
@britishempire2326
@britishempire2326 2 года назад
@@johnathankorkie4984 thats exactly what i’m saying.
@simonakatsman974
@simonakatsman974 2 года назад
Ted flipping out about Robin and Barney hooking up made me so angry. They were broken up, all by mutual consent, Barney didn’t plan for it to happen, and it happened like a year or more after Ted and Robin were officially and publicly over. Ted was with Stella, so he had no reason to get angry with Barney for sleeping with Robin. It would be completely different if Robin cheated on him, or if they had a nasty break up that caused people to choose sides, but that’s not what happened. Robin wasn’t “Ted’s”. She was her own person and Barney could go after her if he wanted to. Also. Him being more angry about Barney sleeping with her more than Barney literally perving on women made him more upset. He saw Robin as his. He didn’t even consider why it happened, or if Robin was willing. His conversation with Barney in the car was literally “you stole her, she’s my leftovers” instead of “did she consent to this?!” Was illuminating. Ted never cared about Robin. He cared about having her and having her on standby. The Bro Code thing was just an excuse. Robin shouldn’t have had to feel guilty for “betraying” Ted; they were over. Also Robin didn’t need to tell him anyway; just that makes me feel angry. It wasn’t Ted’s business.
@simonakatsman974
@simonakatsman974 2 года назад
@@johnathankorkie4984 but Robin wasn’t his girlfriend, she was his ex. She also freely consented, so Ted shouldn’t have been angry to the point of ending the friendship over it. He could feel sad or jealous, that’s normal, but since Ted never cared how Barney treated his conquests, he was on shaky ground as it was. If Ted had consistently been turned off by Barney’s behavior towards other women, then his anger would have made some sort of sense. But he wasn’t turned off, so had no moral standing on that ground. Especially since the only moral guideline was the “Bro Code”, and Ted didn’t take it that seriously either. Yes he did stuff that aligned with the Bro Code, but he never especially cared about it, or followed it with any enthusiasm, and when he did follow it, it was literally basic stuff like calling about cat fights or whatever other small things guys already do for each other. Not to mention, Barney frequently broke his own rules, and Ted was fine with that too. Having feelings for an ex doesn’t entitle you to control what that ex does or who they sleep with. He had no moral standing, arbitrary (Bro Code) or otherwise. He was just being a possessive asshole. And it’s especially heinous since he was with Stella.
@johnathankorkie4984
@johnathankorkie4984 2 года назад
@@simonakatsman974 yeah but you don't hook up with your friends ex for the most part. Its not a property thing but that shit is gonna sting. Especially if it was a long term girlfriend who you were in love with. And he didn't get livid with Robin aswell. Not to mention Barney was also taking him away from his friends on his birthday without his consent. If a good friend of yours hooked up with the ex you were the most serious with how would you feel especially when both Ted and Robin had admitted there were lingering feelings. Also how could you trust a buddy if they hook up with your ex next time you have a girlfriend. The reason to end that friendship isn't anger but similar to a relationship the trust is gone
@gabrieldeluccavieira6938
@gabrieldeluccavieira6938 2 года назад
You're letting Barney off the hook too much. You put responsibility on the other characters and treat Barney kinda differently. He sucks more than you think. What kind of excuse is "he is a character playing a character". What up?!
@barney4053
@barney4053 2 года назад
He is a bad person, I agree. Its just that he had the best growth in the show which was ruined in the last moment. From a commitment phobic misogynist to committed and honest husband, he grew up. The writers screwed up big time!
@nithyaniranjani
@nithyaniranjani 2 года назад
I agree with this. I don't like the thought that he went around completely degrading the morale of every woman he sleeps with. It's just downright scum-y. Sure, he had great growth and he was good to his friends, but you don't forget something as big as this and call him a good guy.
@britishempire2326
@britishempire2326 2 года назад
@@barney4053 just because he grew the most, doesn’t mean he isn’t the worst? Everyone always favours barney, however he has done so much shit
@taylorgayhart9497
@taylorgayhart9497 2 года назад
He is a rapist. If you lie about who you are to get consent for sex, you didn’t get consent, and that’s rape. Also when he tells Marshall that he had sex with Robin, Marshall asks “does Robin know” which means that his first though was Barney raped her. Honestly they all suck for being friends with him and not turning him into the police.
@codydrummer
@codydrummer 2 года назад
Or does he? Remember Ted is telling the story so his character is exaggerated a bit. He wants his kids to like Uncle Barney but also be sure they aren't like him nor does he want them to feel like Barney and Robin should reconcile.
@jaceyemerald
@jaceyemerald 2 года назад
Don’t know how any reasonable person could justify putting Barney that far to the left. He gets women drunk to sleep with them; he deliberately pursues girls who have just barely turned 18; he stole a woman’s car and left her in the middle of the woods. And that doesn’t even begin to cover his list of issues. He may have had the best character arc, but that does not excuse the fact that he is a manipulative, cruel, and narcissistic throughout almost the entire show. I’d put him as worse than Lily and Ted by far.
@Aster_Risk
@Aster_Risk 2 года назад
People love to hate Lily and Ted then turn around and praise Barney. It's stupid.
@kleinerkobold1917
@kleinerkobold1917 2 года назад
He was reasonable with his points but I just love lily (Ted kinda sucks) but Barney is a great entertaining character who was probably in extreme memories in teds head BUT I don’t think Ted just made up that story of the car in the woods so yes nothing will ever excuse Barney’s behavior
@simonakatsman974
@simonakatsman974 2 года назад
Freaking thank you! Also: even though it's Ted's story, we only have that to go by. So that doesn't excuse anything that Barney has ever done. Even without the exaggeration, Barney is a manipulative pyscho who exercises his mommy issues on literally anyone. Robin was his target. He couldn't get her the old fashioned way so he terrorized her and took advantage of a very sweet woman just so Robin would say yes to him and then can't make it 3 years because why? ROBIN WORKS TOO MUCH? Um no. He's the worst, and Ted is a close second.
@h5y878
@h5y878 2 года назад
I maybe need to rewatch, but all his "plays" were based on make himself look better in stupid ways, like disguise himself as a prince or a rich man, not to feed alcohol to girls, also with the "18", i recall he had a obsession with woman not passing 30, not a fixation for 18
@MiluLeone
@MiluLeone 2 года назад
THANK YOU!!!!!! as a woman, i hate so much guys like him, i know is a show, but in real life the guys like him are the worst
@harrie8747
@harrie8747 2 года назад
I always believed the theory that Barney is actually a normal guy, with flaws and good traits, but Ted makes him seem bad so he's kids could support him going after robin, who is barney's ex-wife. I was even discussing this with my english teacher some weeks ago.
@judeannethecandorchannel2153
@judeannethecandorchannel2153 2 года назад
Very interesting!!
@leonardorodriguez9121
@leonardorodriguez9121 Год назад
That wouldn't make sense at all because, just like their kids, most people believe Barney to had this amazing change of character. So it's not true when Barney bad but it's true when Barney good? Also, why would he want their kids to hate uncle Barney?
@ravenwood3695
@ravenwood3695 2 года назад
One thing that always pissed me off is when Marshall and Lily have that big fight in season 9. Lily says "You were more selfish to me than I have EVER been to you!" so obviously Marshall says "You broke off our engagement and moved to San Francisco" or something and then she acts like he brought it up unprompted or somehow crossed a line?? She literally said EVER so, at least in my mind, he has every right to bring that up. Maybe I'm wrong/missing something but I just always thought it was wrong of her.
@brennawehrle6321
@brennawehrle6321 2 года назад
Yeah - I actually think this highlights something no one picks up on, which is that Lily and Marshall are bad at conflict. They’re both super conflict avoidant - they constantly hide feelings and opinions they think might hurt the other - so when things reach a breaking point, they explode in unpleasant ways. And when they do fight, they’re constantly being dragged back into other unresolved fights. Ideally, Marshall and Lily should have had an honest conversation when they got back together about Lily going to San Francisco, why she did, what Marshall felt, and hopefully come to understand each other and reach some sort of resolution. But they didn’t, so it’s just been a ticking time bomb for 7 years that comes out here. And even in this fight - while it isn’t necessarily crossing a line for Marshall to bring this up, it is hugely unconstructive to the fight they’re actually having. It opens up a whole separate can of worms, and distracts from what they need to resolve, which is Marshall accepting the judge position without telling Lily. If they were good at conflict resolution, either a) Marshall wouldn’t have brought it up, or b) Lily would have recognized this is him lashing out and steered the conversation back to the issue at hand, while noting this is something they need to discuss later.
@rylenani9034
@rylenani9034 2 года назад
Ya I believe what lily did by canceling their wedding just to paint at san fransico was just stupid. I mean she could have continued the wedding and join a different program after. But in that fight in my opinion marshall just crossed the line. Its all in the past, theres no point in bringing back old pain and disagreements. He just said that to defend himself to make sure what he did was reasonable, which was not. I mean they already AGREED to go to rome and the best thing he should have done was just to tell lily from the start, not by accepting it immediately. And plus he called her job a 'hobby' which is disrespectful to artists as well.
@GirlDo3
@GirlDo3 2 года назад
Marshall is wayyy too good for Lily. He never should have taken her back.
@DeuxAces
@DeuxAces 2 года назад
This topic always rubbed me the wrong way. Everyone acts like Lily was the only person who broke things off and Marshall was a poor boy who had his heart broken. Y'all, they literally could have just had Lily take the summer to find herself or whatever and postponed the wedding or talk it out and decide as partners to have Lily study the next summer after the wedding. Lily was incredibly selfish, but everyone seemingly forgot Marshall saying "If you walk out that door, we're done. You're never gonna see me again." He kind of gave an insane ultimatum that was way out of left field. Lily could be seen as the main perpetrator of the fight. However, Marshall is not blameless. Lily still gets majority of the blame, but Marshall has a hefty amount of blame deserved for him, too.
@pickledstache
@pickledstache 8 месяцев назад
@@DeuxAces yes! I think that its more realistic to acknowledge this. Like in real relationships a big fight/end of a relationship is always very nuanced and theres never one person to blame (obvi thats debatable with cases of abuse but thats not the point here).
@imbuffysummers
@imbuffysummers 2 года назад
The way Barney and Ted act around Robin when she has a boyfriend and they’re pining for her is much more terrifying than any behavior she ever showed when in their shoes
@oliviabrasier6990
@oliviabrasier6990 2 года назад
You’re way too kind on Barney. Yes he has good character growth but he constantly lies, cheats, manipulates. His CONSTANT misogyny honestly makes it hard for me to watch the show. I just roll my eyes every time. He once made a joke about sexual assault charges. I definitely think he should be at the bottom along with Ted. Lily might be manipulative but she never joked about sexual assault. She sucks medium. And robin isn’t that bad at all. She didn’t do that much wrong.
@kebabson3797
@kebabson3797 2 года назад
Joking about sexual assault is not as bad as being manipulative ffs.
@Emily-ok8om
@Emily-ok8om 2 года назад
There has also been multiple times she has joked about making out with robin when robin wasnt into it…
@Pikachewzz
@Pikachewzz 2 года назад
Robin cheated once, she left most of her relationships for her career only to regret her decisions on multiple occasions, tried to meddle in her exes relationships/lives, AND she DOESN'T LIKE FIELD OF DREAMS.
@okkRupi
@okkRupi 2 года назад
Robin constantly berates Patrice
@fredcarvalho6039
@fredcarvalho6039 2 года назад
Lily, apart from the misogyny, does all the things you blame Barney of doing, plus SHE STEALS, which is worse than doing some jokes.
@iamshikhersrivastava
@iamshikhersrivastava 2 года назад
- instead of telling a self absorbed story to his kids, he should be telling them. Kids, be more like uncle Marshall. - I think Barney would also be in the 'Sucks a lot area' or above. also probably Ted was exaggerating how Barney was so that his kids don't mind him dating uncle Barney's ex wife. Because his kids have always seen Barney as the nice uncle who takes care of his daughter.
@LungaMasilela
@LungaMasilela 2 месяца назад
Nope be a bit like Barney because in modern times people such as Marshall don’t go far in life.Marshall got very lucky in finding Lily most young girls would have played him and he would have eventually turned into barney.
@ishita4215
@ishita4215 2 года назад
The older I grow, the more i loathe everything barney says and does. His character is overtly misogynistic and the good he has done in the show can't overshadow the all t he wrongs by a long margin. I try to speicfically rewatch marshall centric episodes anyways, that guy is like a beacon of goodness and warmth!!
@MiluLeone
@MiluLeone 2 года назад
Exactly, when i was younger, i didn't like Barney so much but when i grew up, i realized how misogynistic he is
@bibaolaitan5189
@bibaolaitan5189 2 года назад
Ohhh plss
@jaykun182
@jaykun182 9 месяцев назад
I'll second that "oh plsss"
@melissabarrera8913
@melissabarrera8913 2 года назад
I go back and forth with Lily, she often does things that are just the exact kind of manipulative and nosy that drive me off the wall but then she shows herself to be the kindness, must understanding person ever and it's just impossibly to hate her. Ted is the jerk thought, I'm with you on that lol
@OGflig
@OGflig 2 года назад
lily left marshall, ruined the dress, purposely ruined relationships, lied to marshall about her debt, and has the audactity to get incredibly mad when marshall or anyone else make small mistakes, lily is insufferable and i only realized after rewatching the show multiple times
@tj-maxx7771
@tj-maxx7771 Год назад
@@OGflig i only now started watching the show and i absolutely hate lily. she did some of the most messed up stuff aside from barney and is most definitely the most manipulative.
@HiImlizzmitchell
@HiImlizzmitchell Год назад
@@OGflig plus, she cries like a baby
@LungaMasilela
@LungaMasilela 2 месяца назад
Nah Lily sucks and Marshall is a weak men ,they should have never gotten back together.
@yup9805
@yup9805 2 года назад
I remember Barney saying something along the lines of... "The only time you wait a month to sleep with a girl is if she's 17 years and 11 months old." Sounds like a great guy.
@marcoantino2920
@marcoantino2920 7 месяцев назад
he literally admits he abandons women on the woods
@thegodfather6581
@thegodfather6581 2 года назад
I think the worst thing Marshall ever did was to represent Zoey on the Arcadian thing. If he'd succeeded his best friends would've lost their jobs.
@nadja7228
@nadja7228 2 года назад
i think the worst flaw in marshall is that he’s got some serious internalised misogyny. like how he totally supports barney and ted all the time when they’re going for a girl and craves to be their wingman (even though he knows, because he knows the law, the girls are drunk and therefore cannot give consent) but as soon as robin sleeps with the naked man he completely slut shames her. not only that but his whole behaviour in the episode on “names for babies” where the only reason he doesn’t want to have a girl is the fact that they’re being sexualised. he doesn’t realise how fucked up his way of thinking of women is and how often he says really hurtful and misogynistic things and can be thankful that the two women in his friend group are his wife and a girl that was raised as a boy and therefore isn’t as much hurt by the stuff he says. putting marshall at the top and least sucky person only works due to the male perception of the series.
@journey7701
@journey7701 2 года назад
@@nadja7228 I completely agree and for that reason I also give Lily some lead way with leaving before their wedding to go to San Francisco. Yes it was selfish, but personally I’ve seen in a lot of relationships how once the woman gets married, only the man gets to grow in his career and the woman has to put him first. I think lily leaving for San Francisco was her realizing that she never took the chance to fully attempt an art career because she lost herself in her relationship and that she wouldn’t get the chance to do anything once she got married. Really she shouldn’t have waited 8 whole years before realizing this but as someone who’s also worried about losing herself in a relationship, I get where she’s coming from.
@MoonpetalLily
@MoonpetalLily 2 года назад
Mmm I’d trade Robin and Barney. I know Barney is a caricature but his misogyny makes it almost impossible for me to rewatch the show nowadays.
@oliviabrasier6990
@oliviabrasier6990 2 года назад
Same I honestly can’t stand it
@mariechenanapasta5698
@mariechenanapasta5698 2 года назад
It really is unwatchable...and the goddamn racism!
@God-ud3yo
@God-ud3yo 2 года назад
@@mariechenanapasta5698 racism? how
@MiluLeone
@MiluLeone 2 года назад
Exactly, i always said that and nobody agreed with me, i'm glad i'm not alone 😂
@erikb.n.l3780
@erikb.n.l3780 2 года назад
@@mariechenanapasta5698 ??????
@SergioHernandez-le8wp
@SergioHernandez-le8wp 2 года назад
100% Agree on Lily she's the worst, and I absolutely HATE that she never got any comeuppance for her behavior. It would've been so satisfying to get at least one episode of it. As for Ted. The only thing I disagree on is that the reason he's single is not because these beautiful women were never good enough for him. It's that they weren't right for him, and THEY eventually left HIM. Robin wanted career and no kids, so that ended. Victoria left Ted to go to Germany and he finally got to be with Robin and since then she was never able to believe that Ted wouldn't always be in love with her. Stella literally left him on the altar, and Zoe cared more about her building than she did Ted and his career. He IS a douche, but when it came to women, he was ready to settle down several times. The women were not. He really did need to wait for "the one".
@Alice-ge3dh
@Alice-ge3dh 2 года назад
I think Ted is the worst. He has the typical traits of narcissistic personality: he wants to find a girl who meets his needs, but he's not able to compromise or change a bit for them; he loves bombing at the beginning and then he brakes up with them when he gets tired or when they don't fit in his checklist; he takes his friends for granted and his needs are more important than the others. Barney on the other side cares a lot about his friends and always show affection and appreciation in his own way. He's a player with women who doesn't know, but why should he care? I mean, he just wants to have fun, but the moment he care about someone his best side comes out. I partially agree with Lily, but I don't think she is the worst. It's true, she is manipulative, but I like that she always says what she thinks and plays like a 'mom' role. So, in my ranking I would change just the last two: with Lily sucks bigly and Ted the worst.
@nebucamv5524
@nebucamv5524 2 года назад
Me too! I wondered how Lily can be worse than Ted ...
@aziztutum2603
@aziztutum2603 2 года назад
I know ted has bad sides in his personality, but with barney we can't call ted the worst
@williambuttlicker5654
@williambuttlicker5654 2 года назад
barney canonically sold a girl, and you're still saying he's better than Lily aNd Ted?
@thebelen2359
@thebelen2359 2 года назад
Barney is still the worst by far imo. "Why should he care? He just wants to have fun" he should care because they're people, wether he knows them or not, and having fun doesn't justify extreme manipulative behavior and litterally selling a woman.
@jonasheisenberg6576
@jonasheisenberg6576 2 года назад
@@thebelen2359 I see your point and Barney does do a lot of really bad stuff but in terms of the characters ted stays the same in all 9 seasons and always is being bored of every girl after a while. Like when he runs away with Victoria from her own wedding even while knowing from experience how that must feel to Klaus. But then he still dumps her just because he wants someone even more that clearly is not in love with him. Barney on the other hand has a character development and even though he does everything to get layed he is a loyal friend to the group. Also (correct me if I'm wrong here) I think after he has his first real relationship he doesn't really do bad stuff to girls anymore (except to Nora).
@diogocampos7094
@diogocampos7094 2 года назад
Robin -> Only wants what she can't get, subconsciously loves to have ted has an orbiter. - Cheats on Kevin (the nicest guy ever, well behind Marshall of course) - Not really her fault per se but dating Barney after dating Ted is kinda meh Ted -> Too egotistical about is love life, loses sight of other important stuff, and sometimes uses love to justify ridiculous actions by his part. Gotta think that if he kinda sounds like a douche as the narrator, imagine what really happened from a neutral perspective. Barney -> An overall very shitty person objectively speaking, treats women as objects and overall has very borderline prison inducing beliefs -> sexual predator -> Cheats on Nora Lily -> She's the worst. -Doesn't tell Marshall about her credit card debt until strictly necessary - Manipulates Ted's love life - Bets on friend's life for her own entertainment (Marshall is in on this too) - Thinks she's the ultimate advisor, so therefore she has the right to change things in her friend group that don´t go her way. - Selfishly goes to San Francisco, although she could follow her dream in NY anyway, she fails and therefore comes back, she ultimately doubted her marriage with Marshall enough to find and excuse to run away from it.
@Zahra-wd6gb
@Zahra-wd6gb 2 года назад
Eh, you kind of missed out a lot of stuff Marshall did here. He's a really great guy, but he's still not perfect. Like the way he pressured Lily to have thanksgiving dinner with her dad who neglected her as a child just because 'he's my family too'. That was way out of line in my opinion and very disrespectful to Lilys boundaries, and sort of dismissive to what Lily actually had to go through as a kid, trying to force her dad back into her life. He did a similar thing to Barney with his dad as well. I think it came from a place of misunderstanding though, because he had the best dad in the world, but still insensitive. Also the way he acted after Lily broke up with him to go to San Francisco. He kind of stalked her by tracking the activity on her credit cards, attempting to call her after she didn't want to be contacted, following "her" to some hotel in NY only to assault some guy who he thought was Lilys' new boyfriend. As Ted even put it "you're pathetic". I'm really glad that he moved on from this low point of his life though. He had his ups and downs just like everyone else, so imo, he 'sucks just a small amount', not perfect.
@winnielou8206
@winnielou8206 2 года назад
Big agree especially on the Dad stuff. Good intentions but he should respect Lily's choice of being no contact with her dad.
@matthew1002
@matthew1002 2 года назад
Not everything about Marshall is perfect, yes. Like the slapping. My god, the way he brutalized Barney. But he did kind of deserve it.
@adri7063
@adri7063 Год назад
Well they made a bet and barney came up with the idea so I wouldn't say Marshall did anything wrong
@JoybuzzerX
@JoybuzzerX 2 года назад
Remember, Marshal told Robin to keep a hairdryer to win his bet :) Ted didn't sabotage every relationship and I'd say deep down he wanted Robin the whole show UNTIL he met Tracy. It took Tracy for him to give up on Robin.
@efoxkitsune9493
@efoxkitsune9493 2 года назад
Exactly, I mean that's literally the narrative of the entire show.
@vascocarvalho2451
@vascocarvalho2451 2 года назад
I think the story of Lily and Marshall's break up is worst than her just leaving to go pain in San Francisco. Marshall and Lily talked about her applying and she said she just wanted to see if she could get in and she would never actually go. She lied multiple times about the topic before leaving and left with no consideration for Marshall's feelings. Plus, it's evident she only came back cause she was a failed artist who would never make it so she realized what she lost
@joaoassis6157
@joaoassis6157 2 года назад
Coming up with the idea of a suck-meter is very Barney-like and creating a real graphic would make Marshall so proud
@krshivraj10
@krshivraj10 2 года назад
This is what happens when you watch a series too many times.
@siddharthsingh913
@siddharthsingh913 2 года назад
I think Barney had the best character development throughout 9 seasons.
@barney4053
@barney4053 2 года назад
Only to be ruined by the last moment.
@barney4053
@barney4053 2 года назад
@Cio Lake Barney was a devil in earlier seasons i agree, but here I'm talking about the changes he had from S1 to S9, ruined in the last two episodes destroying all the character developments.
@barney4053
@barney4053 2 года назад
@Skarbie Well Going by your argument, Walter white is responsible for the meth business in world. Barney is bad and he's not glorified for his bad deeds.
@britishempire2326
@britishempire2326 2 года назад
@@barney4053 Doesn’t mean what he did is justifiable just because he “changed” in the later seasons. Stop letting barney off the hook
@oskarkuelz2706
@oskarkuelz2706 2 года назад
He had a good development - but this is not the same as being good or medium sucking. If start doing maths and being reallyreally shitty at it, let's say 1 out of 10, and someone else starts with 6 - I might better my abilities the most (coming to 4) but I would still be worse than someone staying at 6. He grew but he started as a predator. It's ridiculous to make him suck less than Robin.
@shrabintuladhar525
@shrabintuladhar525 2 года назад
Marshall is the soul of the group. The morality goes out the window when hes not there. (Commented just to help this video reach 300 comments, my fingers couldn't help it)
@aniversum_02
@aniversum_02 2 года назад
1:00 Major Success *salute*
@viiusa2128
@viiusa2128 2 года назад
Himym has a big place in my heart. It makes me feel nostalgic and happy whenever I watch it. Still I would absolutely agree with your depiction of the characters, they mostly „suck“. But I would say that they suck in a way most people suck, they‘re not just archetypes but realistic characters with realistic flaws.
@brennawehrle6321
@brennawehrle6321 2 года назад
Really interesting analysis! One thing I wanted to add - I do agree that Lily has a lot of bad qualities which are overlooked, but I actually don’t think her breaking off the engagement is one of them. As hard as it was on Marshall, it seems to me that she really needed that space; if she had gone through with the wedding, she may have ended up regretting it, resulting in a far worse and messier situation. She should have been more honest with Marshall about what she was going through, but the fact that he didn’t want to let her go makes me understand why that wasn’t feasible. I think sometimes the characters get flack for reasonable things that cause pain to other characters, and this is a big example. IRL, if you had two friends getting married, and one was starting to seriously freak out (not in a simple cold feet way), would you really judge them for taking a break? I actually had this kind of situation play out in my life; the friend who wanted to leave actually told me “everyone hates Lily” as justification for why she was staying in an engagement that wasn’t a good fit. Really changed my understanding of that part of the show.
@alixmedler6688
@alixmedler6688 2 года назад
I totally agree with this. Causing another person pain while doing something reasonable and healthy for yourself doesn't mean you suck. Sometimes what is best for you will hurt someone else. There's lots of ways to try to avoid causing the other person pain, like open honest communication (which Lily importantly doesn't do in this instance), and I think if you care about the relationship it's on you to try, but really sometimes you just gotta do what is right for you. It doesn't help anyone to stay quiet about your needs and desires and make yourself miserable. That just leads to resentment.
@samueleragonetti3378
@samueleragonetti3378 2 года назад
I agree with you, but I have to say one thing. as much as Barney is a fictionalized character whose moves are sometime used only for comic purposes, I believe Ted is this way too. For example, the video showing Ted sending a letter to a complete stranger met on the subway, that's a comic situation that clearly is more linked to what the "character" Ted would do instead of what an actual person would. That's not something he's proud of, he doesn't think of this like a great romantic jeasture, because as a matter of fact, he doesn't tell this to his children, that is shown because it came out with the whole "no questions asked" thing, but he doesn't think of this as something that should be done, like what he did with Stella trying to convince her to go out with him. That's something desperate. I think Barney developed a lot through the course of what's my favorite TV show, and that's why I think we should rank 2 different Barney's, as he developed a lot. Let's not forget what happened in 3x05, when we see that when he literally JUST MET Marshall, he didn't even know his name, and still he was trying to convince him to cheat on his wife-to-be. I mean, that not only is incorrect, but it's also just a challenge that he was doing just so he could be called their sex moves teacher or "wingman" I mean... that's rough, what a jackass..
@akemiknowsbest3671
@akemiknowsbest3671 2 года назад
I like to think of the characters as more of "caricatures" and Ted is just an unreliable narrator. Why would he put Barney in a good light when in Ted's eyes, he was just there to be in the way of him getting with Robin? Marshall would be basically perfect, because he's Ted's best friend. Lilly constantly sabotaged things for Ted, so naturally he would find her to be annoying and conniving. Robin's flaws that are exaggerated can easily be seen as ones that Ted could see as either minor road blocks (her liking guns fore example) or things that he eventually found endearing and missed over the years. Honestly, I find the narration of the show a perfect excuse to have characters that are super exaggerated, and have situations be over blown. Because that's what happens when you tell stories, especially for things that happened years ago. Great video by the way!
@sophboysoph5246
@sophboysoph5246 2 года назад
Ah yes, let's place Robin beneeth the "adorkable mysogynist" character that drugs and manipulates women into sleeping with him (who's gonna tell him what that's called 💀), makes casual jokes about his sexual harassment charges and the fact he goes after teenagers as soon as they are no longer legally considered children and just some other nice touches like selling a woman, that get zero pushback by the other characters or the overall narrative (except for the occasional aww lol that's so disgusting and quirky). But, you know, Robin was acting a bit too comedically jealous of her old love interest that one time and, according to this dude "sometimes acts crazy", so she's certainly gotta be the worse one.
@brandenaustin37
@brandenaustin37 2 года назад
Teds the worst kind of person, he thinks he's a "nice guy" but behaves like a monster towards the woman in his life, hes also weirdly narcissistic
@DrakeStarr-tm2xc
@DrakeStarr-tm2xc Год назад
Barney is far far worse😂
@milindpradeep8874
@milindpradeep8874 7 месяцев назад
This is like Barney’s “Cheerleader Effect” theory. As a group they seem like the best people to have as friends. But, when you look at them individually, their flaws are way more apparent.
@alcidedragon
@alcidedragon 2 года назад
I respect your video but I kinda disagree for 3 of the five carachteres xd Like, for me Barney is the worst because he's a predator who attack poor girl just to get laid, he don't even care about all the damage he's doing to people aroung him with that, yes he's a good friend but not a good person. Ted is bad but not so worse because he's just for me a poor boy who try but can't be happy. Lily is just trying her best to be happy and make his friend happy, you can see that the girl she made ted broke up with are all bad girls for him, like it wasn't a good idea to let ted with these girls, and yeah she left Marshall because for her she was feeling uncaged in her actual life
@cristianadiiorio1963
@cristianadiiorio1963 2 года назад
I always thought Marshall was the best of them, that's why he's my favorite character 🥰🥰
@alexman378
@alexman378 2 года назад
I remember noticing that on my second viewing as well. First time I binged the show I was 19, and didn’t find much of a problem with most characters, but at 25, goddamn, are there a lot of problems with those people. And no, Marshall taking the job without telling Lilly wasn’t even bad, considering he only did so because she buried them in debt and he had to do things he didn’t want to for her.
@lauren8367
@lauren8367 2 года назад
Marshall knows not telling Lily was bad, there's the episode with daphne where he struggles to convince her that what he did was the right decision and then when talking to Lily, the best he can come up with is, you OWE me this. Even his friends say he was in the wrong for it?
@alexman378
@alexman378 2 года назад
@@lauren8367 He did nothing wrong. Lilly forced him into a situation, and he found a way to fix it when she did nothing about it.
@lauren8367
@lauren8367 2 года назад
@@alexman378 I think we're talking about different instances, my bad. Thought this was about the judgeship not GNB, sorry!
@zachharris3040
@zachharris3040 2 года назад
Besides being a hopeless romantic, how is Ted bad? This reminds me of the trend of hating Daniel in the karate kid and liking Johnny. Yeah, I know HIMYM references this. People are setting out to hate people to be cool or something. You're stitching together random scenes of people putting down Ted but he has the MOST emotional resilience and heart of any of the main cast. You seem like you're playing massive favorites. Which is okay, but trying to analyze it in an objective manner doesn't seem like it's working.
@user-mx4is4fx3c
@user-mx4is4fx3c 2 года назад
You are too harsh on Ted. Yes he sometimes goes too far for girls, but usually he only causes harm to himself and very rarely to others Barney on the other hand literally sold a woman
@robduarte4694
@robduarte4694 2 года назад
Barney planned his proposal to Robin on Ted’s building opening night…..biggest douch bag move ever!
@oskarkuelz2706
@oskarkuelz2706 2 года назад
Selling a person might be worse. Just a tad. (Pun intended)
@LethallxVanity
@LethallxVanity 2 года назад
Yeah also he’s an actual rapist so that’s like, pretty not great 😬
@indigoslays4277
@indigoslays4277 2 года назад
To be honest, when it comes to Barney I'm on the fence, because it's true that the story comes from Ted's perspective and if he was that bad of a person, Robin wouldn't date him and Lily and her moral compass would have gotten rid of him ages ago. Also please note that Ted still wanted Robin at the time he was telling the story, so he's probably acting salty towards Barney for being the one to make her walk down the aisle when he couldn't.
@a.ychristian3562
@a.ychristian3562 2 года назад
I don't think you did Ted justice here. You gave examples of him being a bad guy but those are specific examples of him being an ass to create the big lesson in the end that he does ultimately learn from. He is incredibly supportive and caring of his friends (like that Christmas episode where everyone gives up on doing the right thing until Ted corrects them). He definitely has unrealistic expectations from relationships but you cannot blame him for girls like Zoey, Jeannette, and Stella. There's countless instances of Ted going above and beyond to be the better person, and he is really not just a "nice guy". Some instances like that letter to the pharmacy girl was clearly a joke (imo) which if you can overlook for Barney I don't see why you cannot overlook for Ted. I really like the video, but I think you missed the mark on Teddy Westside. Edit: About his character never changing throughout the series I also disagree, as we see him get increasingly disillusioned with the idea of "the one", e.g. Star Wars Trilogy episode, and Time Travellers. And even more prominent is the affect of Barney on Ted, who essentially switch characters with each other at one point in the show.
@britishempire2326
@britishempire2326 2 года назад
I really feel like he oversold barney and just made shit for ted. Although ted sucks for real. Barney also deserves to be the worst if ted actually is the worst
@elizabethgrosvenor153
@elizabethgrosvenor153 2 года назад
And also, Teddy Westside going so long without marrying the mother? That's not Ted from series 1...
@johnsnow04
@johnsnow04 2 года назад
I think I read somewhere something very true about Ted. That Ted sucks because he knows what he wants. He wants the specific girl, that house in suburbs, building with his name, 2 kids etc. So that makes him a boring character. Because he doesnt back off from it and change. Everybody else did some major changes. Ted didnt, he stayed the same.
@a.ychristian3562
@a.ychristian3562 2 года назад
@@johnsnow04 that's a good way to analyse a character, not a person tho.
@icohen1627
@icohen1627 2 года назад
@@johnsnow04 Marshall was the one who didn't do major changes. Ted changed quite a bit
@NinaNiterose86
@NinaNiterose86 2 года назад
_"You just don't f*** with other people's dogs."_ - brianTFbell (10/2021)
@OMGpurple25
@OMGpurple25 2 года назад
I respect your opinion and I agree that Marshall is the best, but I strongly disagree on Barney. Barney is DEFINITELY the worst. He gaslit robin for WEEKS with that Patrice scheme, knowing it would drive her CRAZY and then expected her to marry him in return (and because its a show and she clearly had daddy issues, she said yes). When they broke up somewhere in the middle seasons, he immediately started bragging about hooking up with other girls right in front of her, completely oblivious that it was hurting her so badly. and let's not forget that his hobby is unemotional, no-strings-attached sex, but instantly became a huge hypocrite when he had a problem with Quinn being a stripper. even if you believe his sleazy "ill say and do anything to get laid" personality shouldn't be a factor in his Suck rating, you can't deny that he treated his girlfriends (especially Robin) like crap. obviously, Barney's backstory with his childhood, and other moments that give him a heart and show his kindness make him look better, but every other main character has those in the show as well. it kind of bothers me how barney is just forgiven for everything while you can't look past a few things the other characters do. it's not an even comparison.
@yannizo
@yannizo 2 года назад
Can I open my eyes again now?
@OscarStinson
@OscarStinson 2 года назад
Wasn't sure where to reach out to you, but I just finished doing a reaction to this video. Would it be okay with you if I'd post it on my channel?
@brianTFbell
@brianTFbell 2 года назад
Yes of course, please do! I'm excited to watch and looking forward to see where we agree or disagree
@Supaawesomeification
@Supaawesomeification 2 года назад
HIMYM is my favorite show ever. Genuinely forgot how many times I’ve rewatched it. I can quote damn near any line in all 9 seasons. Even still, I saw the title of this and immediately agreed lmao
@adityasajith1
@adityasajith1 2 года назад
Lilly is the worst, especially in the last season when she didn't allow Marshall to take the job.
@sabrinaaudiotel9227
@sabrinaaudiotel9227 2 года назад
I love the minimalistic setting, such a vibe ❤️ Carry on this is awesome!
@elizabethhurlbut1475
@elizabethhurlbut1475 2 года назад
It's amazing that the couple that works in the show has its partners on the two opposite ends of the suck scale. I'm also glad you pointed out how horrible Ted was to make Robin give up her dogs. The ending makes it worse as Robin has dogs again, will Ted ask her to get rid of them too?
@adri7063
@adri7063 Год назад
Well the only reason he asked her to give them up was because she made him take out everything his exs left him. The real question is will she make him throw out all the things Tracey gave then for the house
@RobertTLongway
@RobertTLongway 2 года назад
Really well done and I pretty much completely agree with everything - the only thing I’d like to mention is 2/3 of the clips used to highlight Ted’s horrible suckage are the St. Patty’s Day episode - while I completely agree that he sucks in a lot of ways, he admittedly tells everyone right upfront that he was an asshole during that episode so even he’s able to admit he sucks there
@tatakoala1725
@tatakoala1725 2 года назад
Ted is completely self-centered and disrespectful torwards all of his friends and the women he is dating. He is definitely the worse. Barney though, even though being a loyal friend that looks out for the one’s close to him (like giving marshall a job), is still a despicable human being for lying to literally hundreds of women and luring them into sex on false pretenses and using them like objects instead of human beings just to satisfy his own ego. Robin is kinda fucked up but I think she never hurt as many people as severe as Ted, Barney or Lily did, so my ranking from best to worse would be Marshall, Robin, Lily, Barney, Ted.
@Mia-iu2by
@Mia-iu2by 2 года назад
I agree
@johnwalker1058
@johnwalker1058 2 года назад
Sounds about right. I would list them in the same order as you did.
@nebucamv5524
@nebucamv5524 2 года назад
That would be my order too!
@thebelen2359
@thebelen2359 2 года назад
For me it's; Marshall, Robin, Ted, Lily, Barney but I agree with all your points
@lennonmahoney7302
@lennonmahoney7302 2 года назад
Although I agree that Barney isn’t as bad as he seems, he was still a womaniser that did a lot of immoral things
@LethallxVanity
@LethallxVanity 2 года назад
Exactly! And it goes beyond immoral, he’s raped multiple women and even sold one of them. He’s an actual monster! Totally agree with you here.
@hels7
@hels7 2 года назад
I mostly agree with everything you said but I would change Lily's and Ted's position. Maybe because I am a woman and I despise guys that act like Ted the most, he acts all mighty thinking he is a good guy but fails to see his own flaws.
@johnathankorkie4984
@johnathankorkie4984 2 года назад
As a guy girls like Lilly piss me off the most. Aldrin justice is way worse then being high and mighty and she doesn't realize how bad it is.
@user-mx4is4fx3c
@user-mx4is4fx3c 2 года назад
Women like you, who keep saying men like Ted are the worst, deserve men like Barney Seriously, Ted's worst trait is being slightly narcissistic. But not nearly as much as Lily and more self aware Barney is a literal sociopath that would definitely end up rotting in jail if the show was realistic
@hels7
@hels7 2 года назад
@@user-mx4is4fx3c Did I say anything about Barney? No, I did not, so shut up, seriously. Anyone In real life with more than one brain cell would never fall for men like Barney, Ted is the most realistic character in a sense that most of the things he does could happen in real life, that is why I dislike him so much, nothing to do with Barney.
@user-mx4is4fx3c
@user-mx4is4fx3c 2 года назад
@@hels7 Ok that's fair, Barney is less realistic and therefore less relatable Still though, most of the time Ted only causes harm to himself with his "the one" obsession. So I do think that saying he is the worst is unfair
@hels7
@hels7 2 года назад
@@user-mx4is4fx3c ok, I get what you are saying, I even agree a little bit with you. Also, you have a good point on Lilly, I didn't remember her being so manipulative and now that I'm re-watching the show (I'm on the 5 season now) I see it.
@taylorgayhart9497
@taylorgayhart9497 2 года назад
Idk if anyone else is having this issue, but the volume on this video is really low.
@lumaabed8400
@lumaabed8400 2 года назад
Yeah same
@ethanpetersen7318
@ethanpetersen7318 2 года назад
Yep
@neshiazumbastar
@neshiazumbastar 2 года назад
Barney sold a woman! Left another woman out in the woods & stole her car. He slept with his best friends ex & wanted Ted to ditch his own bday party to go to Vegas. He slept with a woman in a vacant home, told her he loved her, left her there & she got arrested for trespassing. He's literally the worst. Still my favorite character & hilarious!! But yes he's the worst
@twilightblaze2052
@twilightblaze2052 2 года назад
This is about what I was expecting except I would’ve put Barney as the 2nd worst if you treat him like a real person because he grows over the course of the show. Lily remains the worst consistently throughout the show. Robin starts off really good and stays a consistently likable and relatable person until after her break up with Don. Ted fluctuates from season to season. His writing is the least consistent to the point that he feels like a different person from one episode to the next at times.
@karaseirin
@karaseirin 2 года назад
Barney Stinson is the worst, followed by Lily
@xoitsmaria
@xoitsmaria 2 года назад
agree ppl forgive barney too much
@karaseirin
@karaseirin 2 года назад
@@xoitsmaria yes, I understand that he is a fan favorite and he kinda has a redemption arc or whatever but he's still, by far, the worst person in the group and arguably in the whole show (I don't remember every single character so there's probably someone worse)
@esk5646
@esk5646 2 года назад
I think Barney is a bad person but a good character. Like it’s fiction, sometimes the worst people are the most entertaining to watch.
@mariyapavlovna3710
@mariyapavlovna3710 2 года назад
So should I open my eyes or…?
@heysilly1341
@heysilly1341 2 года назад
💀💀💀💀
@christian_Santiago_
@christian_Santiago_ Год назад
marshall has always been my favourite character!
@Alejandro95XD
@Alejandro95XD 2 года назад
Please keep creating content, I loved this!
@theguideirl
@theguideirl 2 года назад
i agree w this completely, what also completely pissed me off was the lilly owning over 10 credit cards situation and putting not only herself, but marshall as well into huge debt again, without telling marshall
@antoniojones6256
@antoniojones6256 2 года назад
Notice how on this visual scale there seems to be an open space next to and just a tad "suckier" than Marshall's extreme ideal position, where Tracy (the titular "Mother") would be a perfect fit, if one were to interpret this scale from an "Opposites Attract" perspective (i.e., extreme polar opposites Marshall & Lily, less polar opposites Tracy & Ted); with an "Exception that proves the theory" counter-intuitive and dynamically tenuous pairing of Barney & Robin each just to the opposite side of this scale's relative center? Or did I just "Ted Mosby" out there for a second?
@UnephenStephen63
@UnephenStephen63 2 года назад
Amazing video! Great outlook and thoughts.
@erinbailey7940
@erinbailey7940 2 года назад
When I first watched the show, I also thought Ted sucked. But upon rewatch, I found his bond with the group to be incredibly redeeming. His friendships with the gang are the highlights of his character, and I found him really charming
@gustavolopes5094
@gustavolopes5094 2 года назад
Everybody in life kinda sucks, tho
@alittleoflolo
@alittleoflolo 2 года назад
I think this video is great! As kids, we grow attached to the characters but I feel like when you grow up you start to see all the flaws and questionable actions in the people that these characters are. A lot of my favorite characters ten years ago are no longer my favorite 😂 but there are some who don’t suck as much
@katlyn8424
@katlyn8424 2 года назад
the end of the title without clicking on the full video just said (except...) and i was like - i really will riot if it doesn't say except marshall lolol
@arnankloppenburg2688
@arnankloppenburg2688 Год назад
Bro you never said I could open my eyes again
@lottieoldham7003
@lottieoldham7003 2 года назад
Ever find it funny how Barney is the most exaggeratedly “bad” character, and also happens to be Ted’s ( the unreliable narrator ) romantic rival for robin
@BlackandIrish
@BlackandIrish 2 года назад
Anyone else Salute when he said “Major Success” great video
@karatexperience
@karatexperience 2 года назад
I totally agree. But I'm still thinking that Barney is mostly an exagerated image of Ted's friend. You know, the actual narrator, the guy who felt in love with Barney's spouse years ago.. I know is not a brand new theory, but it fits in the theme of telling actual people's lives in a tv show. The depic of Barney in this tale talks us about how Ted deals with the memories of his friend, as an actual person. As we use to do with someone we struggle in our past. Memories are never a perfect image of what happened, but how do you feel about it. And yup, Lily's the worst. At least Barney doesn't hide his own shit under a kindness' facade. It reminds me this quote from Sam L Jackson in Death to 2020 about covid and the police.
@_memo71_
@_memo71_ 2 года назад
Lol your background!!! Great video btw
@John-wv9iw
@John-wv9iw 2 года назад
I'd say robin just sucks a lil bit. And Barney it's complicated, he does bad stuff but at the same time I feel like he's the one willing to help his loved ones the most.
@greenapple1470
@greenapple1470 2 года назад
Barney date rapes, sold a woman once and committed war crimes via his job.
@tulsipriya760
@tulsipriya760 2 года назад
I think Barney only tries to help his friends and keeps them around bcoz he belives that in front of them,he's a cool guy.
@barney4053
@barney4053 2 года назад
@@greenapple1470 Yes, Barney was the worst in the earlier seasons but when fell for Robin he changed slowly and his growth was the best in the show only to be ruined in the finale.
@LethallxVanity
@LethallxVanity 2 года назад
You mean going from rapist to not a rapist? I’m not really gonna give him a pass on this one lol
@barney4053
@barney4053 2 года назад
@@LethallxVanity He wasn't a rapist at the first place. He manipulated women into bed but with mutual consent. So he is a bad person, in fact he is evil and misogynist not a rapist.
@thedoomofred5174
@thedoomofred5174 2 года назад
I agree with the placement of Barney for one reason; he’s the only character that experiences noticeable and meaningful character grow.
@britishempire2326
@britishempire2326 2 года назад
That doesn’t mean what he did is justifiable just cause he changed? You think the girls that barney rap3d, literally sold and so much worse things to them just are fine because he “changed”
@thedoomofred5174
@thedoomofred5174 2 года назад
@@britishempire2326, those are some steep allegations coming from the actual British empire.
@taylorgayhart9497
@taylorgayhart9497 2 года назад
Rapist to not rapist isn’t character growth in my opinion but I see what you’re saying.
@thedoomofred5174
@thedoomofred5174 2 года назад
@@taylorgayhart9497, that would be the definition of character growth.
@taylorgayhart9497
@taylorgayhart9497 2 года назад
@@thedoomofred5174 your British Empire comment made me laugh lol but yes he raped women on the show. If you lie about who you are to get consent for sex, or tell someone a bomb will go off and kill everyone if they don’t sleep with you, or trick them into giving you BJ to save your life from snake poison, that’s rape/sexual assault. Yes they’re outlandish scenarios bc it’s a TV show, but still sexual assault! Also when Barney tells Marshall that he slept with Robin Marshall asks “does Robin know” meaning his first thought was Barney raped her, and more than once they say Barney should be in jail for the things he has done.
@puddin4884
@puddin4884 2 года назад
I think people rag on Lily too much just because of what happened with her and Marshall, probably because everybody loves Marshall. She’s a little crazy and has issues but they’re similar to Robin’s issues IMO, so she only kinda sucks.
@nymphet941
@nymphet941 3 месяца назад
i just rewatched himym and honestly no one really sums my thoughts on the show better than this video (especially about lily). so THANK YOU
@charlesliu543
@charlesliu543 2 года назад
The sound is too quiet :(. *edit: my tv was too quiet :)
@hanad7459
@hanad7459 2 года назад
the only way robin sucked is dating barney, they either never should have happened or she should have stopped being friends with ted, which is arguably much worse
@roi_pique9525
@roi_pique9525 Год назад
I just Loved this videoo!!
@livs9961
@livs9961 2 года назад
i still cant believe Robin got rid of her dogs for ted it seems like something robin would never actually agree to
@onedayseoul
@onedayseoul 2 года назад
I agree with everything you said! Lily sucks the worst, so I'd like to add: her constantly hitting on women/Robin? I appreciate bi representation in a show (i'm bi) but they just make it seem ok that she's trying to hookup with girls not guys so it's funny/sexy or whatever. If Marshall was always making "jokes" about making out with Robin, it would be wildly inappropriate and even creepy but because Lily does it, it's ok. Just because you're bi doesn't mean you can't be monogamous...
@josei1624
@josei1624 2 года назад
in no way can you blame that on lily in my opinion. If her husband is fine with it which he is implied to be/ part of that homophobia present in that time, she´s not really doing anything wrong. If her husband owould be fine with her flirting with other men that would be fine too. people didnt take bisexuaity in women serious at the time, and so bi women at that time would not consider it to be the same thing if they hit on women because also no one else would have.
@onedayseoul
@onedayseoul 2 года назад
​@@josei1624 I said "THEY make it seem ok that she's trying to hookup with girls" as in the show / casual homophobia at that time ! and I was talking about Lily as a character not as a person really since she also hits on Ralph Macchio in front of Marshal and he doesn't say anything but that can be added to the why Marshal is so great column lol
@justinepenni6275
@justinepenni6275 2 года назад
This man had his heart broken by a girl who either looked or acted like Lily for suuuuure
@mangoose9109
@mangoose9109 2 года назад
With 375 subs and such good content keep up the good work
@a.r.4822
@a.r.4822 Год назад
The close-up to your face while cringeing must be my new favorite meme
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