Everyone Is On Steroids 

After watching this, do you not find it "odd" that there has only ever been ONE POSITIVE TEST in the history of CrossFit for testosterone?

After coming from the bodybuilding world to the CrossFit world a little over a year ago, there is absolutely no way 95% of the athletes are not in something. After 3 months of doing CrossFit I was confused as to why everyone assumes all the athletes are “clean”

The T/E ratio I believe differs depending on the governing body of the sport. For example, cycling allows a 6:1 ratio vs the 4:1 you are stating. MMA is regulated by the state that the fight is taking place and I believe that most states allow a 6:1 ratio as well.

the main way in which to monitor the use of anabolic steroid is through waste water sampling. Since 2008, there were up to 20 studies done on waste water sampling and has shown only small increases in steroid use in certain communities. Since many athletes tend to live within five to 10 miles of their gym these can be pretty good indicators for the use and even quantifiable levels of steroid use. I have friend from graduate school who conducted one of these studies. It seems it may not be as rampant in use as some speculate, otherwise we should see large increases in some communities.

“Everybody’s on steroids” - Nathan Diaz

I have been doing bodybuilding for over 12 years and done a few years of crossfit and ive taken tons steroids and it's obvious that the professional athletes are not clean

Imagine being the athletes that were being given the saline solution. What a ripoff 😂 😂

hey andrew! just a note about the T/E ratio those with naturally high T levels will also have high E which means that adding 300 mg/week will not raise their T by a large proportion, those with low T levels and subsequently low E levels, the same 300 mg/week will represent a much higher proportion of their over all T and therefore raise the T/E ratio significantly. e.g my T = 100 E = 100 I add 300 I have 4/1 ratio, if my T was only 10 the E would be 10 adding 300 would mean my T/E would be 31/1 hence the variance in the study

Maybe the same people checking the validity of the online videos are in charge of screening for steroids 🤣.

My favorite white-knight line is, "Steroids don't matter if you don't work hard." Yeah sure, easy to work hard when your recovery is enhanced on the juice too. Plus I think there's a study out there showing gains on untrained study participants.

Mat Fraser acted like he did not know what SARMs were on the Rogan podcast. It seems odd to act so oblivious to subjects he is probably well versed in 🤔

Dereck from More Plates More Dates touches on the topic you mentioned about strength remaining even after you stop taking gear. If you bank up the muscle nuclei while taking steroids, you can easily maintain a large amount of the strength and size on a standard diet and weightlifting protocol. So the guys running cycles in the offseason will be able to keep a lot of the advantages even though during the comps they are "clean". Let alone if they are able to stay on TRT because they will need it after crushing their test levels. Curious if CrossFit allows individuals who are on TRT to compete?

Let's play a little game. Name a Masters male athlete 35-39 who began his crossfit career at crossfit conjugate (likely the most roided out affiliate in history), one of the strongest games athletes ever, and still displays dramatic changes in his physique (i.e. goes from fluffy to lean quickly and often)...GO!

Everyone should know this through common sense. I’m not quite sure why people get so up in arms when I tell them how many cross fitters are using something. In strength sports like Powerlifting, they offer tested and non-tested categories. And nobody really makes a big deal about it. And the differences in what they’re lifting is nite and day. Especially the females, the way they look and the weights they lift is so obvious. Eventually we will have very scientific testing and the results will be very clear. I actually believe we have the technology but we aren’t using it.

DAMN! OK. I'VE had 6 beers. Listened to this whole thing. Didn't understand crap. Just take a breath!

CrossFit reminds me of bodybuilding in the 70"s and 80's when everyone knew they were all juiced but no bodybuilder would admit it. That's changed in bodybuilding but CrossFit is sticking with their story. Athletes at the games level is the juiciest sport around and everyone knows it.

How did you get those beautiful thick Ecuadorian caterpillars above those eyes?

Andrew, dont forget, Rich fronning was caught on camera sating he gets a heads up before any testing happens.

Always a controversial subject 😎 but for sure there are athletes in CrossFit that are on something. I have trained in gyms since the early 80's and PED's were rampant then and most users were not even amateur level body builders just recreational. PED's are in every sport, including Golf of all things. I'm not against them to be honest but I am for a one for all, all for one approach. We need a Natty vs PED CrossFit Games 😁

Derek from MPMD has entered the chat room.

I laugh out loud when I hear anyone make the statement “crossfit athletes are clean” 😆😆

Watch the movie Icarus.

Just checking, I use creatine monohydrate 5g a day, that’s alright for CrossFit isn’t it?

Sorry, forgot onr important thing about steroids and SARMS. Smart athletes get "designer" steroids and SARMS, ie. current tests wont find them, which is why WADA saves the samples until they come up with a test that will find them. if you're a top athlete who wants to cheat, and doesn't use designer steroids, you're stupid and so is your coach. Numerous persons involved in giving counseling about, and selling steroids and SARMS, have said, on RU-vid that virtually all top athletees use designer drugs.

Tia competed at the commonwealth games (professional anti doping protocols) while she was at the top of the CrossFit games.

Conclusion ...Who cares. We are here for entertainment. And that's what they are providing. Juice or not.

Why don't they just allow steroids in all sports. Let the best juice monkey win.

It would be good if the study went on to retest everyone say 6 weeks following stopping having the testosterone and to test all their lifts as well to see how many more would have passed a drug test and what the lasting effect was. Interesting study though all the same

I think both genders ,top 20 at least are on something the recovery time is a big one for me I know they are elite athletes but still is mind blowing how they perform during competition ,maybe you can make a video about recovery per gender or age we all know that after giving it all in a wod the next day you feel pretty fk up just a suggestion great info as usual .(sam dancer said that his test levels are around 900 just thru meditation)

I find it peculiar that around the time CrossFit HQ announced they were starting testing for doping… a BUNCH of legends retire from individuals for a variety of reasons

I would say 97 percent of the competitors men and women are on some sort of barry bonds cocktail

I do not care if they are taking it. Just stop using those cheating bar grips.

This should just FURTHER let us mere mortals have a better indication and understanding of how some athletes can and ARE able to do this.

ALL professional athletes which rely on strength or stamina to excel at their game are on some form of PED. End of story. That's just the truth. You can't make it to the pros in this day and age without the help of exogenous hormones. The only exception is sports where skill trumps physicality. For example, Bowling. I'm sure professional bowlers don't need PEDs. Golfers may not need PEDs. That's about the only professional sports I can think of offhand where PED usage isn't applicable to be great.

Traps are a good indicator of gear use. When using the sweet nectar of the gods, I’m mean PEDs. The traps tend to blow up due to the androgen receptors.

Problem I have with steroid users is dehumanizing other people as weak or not working hard enough.

MINDBLOWN! 🤯 This explains a lot of things. Omg. I must watch again. Will share it too. Thank you so much.

Exhibit A: Noah Ohlsen. He was absolutely enormous last year and magically in a couple months dropped over 20lbs….🤔🤔🤔

Bryan Miller, CrossFit Invictus, if you scroll and scroll way back he posted a clip where he did a touch and go 2/3 rep squat snatch at 275 or above. He was very large especially he competed at the 2013 games looking like a strong bean. He wrote that he did a cycle. Did it for money and winning. Never got tested during that timeframe before the games. I can’t trust that he is the only one back then and now who did a cycle without getting caught. The sport cannot be clean

Maybe I missed it, but how do we know the four people who had the sub 4:1 ratio also had da gainz? Cool study, for sure. Some more of this every now and then, at least on very good studies, would be nice. Some fitness related channels cover muh evidence based research but they cover mushy or awkwardly related studies to make their own points. Covering the real gold star studies of PEDs/performance/strength/conditioning/etc now and then would be a nice addition to the channel, I would think. I'd like it, at any rate.

CrossFit is the Scientology of the fitness world.

the top atlethes have prescription for testosterone and growth hormone.

Remember how Jacked Ben Smith was when he won the games? Now look at him. Even the year after his win he was noticeably smaller.

Everyone’s going to start eating potato’s now

300mg a week will get your total level over 1000. That’s gonna help.

What’s ridiculous is that Jason Grubb is in his deep 40s and claims to be natty and you can win the CF games being natty-Like bro stop spewing propaganda- No one dude is winning CF Games (NATTY) against a field of other dudes cranked out of their freaking mind- also dude with his shirt off he has the body of a dude peaked in his 20s-I’m like continue talking bro- smdh

Is there really anyone out there who thinks these athletes aren't taking anything? I personally don't care but this clean image that is always transported to the outside is very ridiculous.

So if I eat a LOT of yams? 👍😉

The average is 1:1 test to epi testosterone, but there is a curve with many people with higher epi testosterone levels. It’s only when the ratio is very high that they are deemed to be doping.

Perhaps I missed it--I apologize if you explained this--how did the scientists who conducted this study know that they were using the exact same testing method that WDA uses? Great video, this was interesting!!

EXPOSED!!!

Only top athlete I suspect took something is Tia. She got second twice and her first win was by 2 points. The next few years she magically is having the most dominate wins ever? Same training programmer, been an athlete for over 10 years already so newbie gains, and only switched training partners. You do not get that much better than the rest of the field, that quick.

Whos the girl to the left on the thumbnail ?

This is really good! Very good enlightening information!!!

If it’s science. Then you can always question it, and you try proving it wrong. That’s science. If you find the result you actually wanted….you fd up

Amazing to know that 4 of 9 test participants passed a drug test WHILE on T!!! That is extremely EXTREMELY relevant to drug testing in all pro sports. WOW.

Amend your earlier video. “Number 58: CF fails to test accurately for exogenous Testosterone.” I wonder who has tested around 1:3 and it was swept under the rug? The world may never know.

@moreplatesmoredates Derek should collab with you on this topic

Take a Shot everytime he says testosterone 😅

It is indeed intriguing. But LETSGOOOOOOOO

I hold to the premise of an effective testing protocol as an abundance of positive tests…not the lack there of… As always, CFHQ doesn’t ask questions it doesn’t really want answers to… I laugh at the notion of “in competition” tests during official events. It is a rare occasion that a sample at the Games would test positive…as if someone would arrive HOT. Test a few weeks before so you can catch the user before the taper window begins. In the end, you see what you are looking for…

Where ever there is a lot of money in performance output, people will invest money towards that performance output

This is a fantastic video that should have a lot more views

By the way, Congrats on the 10K 🦇

I am not so sure you are correct on the exogenous production of testosterone from sweet potatoes. Androgens (all sex hormones) have a cholesterol backbone and no plant produces cholesterol that I am familiar with unless someone has come up with a GMO for this product. Very likely all these PED source of testosterone come from transfected human cell lines and then through bioassays are purified for the desired product. It really would not be that hard to produce in any lab that does basic cell and molecular biology research. A recent undergraduate could probably do it if he/she had access to the right lab.

Remember, Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test for all of y'all who think the top athletes in crossfit aren't taking something.

Who is the chick on the left of video

I’m just starting to learn about the benefits of some peptides available too. I would imagine they are not tested for

Cf is probably the most steroidized sport out there now

I'm not

Bro you drop in for injury. Not out! Can you say recovery?

I remember my first beer.

Great video

This is fucking gold

I remember watching an interview with Rich Froning, where they asked him about his testosterone level. He said it was about 1000. This is quite high for such a lean athlete and with all the volume he does in training. I am not saying that he is on gear, I just think that at times these accusations are directed at athletes they don't mind upsetting and others like Rich Froning are left alone. I think this is because it's about clicks not about bettering the sport.

The top CrossFit athletes are tested more than people think. Everyone is hung up on a few heavy lifts and scream roids. Our daughter got 14th last year in Games (Arielle) and doesn’t touch anything. Do some do them?? Honestly I don’t know. But they’re tested especially the top 10. Fraser and Froning were tested the most. Steroids doesn’t do much for mental toughness nor much of their workouts which always includes high heart rate. Perhaps some people will never be elite and for those that are maybe give them their props.

Kudos. I mean I get it. You are not wrong. You are not coming up with facts that aren’t true. You are however exposing yourself to criticized comments that I believe you are counting on. It actually doesn’t matter if you are doing this for likes, for attention or for truth. You should really step back and see what you are documenting. You will say I’m a hater at first. I get it. You will say I’m just another, I get it. But what you aren’t seeing is your “so called truth” That is supposed to be so honest and fair and make people understand is just like an excuse for Halloween vendors to say trick or treating is for kids while its making so much money on the back end people just don’t get. You “ Andrew Hiller”’are pissing a lot of people off. Some which would be some of the greatest of all time. And I truly believe you want to get under peoples skin and call the truth out. The real truth is all the “ cheating” “ steroids” and “ shitty athletes” out there will either be caught or they won’t. The winners are either clean or they aren’t. The big picture is Who Cares!! At the End of the Day! It’s all hard work , sacrificing and I hate to say it entertainment at the end of it all. So instead of bashing , being sac-religious with your beliefs or getting RU-vid likes. Get on the real bandwagon of Life and just put out good content my man. Cuz honestly it doesn’t matter and won’t matter if you are “ the heal “ The Heal always loses

How does this prove most top athletes are on it?

Hey Andrew!

The bummer about Castro leaving, is that maybe he’ll never release who they never busted by getting the results of the third party. I wonder if he ever had a say in who got popped and who didn’t.

I’d like to see if there’s any difference in the increase in performance of the 4 who passed vs the 5 who didn’t. Did those with higher ratios have greater or lesser increases in performance than the four who passed? In all the performance charts they’re the same group but I’m sure there’s some differences person to person.

Hey Andrew, as a person that has conducted exercise science research and has been published in a "peer reviewed journal', it might be helpful to cover the basics of research (scientific method) and what is entailed in being published in a peer reviewed journal. The difference between an single study and a meta analysis would be helpful too. There's also a difference between total and free testosterone. You are educating people in an entertaining way, that's a gift Buddy, keep up the good work!

Hey mate, to throw further fuel on the fire there’s actually a way to run large doses of exogenous testosterone year round (male and female) without the possibility of failing a test. The process involves synthesising pharma grade animal cholesterol (Available through research chemical companies to chemists) so even if you fail the initial T/E ratio and they run the expensive Gas chromatography/combustion/carbon isotope ratio mass spectrometry (GC/C/IRMS) test you will still pass as the testosterone presents in your system is shown as animal based and therefor naturally occurring. This protocol is very expensive but one of the main tools utilised by pro level athletes that have the finances and access to one of the top few sports pharmacological experts / consultants (there’s only a handful) Beyond this i know of at least several other compounds that are performance enhancing and not currently on wada’s banned list such as metformin. One of the big ones up until recently (2016) was meldonium This is a very common compound utilised in CrossFit athletes Protocols.

Not sure if this has been mentioned below but the larger gains in bench press could be attributed to having more androgen receptors located in the upper body and chest. This is a bit of bro science on my part, but I would think if there are more androgen receptors there, that area of the body would respond faster to TRT than the legs. This might explain the gains in bench being much greater than the gains of the legs. I could also be totally wrong here.

I wouldn't recommend doing juice to any woman in child bearing age or wants children its just way too harsh on the female body!

Dan Bailey 🎤🫳