Tia Toomey || Natty or Not 

Again, should I make more of these?

I feel bad for someone like Haley Adams, who I believe is completely natural, and seemingly struggling to meet the strength goals needed to place highly at certain games events.

For me, it is the traps that always gives both men & women away, but particularly women!

Another great video. Mals jawline just entered the chat. 👀

No question she's on gear. She's the lance Armstrong of CrossFit

I'd like to think that between the multiple CF events and 1.5 Olympics that if there was anything there, it would have been caught. Many an athlete has changed body comp from ealry 20's to late 20's/early 30's. What you mentioned about the low t dosage makes sense, but that isnt my area of expertise. Unless proven otherwise, she is clean, the queen and the goat.

I give Hiller A LOT of credit because in a world where 99% of the people who do media in CrossFit or who cover it in general? Most of them are kissing the ass’s of all the athletes across the board so to constantly do videos that hits the other end of the spectrum by questioning and confronting everything that nobody wants to talk about deserves nothing but respect whether you agree with him or not! Oh and the other 1% is Sevan 🤣👊 Keep em coming Hiller! #NobodyLikesTheTruth

I am dying to see a Noah Olsen naty or not. From his start at regionals to his retirement is a crazy jump. But also there are specific years where one games to the next his body changes dramatically after a stretch of little or very gradual muscle development

Wasn't 2018-19 the years where tia started training with a certain someone who won the crossfit games 5x???? Makes you go hmm.

Can you do a video on if David hippensteel is natty or not. Based on his past lack of adherence to rules and poor integrity I’m guessing NOT !

This video should be 3 seconds long. Yes, she is/was on drugs. Duh.

You mention the win margin jump in 2018 was 64 points but her main competition was not there -Kara. You mention the win margin in 2019 was 200ish but that’s the year of the cuts which has definitely been agreed by analysts to be an anomaly as the people who made the cuts were not the fittest due to event sequences and early cuts. If you’re going to report, do it fairly.

Everyone is on gear. Even if it’s just ecdysterone/turkesterone, fadogia, tongkat ali type stuff, which isn’t even banned. But that’s also low level stuff anyway. More likely a TRT like you mentioned. You also left out that after her first win she started training with Fraser. Maybe she learned a few secrets from him as he was just as dominant.

Great video Andrew, I completely agree. Tia is cheating.

Spot on. Great video. Great ginetics combined with peds.

Why don't they make 2 separate categories. Natural and PED categories. I'm sure it would make it an exciting experience.

Is there anyone who seriously thinks she’s natural?

The level of muscle development is the kind you see in bodybuilding. Muscle density, maturity, and strength take time under tension. Everyone wants to believe that humans are naturally capable of constantly hitting new physical heights year after year but that’s just not the case. Tia would have won maybe 2 titles off of her natural ability. Given the fact that she is dominating so many different athletes who bring such unique levels of fitness year after year just proves that she is not natural. I don’t very much care for her attitude and think she’s about as exciting as watching paint dry.

I was always wondering how come she is so dominated while rest of the field who started competing with her back then end up retiring or end up down the leaderboard....😳😳😳

But liver king is natty 🤣

All we know is that if Tia confronted Hiller about this in person, he would whimper “I’m sorry” to save face.

I think the biggest thing you left out was her age during these years you say she used PEDs. You have to take into consideration women’s body’s developments in their early to mid 20’s because it is still happening. You also didn’t mention how the entire field looks totally different today than it did in 2015.

Amazing vid!

Being ripped and massive at the same time while being natural while keeping world level performance is unheard of . When you get ripped you tend to lose body mass and you get weak and feel like shit , let alone perform at peak performance in a competition.

I think the real question everyone wants to know is if Sevan is natty

It's the face. When you see the face get wider and 'fatter' while the body is getting leaner!? Yeah. Juice.

I went to the Games this year. I could not believe how jacked and shredded 80% of the fans were . I think CrossFit’s PED problem is all the way down at the Affiliate level.

Look at Mal O’Brien from like 18 months ago, the most obvious cases you can make, 20 lbs of muscle

Hiller, I am sorry man. Watch More plates more dates, and see how he analyzes this stuff. Your analysis is too subjective, you lightly suggested what she used with no real proof.

The side delts and upper traps are the biggest giveaway for both males and females. You can add definition and size to those naturally, but to completely change the shape of them you need PEDs.

Do more. But i'll say this now, if froning isn't on the highest levels of juice then i'm a tinkerbell on prozac at ultrafest back in 2013 at this present time

Yo! Holy shit this is bold. But, I gotta say, I think they all juice. I also personally don’t care. Make it legal. Let them all do it. Level the playing field. Who cares. If they are all allowed to do it, it’s still a level field. But that’s just my two cents. - Dave Tonn, Out!

My only thought is to tread lightly when accusing someone of something so egregious... I can only talk about my experience and my personal transformation over the years. Starting CrossFit at 38 - overweight and out of shape, I've had a SIGNIFICANT transformation leading to three consecutive CrossFit Games Masters Wins... And I'm constantly accused (in comment sections) of using TRT, Steroids, PEDS, Stacks, etc. And I've never touched anything whatsoever. Not during the season. Not during the off season. Nothing. But, people look at my pictures, my abs, my body shape, and rely on those markers as 'clear evidence' that I must have been using something. It's incredibly frustrating. I'm happy to talk with anyone at any time about my experience over the past 8 years.

Do one on Danielle Brandon. You'd probably PB your back squat by smelling her hair.

Juiced to the gills. Anyone who says different is in denial.

When it’s the off-season, but you wanna stay relevant……

You don’t get noob gains after multiple years at the highest level and training for the Olympics. That’s the hammer in the nail.

110% not. It should not even be a debate. The women at the Crossfit games prove that Crossfit PED testing is a joke.

Obviously she is not using, Shane is using and she just gave him a blo***, get it right Hiller

Broccoli and chicken. LOL It is indeed very suspicious when a mature athlete who has been training for years suddenly and noticeable becomes both significantly larger and more defined.

I think she’s very gifted genetically, but I don’t think she’s 100% drug free. Same with Fraser

The Traps and attitude changes are both pronounced and characteristic of PEDs use, IMO. Of course I don't know for certain.

Your are right. It’s just your opinion. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. 🤷‍♀️

That picture at 6:25 clearly shows their overdeveloped jaws. HGH? Testosterone? Steroids?

In that pic with Rich, even he looks average.

I’ve talked to the guy at BALCO - they know how to beat the system. My point is that I view the Olympics as the dirtiest sports event ever, especially weightlifting. My guess is that she met someone and learned “something” when she went to the Olympics So I see it different from the argument that she’s clean because she went to the Olympics. Last point - crossfit wasn’t around when I was in my 20s and I was athletic and could place a pounding on my body for days and keep coming back for a long weekend (soccer tournaments). So it’s possible for the truly genetically blessed to be able to recover nightly at the crossfit Games. They have everything so perfectly dialed in. I think the real truth will come out when she tries to have a baby. I find it interesting that so many of these elite crossfit women have such hard pregnancies and births.

More of a question, than anything else: in the comments people mention her attending the Olympics as a weightlifter. But that sport will be kicked out of the Olympics at/after LA games because of repeated failure from IWF to stay on top of PED usage in the sport for quite some time now. It's a very interesting video that will trigger conversation, but is the argument of the Olympics as compelling? I don't know, I don't. And we will never fully know.

Love watching them. Greg Doucette and "More Plates More Dates" makes a ton of them. I love how everyone says that they are tested and would be caught. Exactly how many times was Lance Armstrong caught?

After watching this year's Tour de France and the CF Games I'm no longer under the illusion that anyone at an ultra elite level is NOT doping in some way. It's kind of sad but it is what it is. That mindset is the only way I can watch these sports and not feel disappointed. I recently watched the women's clean and jerk ladder event from 2013 and I barely recognized Kara Webb (Saunders) and Sam Briggs. They looked nothing like they do now and all the women looked like athletes without looking juiced. Yes, Kara and Sam were just starting out in CF but Kara was already an athlete who had been training at a high level for years IIRC. I don't know Sam's background. Look at Annie. Barely a resemblance to her early years. Nutrition and recovery only get you so far.

I don’t believe she’s on PED’s. You’re looking at photos of a different time in the sport. 2014,15 & 16 is a very different era to now. She was young and a bit fluffier, you could say the same about Annie in the early days. Look at her 2009 photos when she was a teenager compared to now. The photos of later at Mayhem she’s just put on a bit of weight and doesn’t have the same definition. What you have to realise is she is pretty small so any weight gain is going to take any definition away quickly, in particular for girls, men tend to get away with putting on more weight but keeping more definition. She’s grown into herself more as she’s gotten older and I think you will see the same transition with Haley as she builds more strength. You can already see similar changes with Haley but all these young ones have been doing CrossFit a lot longer than Tia had been when she started in 2014 so it’s not apples to apples. Don’t forget as well Tia was heavily focused on weight lifting for the Olympics in 2016 and commonwealth games in 2018. A lot of strength training and weight cutting impacts your body composition. She won almost all the events in 2019 and 2020 because there wasn’t the depth of field to take points away from her. Again I disagree it’s due to PED’s. She is the best of all time, I hope everyone can focus on her incredible achievements and celebrate her rather than trying to tear her down. Regardless if you “like her or not” she truly is the best to ever do it and it’s unlikely we’ll ever see the same reign from anyone like this again.

I am a Toomey Fan for sure, I watched the last event where Toomey took her time finishing the event, she was asked if she would retire... I think Tia is struggling to continue to live a lie in a way... does she continue in the sport and risk Everything that she has accomplished... I think Tia will in fact retire... No One wants to leave in the way Lance Armstrong left... If Crossfit enhances their Drug Testing, Tia is out for sure as many others... Shane knows what Tia is taking, I would straight up ask the Man that prepares Tia's diet. that would be a great Interview.

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Brave. Headline - not click bait. Did not think you’d call her out the way you did. Interesting to see if there is a response.

I don't know if using pictures is the best way to gauge this entire argument but then again not sure what else you do. The point margins seem to be odd for sure seeing as she barely won then just started killing opponents. Then again she is a specimen.

This will be the most polarizing video to date! This may tip the love/hate relationship ratio @hillerfit has with the CrossFit community in a particular direction ⚖🤨😲

Great video! And I think it's refreshing to hear from a CF person that can see the problems within. Not so stuck up and don't believe PED even exists in CF because they have "testing". Anyway traps and shoulder are a big give away in right context. For some reason they grow proportionally bigger than the rest. And there are some research backing this up too. But for top level athletes that already are near or at their natural max. Making a transformation in a year is not just good diet and harder training, impossible. When you are near your natural max you make very little progress each year no matter how hard you train. To be honest I am not so much curious IF they use but more WHAT they use. Also she might be a good responder too I mean she crushed the competition and I have a hard time believing the top 5 isn't using PED. And as for the picture in the water Winstrol make sense to use since you get stronger on that without putting on weight.

I love how in depth this is! I appreciate this as there is stuff all on RU-vid about her being natty or not and with good backed up info as to why or not

Yep exactly - something changed. Look at the areas women just don’t get huge normally - neck, traps, and those kind of delts.

Totally thought this was gonna be clickbait-very interesting video. To play Devil’s Advocate… Her looking ‘softer’ in the Mayhem pics-definitely could’ve been edited, unless you got any videos from 2018 of her looking softer. Also maybe she was going through a bulk period to which she later cut down? No idea if she has ever bulk/ cut in her life-just a possibility. I don’t know if her Covid performance can be considered truly dominant cus of again only the 5 people… think of how many different people we saw win events this year and how some of them didn’t even podium at their quarterfinals. She did say (I think in the 2017 documentary…?) that she saw how negative she was being toward herself in the previous documentary and that’s what changed her attitude. Do you think if she is/was using-do you think previous training buddy Mat Fraser knows? If he did know, do you think he would tattle, or use it with his new prodigy Mal? Would love to see a Natty on Matty.

She's definitely on roids....look at the jaw line growth.

Please do more videos. I think what's disappointing is entering into the games as the avg Cf competitor knowing there are athletes that aren't natural who are competing against you. It takes the fun out of competing and overall takes away from the sport.

April 5-9 2018 Tia won gold in weightlifting at the Commonwealth Games and would have been under WADA protocols

You can definitely look at someone’s abs and muscles, after YEARS of being in fitness and sports, and tell okay those muscles don’t look natural on that body frame

Instead of calling out one athlete who won again in CF call out all the women they all look very similar in body muscle very biased.

Coincidence that her transformation seems to happen around when she started training with Fraser? And he was winning by insane point margins too

If Tias shoulders deflate within 6 months of retiring we know hillers probably on point

Red skin, especially in the chest, neck, head, arms from high hemoglobin and iron content in the blood is a pretty good marker. Def happened to me when I was on TRT. But that can ebb during workouts as more blood gets dedicated to the muscles. It also goes away for a bit if you donate blood. I rolled over the Tia/PED question in my mind the whole games this year. I settled on yes, but wthout full confidence. But there were several other big names I gave a hearty “yes.” You’re a good man Hiller, and thorough.

100% agree with you. Your analysis is spot on. I would bet anyone any amount of money. She probably took EPO too.

Lmao you don't even have to ask, she got more test running through her veins than a bunch of teenage Silverback 🦍🦍

Appeared to have “bubble gut” in 2023 Rogue Invitational

I feel a good ole instagram block coming soon.

And what's the go with your eyes bro? have you had them checked? yes I wrote/said it don't hate me please.

Use of the word “deployed” very Derek (MPMD) 👌👌🔥🔥

Even Heather Swanson, THE Strong Woman gives a slow clap of admiration for Tia Toomey's physique. LOL

The hulk screams alone should be a red flag.

I agree with your analysis and opinion on Tia, but re: her destroying other athletes as evidence...keep in mind some of them are also likely on some form of gear. It's quite possible it happened the other way around, she was natty and could barely keep up with the ones on gear and decided to start using

The sudden change in her physique along to her demeanor insinuates it and if it is true she’s using peds what a disgrace for the sport… Yikes .

The face says a lot often! I witnessed Sara Sigmundsdotir‘s face change… Looked to me that she‘s beefing up and her face structure (chin /jaw) seemingly changed in compare to prior years!

When it comes to women, you have to look at their childhood development. I have one daughter that played soccer from age 4 and has legs that rival Hiller’s quads and has bigger calves. My other daughter was a gymnast since age 6 and has 8pack abs. You can make similar comparisons of girls that have a youth background in diving, dance and track. These are sports with incredibly repetitive movements that develop the muscle bellies from pre-puberty through young adulthood. So these women look like they are on gear but just have a lifetime of sport specific training. The other consideration is PCOS which is an androgenic condition that has all the good and bad effects of steroids but occurs naturally. I won’t make a guess of which female CrossFit athletes have PCOS but the square jaws, acne, hair loss and lumberjack shoulders are pretty telling .

If tia is on peds Mat was and mal definitely is

good way but don't u know she is Olympian, and using PED can get her ban, so there no context of this video

Just got back from A&W and saw this, time to eat and watch

To blow everyone out of the water for 5 years in a row is INSANE. You don’t just “work harder” than everyone else. Yes she was going to be great regardless, but to dominate for 5 years is just suspect.

How can you compare her body from her second year to now…..

Almost like she started taking winibol the day she partnered with Fraser. Prob copying davidsdottir, Fraser whose been on juice since the Olympic training days. And who suspiciously didn’t have a kid til he retired and cleaned off the juice 💯

100% she's on the gear.

Returning to comment because I just watched her in the CF invitational 2015(?) and she looks and sounds like a different woman. Voice, face, and figure even though she was arguably in top tier condition then too. Also the way she holds her self posture and the way she moves AND the way she moves through the workouts themselves. Yes she is younger and has gotten better and more efficient in all things. HOWEVER it’s something more than that that is hard to precisely articulate. Side note it’s very different in comparison to all the other athletes who have had the same growth and time (like a rookie Brooke wells who was also at that event) Brooke is also much older fitter and more mature but there isn’t the drastic difference though Brookes muscle is quite different now

Good Arguments...but everybody is growing a Lot ...Look at Matt,Froning,Annie(her Abs Looks Like an Alien)... In my opinion was the Last drugfree CrossFit Games 2007-10...mebee the First Froning Year too...but since than Happens a Lot ...now...Nobody at the games is drugfree...Not even at the senctional...

Use common sense. Yes she’s on gear. Yes so is everyone else. She’s still a great crossfitter. 100% not natty tho.

Great breakdown and timeline references! What most ppl unfamiliar with PED’s usage don’t realise is how profound the psychological effects are in a performance enhancing way, physiological changes aside this was always a massive give away for me

Tia got newbie gains after being at the top of her sport for 3 years lol. I’ve been saying this for a while. She also doesn’t answer any questions about her training differences in those years. Look at Fraser, he completely changed his diet, sleep schedule, hired a few different specialty coaches, and grew confidence but loss weight and looked leaner in 2016 compared to 2015. Tia=From continued with Shane’s training and grew confidence to add 10lbs of muscle.

They need to introduce random year round drug tests 24hr notice.. if crossfit wants to go fully professional for the games 'elite' athletes

I think one thing you forget about to do with her face and body is that in the photos of her where she’s younger she is also “skinnier” as all young women are and also has a rounder face which is very normal. Between ages of 20 and 30 women’s faces thin out a lot and get way more chiseled. Women’s legs get thicker and bodies get bigger but faces thin out that’s very normal. Wish I could show you my face at 20 vs now and I’m 10 kg heavier now!!!

I enjoyed watching her when she didn’t dominate the field by hundreds of points and also had the dominant attitude. It turned me off when she would scream after winning weightlifting events. Can’t wait til she retires, is this the new CrossFit where the 1st place finisher has to win year after year? Didn’t tune into the games this year partly because of that.

And then after a year away and 9 months of pregnancy.... she dominates again against people who I expect were training that entire time(and many likely on PEDs). It's suspicious to say the least.

This is going to set the internet on fire 🔥

Not. Next vid.

You should make one on May Fraser if you haven’t already! And then one on Mal O’Brien since Mat is coaching her and her performance has skyrocketed in such a short time

It’s not the abs, it’s when they get blocky and thiccck that’s when you know it’s sus.. Also a woman with capped delta even early on is a major red flag. No winner of the CrossFit games is natural….. Sorry

all of those crossfit mamas are on peds como on