Funnily enough, several years ago, I did check the Greek edition of the “New World Translation” against the “Kingdom Interlinear” in a number of texts. Granted, I didn’t (and still don’t) speak Greek. Nonetheless, even I could tell the differences in the texts I checked. Admittedly, the books of the New Testament were written in Koíne Greek and the Greek edition of the “New World Translation” is in modern Greek; however, the language hasn’t changed so much as to justify the addition or removal of certain words in the text even in allegedly 1,900 years. Around the same time, I had heard that the actual policy of the Society is that, when an edition of the “New World Translation” is approved for a given language, the translators are required to use the English edition as their basis. When the English text can not readily be translated into the edition being prepared, the translators are required to request the Society for approval in rendering an adjustment to accommodate the local language. It seems that this should not have been the case with the Greek edition as, after all, the books of the New Testament were written in an earlier form of the language, and the language itself hasn’t changed so much since then-even allowing for developments in 1,900 years. However, the Greek edition of the “New World Translation” was prepared in such a way as to correspond with the English edition when it would have been much simpler-to say nothing of far more accurate-to follow the “Kingdom Interlinear” at least for the books of the New Testament. Of course, I know from personal experience that the “Kingdom Interlinear” is the literary equivalent of a hydrogen bomb to the doctrines of the Society: It completely devastated my confidence in the Society’s claim to be the purveyor of “Truth” to humankind. Even so, that conclusion makes me wonder if this is why a “Kingdom Interlinear” translation of the Hebrew-Aramaic Scriptures has to date not been prepared.
I was born into the religion a long time ago, I always assumed or someone told me Jehovah would just put the Hebrew language into our brains like He did Adam and Eve, and we would just start speaking it. I've been away from the religion for so long, I totally forgot about this speculation. It seems everything they teach is just speculation.
I agree! Although after I left they introduced the idea that physical disabilities and even homosexual inclinations would not be miraculously solved in the New World but rather would require hard work, so maybe the GB now imagine the “great crowd” having to study hard to learn Hebrew 🤣
Outstanding. I do recall this growing up in 80’s & 90’s, especially when it was thought to be believed Armageddon would hit by the year 2000. A lot of talk about the ifs, & that was one of them, going back to the “original” language
Talk ! To scare the sh1t put of adherents as the adherents brain, as minuscule as it may prove to be, is handed over to those 9 geriatrics in New York State. 9 geriatrics who are ANNOINTED by JEHOVAH'S SPIRIT BUT ARE NEITHER INSPIRED NOR INFALLIBLE. Blind goats being led astray by blind false shepherds.
I am 53 years old and I remember this being taught when I was a child. In fact, it frightened me. I had the perception that everybody else would be able to speak, and I wouldn’t understand them or I would not be able to learn a different language. As far as I know, this is still a belief. It falls along the lines of everyone and all the animals being vegetarian. It’s a very similar concept.
@@Ballykeith That would be awesome if it was true... well, actually, some scientists are already able to understand some of the whale & dolphin communications now - but it'll never be the Jdubs!
@@theblueenvelopeWhich church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14, 28:19-20, Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
Thank you, your deep dives are very interesting and fascinating, learning about such topics clearly shows you how thorough someone's imagination can be in creating a quite complex system of beliefs or a religion, with, as usual, a total misrepresentation or outright denial of the real data, of course. It's so sad that my entire family is still fully PIMI and I'm the only one... It's also very telling that, for instance, absolutely no one accepted my suggestion to open and actually verify the citations in the publications for themselves, they literally each gave the same, rehearsed response: "We have brothers and sisters in the publication and research department who have checked everything for us, so we don't have to do it", I was astonished, realizing that this was me a very short time ago, being completely brainwashed and devoid of any critical thinking skills or rational thought... Thank you for your work that will help someone like me to finally be free of this trap and live their true life
I was born and raised as a jw. I was baptized at 12 years old. And it will be 50 years this year. I remember something about this and it seemed odd and I was thinking how is that going to work? I was waiting to see if jehovah was going to just make it where everyone would just wake up one day and just be able to speak Hebrew. I like your videos because you do so much research and show how weird certain beliefs are. 😮
I remember asking my study conductor questions about the paradise that had no biblical answer. He just said that Jehovah would "satisfy the desires of every living thing" Its a popular verse repeated in jw paradise doctrine. He also used an illustration of a wedding and how if you were invited to one, would you ask detailed questions about what kind of silverware or plates they would be using at the wedding reception.....no you wouldnt and it would be rude to do so. All you needed to know was that there would be a wedding and that it would be a joyous occasion. So dont ask questions lol There are so many delusional concepts of paradise and doctrines in print that jws are told to believe. If you don't believe that paradise will be as they say it is then your faith should be strong enough to know that Jeh will "satisfy the desires of all living things" Like the details of resurrected ones etc etc. Thanks for highlighting the language doctrine. I remember in the 90s when it was talked about. Maybe if Jehovah didn't confuse human language at Babel the world would have been able to understand the Hebrew book that has been translated and changed throughout history and more humans could have learnt about him without confusion and be saved instead of destroyed lol.
It’s ironic-to say nothing of betraying an utter lack of self-awareness-for your study servant to use the wedding analogy. After all, according to the Bible, the “great multitude”, those invited to attend the wedding, are said to be the companions of the bride. This would necessitate the “great multitude” being in heaven if they are to attend “the marriage of the Lamb”. The irony comes in the fact that the Society used to teach as much, only to reject it May 30, 1935, in favor of declaring the “great multitude” to be a prospective earthly class.
Hello Phil, came in 1971, yes definately remember "new language - Hebrew" (and other beliefs) being taught, as it connected with mothers' heritage. Thoroughly enjoy your informative variety of subjects covered - a HUGE thankyou. NZ. 😊
I was baptised 1967. My grandfather spoke about speaking Hebrew, the language of the angels, in Paradise well before my baptism. He had been a Pastor earlier and learnt Hebrew, Ancient Greek and Latin in seminary college. He believed we would later speak Hebrew.
I left in the 1980s, and sometime before that I remember a CO reading the story of the fall of Adam and Eve. When he got to the part about the serpent, he said, "And then the serpent opened it's mouth, and said in a perfect Hebrew tongue..." I'm glad you made this video, because so few JWs these days don't even know what their religion teaches. All those quotes from the older publications are covered with "weird" Fred Franz's fingerprints. If Jehovah created all the other languages at Babel, why are they viewed as 'imperfect'? And there's more! Not only will billions of people meet their end at Armageddon, but also vowels will meet their timely end! Paradise will be Prds!
To edify JW folklore a bit, and set the record straight, the Sumerian language and cuneiform writing was far more widespread and pre-dates Hebrew by “several” thousand years. Cuneiform began as clay tokens used for accounting around 8000-3500 BC, through pictographic signs around 3500-3000 BC, and finally to phonetic signs around 3000-1500 BC. By 2800 BCE, the typical wedge-shaped cuneiform was in use. It was further developed during the Early Dynastic Period of Mesopotamia from 2900-2334 BCE, and adapted to write other regional languages such as Akkadian, Hurrian, and Hittite. The last known cuneiform inscription was written in 75 AD, and the ability to read it may have lasted until the third century AD. Whereas Paleo-Hebrew script was used in Israel and Judah, and throughout Canaan, from the 900-600 BCE. The Hebrew alphabet evolved into a proto-Hebrew script around 200 BCE, with some letter shapes not becoming standard until the 1st century BCE. After the Babylonian exile, the Jews began using a "square" form of the Aramaic alphabet instead, and the old Hebrew script was only used in Jewish religious contexts until the 1st century BCE. Hebrew was used as a spoken and literary language until the fall of Jerusalem in 587 BCE, and experts believe it was used in daily life until at least the second century BCE. Clearly cuneiform writing and the early proto-Sumerian language pre-dates Hebrew, which came along much later. Both languages are understood today, with cuneiform having been fully deciphered in the last several hundred years.
74 is about when my parents started studying but I was young then. I remember being taught we would all speak one language, I don't recall the Hebrew part. The arguments about original language, and Shem's descendants being exempt from Babel is hilarious. I was in from pre 76 to the later 90s.
Yes, the good old days! We did learn to use our imaginations in a helpful way. Hope you saved for retirement. These days there are fun things on YOU TUBE key in Archeology Magazine for the real stuff and of course Ancient Aliens and Tartaria for questionable concepts, it's all good fun! I am 7 years younger than you and feel great, no wheat and anti-inflammatory diet. Stay hydrated. And we have electronic features now that translate anything! Cheers!
I'm 26. I remember hearing something like this i a convention. But it was unknown whether it was to be taken literally or figuratively, "We just don't know!"
I’m in my late 40’s in the uk and definitely my dad, who was an elder, regularly said we would speak Hebrew in the ‘new order’ (another lost term). He came in in the 60’s
Funny! I was thaught this by my older JW sister as a bible study. (Some years before the pandemic) P.S. My 'spiritual teacher sister' was the type that knew the bible and had shelves full of JW literature, year books, DVDs etc...(now called 'old light')
In the mid of 90s I used to read the magazines and see all of those pictures about paradise with lions, tigers, bears, picnics, happy people greeting each others.. Narnia is real..
I don't remember a LOT of the garbage they spew out. No-one does because you're literally in an induced trance-like hypnotic state at meetings and they just come up with new crap all the time. And sometimes they use just one sentence to convey a new idea and never talk about it again! Just keeps people confused.
@@cultytalk well my mom still kind of thinks it’s all the truth but she’s got dementia now and plus she believes the witnesses and what they taught way back and like the 90s back when we were going so modern day witnesses, she has no idea about she still believes the witnesses still think the way they did back around you know 1995 2000 I mean other than them getting rid of Tuesday night meetings and it’s all Thursday or Sunday now to her everything else in the kingdom hall now would be like her
The JW's say that YHWH just backed off and let Satan have at it, yet he constantly meddles, such as confusing the languages and the Flood. The Bible is a confusing mess, which explains the thousands of sects, jewish, muslim and christian who are constantly arguing and killing each other. It is a blight on humanity.
Fascinating study. Really interesting to learn how Esperanto was once used also. I always looked in vain under their list of languages to see if Esperanto just might be there. I wonder if there are any surviving tracts in the language, or at least images. Essential glossary: The Truth - La Vero. The New System - La nova sistemo. New Light - Nova lumo.
i m now in my seventies, i was a born in jw, and DA forty years ago. I remember this teaching. i was fond of languages, it is so stimulating to learn a new one, so I thought, ok, just another language challenge. But the constant search of uniformity of language, worship, culture, way of thinking is so boring!
They somehow cant see how illogical their doctrine is, concerned about everyone speaking the same language, and yet people will be getting their second chance to accept or refuse God’s teachings in paradise or be destroyed, which would mean there is still sin and no one is perfect, surrounded by people who murdered and did horrible things, which means they could still refuse to reject their former lifestyles and behaviors and do horrible things to me and others … so dumb
@@astridmiller7938 indeed. Literal bull$hit that stinks. Those of us on the outside who were never in or for those who woke up, the stink of watchtower lies and their garbage doctrine is so obvious and revolting. The brainwashed, on the other hand, they have become nose blind to the stench of $hit coming out of watchtower.
I can recall (not for sure) that at one point they were telling that in Paradise there will be no more seasons, just a good weather all year like spring-summer, but no more winters. Is that true or just my memory is playing me tricks?
When it comes to seasons .. think about it … 🐇hole incoming. With all the weather modification, cloud seeding, geoenginering & everything about the weather that “They” control, it’s not far fetched to assume that the seasons were created. H A A R P & “other” agencies have been doing it for decades. Now imagine, (if you’re an ex jdub, you can), all the gaslighting or as one person said, gas(new)light and manipulation they once rooted in all of us ex’ers. We once believed so strongly in their fairytales, we actually devoted our lives to it. Everything about us was saturated in their cult doctrines. We were convinced. There was no way it wasn’t true. Buuuutttt, then a seed, somewhere along the line, sprouted in us. We started asking questions, doing deep research, etc., learning all the things about the very org we gave our lives to, yet never knew or truly understood until we woke up & left. It’s the same thing with literally everything. People believe what the news tells them, what g o o g l e (corrupt) tells them, what celebs tell them, what marketing & advertising tell them, etc. It’s hypnotic. Once out, the world stage of narcissist psychopaths does the same thing the cult does to get you to believe anything and control our behavior. It’s all just different branches of one big tree feeding off one root system. Jdubs are a part of it. All (non)organized religion is. The roots are deep and very disturbing. It’s not a pleasant experience to realize that everything we’ve been indoctrinated with, be it religion or everything else, Is an agenda driven bunch of horse💩. Anyhow, great video!! Keep up the good work. 💪🏼🎯🤗
No, you are right. Your memory is perfect. Haven't heard (as PIMO) about that hipofisis for a long time. But that was what they taught, that the paradise would be like Garden Eden. According the bible like a global greenhouse covered completly by clouds. But that would mean, no direct sun to see. Doesn't sound like a paradise to me, always just clouds.
No. There will be Watchtower videos and movies....but first, they have to build the electrical grids / solar system set-up & running & keep it maintained. That could take a while. Oh! And the mysterious "New scrolls" will provide some NuLite. Im sure it'll cover everything 🙄
@@cultytalk That's easy, I've been an electrician for many years. Nulite is a very old light fixture manufacturer. I bet the answers are on their website. I can't believe I never thought to look there before. I'm glad I won't make it to the new system, an eternity of selling Watchtower sounds like going to that fiery place they told me doesn't exist.
Well darn, my money was on Pidgin. The WT quotes Zech.3;9 “For at that time I will change the speech of the peoples to a pure speech" but translated as “I will purify the lips of the peoples, that all of them may call on the name of Jehovah and serve him shoulder to shoulder." probably has more to do with purity of worship and clean speech, than the language used. Maybe Jehovah enjoys having different language groups and keeps them around... variety. But i could imagine everyone learning Hebrew too... there's a lot of rhyme in the Hebrew
As a lover of languages, I had imagined that given endless life we would all eventually be fluent in all languages 😂 After all, even though languages were supposedly a punishment (according to the Bible account), they did come from Jehovah, so I figured that instead of being an obstacle to communication, the diversity made possible by all these languages could enhance our creative ability to express various ideas. But this is probably why I can now look back on decades of true JW belief as actually being PIMQ the whole time. 😇🤣
I always thought that a way to blow smoke up the brothers butt was the idea that everyone resurrected would need a Bible study. What a privilege it would be to study with someone like Moses or Joshua! I mean wouldn’t that be shocking that God’s not talking to you anymore - Meet brother Average Elder here and he will show you the ropes. Also he just learned Hebrew so everything should be just fine 😂
I am 34 (exjw less than a year) and personally I thought this idea about a shared language was something my mom made up lol. Kinda like how she said we would be on horses. I disregarded it in the 90's/2000's and never thought about it again until this video! So I didn't know it was an actual teaching. Very interesting.
I personally thought we would just gradually come to learn everyone's languages, or inherently understand once in paradise. I thought even sign language would still exists even though deafness no longer would, simply because it was a part of their culture, and why would god get rid of an entire culture?
And why don't they just start teaching them Hebrew now then & get a jump-start so they have enough teachers to teach all the Global Citizens 😳(!) of the New World Order....er...I mean "paradise"? They just wasted 50+ YEARS they couldve been training, since that article was in '72. 🙄 (Ah I reached the end of your video where you address this!) 😆
Over the years WT's ideas on paradise have changed drastically & gone back & forth. When I look back, I cant imagine how anyone would be attracted to their ideas! I think that magical thinking takes over & each one thinks it will be their own ideal,...or god will make it work & make you happy with it. No thanks! I prefer reality to fantasy.
I don't know if I was ever really taught this being raised in the religion in the 2000s, but I was very familiar with it through my own research cause I've always been very interested in anything to do with languages. It was probably one of the first things I specifically thought they must have gotten wrong, because they said Adam and Eve probably spoke Hebrew and it was preserved through Shem, but that couldn't be true, because Hebrew derives from the common ancestor of the Semitic languages, Proto-Semitic, and even further back from Proto-Afro-Asiatic. So I concluded they must have spoken that instead, and Jehovah allowed multiple families post-Babel to retain that language (including the progenitors of Egypt and other descendents of Ham), but then they naturally diverged as languages do. I stopped my research there because I started noticing there might not be enough generations left after that to account for that much language change 😅
I came joined in 1991. I did hear about the universal language. But I to.d my teacher that was ridiculous. Cuz I knew that they didn’t know. And besides I love French. And it would be a lovely thing to learn many languages.
Do we wonder why they encourage the members to learn another language, when they could be learning Hebrew, so why am I not surprised 🤨 and Thanks again Phil, and All out there have a great day, But here in Australia they have been talking lingo for 40 thousand years, lett them beat that 😊***...
Oy vey, I just love that footnote on how Hebrew will be written in the Latin alphabet - Here's three examples we've unearthed where this was the case. So there! Just classic Watchtower justification 😅
If everything's going to revert to Year Zero, won't everyone end up starkers? Has this ever been addressed by the Society? I've certainly not come across any such depictions in scenes from the Paradise. Surely they're not avoiding the subject for fear of scandal?
Quite a few JWs believe that they will be walking around in the the nude without the important fig leave in paradise just like Adam & Eve prior to the sin.
I recall hearing that teaching about speaking Hebrew in the NW0. I've learned since leaving the JWs we'd be better off if creating our own paradise -- because Watchtowerland makes stuff up.
..during the 20s and 30s it was prohibition, so Rutherford wouldve been far too busy getting pissed and frolicking in his garden..if he was able to take up a new lingo it wouldve been German. PS I love your videos
Genesis 11:7&9 says that it was the one language that was confused and not I'll add some the idea was that that the language was unrecognisable so that they would fill the earth
I heard this in the 80's and 90's. BUT....Hebrew wasn't the first language anyways. Akkadian, proto Akkadian and sumerian languages were before Heberew developed by like 1000-1500 years
Pseudolinguistics prove that languages have evolved over time and one has influenced the next. There's no evidence in history, archaeology or in anthropology of tons of languages popping up out of thin air as the tower of babel story suggests. Rather, there's an overwhelming amount of evidence of the opposite - a gradual development of many languages over time as one language influenced and led to others proceeding it. Think latin led to English and french and Spanish languages etc...Sam thing happened 5-8000 years ago
The tower of Babel was according to Watchtower was about 120 - 140 years after the flood - from 3 breeding pairs with no death and massive numbers of children per pair starting at a young age you may, perhaps, get to 200,000 humans max (with 50% women and about 25% children) at the tower of Babel. Linguists estimates that about 30,000 languages have existed throughout history, the vast majority would have needed to come about at Babel - that is a different language for every 6 - 7 persons. Yeah right. God knows what all these breeding people would eat on a destroyed earth with a tiny tiny animal population, with all the animals heading off as fast as possible to the rest of the planet (feel sorry for the snails). Difficult to know what Nimrod was supposed to be hunting as very few animals; cockroaches perhaps.
Talking of Hebrew, does anyone know how Israeli JWs pronounce "the divine name". Do they say Yahweh, which is how it's today believed it was pronounced. Hebrew speakers must laugh at the dog's breakfast formulation, *Jehovah* 😅
My bet English will be the official language because Jehovah, Himself, chose the United States for the governing body as the place to rule. English is now the official language of business & ❤air traffic.😅😅😅
They look so lame making shit up that doesn’t even matter even if it did happen. Perhaps they’ll be more productive if they examine the reason for a beard prohibition or examined their 607 date and wonky chronology.
Watchtower has some of the weirdest beliefs. 😂😂😂 How do they come up with this kind of nonsense - After Armageddon, black brothers will turn white; the prophets would be resurrección to live in Beth something; one sex in paradise; Jesús returned in 1914. Nobody saw him 😂😂😂
