John's comments about the repercussions that his kids received in the community because of what stance their dad took with the Mormon church is very telling. It reflects the character of those calling themselves Christians who do bullying instead of love and compassion.
A tribalistic tendency you'll come across in almost all communities where there is a predominant religion. All sorts of atrocious behavior comes out when the "in" group corners the "other", most of all when they think they have god on their side.
@@curtisowen3233- Such an excellent point. I’m a licensed therapist & have worked w/ clients deconstructing from high demand/high control religions. The tribalism factor is part of the religious trauma many of my clients have experienced.
Not sure of your age, but I'm old enough to remember the commercials on tv which promoted the Mormon church. They did not call themselves Christians until quite recently, and that makes perfect sense, since the Bible is 'over-ridden' by all sorts of other added on 'doctrines'. If you can find a genuine Christian church (good luck with that one!!!) they'll warn about the signs of a false church. The number one sign that a church isn't really following Christ, is their doctrine on salvation. Think about the man on the cross beside Jesus. He acknowledged he belonged where he was, he acknowledged Jesus was who He claimed to be.... and he believed. Jesus (who knows the heart/sincerity) assured him He would see him in paradise. So if you understand that you are a sinner, and you accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour, you are saved.... end of. There should be no ifs, ands, or buts... that is it. Even baptism is not required. (while baptism is clearly a God-approved practice, and if you get the chance, you should do it... your own decision, of course, it is not absolutely essential to being born-again.) If baptism were required for salvation, there would be no hope for prisoners, those in deserts, and so on. The idea that stopping someone from getting water would also stop their salvation is the same as suggesting God is without power. Nothing in the Bible suggests Jesus's followers have to wear special underwear, or keep a rosary, or wear a scapular, or whatever.... there are loads of false teachings out there. Pray that the Holy Spirit will help you discern Truth from lies, and then read a Bible. (personally, I prefer the KJV... the oldest version I can find, without the apocrypha. BTW, the apocrypha is marked as 'not considered divinely inspired, but is considered useful to read'.) Hope this is helpful!
JOHN! Your work is immeasurable. I checked all the boxes as a Mormon, like mission, BYU, married in the temple, demanding church callings and even rubbed shoulders with the "elite" boys' club. The one thing I still believe after leaving the "church" is seeking and spreading truth. I am 100 times the person I used to be, and I have helped more marriages and lives in the last nine years than my previous 45 years as a member. 75 percent of my search for truth has started from your amazing "Mormon Stories" episodes.
The longer the interview format the more John Dehlin’s authenticity makes manifest. Long live John Dehlin so we can watch the evolution and complete life cycle of a real human being.
@cindybin2001 Suggestion for you Cindy. Spend your energy and testimony passion by performing face to face missionary work when shopping, traveling, getting hair&nails done, working out at gym, etc. Come back here and report how successful you’ve been.
I was raised Orthodox Mormon. Both parents worked for the LDS church as therapists. One day I hope to tell my story, until then, you are voices for people like me.
I don't know you,but I hope you do too! Don't let a fear of sounding "weird" or being sloppy or worry about being perfect when telling your story *ever* hold you back from sharing your *truth!*
My grams was adopted (much against the will of her tribe) into a white family in the 30's. She was fully Native American but her family told her to pretend to be white when in public. She used to wear long sleeves in the summer in California (after moving from the Res in Wyoming) too. As a child I was born with much lighter skin, even though my birth-father was fully Jewish and my mom was only half white. She used to tell me how lucky I was and not let me tan because she said "You'll fit in better and never have worry about if people hate you." I have no doubt the church was a huge factor in that considering the elder of the church in the area of WA I grew up in told me that as a mixed girl I was unevenly yolked and had to work harder to get to heaven and that since I was Jewish I killed Jesus, despite that they teach Jewish people are the chosen ones.
That Elder is stupid: Jews down through history had nothing to do with Jesus crucifixion because it was only the Jewish leadership and The Romans that killed Jesus. 5,000 Jews became believers in Jesus on the Day of Pentecost.
John said a lot about the Second Anointing, but the reason it bothered me is the theological implications. When I was taught about Jesus coming back, I was told EVERYONE would be judged, with lots of grace of course, and then put into their kingdoms. But with this second anointing, these super special people get a "Golden Ticket" - a "Fast Pass" - a way to skirt around Jesus and shoot right up to the top, no matter what! And that just doesn't sound like the God or Jesus or Second Coming I was raised to believe in. "God is no respecter of persons" yeah right. And that's when I KNEW 100% that this church is bullshit. I stopped believing in ALL of it. And I'd been a member for 35 years, temple married, teens in youth groups, callings held the whole way. The second anointing blew it all apart.
Question for you... How was it that you started down the path of realization? Was it coming across this channel? Did someone else start opening your mind to The MC not being truthful? Did you start questioning on your own? Or something else.... I know so many that are not open to the idea that the church just might be built from falsehoods.
@@mamadspeachyworld5190 my story is interesting. My parents left the church first, 9 years ago, at age 50. It took me 7 more years to be brave enough to investigate more into why they left the religion they raised me in. When I was ready to listen, my dad shared RFM podcasts to listen to and my mom shared MS episodes to listen to. The Gospel Topics Essays on the church's website were crazy to read. Murder Among The Mormons really shook me up. Also a book called Joseph in The Gap, which is supposed to be a faithful perspective of Joseph, but it taught me about the Second Anointing for the first time ever and I had to ask the question - what else is the church hiding? It spiraled from there. I spent 10,000 hours reading and studying church history before deciding to leave at age 35. All it took for my husband to leave was Brad Wilcox's talk from Feb 2022. It officially broke both our shelves at the same time. One day my husband was in, and the next day he was out. I find it fascinating. After we left, we read Letter For My Wife, and No Man Knows My History, The Bite Model, Combating Cult Mind Control, etc.. the rabbit hole continues. It simply never ends. Gosh, what a crazy church. As my dad would say, it was "death by a thousand cuts". Many many things added together over time.
@@sunny8254 thanking you for sharing your story with me. I know how hard it must have been because for many people the Church is their identity. If they leave they are no long Jane Doe the Mormon.... but just Jane Doe or Jane Doe the xmormon...they have to relearn who they are without the Church telling them who they are and where their place is. Many blessings to u and your family as you travel through this journey we call life.
I know I'm a little late to the game, but I found you last week after finding John's podcast last month. John's advice to you about not quitting and not letting the haters hate, can be true to ALL OF US. I have literal tears streaming down my face. I feel as if my big brother is scolding me (in a good way). Don't feed the bears/trolls. I cannot get enough of this episode.
Shelise, thank you so much for what you are doing! You are helping more people than you know. I am an ex-JW. I got hooked on your channel after watching the episode with Jake/Altworldly. It's not just Mormons that find value in what you do. All these high control groups are so similar. Please please please keep doing what you are doing and ignore the haters. They attack you cause they are threatened and scared you are waking people up. My six year old daughter has a mantra, every morning I ask her "what's the word?" And she yells at the top of her lungs "PERSEVERANCE" and I say "What does it mean?" She yells"NEVER EVER GIVE UP" and I say "What are you?" she yells "SMART, STRONG, BEAUTIFUL,CONFIDENT, BRAVE, AND I WONT CHANGE MYSELF." Never ever give up what you are doing Shelise. You ARE making a difference. You are bringing light to these dark abusive organizations that have had too much power for far too long.
“Don’t feed the trolls!” is such good advice for ANY YT creators. There seem to be an unlimited amount of trolls, no matter the topic. It’s crazy! There may be a boatload of bots, also. If you treat everyone like a bot, the ban hammer is easier to swing.
He is fast becoming the best of the best podcasters out there. His education, past trials and tribulations dealing with the LDS Church, skills in interviewing, and passion in bringing out the egregious sins of The Church makes him dedicated to bringing out truth. There is no better person out there to thoroughly bring us the revelations the truth exposes. #topfan
Man, as an Ex Mo, and "Lamanite" this was emotional and cathartic to get validation as a Latino that grew in the LDS church . I didn't realize the level of emotional abuse I was Subjected to as a kid
You poor darling. So grateful the real God led you to truth. Men cause such pain…..may God find all hurt by stupidity, hate and teach truth and heal the awful wounds. God bless you hon.
The hey get criticism because they are being dishonest. Agency is one of the foundational principles of heaven. NO ONE IN TYE CHURCH IF JESUS CHRIST OF LDS is forced in anyway to follow the principles of the gospel. John knows this. It’s way more sensational and exciting to mix truth with slander. You can make a lot more money that way! John has his own little cult following, and making boat loads of $$$ off the backs of the people who he destroys their faith. 🥲
9:46 about the second anointing: it’s a free pass to commit heinous crimes with no guilt or punishment from God, no repentance needed, no reason to apologize, which explains SO MUCH about their lies and refusal to admit any wrong doing. It’s narcissism on steroids
This is great- I love watching mormon stories & it’s soo cool to hear John’s side of things… I’m also hoping this might mean Shelise will get her own mormon story episode 👀
John and Margi are such heroes to me and no doubt, so many others. I don't think that the general audience understands that John is highly intelligent and could earn much more than he does now (at Mormon Stories) for much less pain and sacrifice. John has not only enlightened so many but he also gives us that have already left the church, a place for unpacking and deconstructing. I've been unpacking for over 8 years now and still find John and Margi my "Safe Place." Thanks Shelise for a great interview.
I’m absolutely loving your content! You go girl!! John Dehlin has been there for me every step of my faith transition to where I am today. Thank you both for your work and sacrifice for all of us! You’re amazing people!
It's so nice hearing John speak passionately and candidly about these crazy rituals. When I was in my teens my mom thought she was invincible. She told me God told her she was immortal. She thought she was a prophetess and I had to do exactly what she said I should do. She died a few years after telling me she was immortal (starving herself fasting). I couldn't talk about any of this and I still can't because no one knows how to respond. I'm getting my masters in psychology and I don't fit into that DSM and it's nice to hear him talk in real world experiences.
Just found out about your channel and found it very interessting. I was born in the church and left at around 18... came back at 30 and quit again 1-2 years later. I learn alot of stuff I did not know, this is scary shit. I'm 48 now and happy we did not came back. We kept our children out of this, and glad we did. The cult of silence can be no more with the Internet these days.. thank you !
Hi Jean! Welcome to C2C! I’m happy you found what works best for you and your family. I’m sure you kids would thank you for your choices 😁 I agree, they can’t hide anymore. Which is why they are saying not to “research your questions” just pray about it.
I've been listening to Mormon Stories Podcast for a month or so now and realized that I really don't know the story behind John and Margi, so I searched "John Dehlin interview" and this video popped up first. I'm now a subscriber to Cults to Consciousness! I love how you interview, Shelise. 1. It was very interesting to hear John talk about how Mormon dogma sees Native Americans. I am Native American (Blackfeet/Ojibwe) and my mother's father was a French and Indian Catholic. He beat my mother for sneaking out a window and going to a Protestant church. Native kids were also ripped from their parents and grandparents and put into Catholic boarding schools, for the purpose of beating the Indian out of them. Being a never-Mormon, I wasn't familiar with the term Lamanites but I definitely know many Native kids who tried to get rid of their skin-color. I have a book of poetry called, "Ex-Lovers & More Important Losses" which contains the poem, "The Hole in Penny Talksabout" which is about an Inuit woman's struggles in a Catholic boarding school and how she tried to scrub away the red of her skin. I'm telling you that just to say, I am really appreciating what you and John, and others are doing. And I'm very glad I wasn't raised in the Mormon church. I had enough trauma without that. 2. I did go to law school and John is right - very few ENJOY being a lawyer. By the time I was finished with school, I was over it. 3. Shelise, when John talked about the 2nd Annointing (I think that's what it was?), you mentioned MLMs, and how they are similar, and I instantly thought about the wives of Kody Brown (from the TV show Sister WIves). One or two sell Lululemon and the other two are doing some diet thing that also appears to be an MLM. I think that's a really legitimate observation. It would be interesting to research which MLMs are connected to religious groups. Sorry for the long comment! I look forward to more of your podcasts.
~24:00 thank you for bringing the placement topic back into your Mormon stories. I have a patrilineal blessing that says my skin color will lighten, lol. Made me realize that I was so fortunate to have my real blessing “being a Diné woman.”
Even today... I knew a Russian young woman who was in a two year pre college program who was placed in Utah with a Morman family for nine months. She was Greek Orthodox. She told me stories that shocked me. She walked away knowing they signed up thinking they were saving her from the devil. I also met a Catholic Young man from Poland who was dropped into a deeply religious family in Indiana. This family thought also they were saving him as well.
I left the Mormon church a few years back and its still hard to deal with all the revelations on the real truth of what really happened. I have had more spiritual experiences with much more meaning since leaving. I was raised in a fundamentalist polygamist family, so it has taken me a whole lifetime to get to where I am now. I am a Christian now and have learned to love Jesus and God. When i was in Mormonism, I had a great fear of God and couldnt figure out how to love such a demanding and judgemental God. That has now changed dramatically. The real truth is quite different from what mormonism teaches. God in his infinite wisdom and mercy, has spent most of my life gently extracting me from the Mormon faith. One encounter after another over many years with dreams and visions of my own, have helped me turn a complete 180 without leaving me without any faith at all. Thank you for doing these podcasts, You and John have been very heldpful in my progress of leaving Mormonism behind. God bless you both for this.
John is simply amazing. And the whole team!! Listening to Mormon Stories is part of my daily routine and I find so much comfort with an unexpected faith crisis after discovering husbands double life. Cannot put a price on the mental, emotional, JOY the podcast brings into my life ❤❤❤❤❤
@cindybin2001 then why do you keep watching? I grew up in the church and NEVER questioned it or thought critically about anything. Now after almost a decade of marriage built upon decisions I would’ve not made had I had informed consent and having my own life tragedy I’m so appreciative of his honesty and ALL the team and those that have shared there stories. There is a lot that could change for the church to be healthier and not aid in faithful members contemplating suicide because their life isn’t up to par with how hard they’ve tried to reach an ideal that’s based off of false truths. I met John briefly at the gym for only a minute as not wanting to take away from his personal time and he was so genuine and caring. I’m sure there is something to fit your own wants in life but if you’re fuming then you should ignore him and life your life. He does amazing work and I hope he always continues it. He’s made me realize how wonderful a life I can have and learning what I have is the miracle. Would never take it back and so glad I’ve learned so much from him and everyone.
John Dehlin introduces you to ALL of the facts, then backs up and let's each person decide which doctrines agree with their beliefs. That is the way my family minister of my childhood and formative years taught. He introduced us to each major religion , taught us about their history, beliefs, and how they worshipped their God. Then we visited many of them in worship. None of us left our church, and importantly our faith grew stronger. I am still in contact with many of those youth of yesteryear. They are all still firm in their individual beliefs because they had the facts, they choose, and learned how to listen, what felt true, and how to question. His greatest gift to all of us was to let us Question and gave us Answers or told us how to find out.
I truly enjoy your channel. You are great at this. I also love John. So grateful for everyone who helps us cope with leaving the church. I left long ago, so knowing there are others is comforting. Thank you.😊
Who knew you really read these!! You are brilliant girl! I love the way you are able to lead your listerners deeper into whoever you are interviewing. I have come away from each of the programs I have watched impressed by your work, but mostly remembering who you interviewed, what they brought to the table, their ideas and imput to the world they were speaking about. When it was over however? I was looking for your space again, so I could see another one. This is one of my favorites, as John Dehlin, is also, one of my favorites. Thank you both!
In recent years , I've come to enjoy your podcasts more & more. Your not viewed as having a job , rather a calling , up for what you do. Keep up the good 👍 work. Of all people trapped in a psychological , self deceived destructive trap , many need to hear your voice. You desert financial support. Thank you John.
John deserves to get paid for his work. At least he’s not dangling anyone’s salvation over their heads or keeping them from attending their kids’ weddings.
Shows like this and Mormon Stories help ALL OF US, Mormon or otherwise. Seeking the TRUTH can only be positive whether it feels positive or not. Thank you
This interview helped with my resolve. My family personally asked since i left the church to not post anything of my new beliefs publically but i couldnt promise that. I feel its now my duty like both of yours to make these things known. This is a battle for souls after all. As a result of being "vocal" on my page my family and friend relationships have suffered, but it's also seperating the wheat from the tares in my life and showing me who really cares enough to listen so yeah. Thank you for being examples and encouraging me to do my own highlighting of my research on my facebook page. Maybe one day I'll make a RU-vid video sharing my experiences when I'm ready. 🤙🤙🤙🙏❤️✝️
Just to throw this out there... and I'm sure this isn't what he meant, but it needs to be clearly stated. Not everyone is simply not donating because they're stingy. Some don't have the money to do so. Others are in very specific situations that do not let them do so. For example, I've been an expat for so long that I don't have American bank accounts anymore. Keeping them open meant the banks constantly drawing fees for me not using them, which risked overdrafts. A few years ago, I moved to Iran. Sanctions mean I can't just send money. Most are probably not in this exact situation. However, there are quite an array of diverse situations. I do like and subscribe. If RU-vid and my VPN lets me, then I comment. We all do what we can.
Shelise, I would say your channel's growth over such a short span of time was unbelievable, but given the high quality of your interviews, it's entirely believable! Please never stop as long as it's safe and you are happy 🥰 One tiny quibble with John's advice: don't practice the guitar until your fingers actually bleed, because then you have to pause and wait for them to heal, which is a pain. Stop when your fingertips hurt but are still intact! Also, no judgment if you have to step back, either for a time or forever. The value you have put into the world is immeasurable.
It is cruel to tell someone that as they become more holy their skin will become white. You are not only telling dark skinned people something is wrong with them but you are teaching them to hate themselves. How could anyone who is good do things like this?
I really appreciate how kind and gentle you both are. It is really helping me as I'm coming to terms with everything I experienced and internalized growing up.
People come to you for validation and support. Haters don’t do the research and feel threatened when their beliefs are threatened. The😊 opposite of love is fear. Love to you both.
Even as a Caucasian adult, when I was disfellowshiped, I would watch for my skin to start turning dark. THAT is how brainwashed I was. Of course, that was before I started my own research into church history, which lead to me starting my healing journey and ultimately leaving the Mormon cult.
Thank you! I’m a whole different person now. I actually know what it feels like to be ME. It was quite a ride, and sometimes still is! I’m grateful for all of the awakenings, journeys, and the growth! Wouldn’t have it any other way.
@cindybin2001 if your personal experience is that you feel closer to your God and Jesus Christ, that is for YOU. I will never try to sway anyone to see things my way or tell them that I know what will bring them spiritual happiness, or become closer to God. My experience is clearly very different from yours. I feel closer to my God without religion telling me how to be close to God. I get to define my own spirituality and decide my own path, and I am a much happier, healthier, kinder person than I ever was as a member of the Mormon church.
That Native American Placement thing sounds alot like what Canada did when they placed Indigenous kids into residential homes run by the catholic church.
Horror stories. 80 years ago, while a boarder in a Catholic convent, the rumors were always; this place is bad, but at least it isn't Duck Lake. Took decades to find out that that school was where First Nation kids were more or less imprisoned.👿
I love this guy. Me watching his videos is what threw your channel into my algorithm. I’m glad you’re both brave enough to show up in this space. What you’re doing is so important. Y’all doing the lawd’s work out here. 💯😂💚
Shelise, you deserve a revenue for the efforts and service you provide. John is right, become self sufficient with your channel. You did the first steps on your own time and money, but now you are on your way to be successful and help more people. John is right about the negative comments, dont bother with them. You will never please everybody..that is normal. When you will get to your 60's you will understand that after a certain age, we dont bother about what others think, as long as we are ok with ourselves, we are happy!
I've only been in 4 years and thanks to channels like all you have, I've become much more enlightened and aware of things I was never told. Thanks for shining the light in the darkness that is LDS.
John, I got to know your brother Joel while on his mission in Sacramento California. I would love to talk to you someday or to be interviewed by you sometime to share my story with you regarding the church.
God bless you. You have such courage and lovingkindness and wisdom. Thank you for being a stand for truth. We love you and Marghi! You have helped us so much. Many heyiokas in one’s life means huge obstacles to be overcome have resulted in gifts of wisdom and love. Freedom and serenity. ✌🏽💖
I’m a nevermo, but I’ve listened to John in the past, and I like him and he has some great advice. You too, Shalise! Just discovered and subscribed to your channel last week. You are an excellent podcaster.
I have always considered myself a spiritual person, although it never has been through serving God. John, your saying that spirituality for yourself is being connected to a higher purpose really put into words how I feel. My higher purpose has been to serve my family, but also to be open to others from all walks of life and to nature though a universal consciousness connecting everything. John and Shelise, you are both serving a higher purpose and have taught me a lot.
Love both of you. ❤❤ Found you because of @Jordanandmckay originally who were fan girl/boying about Mormon stories. Then I checked out John and I was hooked by the humanity and compassion. Shelise ended up in my feed due to my interest in all of these things.
So by Mormon standards, I as a multiple racial girl who is Jewish (Israeli and Egyptian), White (Irish), and Native American (Shoshone) that I would be only biracial? So my fully Native American grams would be just as Jewish as my birth-father? That's odd
I’m a nevermo but my town was full of Mormons so I’ve been gradually increasingly educated on the religion since I was a kid. I learned about the second anointing though while watching Jordan and McKay when Jordan said that’s what broke her shelf and made her fully question the church. I love seeing all these different ex-mormon creators getting together and talking about their experiences and sharing their stories.
I like how she says “high demand religions” because the Mormon content is the best/closest match that I can relate to as an ex-fundamentalist Christian.
John you rock! Thanks for taking the heat and thanks for doing the heavy lifting! Thanks to you, Shelise and all the others bringing everything into the light. You are literally saving people.
Absolutely a wonderful episode! I’m so grateful you and others are willing to put yourselves out there for people. Your channel is honestly the best, because I truly feel there are zero judgements whatsoever. I hope you take a moment to really understand and relish in what I mean. You have authentically created an all inclusive, safe place. Listen to John. Never quit and ignore all negativity, because a perfect stranger (me 😊) is so proud of you!!
Dr. Dehlin has a great podcast and yours is right up there with him! It’s great to get a male and female perspective on cults. I was not raised in a cult or a member of a cult but my late husband, who was Native American (Navajo) ended up being raised in a Morman family and, unfortunately, he was never able to heal from his inner demons. Keep up your amazing work and I hope to donate when I am able.
Thanks for the knowledge of what would be the best approach if crossing paths with you or your family in public. It makes sense from your family perspective. TXS.
That was a really good interview. With John. In life I just want to let people live their own lives. And accept them for who they are. When ever John's on I keep thinking it's a Morman Story's Podcast. But he as helped a lot of people. I could say so much. But can I say your doing a good job. I'm not too sure what to call myself these days but if you try your best in life you can't go to far wrong. Keep up the good work
@@CultstoConsciousness have you thought of doing Reaction videos that religious people have made that could be toxic. I don't mean just LDS but Street Preachers as well. Their is one man over here in the UK who as a channel called off the kirb ministries. And he says some really hurtful things in the Name of Christianity.
I hope i have never come across as against this channel ( even though i am a bit allergic to the term ”cult” in general ). I am most definitely for it. I am for people expressing their mind and pointing out what they find problematic. An organisation that can’t deal with being questioned is probably built on shaky ground. Love and support! ❤️👍
Hi to all and thank you for your podcasts. I’m not a Mormon, but had a close family member who was. I find it fascinating listening to your commentary about the faith. Eye opening, sobering are just a few ways to describe how I see your work. Thank you. I hope to meet you someday. It would be an honor. Keep up the hard work! All the best! S Lange
John, those criticisms you’ve referred to break my heart! You’re such an amazing person, and for what it’s worth I’ve literally never thought anything of your teeth. I hope you know there is so much more love and sincere, genuine appreciation for you and Margie and the work you do out there than any of the hate. Same for you, Shelise ❤
Bravo John!! Thank you so much. At 39:00 ish!! You are a gift to everyone. Me? I have no religion. No skin in the game and would never dream of criticizing you or anyone doing and advocating for kids, teens and all the rest of us ex religious or not.
Spot on assessment of you, Shalise. I suspected the truth about how amazing you are and John put it to words. I call you my girl. I said that you are plugged into I don’t know what, but you are definitely plugged in.
I heard John during his interview with Leah Remini and Mike Rinder from a few years back push the boundaries saying “ass” so it’s great to hear he’s advanced to saying “shit” haha (@13m30s)
The three affiliated tribes in North Dakota. George Catlin was an American adventurer traveled to the American West five times during the 1830s. He painted portraits that depicted the life of Native Americans. He describes the people of the Mandan tribe eerily looking white, however the women's hair prematurely turned grey. They were the mound builders, peaceful agrarians. The Arikara were war like. The Mandans were almost wiped out except for 34, smallpox they moved into the Mandan villages. So there are those who claim that they are Mandan today. The three affiliated tribes are Mandan Hidatsa & Arikara. The Vikings landed in Canada long before Christopher Columbus. It is feasible that the Mandans could have been children, generations removed, from them, the Vikings. President Ford acknowledged that the Vikings had landed here long before Columbus. 1021 AD. Norse settlements, such as L'Anse aux Meadows have been studied, archeological settlements found. Probably not unlike the settlements in Iceland. I am not going to suggest that it was the white community, the Native Americans have and had their own cultures. Mounds can be found in other locations too. By the way I am not Morman, never was and no desire to be. I'm just a retired student of Native American history.
Great podcast. I approach this from interests in American history, sociology, and religious history. FYI, though: THE first podcast was/is Open Source with Christopher Lydon, still going strong, since 2003. I encourage people to check it out
These podcasts make me have so many questions. I have some family members that are LDS and I just want to ask them if they actually believe this stuff is true. I know those conversations would not go well so I don’t engage
I bet they don’t even realize half the stuff they are supposed to believe. However, yes, a lot of people do believe things most would laugh it. But it’s easy to when you’re raised with that reality as I was.
Famously Rosemary Kennedy was given a lobodomy by a prestigous doctor with a golden ice pick. She lived out her life being taken care of by nuns I think that I read about a relative who said he received the second annointing. This person is infamous and it makes me wonder about this get into Heaven free club
💔 😥😢😭😭 for those told they were Laminates and all of the b.s. lies that caused so much trauma, destruction of families and individuals, and abuse. Pure evil
John mentions he likes the Buddhist teachings since they are so similar to Christ's teachings. I learned how similar the Buddha's teachings were to Christ's teachings when I read Loving-kindness The Revolutionary Art Of Happiness by Sharon Salzberg. I loved this book and thought it taught charity better than the Bible did.
I hope your work will continue and that more people will come to themselves as a result of these mind-opening reflections. I am not a Mormon but I am deeply concerned with these beautiful people who are under the thumb of powers that we all need to reject. And there is a role for the law. Boy, is there ever a role for the law. And there is even more of a role for education.
😱 I was taught to NEVER lie especially to my parents!!! Thank GOD I left when I did! 🙄 Probably before you were born Dr.Dehlin😉🤣🤣 or @least before you were out of elementary school 🙄
Since kindergarten many of my friends and acquaintances were lamanites😂. As an inactive member I couldn't stand a lot of the pharisee Mormon men. It's been refreshing to learn the true history of this racist church 😁
