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Even Modern Horizons III is getting Commander decks. Everything is Commander Now, if you let it be.
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@eddiekalista3222
@eddiekalista3222 3 месяца назад
My theory about commander decks is this: they all sell pretty well because they’re all fun and pretty strong, and it’s entirely because of the casual focus of the format. Modern/standard/regular precons aren’t competitive. Look up any of those precons, and you’ll find articles about how many cards need to be swapped before it stands a chance at your local shop. So no one buys them, because why buy a $40 deck that requires another $150 in changes before it’s worth shuffling. But with commander decks, the format is ‘let’s make decks with quirky gimmicks and interactions’, so the decks are built to be creative and fun. But they’re strong enough that you can go to the shop, buy any commander deck, and you’re gonna be on a generally level playing field against everyone else’s home builds. Commander decks are the solution to why precons suck. You aren’t buying the deck to win a tournament. You’re buying it to have fun.
@EdwinRosario432
@EdwinRosario432 3 месяца назад
You make so much sense people are going to flame you.
@f.g.5967
@f.g.5967 3 месяца назад
I want to play other formats, like pioneer. I want to put several copies of cards I like. But it seems everything is either competitive or commander. Can’t we make pioneer casual?
@nndo6953
@nndo6953 3 месяца назад
Love this‼️🙌🏾
@brendonford3838
@brendonford3838 3 месяца назад
When I bought the Lathril precon off the shelves it was so fun because I knew it’d be playable out of the box. Imagine a format where you USE the precons and don’t just wait by the counter for the clerk to restock the “one with jitte in it”
@aR0ttenBANANA
@aR0ttenBANANA 3 месяца назад
Also because there are A LOT of people who play precons and precon level decks because they seem to like it. I'm not one of them but I've seen a decent share.
@lobbynotlob
@lobbynotlob 3 месяца назад
Just very weird to have Modern Horizons being a made-for-modern set that is also introducing cards not made for modern and are in fact not legal in modern.
@cherry9787
@cherry9787 3 месяца назад
HUH
@fpoggesi
@fpoggesi 3 месяца назад
Because made-for-modern is secondary to made-to-be-sold.
@Garl_Vinland
@Garl_Vinland 3 месяца назад
Modern cards are legal in commander bro
@casteanpreswyn7528
@casteanpreswyn7528 3 месяца назад
​@@Garl_Vinland way to miss the point by 37 miles. Lol
@cherry9787
@cherry9787 3 месяца назад
@@Garl_Vinland He means vice versa
@MrIfrit
@MrIfrit 3 месяца назад
"We want to revitalize standard. Anyway, here's Commander"
@DarkDiamondInc
@DarkDiamondInc 3 месяца назад
well, they deffinetly wouldnt revitalize standard by releaseing unplayable standard precons again.
@Pandercolour
@Pandercolour 3 месяца назад
I think the plan to revitalize standard died with the huge layoffs.
@WinterGray8888
@WinterGray8888 3 месяца назад
Tbf they are allowed to do both
@sashmiel6566
@sashmiel6566 3 месяца назад
@@Pandercolour I think it died when people became lazy and play downloaded decks
@SuperDuperHappyTime
@SuperDuperHappyTime 3 месяца назад
⁠@@sashmiel6566 WotC actually used to do playtesting. They knew Cawblade was going to be a major player in the ZEN-SOM format, but they didn’t know it was so good it would take 8 of 8 Places of a major event until it did. They had no idea how good Meathook Massacre and Sheoldred were going to be. They literally thought being Legendary was going to stop players from bringing 4-Of
@ilyafoskin
@ilyafoskin 3 месяца назад
19:00 I literally experienced this tonight. For clarity, I live in Dublin, the Irish capital city and my LGS is the biggest one in this city so probably also the biggest in the country. I was excited for sanctioned Standard tournaments returning and when I asked my LGS owner, he told me they are running on Tuesdays. So I showed up tonight all eager and pumped for Standard but I was the only person who signed up. There were a lot of people there for Modern and it felt oddly shameful that I was there for Standard but sitting among them, almost like it was wrong to want to play Standard. The LGS owner also told me that they may not even opt to run a Legacy European Tour event this year even though the store is in the WPN because they've been offering Standard events since the release of MKM and I was the first and only person to show interest.
@flowbot159
@flowbot159 3 месяца назад
I really hope my Store Championship fires tomorrow night. I am going to a new place to play and have no idea what to expect.
@DH-gv6cj
@DH-gv6cj 3 месяца назад
I live on an island too. the same 4-6 of us will ATTEMPT standard (< budget monored). there's under 10 sheoldreds in existence, total. Its a matter of quality vs. quantity and the amount of various product it takes to be competitive.
@flowbot159
@flowbot159 3 месяца назад
It fired! We had 11 players and played 4 rounds. I had the best time.
@matthewrose8002
@matthewrose8002 Месяц назад
Standard is a pretty dead format right now. Why buy a deck that is $500 because the format is competitive and that is what you need to spend to be competitive. When I can just play commander to where when I join a group to play everyone has multiple decks and they ask you in most instances at my LGS how strong your deck is so they can match your deck. It is SO much more fun to play a game against someone when you know you have a chance to win where in standard I need 4x of a number of $50 dollar cards to be competitive in most instances. If I don't want to spend a lot I can play what is usually red burn strategies. Also, after playing commander I found that I dislike the aggro strategies because all they are about is winning before I got to play the game. There is too much of that in non commander formats to push me back into those formats. I get SO much more enjoyment out of a game if I'm able to do the thing the deck wants to do and that happens more often in commander.
@ilyafoskin
@ilyafoskin Месяц назад
@@matthewrose8002 I agree. The best deck at any one time in a rotating format like Standard should not be more than €100, maybe €150. I want Standard because I believe it’s the best format for competitive play but they need to get price under control
@reedzimmerman2234
@reedzimmerman2234 3 месяца назад
As a worker at an LGS, the ending about being the change you want to see hurts even more. I've tried hard to get management to approve any sort of events that are anything but commander and fnm draft(still the best format), and it's a fool's errand. No matter what we try and fire, no one will show up. Any attempt at getting a constructed format event to be approved is met with 'I wish we could, but it's not worth taking out one of our MULTIPLE commander nights for it.' I wish I could be the change I want to see, but in this climate it just seems too unrealistic.
@TerryTags
@TerryTags 3 месяца назад
Thank you for fighting the good fight, though. Not that you need my advice, so take this with a grain of salt, but cross-promotions with other businesses which are adjacent to the current Universes Beyond hype (like local Dr Who or LOTR fan groups when those came out, or local movie theaters when Jurassic Park came out, or a local Cowboy Clothing store like Cavender's when Thunderbox Junction comes out, or the local zoo when Bloomburrow comes out, etc. Running a simple "Bring your Cavender's receipt and get $1 off a Thunder Junction booster pack." kind of promo, that sort of thing)
@kylegonewild
@kylegonewild 3 месяца назад
That's also an indication of the market shift in the game over the years. Unfortunately I've found the best way to get commander only players to play other formats is to provide the decks too. A lot of regulars are used to sharing decks at the LGS for commander night or for letting a new player hop in. I had to put together several pauper decks and offer to let others play them to get people interested.
@socalxninja259
@socalxninja259 3 месяца назад
well when the company itself killed competitive magic by only worrying about commander and powercreeping standard into oblivion then getting rid of the pro tour, removing that goal for people to work towards, then bringing it back after they made every other format warped and unfun its no real surprise.
@DMBlade4
@DMBlade4 3 месяца назад
60 card constructed formats are garbage and samey. Welcome to the modern world
@socalxninja259
@socalxninja259 3 месяца назад
@@DMBlade4 samey? like playing against atraxa superfriends or lord windgrace arent? yet another terrible take.
@Beale_
@Beale_ 3 месяца назад
When they say "Don't know what a planeswalker is", I think they mean what a planeswalker is in the sense of their lore. What can a planeswalker do? What are the different planes? How does it work? How do they become planeswalkers? At least, thats what makes sense to me. My dad is very much somebody like this.
@StrongButAwkward
@StrongButAwkward 3 месяца назад
Idk I find it's more likely competitive only players who know lots about the game but don't care about the lore are more likely to not know what a Walker is in story. They can be invested in the game completely independent of any interest in the story. Most casual players are drawn into the game by more than just its quality as a game and the world is often part of that. Which is why using knowledge of lore as a delineating line between casual players and hardcore players seems like a bad example
@kevinmorbidthelostcronin1984
@kevinmorbidthelostcronin1984 3 месяца назад
@@n9999 I did the same and took a long break because of being poor and having kids. I finally got back in and was playing with a teenager from church when I had to remind him to take Mana Burn and he just looked at me funny. Then he played a Planeswalker card and I was confused as to what game that went with. I learned a lot that day while showing that Old School could still Rule.
@Aigis31
@Aigis31 3 месяца назад
11:00 I remember reading verbatim at the start of a rules book (or at the back of a deck box) "You are a Planeswalker" on official Magic products, most likely those included in M11/M12/M13's Intro Decks or Odyssey's Expert Decks or Ravnica: City of Guilds' Golgari deck. I'm 90% sure that's an exact phrase used to start off the pitch for the game.
@kevinmorbidthelostcronin1984
@kevinmorbidthelostcronin1984 3 месяца назад
I can attest that the rulebook from early edition (Revised or 4th or something) says you are a Wizard battling on the Sphere of Dominaria. By Urza's Saga, it said that Urza was a Planeswalker but makes no mention that you are. The PS1 game Battlemage does call you a Planeswalker, if I remember correctly. I am unable to provide further clarification on the exact transition, as I lost a lot while I was in a coma. But I can verify these from the rulebooks I still retain.
@barnabascollins3787
@barnabascollins3787 3 месяца назад
As someone who started magic 2 years ago with Neon Dynasty, I am already getting burned out on all the commander products they keep releasing every month. Yet here you are, turning a topic like this into a surprisingly earnest and optimistic message. I have to give major props to you Vince!
@krim7
@krim7 3 месяца назад
Back in my day, we only got 4 commander decks a year and a handful of new legends each set. 👴
@Guukoh
@Guukoh 3 месяца назад
You just made me realize Neon Dynasty was two years ago and damn.
@isaiahgibbs9336
@isaiahgibbs9336 3 месяца назад
they could have done modern decks but we need more commander in the modern sets.
@chaselewis6534
@chaselewis6534 3 месяца назад
They specifically said they didn't want to do that since it would devalue the cards they would have to put in it to market it as a modern power level deck. Essentially they want modern to be obscenely expensive so they can try to justify these incredibly high price points.
@definitelynotmany4972
@definitelynotmany4972 3 месяца назад
Maro Said that if they did, Modern Challenger Decks would need to be priced more than players are willing to pay. I think maybe 100-200 Challenger decks.
@sebastian55112
@sebastian55112 3 месяца назад
​@@definitelynotmany4972 wel fortunately they priced the booster boxes 500$😂
@HanDaimond
@HanDaimond 3 месяца назад
_"Nothing says Modern format more like Commander"_ - WOTC
@brendonford3838
@brendonford3838 3 месяца назад
But you wouldn’t be able to play any of those modern decks until someone verified it was good in a tournament. Every modern player holding sealed decks waiting for the recent top 8 lists?? 😂
@cals87
@cals87 3 месяца назад
I love EDH. It's the only way I engage with paper Magic anymore aside from pre-releases since ~2017. However, I preferred it when Commander was not the sole focus of Hasbro, and standard sets were printed with standard in mind. It was much for fun when during previews looking for cards to slot into your current commander decks. I also looked forward to the annual Commander decks and would buy the set each year. Now I've basically tuned out all Magic releases. I still go to most pre-releases but now I still play Commander but just pick up a couple singles each release. Hasbro has over-staturated the market and people just don't have the energy to get hyped for a new set when another one will be coming out 6-8 weeks later. I realize I'm in the minority with these opinions, but I think my side is gaining people.
@skuamato7886
@skuamato7886 3 месяца назад
Yeah, I'm coming from a group of like 20 dedicated commander players, and literally all of them complain about WOTC releasing too much
@rinmathews9337
@rinmathews9337 3 месяца назад
"I can't believe players will have missed a permanent type that's in the game and has rules." Meanwhile Battles be like.... o_O
@U1TR4F0RCE
@U1TR4F0RCE 3 месяца назад
It did remind me that I had a magic deck for seven years without knowing what a planeswalker was. I got duel deck eldrazi vs zendikar and was annoyed with how difficult it was to summon an eldrazi from a former Yugioh player perspective and so lost interest only vaguely hearing about the colour pie.
@Playingwithproxies
@Playingwithproxies 3 месяца назад
@@U1TR4F0RCElost interest cause the game was a challenge and wasn’t over in 2 turns max 😂😂😂
@U1TR4F0RCE
@U1TR4F0RCE 3 месяца назад
@@Playingwithproxies well given my time playing Yugioh was in 2010 and time playing Magic was 2015 no it wasn't two turns, I probably wasn't doing a good job picking my hand since I am not super familiar with how to handle lands as a resource system, but it is pretty frustrating to lose on turn 8 having summoned maybe 3 creatures and having not been able to summon any of the eldrazi in your hand.
@JackTR21
@JackTR21 3 месяца назад
Remember when we would get supplemental sets like conspiracy? Those were good days
@Seority
@Seority 3 месяца назад
Conspiracy 😭😭😭
@Mamadeira_
@Mamadeira_ 3 месяца назад
Battlebond was so fun
@101Shifty
@101Shifty 3 месяца назад
The funniest thing is...even most commander players i know wish the game was less about commander. Most of people around me got into it because it was a fun way to get out of standard/modern and use our pet cards. Now it slowly became a rotating format too.
@mcpudd1540
@mcpudd1540 3 месяца назад
Commander is now what we play after a few rounds of pauper. Like cool, we’ve all played each other, we’ve all used 2 or 3 decks, now let’s all gather ‘round and play one multiplayer game to cap off the night. We used to run 2 or 3 commander games with some quick pauper rounds while other people got food between games. It’s just an exhausting format to play sometimes
@Volkbrecht
@Volkbrecht 3 месяца назад
True. I have stopped playing Commander because of that. It used to be the one format where people could be truly casual and just build whatever. But between the power creep and the general popularization of the format that is now over.
@StrongButAwkward
@StrongButAwkward 3 месяца назад
I wish that were more true everywhere, I'd like to play a 60 card casual game again for the first time in years. I'd like to play Modern or proxied Legacy games. I don't want EDH to go away, I just want it to go back to being one of the ways to play in an ecosystem of ways to play. It was more fun when people used it for what was unique about it and used 60 card for what made more sense for 60 card casual or just didn't work in EDH and not now when it has to be all things to all people and be the home for all deck ideas.
@Tryptic214
@Tryptic214 3 месяца назад
I'm a full-blown 60-card Casual apologist, and I hate Commander. This is why. I learned this through TTRPGs: some systems are balanced so that each player can create the strongest character (or deck) and bring it to a game, and be relatively fair. Some are not. But I actually prefer the less balanced ones because they develop a better culture of group responsibility. When everyone KNOWS that it's possible to create broken characters (Mutants and Masterminds), the DM reviews each character sheet and the players accept it. But when the system is supposed to be balanced (DnD 5e), players expect their characters to be accepted as-is and become more belligerent about DM interference. Because in reality, neither system is perfectly balanced...it's just that one system presents the illusion of being balanced. This same thing happens with Commander. In 60-card casual with my friends, we all KNOW that any one of us could build a deck that stomps the others, and we actively police ourselves to make sure that doesn't happen. But Commander presents the illusion that "the singleton format will balance your deck for you, so you can try to make it as strong as you want." It actually makes players worse at designing decks for fun. Perhaps the best example is how every precon now has Sol Ring in it. Sol Ring is in my opinion the worst card played in Magic: it was created during Alpha testing of the card game and was absolutely a mistake, which has been rotated out long ago. But Commander is actively teaching brand new players in 2024 to put STUPID, BROKEN cards from 30 years ago in their decks. The format actively, deliberately encourages unhealthy, mistake-exploiting deckbuilding.@@StrongButAwkward
@draftmagicagain1000
@draftmagicagain1000 2 месяца назад
@@Tryptic21460 card casualer here too. I love 1vs1 faster games. Even Triple threat. Games go a lot faster. Early turns matter. I never understood why people like Commanders hiding behind their high life total. Ramp ramp ramp now lets play spells. Luckily my playgroup Still plays 60 card! 🎉
@nickd6303
@nickd6303 3 месяца назад
It's weird how quickly wizards gave up on brawl which would have been the gateway to transforming all formats into a commander adjacent.
@Zauzzie
@Zauzzie 3 месяца назад
Brawl is all you have on MTGA, its afun format but all we can get there will never be multi player on arena
@51gunner
@51gunner 3 месяца назад
@@Zauzzie It's so weird to me that the version of Magic on the internet that "looks like MS-Dos made love to a gravel pit", that meticulously lists everything on the stack and every game action... that is the one that allows Commander to be played. The nicely animated flashy-looking MTG Arena doesn't support multiplayer. Nope, don't put the more casual-friendly format into the program with great tutorials for onboarding new players.
@Zauzzie
@Zauzzie 3 месяца назад
@@51gunner it's the type of program used to create arena so it could be run in phones and smoothly.
@krim7
@krim7 3 месяца назад
The masses gave up on Brawl. I am convinced if Brawl had the Pioneer card pool, it would have been viable.
@Zauzzie
@Zauzzie 3 месяца назад
@@krim7 historic brawl is great, all the cards on mtga
@kholdseid6614
@kholdseid6614 3 месяца назад
A local game store I stopped at a few weeks ago said they stopped doing singles in-person (only online orders) because Commander players would have them constantly look for singles of cards that didn't make them any money, like cheap commons such as Cultivate, and they said the system was too expensive to maintain. For reference, Magic wasn't the majority of their displayed inventory, most of it was general board game stuff, TTRPGs, and Warhammer as well as playmats and such.
@ctg4818
@ctg4818 3 месяца назад
EDH power creep has turned it into standard where every few weeks you need to "upgrade" cards in decks lol
@Yuki2204
@Yuki2204 3 месяца назад
Not really, Yeah some pretty gas new cards have come out but my ancient deck is still quite competitive from 2014 Era, I only had to remove 1 card due to it being banned and i've swapped out 3 cards in the last year, Most of what I do with it is just find the foil versions
@Volkbrecht
@Volkbrecht 3 месяца назад
@@Yuki2204 I don't know how power creep plays out for cEDH, but for casual decks it hits hard. Aside from what I build new, I have only 3 relatively constant decks that I actually keep optimized, and there hasn't been a single Standard set over the last few years where I didn't have to replace at least one or two cards in them with strictly better versions. Sometimes they add a cheaper version, or slat on a useful effect to the same base version, or there is some new design that does the same thing better (like, instead of Clone-type creatures, there are now instants and sorceries that make token copies for less mana). My formerly favorite deck has gone from scary to sub-optimal mostly because the general standard of deck-building has improved so much that obvious threats are never not answered any more. For my control-heavy deck, I have to keep re-thinking the entire build because my colors (blue and green) have been getting a lot of tools outside of their traditional color identity. But hey, at least that works against the nagging feeling that playing less than 3 colors narrows the available toolbox down too far to build decent decks.
@data_abort
@data_abort 3 месяца назад
What happens when WotC pays attention to your format.
@alessandrobrendolan9620
@alessandrobrendolan9620 3 месяца назад
​@@Volkbrechthow about you just... Don't do that? Imagine for example i have a couple selesnya decks and loran of the third path gets printed, am i supposed to swap my rec sages with it? Does that apply to every card in my deck, new version out, i add it? What i'd be doing is basically buying into endless optimization in a format that since its conception wasn't made to be optimized. Enjoy sub-optimal decks, bring decks with more character than "i'm playing the best version of every single effect", spread the gospel to your playgroup: you are gonna love the format again. Have fun with your rec sage, he's a good friend
@franslair2199
@franslair2199 3 месяца назад
The opposite, a lot of commander staples are old cards that don't really get reprinted.
@Lewbee
@Lewbee 3 месяца назад
I mainly play commander & pauper, but as much as I want to play Modern or Standard (which I really do), I'm priced out. I don't have 500 quid to drop on a Boros Burn deck only to get rinsed by everyone else there. Whereas I can have 5 playable commander decks for the same price from precons, and people are more chill about proxies in commander. It honestly feels like if you haven't been playing magic since like Tarkir to have the fetches, shocks and other staples ready to go, you're just SoL. The fact Rosewater even said recently they can't do a modern precon b/c "people wouldn't be able to make the price point" shows their complete unwillingness to make the hobby accessible for anyone new over money.
@ospero7681
@ospero7681 3 месяца назад
Not even unwillingness necessarily. If they did release tournament-viable Modern precons (challenger decks, whatever you want to call them), there are only two ways that could go: 1) they're overpriced to the point of parody, or 2) they get immediately bought out by scalpers stripping them for the expensive cards and then rocket up in price (after that, see 1).
@Lewbee
@Lewbee 3 месяца назад
@@ospero7681 I hadn't considered that second point enough that is very true about the scalpers. Naively the solution to that would be to flood the market with staples from boosters, but then they couldn't sell the staples for high prices elsewhere. Maybe I'm too jaded haha
@patchesrk
@patchesrk 3 месяца назад
@@ospero7681 I think the scalpers would only be a problem the first couple of times around, since having easier access to high-price cards would inadvertently lower their prices, reducing the incentive to scalp. But then again, that would require WotC to actually stick to a product idea and ignore possible monetary gain.
@hllyenaylleth9576
@hllyenaylleth9576 3 месяца назад
I mostly play on Tabletop and rarely look at real cards anymore. Tabletop has an import system and you can use any card or proxy in the game to assemble a deck and play on Tabletop
@fanch_brouste
@fanch_brouste 3 месяца назад
"Be the format you want to be" That's why I started playing paper standard for the first time ever last week, where I've been a commander player for around 10 years.
@RockR277
@RockR277 3 месяца назад
I only play commander, but I really hate the commander focus. I feel like it's exacerbated and has also been negatively effected by power creep. If a legendary creature doesn't do 5 different things and have an entire game plan designed right into the card, why even use it? And when every usable commander is designed to be the center piece of a deck, it starts feeling like "ok, let's see who built the better, faster infinite value engine" or "who built their cookie cutter strategy best". Maybe people are just too competitive where I live, but any time I've commander outside my close friends, it's been the sweatiest type of players. On a side note, I really dislike how some people refer to all legendary creatures as 'commanders' and can only think of them in the context of being a deck's commander, even if they're from a non-commander set. It is very irksome. Plus, that attitude will just make things worse.
@StellarisVT
@StellarisVT 3 месяца назад
As someone who was a commander (and draft) only player before the pandemic, and is now in a post pandemic world a pioneer player primarily, I really really hate this push towards making 90% of things commander focused, it feels awful. And my lgs is at least on the lucky end, we still fire like 30 player pioneer events regularly, but we can't get people for literally anything else. Modern is like, 8 people max, and there's essentially no chance of us getting anything else.
@socalxninja259
@socalxninja259 3 месяца назад
i agree, its warping the non casual formats by adding powercrept commander-centric cards added into standard sets to entice commander players to buy packs have done nothing but lead standard into a stagnant and dying format. pair that with the focus straying away from competetive formats and you have this era of powercrept, unfun, and bland era. go back to 3 set blocks and print commander sets. competitve formats will stabilize, and they will still harvest the commander kids money.
@krim7
@krim7 3 месяца назад
LUCKY! All 60 card formats and non-pre-release events are basically dead in my area, unless they are Commander.
@jaceee4154
@jaceee4154 3 месяца назад
Its because of the price point jfc modern decks make me want to cry. Idk if you were playing back in circa 2011-2012 but holy shit ~1000$ for a modern deck?? fuck that back then that was a legacy deck with duals/force of wills pioneer is pretty much what modern was years ago price wise but even so there are 5-600$ decks creeping up thats so fucked up
@StellarisVT
@StellarisVT 3 месяца назад
The price is awful, I completely agree. And it should NOT get that high for what is essentially the entry level format to competitive 60 card magic (standard will never be that, rotating format's are just too unfriendly for new players), but wizards *can* fix that, and they should! Reprint or ban reflection of kikki jiki (pref reprint, while it is an amazing card it's not entirely format warping and generally introduces interesting and thoughtful play patterns *IMO*), and *prooooobably* ban sheoldred well, and reprint mana confluence, then boom, format is so so so so so SO much cheaper. @@jaceee4154
@StellarisVT
@StellarisVT 3 месяца назад
@@krim7 'Tis why I mentioned I'm lucky LOL, it's genuinely a blessing.
@creeperdude1
@creeperdude1 3 месяца назад
They always do four commander precons because it is a 4 player format. They can use it in their marketing when youtubers get the decks early. Wizards shows off all four decks that way.
@Ox_Eye
@Ox_Eye 3 месяца назад
As a commander player i prefered it when decks were made from cards not necessarily made with commander in mind cause it was more interesting to build decks (tho that might just be nostalgia)
@stuartbaxter-potter8363
@stuartbaxter-potter8363 2 месяца назад
I always try to have the deck function without the commander, but that feels harder to do these days.
@GamesAndWhales
@GamesAndWhales 3 месяца назад
Just to add some commentary from the other aisle. I *do* think a refocus on commander is bad... For commander! The reason I liked the format so much in the first place was because the number of cards I had to care about each set release I could count on one hand, and buy singles which I'd only need one of even if they were pricey, so Commander along with its unique rules was also an excellent budget format. Now Wizards *designs with commander in mind* and every set I see a handful or more cards that seem precision designed to be meh in modern and limited but playable only in commander. Think Legendaries that clearly want you to play them asap and stick around or random theme support in a set that has nowhere near the cards to support that theme. This, combined with the new breakneck product release schedule, makes playing commander *expensive and exhausting* rather than cheap and relaxed!
@oniryu246
@oniryu246 3 месяца назад
My biggest issue as being primarilly a commander player is that the only other format I or other commander players i know engage with is Pre-release sealed, and that's not a "real" format.
@SNSReaper
@SNSReaper 3 месяца назад
THIS
@rodgerlang884
@rodgerlang884 3 месяца назад
I just don't want to keep up with any other format and I am really a Vorthos type player so commander speaks to me where no other format does. I've been playing this game since summer of 94 and I've participated in 3 constructed tournaments in my life. I just have no desire for it and I quit the game for a while in the early 2000s when casual magic anywhere around me died; every time I went to a shop people asked what format we were playing and I only had casual decks. Time Spiral brought me back and then we found EDH and that kept me until now. I haven't built a 60 card deck in almost 15 years.
@KyleTremblayTitularKtrey
@KyleTremblayTitularKtrey 3 месяца назад
Facts lol.
@trentyndays9015
@trentyndays9015 3 месяца назад
As a Commander player primarily, I've been trying to get my local shop to fire anything other than Commander FNMs and random draft Tuesdays, and I'm convinced that, although I do live in a small town with a small Magic community, I'm probably the only Pioneer, Pauper, and aspiring Modern and CanLander player around. Which sucks. Because as much as I enjoy commander, I love playing other formats, especially with randos because the chances of a botched Rule 0 (or worse, not having one at all) are next to none. That being said I'd kill for Modern Challenger decks as a way to approach a format like Modern because as much as I'd love to play Living End, I don't have an extra $1500 just laying around, but I'd absolutely buy a $50-75 Challenger Deck that was Tron (minus One Rings, obvs) or similar
@blacklotusalpha
@blacklotusalpha 3 месяца назад
I'm aware that as someone who almost exclusively plays kitchen table commander I'm part of the problem, but standard (or type 2 if you're old enough to remember that) was Wizards answer to being able to make money without excessive power creep. Having the primary way people engage with the game being a rotating format means they can keep selling new cards without having to constantly escalate the power/complexity of those new cards. I wasn't playing at the time but I bet if you made graphs of complexity and power creep they would line up with graphs of the rise in popularity of modern and commander. The professor is right when he says that direct to modern sets are an attempt to force rotation into modern and that's because Wizards needs that "rotation" of cards in the meta to keep selling cards. And I don't really see a good solution here since a big part of the appeal of formats like commander is not having to spend as much on new cards.
@JakeandJoelareMagic
@JakeandJoelareMagic 3 месяца назад
Commander Modern!
@travis_approved
@travis_approved 3 месяца назад
Hey Jakey Joe!
@gqwincy90
@gqwincy90 3 месяца назад
I remembered back around 2010-2011 I had a group of friends we would play 2HG and extended, and there would be a few of them playing commander while we played 2HG. At the time I never understood the format. The games would drag on forever, and the win conditions would take forever because in a 60-card format with multiple copies of cards you can get a win condition pretty quick. I did quit playing around 2016, and in December of 2022 I picked up commander, and I love the game.
@codyreid2605
@codyreid2605 3 месяца назад
Bit of a fuzzy pullover you've got there Vince. That gem in a haystack metaphor is top notch
@PleasantKenobi
@PleasantKenobi 3 месяца назад
It's so comfy, and so warm!
@helxeen2607
@helxeen2607 3 месяца назад
I said this on another channel it's Commander Horizons 3. I do miss seeing stranded decks and Modern decks, all it is noting but commander decks. I miss seeing other kind of decks I just miss it.
@alexandergartner8877
@alexandergartner8877 3 месяца назад
I remember during the Dominara Standard there was a competitive blue tempo deck with a playset of Tempest Djinn, and building it did cost less than 60€.
@Caigga900
@Caigga900 3 месяца назад
The current iteration with Haughty Djinn is about the same price. Standard decks excluding Shelly are not THAT expensive. Of course wizards could do better though.
@BlazeBerger
@BlazeBerger 3 месяца назад
I mostly play commander with my kids, 8, 10, and 12. I try to teach them about priority and the stack while we're playing. It's such a subtle but highly important aspect of the game that i find really enjoyable. I find most rules arguments can be answered by understanding priority and how the stack works. It's also a good logical thinking practice.
@KillerQueenNL
@KillerQueenNL 3 месяца назад
Stumbled upon your video and just wanted to say I recently got into MTG (by buying a Warhammer Commander deck), and I don't know what a Planeswalker is. I'll go look it up now, I guess...
@PleasantKenobi
@PleasantKenobi 3 месяца назад
That's a very good point I hadn't considered. They don't have them in most of the UB stuff.
@W4llh4k
@W4llh4k 3 месяца назад
​@@PleasantKenobithe problem is aside from WAR most sets have PW at mythics, and all sorts of precons lacked PW, aside from some pandemic precons. And if you engage in kitchen table magic, with your gifted sealed product it's hard to find them.
@PleasantKenobi
@PleasantKenobi 3 месяца назад
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@TheLanach
@TheLanach 3 месяца назад
Brazilian player, and must say that wotc cutting on Portuguese translation for the cards felt like a kick in the gut. It never felt like we got that much support to begin with, but now, well, we are out for ourselves.
@W4llh4k
@W4llh4k 3 месяца назад
Question as a fellow latam, where the whales at your store focused on getting English only, like on my country?
@TheLanach
@TheLanach 3 месяца назад
@@W4llh4k Not sure if they focused on it, but a lot of the product was in English to begin with, like bundles and boxes. It was a very common for everything to be delayed due to shipping problems (every other set launch had to be delayed due lack of product, it seemed sometimes) and some stores got around it by buying boxes in English.
@TeaIngyer
@TeaIngyer 3 месяца назад
I played Commander for over half a decade, and I can safely say. Commander is just Legacy, but you need to draft a constitution before every game. I'm honestly disillusioned with it, because what was meant to be chaos incarnate has actually become 2 hour legacy games where everyone sits around malding. And if you don't want that? You have to have the rule 0 talk, but every time someone new joins in, or somebody's opinion changes, the whole thing happens over again. Whenever new broken cards come out, there needs to be a discussion, and that gets old quick considering the ramped up level of power creep in Magic as a whole the past few years. At this point I've started to play other games more, and when I do play magic I play party box, and cube draft. Magic has some of the best mechanics of any card game, but it's hard to enjoy them when they're smothered under 30 years of power creep, and complexity creep, and a card pool so big (27,000-ish) that it is now exceeding many people's ability to interact with it.
@fgsl13
@fgsl13 3 месяца назад
As a brazilian, thank you for your support!
@scarletunscripted
@scarletunscripted 3 месяца назад
1 product I would love to see is like a yearly round up of the 4 decks that won protours, they could price it like crazy and it would still be good value, or just do it after each protour, have the deck that won be a sealed deck that you can just buy, or hell all of the top 4 or top 8 decks
@iPostPwnedU
@iPostPwnedU 3 месяца назад
This is a proven concept in Pokemon, granted those decks are also consumer friendly in terms of price.
@chronostrafe23
@chronostrafe23 3 месяца назад
Funny enough, we had those back before 8th Edition. You would get a deck of just proxies of the winning decks of that years Worlds series. They weren't legal in any tournament, and sold for like 10 bucks as opposed to 15, but you got a full on copy of the winning decks in proxy form. Sadly that went away shortly after, though I do miss it, as it made being able to pick up proxies of powerful cards easy enough, plus you got an idea of what a winning legacy/vintage deck looked like.
@scarletunscripted
@scarletunscripted 3 месяца назад
yeah but imagine, non proxy versions of these decks, that would be so fun@@chronostrafe23
@Volkbrecht
@Volkbrecht 3 месяца назад
Can't be done. The only way to have such a product available on the shelves is to sell it at secondary market single prices, because everything that leaves a margin is sold out instantly. All such a product would do is anger the target audience, because they are the ones that can't get their hands on it. But at that price point, you could just build the deck yourself, because as someone who is interested in competitive play you probably own half the cards already, so if you really wanted the deck, you'd just buy the missing singles.
@scarletunscripted
@scarletunscripted 3 месяца назад
it totally can be done and it wouldnt anger nearly as many people as the amount of money it would make@@Volkbrecht
@Billchu13
@Billchu13 3 месяца назад
Imagine how much easier commander would be if you could recognize your opponents' cards from across a table or webcam
@Gibbons3457
@Gibbons3457 3 месяца назад
As an almost exclusively limited player I'm just burned out by commander. It's got the entirety of magic design caught in its gravitational field and that warps card design across the whole game. I recently saw some of the cards for a commander precon, I now know where the best card designers have been sent, they work on commander products now and limited sets get what's left. The push for every format to be this explosively powerful thing, where evey card does two or more things, generating loads of value. This has resulted in limited formats speeding up immensely because every card now needs an answer or runs away with the game, which makes land issues more pronounced and game ending more so then before. These cards are designed around commander mana bases and four player games, not a 2v2 draft games and it shows. When Khans of Tarkir came on to arena in January it was like a breath of fresh air, the contrast with Ixilan just before was huge. I think it's fine that Commander got popular but the straight jacket it has the rest of the game in is killing my interest in the game as a whole. Commander players had their format but now every format bows to Commander at the expense of its own identity.
@Drakshl
@Drakshl 3 месяца назад
I think the problem a lot of people have with commander is just that for a certain subset of people who might be interested in the magic space, commander just sticks out as a "bad" format. That isnt to say its wrong to enjoy it or that people cant enjoy it, but just to say that it has a lot of inherent flaws with the way its designed ad the social rules around itthat make it very "messy". You cant just build a commander deck that is "as powerful as possible" because you need a bunch of vintage staples so as a new person jumping into the format the financial barrier is too high (unless you want to proxy which sure, but for a CCG the answer of "just dont use real cards" is kind of unsatisfying). even if you did make a cEDH deck, most of them look very similar because in a singleton 100 card format there are a lot of combo's which make it in as auto include because they are a very low investment way to add another tutorable wincon. You dont need to add many cards to your deck to be able to win with thassa's oracle and every viable deck is in blue anyway. If you arent going to play cEDH then you have to make a decision about what "power level" you are playing at but the idea of building a deck that is intentionally just "not good" is quite antithetical to how a lot of people view magic. even people who build jankey decks like mill or who build within a constrained budget in 60 card are usually trying to build the best deck they can within those parameters. but for commander you are just going to drive yourself insane trying to do that, there will ALWAYS be upgrades that will make your deck better at the jank strategy, but the issue is that continuously including them will push your deck up in other peoples perceptions untill it is now outside of your intended power level. you never want to be looking at your deck like "i could include this flooded strand that I own, it will make my deck objectively better but the people I want to play with *might* think that it is too good", and the issue is this could happen with 10+ cards every time you want to build a new deck. its also a format where some magic archetypes that are core to the game are often unacceptable at a given table. in 60 card, its typically accepted that because you are trying to win, if you bring a draw go control deck that that is okay, but there will be many commander pods who dont appreciate you countering everything they want to play. People might also dislike you trying to win with combo, trying to win too fast, playing other disruptive or stax based strategies or any other number of things. This turns your prep for your game of magic into a negotiation. Finally, as much as people want to pretend this isnt the case, the rules of magic are just not well constructed to handle multiplayer. The best example is priority bullying. the rules just werent really built to accommodate more than two players, and there are a lot of unintended outcomes.even just at its basic level, the way that 4 40 life players pushes agro to the fringes of the meta (a core magic archetype) because "normal" ago cards havent been tuned to deal 120 ish damage fast enough. There are work arounds and builds which can put out a respectable amount of damage per turn but at its core, cards which arent high enough "card quality" for midrange decks can't make it in by being low to the ground because a red deck wins type of agro is non functional. Can a lot of this be fixed by only ever playing with a small number of people who share your conception of the game almost completely? sure. But that is a problem in and of itself. Commander almost reduces the number of people that you can play magic with because to have fun, all 4 people at the table need to be much more closely aligned than they would for a game of pioneer. Organsing a game of commander is not like organizing a game of magic. its like organizing a ttrpg oneshot.
@DH-gv6cj
@DH-gv6cj 3 месяца назад
I remedied this by creating obvious play-tiers for our group. Essentially, rule-scaping for an edh game is addressing a pregame banlist. If you were cedh, it was tier 1 or S, and simply followed the regular commander banlist. For us to limit the power of cedh, we created a "restricted" Tier 2, 'A' level ruling. That banlist was expanded to include the solrings, LEDS, jeweled lotus, mana crypts and moxes also, rhystic study. removing turbo starts made for less lopsided games overall. If you really want a "casual" B format you expand further to get rid of ALL tutors and ban any combo wins that involve only 2 cards, or cards + lands. If theres a combo like twinflame, the goblin would get banned for being the more conditional of the two. If you Ban all tutoring and shuffling abilities in general, including the fetchlands, the games go really smooth in a casual way. the ideal format for me is one where you ban every optimal card in it's niche. (ex Lighting strike Ok, lightning bolt NO)
@jamiebuzick4911
@jamiebuzick4911 3 месяца назад
been playing since '94. Still never played commander.
@mcpudd1540
@mcpudd1540 3 месяца назад
Probably my second least favorite format. I don’t like formal drafts because of the time limit and stressing about reading new cards in time, so that’s my least favorite. But commander ends up being a slog to play through because there’s just so much board state to account for. Throw in a new player or two into the pod and it’s a recipe for a 3 and a half hour game. I’d rather play a format like pauper where the games are like 10-20 mins long and you can play like 4 best of 3’s in the time it takes for half a commander game to finish.
@rodgerlang884
@rodgerlang884 3 месяца назад
This made me laugh because I'm exactly the opposite. I started in 94 as well and at this point I only play Commander, I haven't built a paper 60 card deck in almost 15 years. I would have completely quit the game a long time ago without Commander
@JJMickeyMedia
@JJMickeyMedia 3 месяца назад
This is just my personal anecdote but it speaks to MaRo's point about the 'kitchen table player'. I first got into Magic with a Journey into Nyx bundle my friend brought over and we'd see what sort of decks we could build from that. And for about 4 years, that was all the Magic I knew, anything that didn't come in that bundle I was completely oblivious to during that time, which included dual lands and planeswalkers.
@spitfire4209
@spitfire4209 3 месяца назад
Seems pretty clear, especially when every set, not just the precons but the set itself, has a ton of legendry creatures that are clearly designed to be the engine piece to run a deck and have more game text than an entire law student's textbook.
@MrBragle
@MrBragle 3 месяца назад
I don't know, 25 years ago I used to play tabletop only and had a Skeleton / Delraich deck, sacing the skeletons to the delraich enter trigger, but then regening them :D
@logo2462
@logo2462 3 месяца назад
Imagine if they sold modern challenger decks 😭
@neros_soren
@neros_soren 3 месяца назад
Imagine if they still sold Challenger decks, period. 🤣
@alexleblanc6364
@alexleblanc6364 3 месяца назад
What sort of price would you expect a modern challenger deck to go for?
@allpissedup229
@allpissedup229 3 месяца назад
As someone trying to get into standard recently it's been baffling how little options I have but to load up cardmarket and overspend on singles.
@neros_soren
@neros_soren 3 месяца назад
@@allpissedup229 You can thank WotC for unofficially discontinuing Standard Challenger decks. But you can buy most cards on cardmarket for cheap, if you are willing to buy from private sellers. Except if you want to be really competitive...then there is no "cheap" in MTG.
@mcpudd1540
@mcpudd1540 3 месяца назад
@@allpissedup229come join the pauper club. Our meta decks are like $80
@pauldaulby260
@pauldaulby260 3 месяца назад
Casual players not understanding the stack reminds me of this interaction "I pay 1 and sacrifice my goblin charbelcher to kill your creature" "I'll kill your charbelcher in response" "Hmm... aha, okay well in response I'll pay 1 and sacrifice my charbelcher to kill your creature" "Oh damn"
@WillySnake01
@WillySnake01 3 месяца назад
The problem is not that Commander is the focus. The problem is when they assign design teams into making Commander Decks for a direct-to-Modern set instead of making those design teams focus completely on the set so they can avoid previous mistakes like Hogaak or the Invocations. The problem is when, in every Standard set, they introduce quote-unquote "fun" new multicolored legendary cards with a wall of text that when you open one up on a Limited environment you waste time reading it fully to ultimatetly say "meh?" and pick the better uncommon or common card instead, if the time you wasted reading the card didn't manage to burn all your time for your pick, where you pick just something randomly instead. The problem is when they introduce explicitly designed multiplayer mechanics (e.g. Monarch, Initiative) that their whole focus is to solve for stallness, a problem Commander games normally have, but fail to anticipate how those mechanics may or may not affect 1-on-1 environments because "the focus is Commander", and then those mechanics start pushing those formats in ways not intended by the mechanic. The problem is that they lose focus of the design ethos of their other products when focusing on Commander on all of them.
@carlossoto9531
@carlossoto9531 3 месяца назад
I like the new lighting PK
@Dimitar_Tsanev
@Dimitar_Tsanev 3 месяца назад
I don't know what's gotten into me the past week or so but I can't (and honestly don't want to) stop myself from going around different MtG related videos' comment sections and sharing my thoughts on all of Magic being commander now. I never really got the appeal of commander and even though I've tried I never got into it. I've always been and probably always will be a kitchen table Magic player but I like to be up to date with anything in this game both in terms of news and in terms of.releases (of course I can't afford the latter but I buy singles and the occasional booster box and I generally like to keep my finger on the game's pulse). That said, even though I have nothing against commander as a variant of Magic and the fact that people like it (after all that's how things work when games exists for over 30 years-people improvise different ways of utilising the core rules and invent new ways of playing with them), I can't help but feel like its fast increase in popularity in recent years isn't natural and I'd go as far as to say it's parasitic to other waya of playing the game. I feel like the format was developing and growing naturally to the point where Wizards acknowledged it and started printing precons for it alongside the other precons they were printing. At that stage (roughly 10-12 years ago) people started refering to commander as 'THE casual format of magic'. The growth of this idea through word of mouth naturally led to many new players being introduced to Magic via commander and I'm willing to bet many of them either haven't played any other form of Magic because they think it's too competitive/intense or they've never actually been shown other forms of this game. Therefore, when for many new players the only way of looking at Magic is through the lens of 'commander first and everything else second' due to how they have been introduced to this otherwise incredibly open game with vast amounts of variability built in, they make purchases and most importantly, consume content based on the notion that the only thing truly worth paying attention to is commander. This creates the impression that the format is wildly popular due to the sheer amount of views and purchases but in the end what else could happen when you have a huge portion of the player base introduced to the game via commander and being convinced that everything other than commander isn't worth the effort. This is why many older players who also play commander play Magic in other ways as well. Anyway, the point of this explanation is that the feedback loop created from introducing new players via commander only leads to the MtG discourse being focused mainly on commander, which leads to much of the content both physical and online to be focuses on commander as well. Because after all that's what people want right? i don't think so. I think many people either don't know about the alternatives or have a really wrong idea of what they are due to someone not introducing them properly. This leads us to the current day where we have only commander precons being sold by Wizards and they're in every set, even fucking Modern Horizons III, a fucking set all about the fucking modern format. We have cards specifically designed for commander that don't work outside this format and can't be used anywhere else so you need to actively avoid them when building decks. We have people thinking and (and that's worse) saying that commander is the only way of playing magic casually or in multiplayer. Let's look at kitchen table magic. What does it mean? Well it can mean anything. Do you want to play a 100 card singleton deck? No problem-go ahead. However, you're not required to restrict yourself in such a way. Do you want to build a 60 card deck with up to 4 copies of each individual card? No problem as well. However, you're not limited to that as well.l you can do these things and everything in-between. You can have 1, 2, 3 or up to 4 copies of any card and that could be 4 Sol Rings which might sound OP but consider the fact that your opponents can also play anything they like and suddenly no wacky and incredibly powerful or creative build is off limits. Also. You want to play 4 people free for all multiplayer using those wacky decks? No problem. Oh, you want to play 3 vs. 3 teams or one against 3 or 4 people? No problem again. You can literally do whatever you want and you don't have to adhere to an awfully restrictive and honestly cumbersome deck building format, you don't necessarily have to deal with the personalities of multiple strangers in a pod at your LGS because you HAVE to play multiplayer and you only brought one friend. And most importantly, there is no ban list other than what you and your group agree to. After all every version of playing magic has originated from players experimenting with existing and universally available and accessible game pieces that were repurposed. Not by catering to a specific format/way of playing to the degree that it ends up occupying almost the entirety of the game. This just feels wrong.
@vaporworks5245
@vaporworks5245 11 дней назад
I started playing the game just an year and a half ago. Me and my friend learned the game through 60 cards starter decks, and that shaped our experience of the game. At our LGS, everybody and their mother acted like Commander was the only way of playing the game, and bragged that it also was the most casual and chill you could get. Still refused to play with us because "you have a 60 card deck". It felt so stupid to me, they are the same cards, same game, why not? We moved on, continued to play just by ourselves (I know, very low gathering for a game that's called "the gathering"). I tried a modern event, got clubbered to death (as expected) by decks that costed more than my kidney. Recently tried a Commander party, after refusing to do so for months. It's Commander right? Cheap and affordable relaxed fun experience right? Nope. Everybody were playing combos and expensive decks even there, felt like modern but with more time wasted. What's supposed to be the difference then? Cheap? I counted so many cards within the 40-50 bucks range.. Kitchen table magic Is probably still the best way to play at this point, the only problem is: everybody refuses to play it. I seriously hope I Just got unlucky with the type of people around here, but unfortunately every place I look for here hosts the same experience.
@Dimitar_Tsanev
@Dimitar_Tsanev 11 дней назад
@@vaporworks5245 Unfortunately, it seems like what you're describing isn't a unique situation and most people's entire idea of casual Magic boils down to just commander. This is why although I really love the game, I'm just not going to be playing it for an unspecified amount of time because I just don't feel like I belong. I literally have no one to play with casually unless it's commander. It's a good thing that there are other awesome games out there such as Grand Archive which is really scratching a similar itch while not feeling all that similar to Magic (although even as an anime fan I can't take some of the art seriously). Many people's preferred alternative is Flesh and Blood but other than the incredible overall aesthetic it's not my thing. The Digimon TCG and Cardfight!! Vanguard are also great. So yeah, I'll wait for the commander hype to die down. It might be another couple of years until either the next big thing in Magic replaces it or it actually takes over the entirety of the game and is the only format people play. I hope it won't take long for people to remember that this game can actually be whatever they want it to be instead of just one thing...
@vaporworks5245
@vaporworks5245 11 дней назад
@@Dimitar_Tsanev I understand where you're coming from, I tried Flesh & Blood too but didn't like It much. I would get back to playing Yu-Gi-Oh, if It wasn't in that despicable state (Edison and GOAT are still good though). As for magic, I think I'll try making counter-meta decks with what I have, for the time being, and maybe try pauper. Regarding the general situation of the game.. I don't know if Commander will change or go away. Luckily, there are a lot of other great games to play also.
@zjaeriqsanders1731
@zjaeriqsanders1731 3 месяца назад
I really don’t like commander. The thing that makes me really loathe it right now is how it has entirely consumed casual mtg. I cannot express how much this upsets me and reduces my ability to play the game as someone who’s getting back in after along time. I don’t know how common this was but when I used to play, with my group, kitchen table style magic was great and very natural to play. We could jump right into really fun matches with a deck we just built from a draft or a precon if they were new, then over time we’d upgrade it as you bought boosters or sometimes specific cards you heard about/saw, then eventually people would get to the point where they had enough cards and a good enough understanding of the game to build a deck from the cards they had collected. They weren’t competitive level or anything like that but they were really fun and interesting decks that were really solid and felt very powerful as non-tournament level veterans and downright unstoppable to our newer players lol. Theres this sentiment I see a lot now that that is what commander is for, as if you couldn’t do that before with regular mtg formats. It really rubs me the wrong way because not only is that absolutely possible to do with normal formats, but there also uses to be a space for it where there doesn’t seem to be anymore. There’s so many things like that, commander also has a reputation for being more noob friendly and the only format you can play more than 2 players. Commander is so much worse for new players it’s ridiculous, there are more systems at play and more moving pieces because of the command zone, it limits a lot of the depth of the game, and it teaches them to crutch on one card and build their whole deck around it. Not to mention the community’s weird “spirit of commander” thing discouraging oppressing the board which can mean literally anything at any given time, shackling a new player’s ability to experiment with powerful cards and interactions they want to try to whatever fits into whatever box the group they are playing with likes. And you can play multiplayer in regular mtg too, 2 headed giant is really awesome but even besides that you can absolutely free for all, it’s weird and crazy but that’s half of why you do it in the first place, that’s why people love commander so much too no? I don’t know where either of these ideas came from but how much they annoy me is exacerbated by how much commander is overshadowing casual mtg now. Also even just in a conceptual/gameplay level commander is overrated I feel I get the idea, when I was first starting magic I naturally almost came up with a very similar idea, “man wouldn’t it be cool if I could have this one card I really like as my main card that I can guarantee to have in my hand every match and then my whole deck could be built around synergies with that card”, and I imagine this is a common thought among new magic players which is why commander exists. But almost immediately I realized that this takes away a lot of the depth I love about mtg and really limits what is possible both in matches and when it comes to deck building, on top of the fact that if you want to play like that you basically can it just takes a tiny bit of extra work and isn’t exactly the same. To this day I build a lot of my decks like that, where it’s almost as if one of the cards is my commander.
@travis_approved
@travis_approved 3 месяца назад
Sometimes I genuinely feel like commander will outlive Magic at large in a way. Like I could almost see WotC ending the production of standard magic sets in the future in favour of producing sets of commander decks with collectors boosters. Hell, rename the whole game to commander and treat it like smash bros.. (I don't actually think they would do that, I am being a bit dramatic) We don't get standard playable precons yearly anymore, we don't get pioneer precons yearly anymore, and we've never really gotten modern accessible decks out of the box. Now we get commander decks in a set whose name is supposed to mean "the future of modern" and its just like.. I have enough commander decks, and I'd love to try modern for the cost of a precon. Too bad lol
@travis_approved
@travis_approved 3 месяца назад
I get to own a fully legal gauntlet of pioneer decks because of the pioneer precons, and with a little bit of love those decks are fucking fantastic. Eternal formats are awesome. WotC should do more to get people to play them (even casually!)
@premiumfruits3528
@premiumfruits3528 3 месяца назад
Oh don't worry, WotC is 100% going to drop standard completely within the next few years, and pioneer and modern will follow soon after. They've made it very clear they only care about commander now, because that's what sells the most product.
@matthewrose8002
@matthewrose8002 Месяц назад
Modern at the cost of a precon is pretty much bogles, infect or some other aggro strategy.
@902496
@902496 3 месяца назад
I used to buy the full set of commander decks every year, when they were annual. When they started doing them every set, I stopped buying every one. I think the last full set I got was warhammer, before that, Ikoria. I almost never buy even a single deck now. Theres too many, too much to keep track of, too much money to spend. I buy singles of the cards that I want from the set (if I even know they exist, I don't follow spoilers as much, because theres too many cards and too many words on the too many cards). So yeah, I used to spend $120-140 a year on magic automatically in the commander decks, and now I don't even spend $40. Guess this is what they meant by "not every product is for everyone". I guess the precons weren't actually for me, and they fixed the issue for me.
@Banaanivatkuli
@Banaanivatkuli 3 месяца назад
I only knew what planeswalkers were when I started because I started with Ravnica Vraska precon deck. Wouldn't have known about sagas if I hadn't gotten one from some starter land box. And I only played for two expansions and never knew about the stack until I started watching Magic videos on youtube this year. And I still don't know what battles are.
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor 3 месяца назад
I just wanna play Vintage.
@user-rw5zw9wi2q
@user-rw5zw9wi2q 3 месяца назад
Shit I just want to play literally anything other than Commander.
@D0012D13
@D0012D13 3 месяца назад
Too bad vintage is essentially limited to
@WhiteBorderMTG
@WhiteBorderMTG 3 месяца назад
Majority of vintage events allow proxies and have for more than a decade.
@user-rw5zw9wi2q
@user-rw5zw9wi2q 3 месяца назад
​@@WhiteBorderMTGI think you missed the point entirely.
@matthewrose8002
@matthewrose8002 Месяц назад
@@WhiteBorderMTG Most don't want to play with proxies and most would come with mostly proxied decks. They need to remove the reserve list.
@rav5373
@rav5373 3 месяца назад
I try to make others at my lgs play limited more, although they don't want to play sealed or draft for 2 reasons: 1. It takes quite a but of time(which is reasonable, although we could organise some small limited event) 2. They would have to spend even more money(which is also reasonable, but you're buying packs anyway, instead of buying packs just to open them, you could buy packs to play with them) My solution? Pack Wars. It takes less than 20 minutes and is affordable. For those who don't know: pack wars is a thing where each player gets 1 draft booster, shuffles it with 15 basic lands(3 of each) and plays a regular match with it. You can't look at the cards when you open them and you can't take muligans. It's really fun.
@MagicTheIsolationist
@MagicTheIsolationist 3 месяца назад
This sounds AWESOME!! Thanks for sharing! ❤️‍🔥
@muddlewait8844
@muddlewait8844 3 месяца назад
Starter packs have returned!
@p4radoxical
@p4radoxical 3 месяца назад
Draft is perfect for me because I don’t necessarily feel like investing the amount of money to play standard or modern that commander just doesn’t quite demand to be enjoyable, but I still crave the feeling of one on one formats and draft provides that with the even playing field of a single set everyone is playing with.
@user-rw5zw9wi2q
@user-rw5zw9wi2q 3 месяца назад
The people sound like idiots.
@Filip-uo2sq
@Filip-uo2sq 3 месяца назад
A big reason people would get into EDH is a non-rotating deck that is only as expensive as you let it be (kind of, but generally yes). Commander's Quarter has ton lists for cheap, or you can get a precon, or try your own $100 brew. Or if you really need to, spend $500+ on staples. And while there is the neverending debate about power level, reasonable people will adjust to each other at the table. Which can't be done in Modern without $1.000 budget.
@sambrown9475
@sambrown9475 3 месяца назад
I primarily play commander in even I was upset that monitor Horizons 3 did not get Challenger decks
@ajaxender12
@ajaxender12 3 месяца назад
Commander is a singleton, 4-player free for all format with a guaranteed 'cool' card available to every player (and being open info to each other player) that inherently puts restrictions on deckbuilding options. That 'fixes' so many things about Magic that are irrelevant or even ideal for competitive play, but that are a net negative for casual play and particularly are a deterrent for new players. Finding ways to guide players from Commander to non-singleton formats, now that seems like a path forward... and maybe (or maybe not) that includes a Modern set coming with Commander decks.
@iwasanisland5844
@iwasanisland5844 3 месяца назад
I wouldn't say 4 commander decks per set is an arbitrary number, pods are typically 4 players. Making 4 decks lets the pod each play a different deck. This also works great for RU-vidrs and Streamers to promote the set of decks by just playing each one.
@michaelnelson5762
@michaelnelson5762 3 месяца назад
We've tried to engage with our local store, and they've tried multiple times to get Standard, Pioneer and Draft events onto their calendar. Heck, we even tried Modern. But to no avail. The only things that get any traction are the Tuesday Commander night, or pre-releases. They don't even run FNM any more because of being burnt too many times trying to get competitive formats going, and they're classed as a Premium Store by Wizards!
@timburke7959
@timburke7959 3 месяца назад
As someone who plays mostly commander, I’d be really interested in a pre constructed standard, pioneer or modern deck 🤷
@michaelnovak3417
@michaelnovak3417 3 месяца назад
Pauper- nah Penny dreadful- perfection
@jj-sc1kq
@jj-sc1kq 3 месяца назад
A quick comment about the "there are players out there that don't know what a planes walker is." When I learned magic, the game was between two powerful wizards. (not planes walkers. That term came later.) When I left the game for awhile as the first Ravnica sets were released, I still hadn't heard anything about the change to the meta story that changed it from wizards to Planes walkers. Also, no planes walkers had been released yet. (Although they had shown up enough in the novels that I was aware of what they were and that they existed.) When I came back to the game some time later, I was confused by the planes walker cards. I had a hard time learning the rules related to them and generally avoided playing with them as a result. I have since gotten more information about them and how they play. And yes, it would surprise me if there are many players today that actively play that don't know. But I am sure there are many that used to play and have no idea.
@trerubinsy6250
@trerubinsy6250 3 месяца назад
Our LGS is commander only basically. We made pioneer decks and started playing. Only a few people would be there each week so the store "stopped" it. They never advertised except on the wizards site/app. We've asked for any other format but commander is supreme. I personally am just looking to change it up here and there but we have 3 days a week where commander is run now.
@haydonali4169
@haydonali4169 3 месяца назад
Man this video slaps, your arguments are always so well-crafted. Incredibly insightful stuff, thanks Vince
@PleasantKenobi
@PleasantKenobi 3 месяца назад
I appreciate the kindness.
@HazardManTV
@HazardManTV 3 месяца назад
I'm not against these being their entirely own thing released side by side with the set. What bugs me is these cards are sometimes included in the rare slot of normal play packs, and if you're not into commander, you're pulling something that has no value to you, and feels forced on you.
@socalxninja259
@socalxninja259 3 месяца назад
thats what is killing other formats, forcing powercrept commander- centric cards making them legal in standard and it warping it, stagnating it and its more than just one per set, its multiple cause there has to be answers to the powerful cards for "diversity of strategies". commander was fine when it wasnt pushed and happened organically along side standard. but losing that focus and this is where it gets us. no interest in anything but whats being catered to. and honestly why would anyone play a format that has no future.
@StrongButAwkward
@StrongButAwkward 3 месяца назад
I think part of people only engaging with MTG via Commander/EDH has to be just the state of the world and cost of living in addition to the cost of the game. Lots of people don't have a lot of time showing up consistently to any hobbies or if they have time, it's for one at most to take seriously. EDH can be engaged with intermittently with low stakes. Whereas if you want to be good at Modern, you probably need to show up and play consistently and you need other people play with. You also need to actually spend the money to play competitive sanctioned formats like modern or legacy. Money is less required for casual EDH play on the other hand. A lot of people are just scraping by and don't have a lot of time so being able to drop in with minimal consistency or money investment for games of EDH is a lot easier than buying into a good modern deck and showing up consistently.
@edpaolosalting9116
@edpaolosalting9116 24 дня назад
You worded it better than I did. Thank you.
@SWAT6809
@SWAT6809 3 месяца назад
To expand upon your point: Commander brought scooze to old formats and it was fine. 1 new card from 4 precons doesnt ruin eternal stuff, modern rotations does.
@InfyrnaSinath
@InfyrnaSinath 3 месяца назад
My LGS's have started running standard events and they have been well recieved. Pioneer, modern and Pauper also have regular slots. They are also running other events like team trio and 2 headed giant events. These are all well received.
@kayntrain
@kayntrain 2 месяца назад
I know this old guy he was in magic back in the day, vintage but came back because of commander. He missed out on what a battle/invasion card is. Nice guy
@michaelmiller5177
@michaelmiller5177 3 месяца назад
The problem with Modern is price. The after market price of a Modern precon at the same power level as the Veloci-ramp-tor precon would be $500USD minimum. The Commander precons typically have around a 2:1 to 3:1 ratio of after market price. Splitting the difference at 2.5:1 a Modern precon would start at $200 USD. That price differential exists to keep card prices inflated, because no one who put 4 $90 Sheoldreds in their deck wants to see a new deck with 4 of them in it selling for $200 dropping the price of the card to $30 or lower.
@edpaolosalting9116
@edpaolosalting9116 24 дня назад
Exactly this. If MTG can make 1v1 affordable, everyone will try. But competitive TCGs by nature go against that as people optimise things in favor of meta, which in turn dictates the prices.
@DeadSkinSuit
@DeadSkinSuit 3 месяца назад
Commander also naturally enforces and encourages the collectible side of the game. If you're going to lean into the collectors market with all the special-full-extended-limited-crossover-foil-borderless-etc cards, it's only natural to heavily promote a singleton format that encourages people to chase a copy of cool versions of their favorite cards. From a business standpoint the model is a no brainer.
@yellowpitch1840
@yellowpitch1840 3 месяца назад
Thank you for reporting on the end of the Portuguese print. I learned something.
@fcknmrcls
@fcknmrcls 3 месяца назад
As a new player who joined with LotR, I really fucking wish they would do some modern, standard, and even other precinstructed sets to help new players learn those formats.
@devinmosley5958
@devinmosley5958 3 месяца назад
Kitchen table player here. I vaguely know what the stack is. I definitely know what a plsneswalker is, and I love the pre con decks. Building a deck one card at a time is too much for me
@HienNguyenHMN
@HienNguyenHMN 3 месяца назад
They could've made a Commander deck that's also legal in Modern.
@dereekee
@dereekee 3 месяца назад
I was a competitive player years and years ago (not like professional, but I took it seriously). I gave that up because of the cost, stress, and time investment. I swore I was finished with Magic. Just this past year my friends finally talked me into giving Commander a shot and I've had an absolute blast with it.
@cadet87
@cadet87 3 месяца назад
I like his warhammer/magic story. I watched some guys I worked with play magic and they thought the could use there creatures to attack there opponents creatures directly. It was funny and when I tried to verify they said this was how they played for years😂
@aner_bda
@aner_bda 3 месяца назад
I got into Magic just over a year ago, with Commander with a group of 8 friends. We meet weekly and play Commander and it's fun! That said, I want to try out different formats, specifically limited formats like Draft or even cubes, but none of my friends seem interested in it, at all. I've tried floating the idea around, even suggesting Pauper, but it's not really interesting to them. There's also no other community of Magic players in my area, not even an LGS, we all order our cards online. It's rough, but there's not a ton I can really do about it, I guess.
@eepopgames2741
@eepopgames2741 3 месяца назад
I just hate that there is product with Modern in the name that I am not allowed to play the cards from in Modern. I already checked out of watching standard set releases for modern cards as a large proportion of the time that I saw something that seemed like it might be playable, it was actually from the adjacent commander product. But Modern Horizons was the refuge, the kind of set I could actually pay attention to and clearly know that it was cards for modern. Having to ask for every card thats spoiled "oh wait, am I actually allowed to get excited about this card for the format I care about?" is exhausting.
@mrdrock
@mrdrock 3 месяца назад
Our young adult group loves commander, but we have been doing limited drafts from older sets. Not only to change things up, but to get some cards in new players hands as they start deckbuilding.
@m1gr3nA
@m1gr3nA 3 месяца назад
lgs cannot report proxy event as official event right? allocations of product are made based on attendance. so there is disincentive for lgs to run proxy events.
@edsainmuramasa4751
@edsainmuramasa4751 3 месяца назад
In Portugal, we buy the english stuff only. It's more standardized, easier to find and tournament legal. Some of the older mtg decks did come in portuguese, til at least tenth edition cause my brother had one, and I've seen kamigawa decks in pt for sale, but they've phased out.
@jonunciate7018
@jonunciate7018 3 месяца назад
The local gamestore I frequent has completely stopped buying and selling magic singles. They blame commander. Nobody is buying play sets of cards and they can't compete with the online market. However, they get a TON of commander players. It feels strange to me that, despite massive turnout, they can't move singles, just the occasional lose pack. This is common theme for many smaller LGS. Unfortunately, I can't justify ordering booster boxes from ANY LGS in my area when they often charge 20% to 60% more than the online market. I don't mind paying a little more for convenience and instant gratification and the good feeling from supporting the place I play at, but these mark ups are unsustainable. Mtg is sadly very unfriendly to LGS. At my favorite LGS, they converted all their shelf space for singles to pokemon, which has a MUCH stronger collector market.
@TheOriginalIBT
@TheOriginalIBT 3 месяца назад
I really want to see budget options to get into formats like theyve done with pioneer, print a tier 2 modern precon like burn for example, with maybe one or two fetches to make it cheaper to get into the formats, you dont have to have a full on competitive rhino deck to have fun in those formats but a 100€ to try out a format with a bad budget version seems bad compared to a possible 40€ precon that lets you try the format and lets you decide if you want to spend more in the future
@goodtaste2185
@goodtaste2185 3 месяца назад
They should make a Commander variant where each player has a 6p card deck and you can have 4 of each card and its 1v1.
@therubyblade196
@therubyblade196 3 месяца назад
Problem with that is combo decks would be far, far too consistent. Imagine if every niv mizzet deck could run 4 copies of curiosity. Same could be done with faster combos that use the commander as one of the pieces.
@jonathanantonioaguirregonz110
@jonathanantonioaguirregonz110 3 месяца назад
We made a playgroup with friends that we introduced to Magic. I confirm they don't know what a planeswalker is.
@bryceduyvewaardt8136
@bryceduyvewaardt8136 3 месяца назад
I think prize support given FREE to stores for non-commander tournaments is key. Get people excited to compete, get them in stores and have them feel happy with participating. Commander is fun but it’s going to not fit a lot of players so the game can’t funnel it’s formats to “make biggest number bigger” at the cost of others.
@StellarisVT
@StellarisVT 3 месяца назад
modern horizons 3 commander decks, I genuinely think I'm gonna hang myself
@iamavataraang
@iamavataraang 3 месяца назад
Got the same problem here, trying to get my friend group to play pulper commander
@JayAndNightASMR
@JayAndNightASMR 3 месяца назад
So many commander products are being released. it's difficult to keep track now
@SuperRogueTrader
@SuperRogueTrader 3 месяца назад
I swapped from competitive magic to competitive 40k (in fact have played you!). I still have a couple of edh decks but i spend about £20 on yearly total. Magic isnt really for me anymore but i have good memories of GP weekends.
@PMcDFPV
@PMcDFPV 3 месяца назад
I like the lighting man!
@DaAvengerMenace4
@DaAvengerMenace4 3 месяца назад
They are not even hiding it anymore
@InsertCleverNameHere0
@InsertCleverNameHere0 3 месяца назад
They haven't been hiding it for a while now
@banjothulu
@banjothulu 3 месяца назад
They haven't been hiding it for over a decade.
@user-rw5zw9wi2q
@user-rw5zw9wi2q 3 месяца назад
They haven't hidden it since 2011.
@haus_dad977
@haus_dad977 3 месяца назад
Im a rollercoaster of magic participation before I became enfranchised around 2013. Before that time I can appreciate Mark's claim about casual players. Some of the examples are extremes but there are definitely complete dissociations from the online community, casual me didnt know what a PW was until another casual in my playgroup sleeved one up, I didnt know any content creators or drama, I wasnt even on twitter at that time. I learned the rules proper in 2012 when a group of my friends were all getting into it, and even then some things just take time to master, we also did not comprehend the secondary market, what made cards good or why on earth some had certain price points... The friends I used to play with but didnt continue still have sketchy comprehension of the rules (I recently had a conversation where one explained to me that they hated the stack mechanic because it made no sense, then proceeded to explain a series of illegal game actions to me about it). This is a very real player who will spend $100 - 200 in their lifetime on magic product, then shelf it with the rest of their spontaneous game purchases. Casuals who just never engaged and appreciate the couple of game nights they have with friends playing it are valid and have an overall positive experience with the game, and often speak well of it and convince other people to try it. The enfranchised commander player is just this experience stretched out over time. If you want to engage with magic positively, I'm convinced this is the most sustainable way to do so for most people, and wotc is capitalizing on it.
@jasonrhome710
@jasonrhome710 3 месяца назад
My favorite format is sealed, which was really only done for release events from what I understood. Come to find out that a LGS holds regular sealed events around the time Hasbro did the Christmas Massacre and I just can't support that. It sucks, as there are things about how this game works that I like, including EDH/Commander being the answer to, "What do I do with the out of rotation cards or rare one-offs I managed to land?" issue that happened as a more casual player. (Was also working on building a cube prior to selling off most of my collection.)
@bobconway5958
@bobconway5958 3 месяца назад
many of my friends who started playing Magic when Revised came out and stopped before Zendikar, still play very casually but do not know how to play with cards that have come out since Anyone who has been playing after planeswalkers came out after planeswalkers can not help but know
@WhiteBorderMTG
@WhiteBorderMTG 3 месяца назад
Let me shill the Old School and Premodern formats to you
@MrColtux
@MrColtux 3 месяца назад
Please take a look into Sorcery: Contested Realm. Please. It is a return to form for the TCG market. It feels like vintage magic but also fresh and new as you play and learn the intricacies. The community is the best too. I promise you will love it.
@MrColtux
@MrColtux 3 месяца назад
One thing to add. It is one set a year, so you can easily keep up with it as a busy adult or as a secondary TCG.
@KyleTremblayTitularKtrey
@KyleTremblayTitularKtrey 3 месяца назад
There is a giant body of kitchen table players. A silent majority. They play on lunchroom tables though too and they play 60ish card essentially vintage/legacy with no rules lol. They know what a planeswalker is and I assure you they dont need commander precons. Probably they need standard tbh.
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