Everything Was Becoming More and More Beautiful -- Interview with Lisa Cairns 

I have avoidant personality and non-duality worked for me. I did not have any fear of loosing the ego, because I really wanted to get rid of it. What amazed me is that by loosing the sense of personal self, I actually discovered myself. Not only in the absolute sense, but also on the psychological level. For the first time in my life I felt unconditional love towards this damaged self, that always wanted to be loved. The Self loves the self 😄

The two of you together!!! Goodness gracious the abundance is infinite!!! 💗🙏😘

I could listen to you two confirming emptiness all day long! This is the most comfortable I’ve seen the expression of Lisa in conversation. Love that you are willing to honor Lisa’s expression an impression on you. I do the same for you Angelo thank you for sharing and doing what you do

Lisa is georgeous

The crossover that I didn't know I needed!

In David R Hawkins book “Transcending the Levels of Consciousness, the Stairway to Enlightenment” he states that enlightened beings calibrate at high levels and they transmit a vibration to the collective consciousness field of mankind and this energy field counterbalances the negative energies that prevail in the majority of the world’s population. The other service that advanced levels of consciousness provides is information that is of transformative value for the benefit of their students. Thank you both for uplifting humanity. The great awakening is happening.❤🙏

'If you want to eliminate your ego, you need to have a strong ego first.' Very wise insight.

Oh my two favourite speakers! What a wonderful treat! Thankyou luvlies

Yay! Two of my favourite people in one place! 😄

You are my two favourite teachers. What a delight to see you together and to hear some extra details of Lisa's life. I love her imagination, kookiness, and heart. Her journey of commitment to discovering truth is quite something. And the Tony Parson's story is hilarious. 😆Thank you both.

Great conversation. Lisa seems like a genuine embodiment of what it means to learn from and be both opened and humbled by whatever life sets before us. Thank you both! 💜🌎🦋🫥🤬

Ive enjoyed listening to Lisa over the years. I always came at this from a quite masculine, logical frame so I like listening to her kinda sensitive, intuitive , whimsical , lovely surrendered way of talking about this stuff. There is zero pretentiousness , no holding up an image ( despite her beauty) and just kinda of goofy fun to her way of speaking. I pop in to her talks here and there just to get a dose of it .

Until recently I’ve never heard anyone talk about building the self and ego before going forward. I come from a place where I had lots of childhood trauma, including what I would call religious trauma from an emotionally abusive parent who very much misinterpreted Buddhism. I am currently going to therapy and doing somatic work. So it’s good to hear I might be on the right track for me. I adore Peter Levine and his work. I also love Richard Schwartz (IFS) and David Berceli (TRE). I think Buddhism has a lot to learn from the world of trauma.

Wow, what an inspiring high energy interview! I went to one of Lisa's retreats and remember how powerful it was for me. I was sleeping in a tent and I remember dreaming I was inside an amazing threedimensional painting/artwork that was moving as wel. It was so vivid and just really cool in an artistic way. It seemed to represent how I experienced being around Lisa and the other amazingly beautiful people that were present there.

Dear Angelo, thank you for this interview with Lisa. Looking at her I thought I sensed a deep sadness in her, but as I listened I got the feeling that what was reflected was the sadness and pain of all the separated beings in this world. Then she smiles with her eyes and in that light the pain is forgiven and healed. This is a connection with humanity, not a pulling back.

What a great and helpful interview! I was so surprised to hear about Lisa's experience in Bali. A few years ago, I started having moments where everything was the air was sparkling and I would just sit, and it was hard to move. At the same time though, anxiety attacks became very tangible and energetic. It reminded me of hearing Adyashanti talk about experiencing the energy of the universe unmitigated. My senses, which had a tendency to be saturated, felt overwhelming. I also became strangely irritable, where for most of my life emotions were distant and I was able to feel Presence foremost. Every time I looked at my animals, I had visions of chopping them into little pieces. There was so much sensory information and unnameable energy waves hitting me. I told my brain to stop trying to process it all, but it couldn't. So I got a diagnosis and started medicine. Learned about psychosis. I did a lot of therapy. I learned more about how to human and self. I don't think I've had as much of a self as is normal. I saw that mentioned somewhere for my diagnosis. So I was also surprised to hear you talk about how some people need to work on building a self first. My goal is to meet people where they are. To have space for everything, and not get whiplash because I spoke from Presence, then stepped out of it and can't stop worrying about fixing things. From the glimpses I've had, being awake is quite different from speaking from Presence as I have most of my life. I got off medicine a few months ago. I started listening to you, and I signed up for Violet's zoom meetings. I also signed up for the NC retreat. Transmission is very useful for me. I learn much more successfully from people who are modeling through their energy. In general, I refuse to move to where God is pointing me unless I can see people already standing there.

Omg omg omg. I watch both of your videos all the time. Cant wait to see this one!!!!! 🤩

Thank you both so much. It's an absolute pleasure 💙🙏

Wonderful being❤

I love going inward for everything meditation fallowing my intuition just being in the flow and knowing that everything can is so beautiful once you know that you are creating something so amazing and wonderful lol pure bliss ❤❤❤

If I remember correctly, dropping acid at a Tony Parsons talk is the little-known 84,001st Dhamma door.

Great interview Angelo. Always loved Lisa and her infectious kookiness and humour. What a fantastic life story! It’s so true about being in the tigers mouth. Sometimes I just want to go back to life before non duality but there’s a deep sense of inevitability, like being caught in a swift current, knowing there’s a huge waterfall down river.

Definite surprise here. Lisa was one of the first people I used to listen to when I was introduced to her by a friend who I used to live with here in London UK. Too glad for this one. The main thing (at least one of them) that I like about Lisa is she empathises with people's need to make the character have a less painful life, through therapy etc; which is something not always found in non duality talks (not that lack of it is bad per se', it's just a preference I have)

I was so lucky as a child. I would do weird things like kick a rock and then feel that I took it away from its family and I would have to try to put it back in my parents would wait for me to do that. When I was 10 years old I remember very clearly thinking I had had this huge epiphany that being 10 meant that I've been alive for 10 years and I felt time solidify and I became sadder after that. When I was younger I went through a hard-core animal activist stage as well. Seems to be a common thread among many people on this path that I speak with. We all seem to be "savers". But when you see that the perpetrators need saving too it becomes very hard (for me anyway.)

So awesome! Thankyou both for sharing !

Lisa in Wonderland, love every second of it!

🥳Yesss, lisa cairns: a favorite teacher! 😁Since 2009 or so I am a enthusiastic subscriber on her channel where she gives lots of understandable insights. Thanks to both of you for the interview 🙏🏽

I'll be interested in getting to listen to this when I have time because I watched her years ago only because I was so amused by how she stared off in space for a long time all the time. And it was all "No one is here"ing all the time. 😆😆😆 But I always thought she had such lovely presence. lol

Lots of gratitude for these amazing interviews you do. I really appreciate all your videos and the work you do to help people, you are amazing Angelo🙌🙌🙌

I just love Lisa and her great way of telling stories😍 Thanks both of you for a great interview and lots of (sometimes exploding) laughs, especially imagining Lisa “on 🔥” at Tony’s… 😂😂😂👍🏼

Gratitude.

This was so enjoyable, I love you both

Wow-what a great surprise to watch this interview! I’ve been watching Lisa’s channel for several years-I’m not surprised you know each other! You’re both such powerful transmitters! Enjoyed this thoroughly!!

I am a Newbie ( I think maybe even a Preamie) but I have always had something inside of me that see's what you both have...Angelo I found you thru our boy ZDogg...I still work full time as a Pharmacist but I am about to "check out" so I can tune-in more.....

I love this…..thank you Lisa & Angelo 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🌟❤

Hey Lisa, I really identify with you, I once went to see see Tony in Dublin with two of my mates but we all had 10 pints of Guinness before the meeting. great ole meeting Lisa. x

So so lovely 🥰 🥰 ! Sending my heart to you two. Gonna manifest Lisa does group settings in the future! 🤩 🤩 🤞 🤞

So nice to see Lisa and Angelo together! 💚

Thank you lisa, and angelo. Yes, so much beauty...sometimes a little blurry through the tears. Hang in there everyone, and just trust the unfolding.

Yay!! So great to see Lisa on here! Loved it and loved the play between you both!!! 💗

I quite liked this interview of which two parts caught my interest. The reference to ego towards the end reminded me of what Franklin Merrell-Wolff wrote in his book, "Pathways Through to Space". This is not a direct quote but he said that a strong ego can be a particular barrier to Recognition but it is also a great benefit in transmitting the values of the higher to the lower when Recognition is achieved. The second part that caught my interest was Ms. Cairns speaking about the non-functionality of her initial awakening. Earlier this month while laying in the ER I had nothing to do but practice what you Mr. Dilullo have written about in your book, "Awakening, it's your turn." After many hours I found myself in the early morning hours feeling a shift was possible on a deep level. Oddly, that was felt on the left side of my head. Thinking the shift possible the right side of my head immediately said that perhaps now, when you've a fractured pelvis, isn't the best time to lose track of where your body is. The right side won. 🙂

Got to love Lisa…❣️

Such a great interview, thanks Angelo and Lisa! I laughed a lot!🤣

Wholesome interview 🌷 looking forward to revisiting some of Lisa’s old videos, they probably make a lot more sense now compared to first watching them a few years back. 😊

Isn't she just lovely? 🍃🌻💛 She's so relatable. Only 15 mins in so far, but childhood imaginary friends... vegetarianism/veganism... unintentionally meditating to loud music 🎧... a gal after my own heart 😂🙏 This will be a cool interview.. ✨ I also hang onto whatever Roger has to say😂 I love the Bali- banana fritter awakening story. I've heard Lisa tell it before, and it's always wonderful to listen to ✨ It reminds me a bit of Suzanne Segal's bus ride awakening experience ("Collision with the Infinite") Deeply fascinating to hear the depiction of a nondual experience, moment-to-moment, from no self/center perception... Expansiveness

Beautiful

The Marvel Multiverse needs to up their game with crossovers... This one is way better :)

Thank you both so very much, for this wonderful interview. So authentic. So genuine. So interesting, helpful and enjoyable. Thank you both. X

❤ love it!, I can for sure see that what drove me to this path is the realization that I am going to die and yes that is a problem for me 😂

I love what you say to Lisa in the end, and this compassion can also be felt in you and what you do for us! Beautiful interview.

I never knew Lisa was Roger's girlfriend! So great to connect the dots! Roger is one of my favorite teachers. His descriptions of Happiness in Daily Living are very helpful to analytical minds.

Hi Angelo This was a lovely interview. I was confused for a few months now since I came across your first interview and then your book. One thing that scared me was the instant arrogance that came over and yes that was scary which made me withdraw. Still exploring! 😊 Thank you Angelo. Lots of gratitude ❤

Love this beautiful exchange🙏❣

Thanks!

This is gonna be great🙏❤️👽

The rest is silence … (Hamlet)

Thank you for this interview :) so lovely to hear you both speak

I have seen some of Lisa her earliest videos years ago. So good to see how she evolved. So rare, this subject of "molding" the ego for it to be entirely in service of the message. Subbed.

He is so into her it’s comical, showering her with compliments and gushing over her words!

Paul Selig trained as a playwright!

Amen🙏beautiful conversation; inspiring & powerful ❤thank you for sharing

Love the LSD story, very relatable.

I wish I had a cool story like theirs for my desire for awakening!

Just great. Thankd Lisa and Angelo.

I love this so much!!

Hallelujah ! Thanks Lisa - yes pointing can be a disaster - it can be problematic to point to emptiness no self etc I feel blessed in my training as a psychotherapist abiding in as the non dual state I see so many come to me in a dissociative state - it’s a dance - cosmic dance - between individuation and transcendence - Wisdom and discernment is hugely important in non duality And so is the universal/ personal heart !!❤️🔥

Two friends and myself went to a lecture by Swami Dyananda on Acid it was quite an interesting evening 😸

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To save the world, or to savour it? --EB White

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Im so glad you both spoke on The experience of losing The sense of self and other. That has happend to me and I felt The same way as those people who feel «if I go There Im lost». Never heard anyone speak of this phenomenon before, so thank you! To me it has occurred in front of The mirror, in a play between self as my body and my self as reflection, erasing the line between the two.

Thank You for this sharing ... it filled my heart and soul ...

Great to see you togheter!

Thank you so much for this interview! I love you both so much, it was just awesome to see you both together! ❤

I highly recommend taking a good look at Transactional Analysis as it explains our various personality adaptations (sub personalities )within ourselves and in our interactions with others. I recommend Dr. Vann Joines books. He has been my teacher in T A for many years. 🙏

Thanks for the interview it was really fun to watch. Does anyone know the link to the early videos that were referred to at around the 50 min mark Edit: Angelo's t shirts/hoodie game + the backgrounds are super fun. Thank you

"Signature of truth", love that ! thanks Lisa and Angelo :)

Great interview!

What an amazing interview! Love it

So beautiful. Thank you for this interview.

Beautiful. Thanks.

So beautiful. Really appreciated the part about psychology, meeting, loving people exactly where they are ❤❤❤

Thanx for this talk....love this....can relate to a little of this but resonating so much.

More of these please 🙏🏽🥰

This was powerful for me. Thank you both.

Thank you for highlighting the importance of being trauma informed, when you teach, but also going throught the process yourself. For a long time I kept my distance to anything non-duality because it had this reckless reputation of putting people into an existantial nihilistic doom perspective that just seemed to dangerously surpass all that needs to be adressed in the trauma that every human holds to some degree. - For my own unfolding I can relate to being obsessed with psychology. There was at some point this fascination of how the human psyche, how the whole system works. It never went away, instead, I grew into becoming a body psychotherapist and moving these energetic blockages in the bodymind is often times not contained in the viewpoint of western psychology anymore but transcends it into "spiritual" states and experiences or make them more likely. For myself, understanding this and trusting the bodies dynamics has helped me with an intuitive unfolding so far. Even if the mind is constantly questioning it :D - A trauma informed non-duality teaching, that takes time to point out the need to be with the hurt and process it, is so valuable and powerful. I keep coming back to these pointers again and again. Thank you, both of you, for teaching like this. 🙏❤

Thank you, very nice

Thank you 🙏💕

26:35 Regarding memory issues, I've heard about this issue from several sources now, including you and Adyashanti. However, I heard another guy say it might be a resuot of our meditation style or of spending too much time in empty awareness. His pointing is that meditation is supposed to be about focus and clarity, not spacing out and zoning out. I didn't like hearing this at first because I love the spacing out thing and often fall asleep when I'm drifting, not focusing, but I think there may be something to it. Some of us who meditate by letting go and letting go might be dulling our minds and senses. Just a thought to consider.

No doer even for the people you think would be hurt❤

Everything is becoming more and more beautiful

Roger sounds nice.

super

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Wow

Weird, all this time I thought Lisa was an Aussie! Learn something new once a year I guess! 😂

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❤❤❤❤❤❤ Lisa!!

Wow, ok... Many years ago I started reading about non-duality and then had the worst depression of my life for some time.. i think i was using it as some kind of unhealthy escape like you were discussing.. And that analogy you made about the celestial body pulling you in with it's gravity.. since quite a young age I think.. I would sometimes randomly get this sensation like there's this presence of some huge mass.. yeah, like a celestial body.. kind of a dark feeling too I'd say.. pulling me in/towards.. like i could feel it's mass and gravity, and my mass.. its mass playing on my mass.. so strange.. kinda dreadful. I don't know if I've felt this recently.. maybe..

20:49 is there still a “push” to choose non duality or Buddhism ? Because that would be difficult to do at this stage