Everything went wrong with Harman Phoenix 

Well it’s not a bad idea with bringing another camera but I wasn’t expecting such results. I used Orwo NC500, Lomo Turquoise in similar conditions and everything turned out much better 🧐

Just don’t be disappointed 😅 It’s great that Phoenix was made, no doubt about it but right now it’s not even ORWO level 😅 Pozdrawiam, czekam na kolejne filmy na kanale 🫡

Yeah, I was also very exited about Phoenix after watching Grainydays video and I was pretty shocked after picking up my developed roll. I wasn’t really aware how contrasty and limited is this stock and my shots are not the best recommendation but well I need to shoot it one more time to make a final judgement. You’re right about the emulsion, it’s based on XP2 so they literally used the only foothold they had 😅 For now Phoenix just shows that someone still cares about the film. On the other hand, we have enough experimental stocks from Lomo 🧐

I developed Pheonix in ECN-2 and also pulled it one stop and it looks significantly better, ends up having improved contrast and latitude

@@thatfellarosto maybe that’s a solution 😂 I have to order this film one more time and try different settings on a camera.

@@grainystories Even pulling one stop in c41 definitely helps a lot too!

Yeah, but those artistic effect were completely unintended and unconscious 😅

@@grainystories i always tell my students to blame accident when it goes badly, and curse it, but celebrate accident when the result is good, and drink to more happy accidents in future :) And never forget that one of the most wonderful art movements in history, surrealism, was built on accessing the unconscious. Sometimes the best art comes from not being in control. Meanwhile, I for one like the results that Phoenix gave you. It makes me want to try the film. Most film is very predictable and 'safe.' Dancing with the unpredictable adds spice to life, and getting away from the safety zone reminds us that we are firstly artists exploring our creativity. Your photographs were full of drama. That is what I liked.

@@artistjoh well, I really like your approach 😅 Maybe you’re right, I was disappointed about the results at first but after viewing those shots a few times while making this video I started to appreciate at least some of them. No doubt, they are not even close to what I was expecting but are they bad? 🤔

@@grainystories Good and bad are very much subjective conclusions. Because of that, individuals will often disagree over whether or not a result was one or the other. Ultimately, though, the only important thing, is how you relate to the results, because it is you who is artist and creator. I fully understand your consternation over the results not meeting your expectations, however, I will not be the only one who can appreciate the way the results transformed otherwise bland subjects into an interestingly poetic translation of the subjects with a drama of light and shade, and once you get over the need to be in full control, hopefully you too can appreciate the happy accidents for what they are. This is not dissimilar to my appreciation of 110 format film. Too many people dismiss it as simply 'too grainy.' I, on the other hand embrace the grain, and look for subjects that visually work well with grain, and thus the thing that other people see as a flaw, I simply see as a creative jumping off point. The flaw becomes the feature. Letting go like that, opens a new universe of possibilities. Early in the 20th century a Polish filmmaker, Ladislas Starevich accidentally discovered that bumping the model gave an interesting motion blur effect, and he started actively exploring motion blur. As a result he is now regarded as the father of both motion blur still photography, and in motion pictures, he invented stop-motion animation, both of which grew out of a happy accident. Most people would have said "dammit" and vow to not repeat it. Starevich instead said "that's interesting," and set out to explore it more. Few people realize that animations like Wallace and Gromit, or smoothing moving water using an ND filter and slow shutter both grew out of Starevich accidentally bumping the model in a photo shoot and liking the result. As William Klein once said, "blur is a natural part of life," and then made an entire career out of exploiting motion blur inspired by what Starevich was doing. I am an art history lecturer if you hadn't noticed :)

@@artistjoh Good or bad is subjective, no arguments here. I think that after watching a few videos about Phoenix I expected completely different results. So I had something completely different in my head and received something completely different from the lab. And that’s why I made this episode to show what you can expect from this stock, what are its limitations and I believe everyone could form their own conclusions. And it’s good to know why final images turned out that way to be able to use Phoenix for specific artistic visions ;) Like not only accept it but also understand it. I just like to know why 😅 For example to consciously underexpose the film to get specific “Mexico” look or to use it in even light to get this 80’s vibe. So yeah, all in all I’m pretty satisfied with the results because I could show some different perspective ;)

Thank you! It’s not that I don’t like those shots but the result surprised me a little bit and probably I was excepting something different. But I’m so glad you like them 😍 and in hindsight, I like them much more

Not as simple, because not every shot was underexposed. Rating at 125 will solve some problems but won’t change characteristic of this film.

@@grainystories It's great that we have some variety in film stocks, othervise everything would look like same old portra and hp5. At that point we could all just shoot digital tbh.

@@jyrkijyrki9392 yes, it’s great to have a choice but at the same time I can’t ignore the cons of Phoenix. I exposed it at the box speed and it turned out to be very contrasting and very limited and that’s what the video’s about 😅 Maybe someone after watching this episode won’t ruin the roll like me 🙈

Well, the sun was already setting behind the buildings but those shots were done from different angles so at least the second one should be ok, because the sun was more or less behind me 🧐

All in all is not so bad 😅

Exactly! 😅