Paramount's 2018 reboot of the 1988 cult classic is the worst kind of garbage. Here's why! / sarahz (alternatively titled: i flub up the word 'adaptation' a bunch of times)
The "lick it up, baby" scene from the original Heathers happened because Veronica refused to hook up with a guy at a party, and Heather Chandler was convinced it was absolutely necessary to stay popular.. and then Veronica puked on her because she was wasted. This entire party scene showed the audience that, while Heather was a mean popular girl, she was only really doing what she did because of the expectations put on her. Earlier in that scene, a guy practically forced her to go down on him, showing us that even she was subject to social pressures, forcing her to conform to all the stereotypes of the "popular girl" role, however much she detested it. The "lick it up, baby" scene in Heathers the musical took place because Veronica refused to be passive- or complict, as the Heathers try to get her to be throughout Candy Store- in the bullying and torment of her best friend, and Heather Chandler takes it personally and essentially tells her that if she won't do this, she is kicked out of the Heathers and will have to go back to being bullied and ostracised. This scene is Veronica's breaking point- the moment she really realises what bad people the Heathers are, and decides to no longer play any part in it. It also implies that Chandler, Duke, and McNamara have had to make sacrifices to stay at the top, but they weren't as strong-willed, or inherently morally good as Veronica (or, they were children and desperately seeked the approval and adoration of their peers). In this adaption's equivalent,, Heather calls out Ram for wearing a racist shirt,, and Veronica is pressed that she called him out? That's literally the opposite of what this scene was created for.
And I've always believe that the "lick it up,baby" was referring to the scene before that, the one with the guy forcing her to go down on him, maybe he said the same thing on different context and that's why it hits Chandler so much, maybe they were going to put that but decide that it was too much or just wanted to keep it simple and blurred
First, that girl can't play Heather Chandler, she just can't. Second, if Heather doesn't die, Veronica doesn't start dating JD. If they don't start dating, there's no murders. If Heather doesn't die, the movie doesn't even exist
Oh, trust me, she starts dating JD in the reboot alright (albeit it's less because of Heather's death but more because she's suddenly a psychopath who's into guys that would make Christian Grey run for the hills- I wish I was joking).
That was essentially the point. This is a masturbatory fantasy for Conservatives to pretend that straight white athletic conventionally attractive people are the real victims of society and that overweight people, people of color and the LGBT community are the real oppressive bullies.
@@whyudoit4009 the "shut up Heather" is meant to represent how Heather Chandler is always putting down Duke. It makes you understand why Heather Duke wants to take Chandlers place as powerful queen after she dies.
Yeah it the whole plot point. 😂 But the idea of Heather (a lil popular bitch who uses everyone to gain popularity ) never dies. Somebody always takes the top spot. That's one of the messages of the original movie.
not to mention that J.D. and even the Heathers were all very complex characters in the original: J.D. had issues bc his mom died, Heather Chandler was being objectified and sexualized which lowered her self-esteem, Ncmara had anxiety and was suicidal and Heather Duke had an eating disorder, as she is seen throwing up her food. Even if they are villains, it still shows that there’s a lot more to people then you think
Daniella de Kok Each Heather had there own color too. The Peathers do wear those colors, but to me it seems less obvious. Which is bad in my opinion since each of the character's color represented their personality (Ex: Chandler is red, red shows power, JD is black, black shows anger, isolation and darkness, Duke is green, green is associated with envy and Duke is envious of HC. Same with some other characters)
She was replaced by another girl (forgot her name), but she was bullied for being poor. Heather C. decided to represent suicide, selling "I am Suicide" labelled shirts at Westerburg. That one girl couldn't afford it, so she took a random plain shirt she had and sharpied those words on. Everyone else were "representing suicide" by wearing the shirt, yet mocked the girl for her pathetic attempts to fit in (by not being able to afford actual stuff). Like Martha, she's driven to a point of hating her own worth (because of how poor she is, and realising everyone else didn't actually give a shit about those suffering). She ends up in a wheelchair, and in episode 7, Heather actually tries befriending her after feeling bad. Episode 5, the two of them get out of school similar to the ending of Movie Heathers - Heather walks by the wheelchaired girl along a corridor.
omg the best reboot plot would be veronicas daughter finding her mothers diary about her confessing to killing people (“my teenager angst bullshit has a body count”)/wanting heather chandler to die n such
I remember seeing this thing on tumblr where it was basically like (I'm probably getting this wrong but you get the idea) "what if there was a Heathers sequel where Veronica's 4 year old daughter starts talking about her imaginary friend who wears a kimono and a red scrunchie and has a blue tongue and Veronica is like oh shit" and that just made me think of that
In the OG heathers you can see that the heathers were still humans, heather chandler being objectified duke with her eating disorder and macknemera being suicidal. In this new one it’s another basic mean girls VS outcasts
...the whole point of the heathers was that the heathers were "perfect" they were white and skinny, and we're desired by all because they were society's definition of perfect at the time, making it more "inclusive" ruins the whole point of them being so unrealistically perfect and popular
ShonColle+ No. Not from our society’s standards. Of course not. A black girl is not considered aesthetic. A poor girl is not considered influential or cool. A lesbian is not considered desirable to half of the school (the boys), except maybe the ones who think they can ‘turn her straight,’ and it would be a stupid fucking tactic to have a minority play the ‘privileged, perfect members of polite society, top of the food chain’ AS BULLIES, because what kind of message would that send? They’re called minorities for a reason. The Heathers are what society deems as the ‘perfect upper class women.’ - Which are straight (possibly bisexual), white, beautiful, feminine, preppy girls with rich parents.
@@kiera6326 "A lesbian is not considered desirable to half of the school (the boys)" I find interesting how lesbians are treated depending on if they're "conventionally attractive or not". If they are, their sexuality is treated as trying to get male attention. If they're not, they're told that they only like women because they're too ugly to find a man. Nuance may apply, but in general this is the most common scenario, sexuality that doesn't exist to appeal to men is treated as deviant.
Riley+ Exactly!! Women are treated almost entirely to do with their sexuality and sex appeal, even if it’s not intentional, and that starts right from teenage-hood. Even Heather Chandler (in the original), who is supposed to be very manipulative and influential and powerful, can only manipulate through sex and sociality. “Everyone wants me as a friend or a fuck.” Heather is the pinnacle of male desire, and the male desire is what girls aspire to be. This is the key to her popularity. And in the end, she has no power, as we see her going down on her knees for the guy at the party. Sex is a powerful weapon, and Heather cares more about her image (how society sees her), than her own comfort, morals and sense of true self. If she didn’t portray the image she did, Heather would have no power in the school. Exactly. Boys like a hot, feminine lesbian until they realise they ain’t gonna get to tap that because she genuinely is not attracted to them. Being bi is fine, because girl on girl action is such an old (hot) fantasy of the straight male. But God forbid he doesn’t get to participate in the threesome, or if she decides she wants to settle down with the chick rather than him. Coming out as ‘lesbian’ wouldn’t hurt Heather’s image really at all- in fact, it might even increase her popularity overnight. More guys would seek after her. She would only lose the popularity until she refused to suck whatever-his-name-was’s dick, and people started to realise that she wasn’t being cute or quirky, but serious. Then it’d be lost overnight.
ShonColle - a lot of the charm of the ORIGINAL story was how it played off its time. Just setting to story to modern day is kind of ruining it. Like, the musical version was a little more modern, but not "lol" kind of modern. The story is supposed to portray a stereotype. It's not only meant to cater to minorities smh
New heathers: Not scared to add gay “Heather” Also New heathers: is scared to kill off the most popular character that so happens to have a big massive change to the original source
like the fact they add a gay "heather" makes no sense to me at all, is that even addressed???? I mean I'm all for the LGBT+ community, but with this source material in that particular roll doesn't work!
@@curedreamfandubz4116 true, and that's fine, and I love how heathers the musical adds upon it. They also add to the plot.. having a gender-swapped Heather on the other hand is completely different.. like gender swap everyone if you're gunna do it, but just to add a random ass gay kid as a Heather is just so jarring.
@@alyskramer5614 Yes, I agree, i'm gay myself and first of all this seems like a classic case of 'LoOk A gAy CharAcTeR wE'Re sO INclUsIvE' and also that Heather is a stereotype, not that gay guys like that are invalid, but I feel like every gay character in the media is that stereotypical guy. I would have loved if Heather Duke was a girl who was still in the closet and how she feels like she has to be straight because of how society works
See your first mistake was assuming you were part of the target audience. The characters don't talk or dress like a real teenager because it's not targeted to real teenagers. It's targeted towards aliens with no concept of how human interactions work. They deserve entertainment too!
Actually they don't talk like actual teenagers because both the original and the series are satires, you see in the originals heather, j d and veronica don't talk like actual teenagers, take the lines 'do you wanna be part of the most powerful clique of the school" said by heather, no teenager says stuff like that, so the problem wasn't with the dialogue.....
@@caseydavis57 true, the creator is untalented, but not going to high school and only experiencing via television and films definitely impacted their writing as well
Chloe Davis I don’t mean to be rude or anything, but I don’t really think you could. He might’ve done an awful job, but he is a professional and I’m assuming you’re not. And you’re both lacking experience so a person who actually went to a mainstream school would do a better job because they know what it’s actually like and have actually been through it.
dear diary, WHYYYYYYY movie: why do they hate me fans: we need to fight back characters: why do i act like such a freak the director: why won’t they like me everyone who was excited for it: why did i hate it me after watching it: i feel like i should cry myself to sleep the movie: somebody like me! somebody fix me! somebody save me! old heathers fans: send me a sign god! give me some hope here! something to live for!
Some other points: They took out the color theory!??? UM??? EXCUSE ME??? I mean, yes, the Heathers did kind of wear their og colors, but it wasn't as obvious as it should have been. Although, considering how the characters were butchered, I suppose their colors wouldn't make sense anymore. Heather C's red as a symbol of power is diluted Heather D's green, a symbol of envy, is rather pointless, considering her complete lack of character in this adaptaion Heather M's yellow, representing fear, makes no sense considering the way she (they?) behave(s) Veronica's blue, for wit and intelligence, doesn't work if she's not being portrayed as...you know...intelligent. JD's black was for deceit, anger/sadness, and lack of innocence, but this JD doesn't have a lot of character anyways.
Re the racist tshirt scene: I can totally imagine them doing something where the popular girls twist some geeky kid's bumbling words to make it sound like they said something racist then threatening to post it online, that would be very Mean Girls and actually quite clever in the way it showed the possibility of social justice language being weaponised. But really, quite aside from the shirt being totes racist, in a universe where having a picture of yourself wearing it posted on twitter would ruin you, why the hell would you choose to wear it to school? It's dumb and makes no sense
I remember kids getting in trouble for wearing stuff to school back in the 2000s, but its definitely ramped up to crazy levels in the last few years due to social media and political divides. Just in the last year, three cases kids have had thousands of people bullying them online for wearing a trump shirt, or a pro wall shirt, or another case where a shirt said "killer" on it, I think the second kid got suspended from school. Anyway, when students take pictures and put these kids online to ridicule, there's people in the camp who think they deserve what they got for wearing those shirts, and there's people in the camp that wearing a shirt shouldn't get you lambasted online that its still bullying, but either way this movie was pretty trendy to go with the whole shirt story where someone is afraid of getting their picture put online for wearing a shirt, but they clearly didn't want to go the full way being currently relevant and opted out of any current day issues, instead going with an issue that a lot of high schools had 7 or 8 years ago, the whole native american mascot debate. If they had gone with an issue of today instead of a few years ago, the movie would have probably been too divisive as you literally can't tackle a current issue as the pepsi commercial shows, both sides will just hate you. Seems like both sides hated this movie anyway, so that minor plot decision was probably made in vain.
@@QuikVidGuy what? where did I say this? I pretty clearly explained both sides, your ignoring half of what I said if that's what you extrapolated from my post.
@@QuikVidGuy not just someone. children. imagine the dumbest things u did and thought as a kid broadcasted to the world via the internet, and those things attached thus attached to u forever - even tho u were at an age when godawful opinions were par for the course and why do kids have these shitty opinions? quite likely, because their parents do. do u really wanna punish a child for simply believing in what they've been indoctrinated into believing? i have a feeling that u do. if that is correct, then please dont reply, i'd really rather not hear u explain urself
One production of heathers the musical's used a plus sized WOC as Veronica. She'd didn't grasp Veronica's awkwardness and made her sassier in the beginning. My problem with it was the portrayal of Martha. Martha is naive, the actress made her stupid.
Oo that would be a great modernization. and that could also lead to some commentary on like gentrification and/or preformative inclusivity. Damn now i really want to see that
tbh like, if they picked a black actress (or other racial minority) to play heather mcnamara because they were the best actress, it would've been fine. the character would still need to come from a privileged background tho and be a terrible human being, but since heather mcnamara is one of the more human heathers and only acts like that bc she wants to survive, her being black would actually be great for her storyline (like, how she is already looked down on by society, but she joins the heathers so everyone sees her in this new spotlight and she starts being more and more ignorant and mean than she actually is). but now they just chose these actors and actresses BECAUSE they're a minority, which completely misses the point of heathers... ugh idk, it's all so confusing
To be honest I think people shpuld strafe away from the constant victimised Minority character type. To make progress means to have change. And I am not saying certain minority groups aren't pushed down, I am well aware that in various places even in some states of america still people of colour are still being given less equal chances. But making POC's constant victims of society in media kinda puts you in a self defeatist pessimistic loop, I think minoirty characters should stop being written like minorities and instead just like any other character, the same reason, same goes for autistic characters.
Annalee Higley yes, except the whole point of the heathers is the fact that the heathers are privledged. making them “minorities” ruins the whole concept.
Well unfortunately, casters, directors, and producers are incapable of picking a non-white or non-straight (or sometimes non male) role without it being part of some cynical plan. This idea that they would think a black female actor just happen to fit and were open "to all races" without it being a thing they were going for originally (probably cynically) is a fantasy. If you really want them to stop being shallow and surface-level, you're going to have to get different sorts of people in those positions of power (and that just is not going to happen )OR if you happen to have a lot of the creatives as gay or black or whatever - but then the company paying the bills will (most of the time, not all - I don't think Queer as Folk has problems with being forced to have straight characters, for example) will mandate some straight or white people to "increase the audience protentional" and then you have minorities picking majorities under similarly shallow setup.
In the West End Heathers (at least when I saw it) Heather Duke was portrayed by a black actress, but it didn't make a difference to how they portrayed her bc she was still a rich popular kid
when he director said "jd is the villain and the heathers aren't skinny white girls" I thought "oh cool so we're supposed to feel bad when they're killed and realise the danger of justifying anger against minorities right?" I was so wrong. SO wrong.
Macaroni and Cliches but JD was always portrayed like the villan in the movie, he's just a complex character with who you can empathize even if you agree that he's totally wrong and need therapy, just like Heathers, they're bitches, but hey they're humans too This remake is just... urgh so disrespectful with the original resource, even the musical (that is not my favorite) is a better adaptation
As a skinny, blonde white kid I want to calm down all the conservatives: We don't need your protection. We are doing fine. Go back to making movies showing a problem that actually exists, cause I don't see people geting shamed over not being fat, white or LGBT in my school anytime soon. I want my privileged, human Heathers back goddamit.
It’s kind of hilarious what adults think “youth culture”/public school is like, as someone that these pieces of media are theoretically representing...? Like, it’s almost comical how TV high schools will super accepting (or *too* accepting, like in this case) and then you go to school and some people’s every other word is a slur. (And I live in a relatively left-leaning/progressive area, too).
hope but why would a movie producer make a remake of a bad or broke movie if there’s not guaranteed money to be made, I do hate modern remakes of old classics but there’s a reason to their madness
Unfortunately, the business of show business is why they do it. But the best remakes are of films that were donr badly the first time or for other reasons are not so watchable now. Red Dragon, a remake of Manhunter, is one of my favorites. The original had a great story (adapted from a great book), but it was completely 80's in all the wrong ways. The remake was not too far below Silence of the Lambs, to which it served as a prequel. I was really glad when they were remaking Planet of the Apes, but they didn't do a good job. Andy Serkis was great, but they lost all the brilliant social commentary of rhe original. I was hoping for them to just fix the massive plotholes caused by the fact that it wasn't planned in advance and the budget kept shrinking with every film, plus use more modern sensibilities and techniques. But that isn't what they did.
God they aren’t even giving them the proper story. It’s Ike giving them the version of heathers that went through a wood chipper and they put it back together poorly with glue
Exactly, it's supposed to be that Veronica gets herself into a series of murders and has to stop JD, but if the first murder doesn't happen the whole thing is ruined.
Why do they talk about corn nuts so much in this adaptation. Sure it’s the last thing Heather Chandler said when she died in the original but it wasn’t super important. It seems like they’re trying to shove it in our faces that “ITS HEATHERS!”
Oh is THAT why they added all the corn nut stuff? I was so confused why there were making a point about that. I forgot that that was what Heather said before she died
Heather Chandler doesn't die but the whole point of heathers was having suicide glorified and turned into something popular kids did. then JD was going to use this as a way to get away with murder by explonding the school and make it look like a massive suicide because he trick the whole school into signing their names on a questionare. did they take out JD's mom suicide and his abusive father too. also Heather Chandler dying was so important because in the end veronica feels guilty and she finally sees JD for the person he truly is after they kill ram and kirt.
Harley Quinn well in the movie jds mom left him in the car and purposely went into the building his dad was blowing up. jd also said his mother looked right at him as the building blew up.
The criticizing callout culture angle could work if the writers were a little smarter about it. The Heathers would still be privileged upper middle class white girls. Heather Chandler is the type of person who uses callout culture as a way to bully because she likes the rush of power it gives her, but she doesn’t really care about the causes she pretends to champion. Maybe she does things like lecture a mixed race student about their white-passing privilege or telling a bisexual student that they should “stay in their lane” when talking about lgbtq issues bc this student is dating someone of the opposite sex at the moment. Meanwhile her activism doesn’t go beyond just bullying others. Heather Macnimera (sp?) is someone who does want to do more genuine activism, but since she follows Chandler and doesn’t rock the boat, she just goes along with it. Heather Duke is a Chandler clone like in the original and is even worse when she becomes the main heather. Veronica is someone who was duped into thinking Chandler was genuine about her causes but by the start of the show is starting to see Chandler’s faux activism for the bullying that it is. Then DJ comes along and she gets taken in by his radical ideas until they turn deadly. The whole message of the show could be about how doing bad things while hiding behind a mask of good intentions isn’t any different than doing bad things for the hell of it.
Dear diary, We shouldve gotten a movie version of the musical with the first musical cast.... Im also writing this on my two copies of my kungfu panda 2 dvd-
So late to this party but i want a reboot where veronica is manipulating jd and is super ok with all the murder, i have it all written out in my head lmao hollywoods hmu
They actually have ten episodes and they do a great job and giving you delicious easteggs all the way through. Every time you see and hear one was really fun
Heather Chandler in this one reminds me of how Martha was mentioned in Candy Store. "If she had your shot, SHE WOULD LEAVE YOU TO ROT!" That this might be what Martha Dunstock would have been in a very very very very very very very very very very vvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyy distant alternate universe where Chandler never existed.
It actually would have made a lot of sense having the woman who played Chandler be Veronica. In the musical I always wondered why Veronica was unpopular because she was just a makeover away from perfection like basically all makeover movies.
@@JasminMiettunen I think the context behind Veronica's and Chandler's relationship in the musical kinda got lost because in the original movie, Veronica was already part of Heathers' clique and was childhood best friends with Chandler. She only got to befriend Martha by the end of the movie. I would understand why they made those choices in the musical stage because directing for that is different and would require them to fit everything in while making it work for the stage production.
invisibleninjandy I wondered why I didn’t remember the scene when I first heard the song Beautiful from the musical! It had been a while since I saw the movie, but I did think something was off, lmao
@@morbidsearchCorrect Veronica was also childhood friends with Betty aswell I believe, but in the musical Betty doesn’t exist and is replaced with Martha Dunnstock, (in the musical some of Betty’s personality traits were given to Martha in the musical version) However in the movie Betty, or better known, Betty Fin and Martha Dunnstock are two different people. In the movie, Betty isn’t as relevant to the plot as Martha though-
We already have a modern Heathers - Mean Girls. It's not as good as OG Heathers imo, but it's still pretty good on its own. This remake is completely irrelevant.
honestly they could have done the "gone-too-far callout culture" angle much better if the characters... were NOT diverse. usually the worst offenders of that kind of behaviour are over-performative allies for whatever cause they're on. maybe if our POV character (also non-diverse) saw that they were hurting people's genuine complaints by over reacting to tiny things and that's why she initially felt somewhat justified going along with JD... then realised that she'd essentially been complicit in the exact same thing but with murder?? Idk it's messy to go with that angle either way, heathers works better as a privileged group who bully those who are different imo
In the original movie and the musical they call Martha Dunstock "Martha Dumptruck" It doesn't make sense to have one of the Heather's overweight when they make fun of another girl for being overweight.
I remember when I was complaining about this series to some friends, I had this idea that it would be absolutely genius if they had the Heathers being like, the "socially acceptable" version of whatever their minority group is. Like, Chandler is fat, but more Meghan Trainor than Mary Lambert, McNamara is light-skinned black with straight hair, and Duke basically stays the same because "yaaas gay queen". Maybe Veronica is a femme lesbian because butches are scary. But like, Martha (who is completely missing from Peathers for some reason?) looks more like she did in the original movie and still gets bullied. Instead of creating a narrative that standing up for minority groups is somehow bad, it instead creates a narrative that society only perceives this as bad when the minority group in discussion isn't threatening or ugly to them. People feel like they're good, but are still racist, fatphobic, transphobic, what have you. And the Heathers themselves don't really care because high school survival instinct dictates that they're basically protected and shouldn't throw that away even at the expense of human decency. They should've hired me.
show idea " the Karens" starring Karen, Karyn, and Kyryyyn... up to zaney heist not vaccinating their kids and posting Despicable Me memes in the year of our lord 2020... lets do this girls!
Also Heather being mean to Ram makes no sense, considering that in the original there are the top boys of the school and on one stand with the heathers and the love interest heather has chosen for them. So there are a clique more than enemies. God this show seems awful!
There's a good way to do a Heathers reboot. I'm not completely against it, Heathers is timeless it's kinda like Shakespeare. It doesn't need to take place in the era it was written in order to work. However there is a way to fuck it up and this reboot it how.
i mean seriously, i recently played egeus in a midsummer night's dream, and it was set in the 1960s. It turned out pretty well, actually. Though of course all we did was changed the costume, props, and set a bit, the script itself wasn't touched.
Based on what I've read of the creators' commentary, I have what I think is a fairly cogent theory as to what their intent may have been. Simply, they wanted to adapt Heathers for its popularity, felt it might not resonate if the social context wasn't updated, then decided to base their update on whatever they could find that seemed to be popular with the 'youth of today.' They lifted social justice culture out of context because they simply pegged it as "what's popular with high school kids nowadays," and so assumed by extension that it would become the natural weapon of the popular over the unpopular. They then dovetailed that with their own perceptions of social justice culture run amok in the larger world and called it a day. Heathers 2018 was created for an imagined, even projected demographic of 'average' modern high-schoolers who were supposedly waiting for cultural emancipation from SJWs. By failing to understand that social justice controversies are separate from the general ebb and flow of purely aesthetic or trite behavioural trends, the creators shot themselves in the foot and alienated every possible target demographic. One doesn't need to hold any particular opinion on the issues this show (mis)handles to see agree that it failed utterly in its goal.
You know what kids in my school actually get made fun of from? -Being weebs. -Harry Potter ships. -I wouldn’t say lgbt because I’ve been open about it from middle school and everyone except my close friends just get super confused and don’t talk to me? Maybe that’s my problem. -showing any signs of mental illness if you’re not super attractive and popular -openly meming -talent because jealousy I think
WHAT.THE.HELL. In my high school (well more precisely gymnasium) everyone is chill and there are many people like this that are open and share their interests to others (like me, I like anime and I'm really good at drawing, I don't see a reason why that should be a problem to other people), not to mention that I live in Croatia, which is viewed as a bad, poor and anti-gay country etc., it's utter bullshit. There is a trans girl who is also gay in our school and everyone is chill about it, she's loved for her unique personality and style. The only difference is that we don't have many people of different race (though they are steadily coming here) so I can't really say how we handle that stuff, but we have a LOT of gypsy people and some asians or africans here or there. Everyone loves to see different people, because we can learn many things from them (unless you're just here to suck out our money for the social minoritys). So I'm sorry that you're in that kind of surronding and I guarantee you that once you'll move to college everything will go for the better.
We have a lot of disgusting group of people in our batch so it's quite normal for each of us to not mind each other's business but sometimes they still make fun of that one kid who is quite and usually eats with the teacher during lunch time. It's quite sad tho
damm, my school just has the noraml, wanting highschool to be over already kids which is 95% of the school and then theirs that 5%, the weird batch of kids that try too hard to be "cool" and funny which we just straight up ignore since
in my school, you only get made fun of: • if you say something stupid • if you do something stupid • if you wear something stupid the only exception is if it's funny. even the popular people get put on blast - they're teased _more,_ even.
I feel like this new Heathers pins J.D. as the typical "how a white dude who leans towards the MRA spectrum on Reddit sees himself" and The Heathers are how they see everyone on Tumblr.
Me watching Heathers Heathers the movie: Omg I love this Heathers the musical: HONEY WHAT YOUR WAITING FOOOOOOR! Heathers the series: I am........... disgusted
Soooo No martha cause cant bully her for being chubby cause chandler is chubby Chandler is mean for the sake of being mean instead of cunning and using people for her own gain not to mention she doesn't even die McNamera(?) isn't suicidal and has anxiety about being dropped off at any second Duke doesn't have an eating disorder and doesn't try to control everything cause chandler doesn't die Veronica isn't as cunning as before or as inconsequent as before, she's basically an extremely dumbed out version of veronica Jd isn't killing from trauma (movie) or from love (musical), just for psycopathy? But cant do that right? Ram isnt a raging douche and is victimized heavily Is Kurt there? Minorities have main roles but they're meant to be evil, which can be taken in a very bad way. But then again, even then who would wanna watch this? I tried to watch it and completely removing and relation it had to Heathers, to see if it got better. Nope. I wouldn't watch it as a reboot, I wouldn't watch it as an original, I wouldn't watch it for the representation, I wouldn't watch it for what it could be What an absolute shitshow.
I feel like the failure of the reboot came from a fundamental misunderstanding of the source material and trying too many things at once. The original Heathers was all about the dangers of blind social conformity, the negative effects of trends, and even idolatry and how to successfully operate within a pecking order (notice that killing Heather C. doesn't actually fix anything, it just makes Heather D. take her place and JD work the system. The right thing to do is stand up to them like Veronica does at the end and remove their power over you). Now, I actually think a call-out/cancel culture angle could've worked very well in a narrative like this, because it deals with negative trends and blind social conformity, but they messed it up by having every single Heather be marginalized in someway. Now, I'm not saying that marginalized people can't be toxic (of course they can, anyone regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. can be toxic/abusive/etc.) but it kind of sends the message that this is what minorities can/will do to gain power over everyone else instead of "this is what shitty people do to gain power". Honestly, I would totally be down for a black Heather Chandler or a lesbian Heather Duke, and they'd still be portrayed every bit as abusive as their 1989 counter parts, but there would need to be far less emphasis on their status as a minority than what was put in here. Their race or sexual orientation would just be another fact about them like their eye color or whatever. Honestly, I don't think they were trying to be conservative or liberal here, they were just trying to throw a bunch of trends at the wall and see what stuck (ironically, showing the negative effects of social trends). Then there's just the whole hot mess of Heather C. not even actually dying. I honestly don't understand how you have Heathers without Heather C. kicking the bucket, it's what sets the whole plot in motion and makes a statement on the whole "blind social conformity is not good" because people just start offing themselves for clout and because the queen bee did it. It also ruins the point that killing a dictator just makes another take their place. What you actually have to do is kill the system or at least its power over you. Phew, that was a lot longer than I intended, but as a big fan of the original 'Heathers', I needed to get it off my chest.
It looks to me like with the heathers themselves they’re really just trying to say “LUBRULS BAD!! Look at LIBRUL BULLY QUEERS! Ones even MAN LADY!!!!!!” It kind of ridiculous.
thats not really that much of an indictment as it was back in the day, seeing as there's so much entertaining, faithful, creative fan content being made while the official continuation of a series sucks
@@louschwick7301 honestly i've even seen good fan works for pieces of media that are good already. My favorite example is the works of nekomotherfuker on wattpad, her MCU fanfiction is genuinely amazing considering it falls under the "X Reader" genre.
The biggest issue I noticed from the start was how they were trying to bring it into the modern social environment. For me, Heathers is all about the 80s suburban feel. It's the extremely conservative and uncaring vibe (which might not really fly well in current media anyways) that pulled me in from the start. Now, sure, you maybe could create a Heathers movie or series in the modern day that's engaging and handles its characters well, but the very blatant "popular alpha bitch" trope is what had me hooked. She wasn't popular because of a body positive gimmick; she just had the money and looks and just WAS popular.
I think that's why the musical works so well too. It's only a few years old but it kept the period and simply updated a few details to make things a little more relevant for today. Heathers only exists because of the brat pack films and I think it would be incredibly difficult to make any semblance of a coherent adaptation in another time.
And do high schools even work like that anymore? Can we move on from Mean Girls wannabes please? High schools cannot be so boring that we are working off tropes which are decades old.
I think that making the Heathers minorities could have been a great idea if they had used their being different as a chance to explore the reasons why they became bullies in the first place (after all, both in the movie and the musicals there are many moments in which we are able to see their insecurities and personal issues) instead of going for this ridiculously forced "SJW" plot. It's a wasted opportunity in my opinion. As you said, a horrible person is still a human being and their actions always have, if not a justification, at least an explanation behind them. Exploring that would've made this show much more interesting and believable.
Cali Lovett it doesn’t even make sense. making the antagonists the only diverse characters? “oh no! us straight, white, cis people are so attacked by other people” it doesn’t make sense.
I could buy the Heathers being minorities as long as their still young, attractive, privileged, and shallow. I could buy Heather D being asian and Heather M being black but making Heather C fat is a tall order.
Actually Heather is an assigned male at birth genderqueer person.The other heather is a biracial lesbian and the other heather is a white girl who is plus sized hope this clears things up for you.
I have many issues with the reboot. The biggest one being the fact that it's modern day. The thing that makes the movie and musical amazing is the late 80's feel to it, with scrunchies and *literally everything* this takes away that amazing charm it has. Also the fact that they have both a gay Heather Duke and a not skinny Chandler is kinda infuriating. Like, I support that, and think it shouldn't be shamed. But with Heathers, I just doesn't work. The whole point of them is that they're perfect, beautiful girls. I also hate the way they show off that they're rich. Like in the movie and musical, it was nice and subtle. But with this they have fur coats and like, a million rings. It is really pissing me off.
When I originally heard that there was going to be a Heathers' tv show, I thought it would be following their children for some reason. Something along the lines of Duke's child learning their mother was a vicious bully, McNamara's learning that their mom dealt with the same kind of crippling social anxiety they did, and Martha's child learning why their mother isn't so keen on spending time with people from her time in Westerburg. Most of all, Veronica's child accidentally discovering the fact that their mom killed three people (and maybe a question as to who their father really is...). Needless to say, I was stoked. Then the trailer hit. I knew immediately that this story I had imagined was only in the fandom and not hte board room. Showed my roommate who also loves Heathers the same trailer and she just kept repeating "What?" Based on your review, we really have no need to see it. Thanks for the public service, Sarah.
"Blah blah blah. Look. Despite the box we checked on our college applications. My dear. We still end up worm food in that" (blah blah blah). Like seriously, he literally used periods instead of commas. What is up with that?
Evan Peters should be the only actor that can legally be casted as an emotionally damaged and destructive high school delinquent from now on until his retirement. That’s it! Nobody else can do the job. Only Evan Peters even when he’s old and qualifies for AARP.
