Everything WRONG With The Energy / Heavy Weapons In Starfield 

Why not doesnt everyone like honkay star rail, or is that just me😅

Cant wait until we get to the gun that deals wind damage

dont laugh at boxy hadles, they can be good

Everything wrong with melee weapons? Idk I haven't played much

No, I don't think I will.

I am betting they originally had no recoil, but Todd pointed to the laser guns and said "shooty thing need go bounce bounce with 16x the detail"

It's for game feel I suppose?

Actually in Fallout Cannon they add speakers and kickback. It so soldiers don't need extra training to use the laser weapons. It also helps to know when one is being used.

Even ignoring that fact, laser weapons really wouldn't be better in space, because every missed shot potentially means you can hit something or someone you didn't mean to hit, since lasers in a vacuum will keep going until they hit something

​@@ericlamb4501while you are right that they go on a laser has a focal point wich is the point of highest damage after that it becomes less and less effective. Modern lasers can refocus while firing like when you move a magnifier glass up and down to burn something better. And funnily enought the closer a target is to a laser the faster it becomes weaker if it misses.

It's actually a huge issue with modern laser mining, water has a significantly higher heat capacity than most minerals, so water (and by extension fleshy creatures that're mostly water) are much harder to cut apart. Also, space rocks don't wear armour.

@@triplecastsleep1924 I think you're trying to say lasers can't be used underwater as easily, I somehow doubt theres companies struggling to cut apart water.

​@@slyseal2091 he is saying that flesh of animals and humans can't be cut that easily since we are mostly water

@@tovar-alcoholic He is saying as much too, but his analogy of the usage of lasers against water doesn't make sense. I presume this mistake slid in because the parenthesised sentence acts as part of the structure of his words. Without it, he says: "Water has a significantly higher heat capacity than most minerals, so water is much harder to cut apart."

@@slyseal2091 Yeah, bad phrasing, lasers work by vaporising the matter they're targeting, and rock is easier to vaporise than water. A man is harder to kill with a laser than an equivalent structure made of rock.

Holy crap you're right

saw this and the noticed that when hes rotating the 3d model of the gun theres an 8 and a couple other things being displayed on the white hunk too @12:35

On 13:14 you can see the ammo counter. Probably Z-Clipping issue.

Big bang design make my think of a Warframe gun (don't ask what type because I haven't played it a long time but I know it's corpus)

no thats just a glitch, i used big bang weapons religiously in the game for a few hours and know it has a counter

Lol

Based

some things about fallout 4 cant be fixed fundamentally even this many years later so I wouldnt get my hopes up for this

Awww man. I really wanted my deathstar mod :(

"Me waiting 2 years so I can commit theft on a game they worked hard on"

True, and interesting

@@MaticTheProto ah yes says the protogen

@@aubreyjarvis4759proots are not technically ai as they have organic brains 🤓👆

​@@MaticTheProtoTrue? Yes. Interesting? Probably not.

It's the ultimate statement of "incredibly mediocre"

Reminds me of Warhammer 40k. Space Marine armor was actually mining equipment back before the Age of Strife. Actually, I kind of like that idea in general. An advanced civilization that regresses technologically to the point that the most advanced weaponry anyone can remember how to make is mining equipment.

We have a big CNC laser cutter at my work and that thing cuts steel up to an inch thick like a hot knife cuts butter.

And despite it being able to saw through and obliterate solid stone/sci-fi minerals, it can't hurt squishy meat beings.

@@raynmanshorts9275and iirc Terminator armor is equipment for maintaining plasma reactors - while they’re still active

Take your tools to fight for your freedom, comrad!

Is it just me, or is the metal storm a modern hawacha.

And the big glas dome to keep the vacuum in

@@fireworkstarter The glass is heavily leaded, like the windows in a radiotherapy clinic or near a CT scanner.

who's idea was it to make an engine powered laser that vibrates and can't cut straight? It's supposed to be a laser cutter, it should be laser accurate 😭

@@Orinslayer probably has a big ass heavy fan to cool the laser.

​@@Orinslayerhave you ever heard of game balance?

@@brisingrprotogen1739 no, what is that? also is starfield a competitive moba? a tactical squad based mmo? No? How odd! Go away

I mean, the dude is just as bad at critique so they are a good match.

"He was walking through my firing line, so I didn't technically kill him."

“But you swung your aim around!” “That was the recoil.”

@@zyriantel9601 "plus in my defense he came at me."

Same here, It caught me so off guard I couldn't breathe for a little bit

They don't care anymore lol

I’d say it looks more like the manticore.

But it wouldn't be shaped like an air cooler heatsink. Parallel fins close to each other would mostly be radiating into their neighboring fins which is pointless.

@@bobson_dugnutt Yeah, I already addressed the fact that the design sucks. I was pointing out that radiators in space are not a dumb idea in principle.

​​@@chekovsgunmanradiator in space will work....but very poorly 😂 lol...gonna take years to cool it down with just "light" But it does give a new meaning for the word "radiator" lol

Perhaps that's why the slide slides 🤔 Don't have to take time to let it cool if the heat from each individually shot can vent immediately after said shot, right? I joke, of course. Truly terrible design.

Yeah, except they'd fucking melt before getting the chance to work at all. Condensers are a far more logical solution, aka, like the mass effect 'cartridges' you throw out, basically jam all the heat into a small object and eject that instead... Because even in air, the heat from a single firearm magazine takes minutes to cool, do a couple mag dumps and it'll take TENS of minutes! In space though, even with amazing radiators, you're looking HOURS to cool from a couple magazines! So anything that generates a lot of heat in itself is out of the competition to begin with. High tech solutions are stuff that won't make heat, or condense it like in mass effect (or well, just the mechanics of how it looks and could work), low tech would be stuff like the gyrojet that accelerates as it goes and doesn't heat up the gun as much as the gasses escape and keep their temperature in them, maybe air guns, etc.

Real shit? Which perks would one need to be able to use the Cutter as an effective main weapon?

@@prometheusproton3886 The final level of the laser perk gives all laser weapons a chance to ignite enemies. Since this thing has a fast fire rate, burn procs can stack, and burn does a percentage of health as damage, you figure out the rest.

I don't think I'll ever play this game again, but if I do I'm doing a laser cutter only run

@@Sp4rt4nSl4ya Since the burn proc is all percentage based, the TTK is roughly the same whether it's a level 1 pirate or a level 100 terrormorph. Means it's usually faster to use something else against lowbies.

There are also magazines that you can find that give you increased toolgrip weapon damage with maybe 5% or something, and I don't know if there's a max amount of magazines that you can find since I've found multiple examples of the same magazine number 🤔

Appreciated for the fact of the day

The beams clearly don't diverge, though. It would have been awesome if they did, but that would require effort, so they didn't do it.

@@mersenniusprimeIf we’re being realistic, you shouldn’t see the beams at all unless you’re firing through some substance that refracts enough of that light to deflect it to your eyes

Thank you for your comment. The idea that lasers are somehow beams of death is so stupid. Outside their focal point the best they can do is blind people. That's the whole point as to why we are not running around with killer lasers. Among many other things, of course.

​@@gunpowdertimothy5644Very powerful lasers can be seen in atmosphere. Technically, we shouldn't be able to see it in space, and on planets with denser atmospheres, the laser should be very pronounced.

honestly, that's my favorite part of it. it's a fantastic attention to detail that's missing in a lot of the other weapons ( and ... also itself, considering the magazine size ), and it actually makes it feel like you're firing a handheld metal storm, rather than a basic machine gun with some nonsensical swiss cheese magazine it's also a perfect illustration of why a "handheld metal storm" is a completely impractical firearm, but hey! it still makes for a really cool concept for a _brutal_ short range crowd control weapon ... if, y'know, its damage was brutal and could actually control a crowd

It seems deliberate, if you look closely? They are smart weapons. Each barrel has its own laser indicator and knows when a target is lined up, with the gun only firing those aligned with a victim. It makes them terrifying because you barely need to aim, if any barrel is lined up to hit then it will fire that one.

They align normally in first person. Guess it's just another example of the first and third person aspects of it being done by completely different non-communicating teams. Starborn Todd Howard probably sourced the same dev team from different universes, made them make them a bunch of different parts from the game completely separate from eachother and just blindly merged the final product. Bravo, Bethesda!

​@@patrickheslip7420why make it like that tho? Seeing as the single be bullets arent that strong why make it spread? ... I guess fro supression ia good... But making it ajustable would make it more useful and cool ... But its bethesda...

I don't think they micro-aligned each barrel by hand. It's easily automatable right from 3dsmax (or whatever software they use)

Classic Bethesda

my god this was so annoying. you basically lose all your damage by having the gun be full auto. I dont think I used a single full auto gun my whole 80 hour playthrough because changing it to semi auto gives like 50 damage extra, and you can control it better, and fire faster. So lame. terrible game design.

It's not just annoying,it also harms your fingers.

​@@naamadossantossilva4736eh, I wouldn't go that far.

Nerf full auto "for balance" but you an shoot faster in semi auto. Once again bethesda has no understanding of their own game mechanics.

could also be rotating lenses within to prevent them from overheating as much as possible and warping, weakening the laser

The Russians use a massive laser that uses compressed gases. So definitely yeah, if it was ejecting something like energy cells it would make sense.

I'm pretty sure this is how the laser minigun from fallout works.

Why go so overboard with an explanation when you can just say "It just works."

@@toastergaming7783 because fallout 76.

yes but that wouldn't make the haters happy, things have to seem worse than they are for the views

Gotta love nonsensical slides and bolts on sci fi guns.

Gluons are sub-sub-sub-atomic particles, holding quarks together. They mediate the strong force in the same way that photons mediate the electromagnetic force, so if LASERs are light guns, the gluon gun would be a Strong Gun! :D

​@@TlalocTemporal🤓

Yo link me that video fam

@@pusheendalimitsofgeneva5816 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tybKnGZRwcU.html It's the third proposal they have for a weapon for an interstellar war

@@TlalocTemporal Did they really call them "gluons"? xD

Anatoli Bugorski, right?

@@gwenturo9550 yep!

He didn't die, it went right through him and only caused some damage. The beam only started to lose coherence after it got through and so most of the energy was dumped behind him instead of inside him.

@@starburst98 Yeah he's still alive lol what a boss. He got hit in the back of the head though so most of the energy got deposited probably into the instrument he was kneeling down in front of

@@gwenturo9550 And because of him, you have a 100% chance to survive.

I was thinking exactly the same thing, lol.

Now that you say that can see how it looks like one

That's it! I knew I'd seen that gun before.

Looks like a hybrid of the SMG designs of 2 and 3

nah it's a clothing iron made from Alien metals. It's got 2 unknown memory slots and a CD slot out front. FML

Radiating heat is just about the only way to get rid of it in a vacuum since you don't have an atmosphere to conduct it into. You could also purge the atmosphere inside the ship while decompressing new air from a storage tank.

space radiators don't look like atmospheric radiators though

For real radiators, that radiate. But most "radiators" are actually convectors.

but were does the heat goes? they need to be exposed to radiate the energy in space or have ventilation on a atmosphere

i was thinking this was more of a factor in the laser weapons in starfield, more like some sci-fi esque "photon-charged" particle accelerators, or like mass effect's mass effect fields

I was thinking they'd be more like the beam weapons from the Mobile Suit Gundam series. they pretty much just fire superheated particles that vaporize materials on contact. I'd definitely recommend looking at the Gundam wiki under "List of Universal Century Weapons" for a more in depth explanation they're definitely the most realistic particle weapons I've seen in any media

@@MECHA_DI Particle beam weapons, then?

​@@Maria_Eriaspretty much.

@@Maria_Erias Yeap there literally called Minovsky Particle Beam Weapons. Minovsky Particles being the Sci-Fi super science in gundam that is the Waste from Minovsky Nuclear Fission Reactors

I burst out laughing at how absolutely unhinged that assassination was! Came outta nowhere, "Hey sir can you stop flagging- OH GOD MY FACE!"

the intrussive thoughts won, but lets be honest he had it coming

I mean, a gun that used a laser would work by transferring energy to the target and heating it up, so a short burst probably wouldn't deal significant damage, and you'd get more damage for the amount of energy spent with a continuous beam rather than discrete bursts. Every space between bursts is time for the target to cool down. Now, given this is space magic and lasers look like plasma in this game... who knows lol Plus this is Bethesda, whose games include individual body part explosions and removals. The overkill of cutting your enemy in half with a laser would be very fitting!

​@@marinary1326-- There are pulsed lasers, which can use much higher energy beams while also not melting instantly. Not only could that could be useful for overcoming armour with a large thermal mass, but the rapid changes might cause fractures in solid armour, giving them an edge against what should be the best defense. You can't be expected to maintain your aim on a single point anyway, so a pulsed laser can get more heat in a smaller area than a continuous laser mildly heating a squiggly line like a toddler with a crayon.

@@TlalocTemporal I mean, I don't see how the pulsed laser negates aiming issues (a toddler drawing a line with a crayon vs a toddler drawing dots with a crayon?) But I do like the concept of the temperature changing up and down causing stress fractures in armor. Picturing something like pouring cold water on a hot glass dish, catastrophic failure indeed

Yet the recoil and inaccuracy still kill the whole concept, like Bethesda went out of their way on some weapons to intentionally make them awful. Like, there's a difference between not knowing guns, and then there's being ignorant and refusing to look into it

@@marinary1326 Better yet: If you make the point they hit small, and the pulses intense enough, they can turn the surface they hit into plasma or vapor, causing a small detonation that tears apart surrounding tissue and material. For example, just 200 joules, the energy in a firecracker, focused down to a milimeter sized spot and applied almost instantly is enough to raise the temperature of human tissue to 5 times that required to turn it into exploding plasma. Make each "shot" consist of 50 or so such microsecond pulses, and you essentially drill through a target via explosions.

Not to mention that it would go straight through the target, giving them a dose of radiation to kill them days later instead of instantly

considering it’s a world where gravity only affects how high you can jump, temperature is just a number and pressure doesn’t exist… I’m not surprised

Is that true?

@@seronymus yeah, if you want a technical rundown look up "Cherenkov radiation"

I cant fault them for taking them if its a benign one like a mobile game

Pulsed lasers are generally a lot more powerful than continuous ones too. Something about capacitors

​@@BlooCollaGal Something about tearing the matter apart. The pulse laser basically gives the material time to react violently and break apart instead of melting or burning.

@@dr.cheeze5382 Basically, a continous beam laser occludes itself with the vapor it creates. You can get away with a short pulse (tiny fractions of a second) though. On the other hand, a 'slow pulse', capacitor fed weapon is also somewhat plausible and looks cool.

Cooling is also an issue. That much current moving around generates a lot of heat.

@@BlooCollaGal Conventional firearms generate a lot of heat too, but conveniently are able to eject most of it as ballast...

@@basedeltazero714 are revolvers a joke to you? Lol

Forgotten Weapons made videos on the Coilgun and Anvil that work similar to that.

There are videos of experimental energy weapons being used... they have a maximum range of 1 meter and weigh as much as a light tank...

That would be a pretty cool reason to purposely limit the speed of a laser beam, but that's literally not possible unless you want to be shooting through a 30 foot crystal with your target very kindly holding the opposite end.

Look up Osteo Striga for a Destiny comparison. Lol

Definitely Destiny, in particular.

It is literally a Hyperion SMG from Borderlands 2, TPS, or 3. Osteoporosis isn't quite as angular.

​@@jacobkern2060It looks like Hyperion's take on Osteoporosis, my favorite venomous(?) SMG

LOL i didn't even think about that. More reason as to why it should be deleted then

@@ItsYaBoyBrandyBoy Seriously, Bethesda should watch your videos IN DETAIL, and just redesign these guns in an update, as much as i love the particle and rail guns, you're not wrong, as much as i love the guns of Starfield, they could use a redesign, almost if not all of them could use a redesign.

​@@TheChesherthat would entail them giving a shit tho

yea that was my thought too coilguns use magnetic compression to fire the shot, so them moving like that lines up well

no they don't. so no that doesn't.@@Anubis1101 they use turning electromagnetic coils on and off in proper sequence to accelerate a projector floating down their centers. moving those coils would probably seriously fuck that process up. even if they did use magnetic compression, it wouldn't work that way either.

​@@korblborpbro i once made a makeshift gauss gun using a broken pen and a ring-shaped magnet. im familiar. turning them off and on is just the most efficient way to build them since it avoids wasted energy. and i think we can all agree from other entries in the video that efficiency was not at the top of bethesda's design priorities.

Alternatively, just using it like the low-capacity rifle it is and going for headshots with it. Really, its only weakness among EM weapons is that it can't be suppressed (it also can't take a decent scope, but it's not the only EM-capable weapon with that limitation); but if that's taken into account and shots are selected carefully, it's an amazing weapon for sneaky stealth characters due to its utterly insane damage even without charging. Uncharged, it'll drop virtually any unaware enemy in a single headshot; fully charged, it'll reliably drop even the angriest and best equipped Crimson Fleet loony in two or three shots.

Same thing applies to the mag sniper. Learning this about it can easily turn it into the most devastating one hit one kill weapon that can down a terrormorph with one headshot. This requires you find the proper legendary rolls on an advanced quality weapon, namely shattering: which bypasses the armor values of an enemy.

If we ever have weaponized particle accelerators one of their key uses (for certain kinds of particle accelerators anyway) would be against heavily armored targets where they could be used to very quickly give everyone inside the target cancer, while doing fairly miniscule damage to the target itself.

So did you. But yeah, even though very few people will be giving these things a close look, they should probably do more spell-checks on this stuff to be safe

@@maxwellrobertson4831 :O (rapidly contemplates life choices)

G11 did it back during the ACR program too, except it could drop three rounds downrange before you felt the recoil.

@@spookmeyer970 But when you felt it, oh boy.

What about the smoke grenade launcher from Terminator 2? That thing has an even sillier drum mag

its also standard practice for folks using the m32 to carry extra loaded cylinders for quick loads during active engagements

@@neoqueto This thing is actually a real smoke launcher known as Hawk MM1. And it's actually the LESS silly smoke launcher than the original Manville 25mm projectile launcher.

Yeah. Makes the overly complex designs even more nonsensical

The Solstice instantly reminded me of the galvo laser we have at work. Shit once gave me a scar I have to this day.

What the heck Railguns don't normally have moving parts do they

​@@manender1020-- The magsniper is totally a coilgun. You can see the coils recoiling along the "barrel".

@@TlalocTemporal coilguns don't have moving parts as well

@@manender1020 -- Not normally, no, but this one looks like it's allowing the coils to move as a part of recoil suppression, like the 3-round-burst clockwork rifle. That amount of movement is probably reducing muzzle velocity by a significant percentage, but that's a good trade for not loosing an arm. Perhaps simply turning down the energy would yield similar results without being so fragile, but maybe this is simply a vehicle-mounted system in a portable package, and the recoild suppression armature is the cheap part?

@@TlalocTemporal "losing an arm"

The fuck is ‘gonked out chumbas’ supposed to mean ??????????????

@@El_Negro2003 Cyberpunk 2077 slang.

Railguns Gauss rifles use coils

I think you might have meant the Orion instead of the Equinox for the barrels, that would also be pretty similar to what Cyberpunk did with the M-179 Achilles.

@@vidmastereon Conflating coilguns with railguns is common enough that I think we can give Bethesda a pass there(not that it helps them much).

Nerdbit also did a video where he only used the Cutter and it was far more effective than he had originally thought

literally one of the best laser guns in gaming, and its a mod lol

Im literally doing that as we speak Edit i do infact have permission from the creator to do so for personal use

@@ItsYaBoyBrandyBoy One of the best? It's literally just an AR 15. It doesn't even have the slightest change in design - just an M16 that fires lasers instead of bullets. I'm hard pressed to think of a more boring laser design in fiction.

@@cormacoregan471 Don't fix what's not broken.

@@WTFisTingispingis I wanna see a laser/plasma AK now

I don't get why people keep saying this, space is freezing cold and would effortlessly and perpetually keep a gun cold as ice unless is was internally pressurized. There is no need to cool a weapon in space. Space is not a true vacuum so heat dissipation is instant. You don't stay warm in open space because there isn't any atmosphere, who told people this shit?

​@@RU-vidExecsTouchChildren you could ask the thermosflask for how good and fast the vacuum as an medium to dissipate heat 👍

Well you wear a helmet anyway

It has a WHAT?!

Starfield feels like a game that has no tutorials... Not because the developers don't want to hold your hand, but because the writers and level designers have no understanding of how any of the game's mechanics work.

I somehow did not know that or how the secondary on the cutter worked.

Same with the mag sniper, but it's barely a sniper at that point with all the fucking wobbling

I did not know that, but damage increasing mods did the job for me, sometimes I one shot enemies, sometimes they needed 2-3 shots, but not that bad.

RU-vid commenter here: It's Bethesda, they had underqualified kids designing all this, look at the lawgiver. They don't know how things work, they just google, combine images, and model it. I wouldn't bring your skills to the table here. that's like sitting down at a kids' birthday party table and saying "Greetings, thank you all for coming. Heart surgeon here: did you know..." 🗣 🤡🤡🤡🤡

But you'd need a huge power source and barrel replacements.

@@GeorgeMonet I wonder if by 24th century, maybe someone would have figured out how to make a battery with 30 times the specific energy of current Li-ion batteries. But even if we give Starfield the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the energy storage, the heat problem still persist.

Or just given both of them a stun mod and a lethal mod.

@@RorikH pistol has a stun mod, and a warcrime mod

@@skitariiranger4346 Yeah, I never quite got what the annihilator rounds were supposed to do, especially since the normal rounds already leave behind a DOT effect.

honestly they shouldve done the Borderlands and Outer Worlds thing and had thematic weapon manufacturers, and included a cheap disposable one just for things like the Solstice

Generally I think "particle beam" refers to things like a neutron laser -- which would act more like an optical laser (as the name suggests) than a ballistic weapon.

fair point. however, i want constant beam so i can go bbbzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

To be fair, even for a pulse laser, the pulse rate would be FAR above what a human eye can discern, so it would probably look like a continuous beam. You can look at any number of lasers, including ultrashort pulse industrial ones, and you don't... Actually see them strobe. The simplest ones are tattoo removal ones or laser cleaners, as both use pulsed rather than continuous beam, and they still look like a single beam if sustained.

Honestly imagine if starfield had actually gone with the wide variety of different energy weapons, all appropriately lined up to actual physics to a degree. Laser beam guns that have a constant beam that you need to fix onto a target. The flash strobing pulse laser that acts as a kind of energy automatic death machine, with slower pulse masers and grasers filling in the more typical role laser weapons fill, with plasma blasters and partical accelerator guns and beams rounding out the various weapons. A wide and varied arsenal that is fun to fight with or face.

​@@jonathanphillips3052One can dream... of modders. One day.

​@@EgorKaskader the CNC laser cutter at my work pulses at about 4,000 hertz -- which is way more than enough to look like a continuous beam.

You can use it forever. It's the best weapon in dps in high difficulties because of the burn interaction😂

@@Mr0901 I also like that for tough enemies you can combine it with Sunless Space to set them on fire while they're frozen.

The only sprinkle of realism

that rivet gun is probably the most accurate looking weapon in the game. especially with how inaccurate it would be at range