Very informative! Plastic gets a bad rap, but what an amazing product. Imagine what would happen if all the plastic in the world quit being plastic for one hour? Literally, everything would stop working. Everything.
The Latitude 64 family seems like an amazing group of humans! Thank you for introducing so many of them to us, Jonathan! As usual, this was another great video!
I started playing a couple of years ago but was often frustrated and got lost down the internet/ You Tube instructional rabbit hole. I picked it back up recently and also discovered Jonathan and Latitude 64's videos. These videos are just awesome. I love the sense of humor, the 'down to Earth-ness' (?!?), and great attitude everyone has. I used to get really frustrated with myself but after watching the Latitude videos, I'm having way more fun and not taking things so seriously. I really learned a lot from the instructional videos and it has dramatically improved my playing. I've also really enjoyed watching Jonathan's journey and watching him struggle with the same things I do/did makes me feel like I'm not alone. I've picked up a bunch of Latitude discs and am really enjoying them. Yesterday I bought a Gold Ice Fuse =) and today I made a 118 foot Birdie with it...what an awesome disc! I will be buying MOAR FUSE!!
That was cool! Tomas answering my question with a simple "No." I definitely agree with durability because as a beginner, it takes me a little to learn a new disc. Once I learn it, I'd like it to remain consistent or else start from scratch again. Thanks dudes, you guys rock!
8:25 MVP/Axiom Discs DOES actually have slightly different flight numbers depending on the plastic. Electron Envy -> 3,3,-1,2. Plasma Envy -> 3,3,0,2. In my opinion, this is a true representation of their flight characteristics. My Origio Burst Westside Underworld flips more understable than my Tournament X Underworld, and that's why I have both but they both say 7,6,-3,1. Even though the Tournament X is more like 7,6,-1,1 to me. I'm okay with different numbers for different plastics.
Cept then there's what happened with the Fission plastic. I have two otherwise identical Elaine King Fission Photons (same weight, same color), cept one is older "V1" Fission plastic and the other "V2". V1 was soft and grippy from day 1, and only mildly overstable. One of my favorite forehands discs. But V2 is very stiff and hard, and is the 2nd most overstable disc in my bag behind a full weight Nuke. I use it against a 20+mph headwind, as a thumber and ridiculous forced flex shots, and no matter how hard I beat on it, it remains severely overstable. Of course the flight numbers are the same. I've heard there is now a V3 Fission plastic that might be somewhere in between, but I don't know if it's been used on this disc yet.
Pre-Jonathan the #1 reason I love Lat64 is consistency. Buy a disc it flies like it's numbers, buy the same and it more often than not flies the same. But, we need Lat64 to create a standardized robot disc throwing arm! It can throw every single disc as it's made, analyze the flight, and give it specific flight numbers. And of course then we get to watch a video of Jonathan vs the Robot!
@@leevi7935 MVP releases an Envy in Electron plastic and has it as a 3,3,-1,2 but in neutron it's a 3,3,0,2. This way I know out of the box my Electron will throw like a beat in Neutron
@@leevi7935I was confused a bit when reading his comment but I agree with that different flight ratings should be used for the same mould depending on the plastic, like MVP does.
Yeah like the -2 glow insanity and -2 glow lift that are solidly stable to overstable, yeah, MVP tried reeeal hard to have accurate numbers. They're not much better than anyone else.
The question I really "need" answered is what people are looking for when they are bending or popping (the dome) a disc they are throwing for the first time.
@@MaximilianBerkmann I've loved the Pure in Opto-X except that I can't throw it in the winter since it gets rock solid and sounds that it makes when hitting trees terrifies me
@@1andonlyMiro For sure, that's where having softer versions (like Zero Hybrid or Medium) comes in handy. I have Pures in various plastics (the only ones I don't have are Zero Hard and Retro) and when it gets too cold, I mostly use the Zero Soft and Megasoft more.
I was wondering why the River had a glide rating of 7! I thought it was because the guy assigning the numbers was drunk or something. But it was just confusion! Thanks for clearing that up. Now I know.
I disagree. If you establish flight numbers for a certain mold and plastic, and that same mold with different plastic acts more stable or under stable, I would very much appreciate changing the flight numbers for that plastic so that I know what to expect from it.
Would luv to have the orange river to match my orange fuse cant git any in my area been a fan since the beginning been playing 1yr and 4 months and I play tournaments and wouldn't trust anything but my latitude babies
Tips for future videos: 1. More in the bag like the one with Kristin. Jonathan/Johannes should go out with the team and do in the bag with all(many) of them. 2. Go more in depth with the Latitude team on the tour. Practice rounds and more about the players. Behind the scene so to say. Important: Just keep the style of your videos of the fun and familiar. Thank you for all the great content!
Always great guys... has anyone ever thought about a findable disc, some sort of legal play disc with a find feature maybe in tandem with a smart phone. Some of my favorite discs are in the woods in Florida or lake at Winthrop. I know they make floaters for real water hazard areas, so why can't something like an apple tag be molded into a disc to help find discs in the woods? By the way I love -- always love the great sense of humor you all have :)
Cant really say because we live in Sweden I probably have it hotter down here it’s a 12 hour drive up to Skellefteå but definitely not as big difference to like Florida
I agree that different flight ratings could become overwhelming, but at the same time there’s no way a Retro disc should have the same flight rating as the same mold in Opto Gold! I think it would be overwhelming for the manufacturers, but helpful for buyers.
disagree with retro not being durable. I beat the piss out of my saint on a regular basis, havent had anything a disc doctor and some 800 grit sandpaper couldnt fix ;). give yourselves more credit, your affordable plastics suit beginners very well
Why not make your most popular disc in medical grade plastics ? You'll never now how many will buy this ridiculous expensive disc. Imagine the fear of seing it fade into a lake!
I love that Tomas is seemingly annoyed, right up until he gets to talk about disc golf, where he clearly becomes super passionate. I also really appreciate the honesty of his statements--although I think many of us watching knew what he said to be true. What I know about plastic is that I was given an orange Opto Explorer as a gift in 2020. It's my favorite disc, probably something like 70% of my non-putting throws. But I refuse to throw it if I might lose it because I can't find another. Put orange Opto Explorers in production!!!
Now you have to take the personal plane from Tomas and visit all the countries. All the fans all other the world are waiting for your hugs. So when you make a stop in Hamburg, Germany please write me a message. I want to get my hug then. 😂 And we could play a Fuse-only-round at Volkspark Discgolf course. 😉
As a beginner, i find it way more difficult to not have the numbers change when the flight changes due to the plastic. I absolutely have no idea if a yellow opto maul is more or less stable than a red retroburst river.
I could listen to Tomas talk about plastic for hours! Is there any chance you're going to make the Royal putters in the Grand plastic for more durable throwing vs the Sense?
I think manufacturers should change the flight number if the plastic affects the flight significantly :) Sort of a stamp of quality knowing what you are doing/producing IMO. Also a nice service to provide.
Maybe they still do, idk, but Innova at least for a set time on some moulds did. They had their Champion line listed with 1 more turn (towards stable). I'm assuming because durability plastics are so slick they can't move the air around as much when spinning.
@@Sobo272 The numbers change because of how the plastic shrinks as it cools. Innova's plastics as an example end up with champion being about 1.5 turn more stable than a softer plastic like XT or gstar because the parting line is ~2mm higher/lower after it cools.
@@youropionmattersnot yeah, cool flippant story bro, but if someone doesn't want to spend thousands on discs they need flight numbers across discs to have a somewhat consistent correlation to each other.
I would love to see some test runs of the medical grade plastic just to see if there's any appreciable difference in feel, quality, etc. Doubt there would be a market for that (at least not a big one), but it would be interesting at the very least.
My "sparkly yellow" Opto Fuse is not overstable at all. Like the other Fuse I've got, it will overturn to right and stay on that course if I throw it hard enough so you'll need to release on hyzer for straight shots. If I want to throw midrange with full power I prefer the Explorer.
Totally disagree about use of same flight numbers on different plastics. Often the difference is not subtle at all. It's one thing to have a single plastic that starts overstable and breaks in to become neutral or overstable, but I have some discs that vary out of the box by +/- 2 in stability and glide depending on plastic, no matter their age.
Quite informative. Unfortunately it seems this basic: In pro sports, quality, consistent, reliable equipment is absolutely central to success. There have been discs on the market which gave this, made of something other than typical disc plastic, we were not medical grade & didn’t cost $100 a pop. So it can be done. The issue is, companies are pot committed to investments in machines and relationships which go back to what was available in the 1970’s & in spite of the massive growth of the sport, they would rather spend the money on celebrity pro sponsorships to keep selling what they already make than invest in machinery & relationships which would allow them to make professional quality equipment for a professional sport. It is total insanity to expect people to continue to buy discs not knowing whether they will have to adjust their entire game because this one isn’t even close to the one they already have which is marketed as though it is precisely the same thing. It is time for disc golf to join the 21st century and take itself seriously as a pro sport. This doesn’t mean getting on ESPN & having flashy events & celebrity pros. This means having equipment which is worthy of the word “professional”.
Innova corvette star and Innova corvette pro plastic actually has 2 different flight numbers… so I feel they should have just created 2 different disc names. As the seller didn’t change the numbers. So to your point about staying with 1 number. Yes, in having to stay with one number per disc, and if it changes, change. The disc name. :) nice vid guys…
This question is not to ”bash” on latitude at all, in fact i really like your discs and bag multiple of them BUT, my opto ballista pros change their flight characteristics alot fast than my star destroyers, is this intentional to make people buy new discs more often or is it just hard to find a really really durable plastic?
Gotta say. I definitely disagree with Jonathan on the flight numbers thing. Half the reason flight numbers are confusing is because they don’t match up with how the disc actually flies. If every disc had correct flight numbers, it’d be MUCH easier.
They're disc manufacturer employees, shhh. They could mechanically test every run and rate it against a quantifyable system, even if it's just their own. I don't know if the market would pay enough for it though.
I'm not a huge fan of calling them "beginner" or "high-end" plastics. I for one absolutely love my series of Retro Burst discs and bag them regularly for tournament play. Woods, park, rocky hillside, no matter. I know these discs and throw them well. I would not call it a "beginner" or "less-than-best" plastic. It's just a plastic that has a different grip or durability than the same molds in Opto.
Ah, the ones that hit ONE tree and turn into a roller? Ya, we dealt with that crap for YEARS. It's cheaper plastic. The majority of people are throwing discs that are too fast and too heavy for their arm speed. That is just a fact.
No more flight numbers... ever! Seriously, just be consistent with the ones you have. lol, rant over. Not saying you're not consistent, that was a generic rant. Yeah, you can learn alot from touching other discs... I was at a league game and kept asking to look at other discs, nobody seemed weirded out by it. As always, superior content, which earns you the SMASH of approval =) Have a lovely weekend, y'all.
