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Evidence of Early Medieval Welsh in Kintbury, Berkshire Plus the Landing Place (“hyð”) on the Kennet 

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Part two of my visit to Kintbury in Berkshire. I discuss the hithe (“hyð”) mentioned in the Eddington charter next door and offer the suggestion that the hithe is in Kintbury. Plus I talk about placenames refering to the Welsh.
These history walk videos are about the English landscape in and around the south west of England (though I make the odd foray into Wales). I often use ancient charters (such as Saxon charters) to give me insight into the way the landscape was viewed in the past.
But it is not the Saxons that interest me the most (though they do) but the prehistoric world and its ancient monuments, trackways and ditches.
#Archaeology #oldenglishcharters #antiquarians #historywalks #britishhistory

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@JimBagby74
@JimBagby74 Месяц назад
I've been busy and I've missed a few videos but I'm catching up. Elf Warrior? I thought that was a Prog band from the 70s!
@AllotmentFox
@AllotmentFox Месяц назад
And his parents were almost definitely Christian. It’s the equivalent of calling a child Lucifer unless (a) the word meant nothing after a while or (b) they had a sneaking admirati9n for such concepts
@AllotmentFox
@AllotmentFox Месяц назад
It is not a massive deal to repair a brick wall either, though skilled work. Try replacing rebar easily!
@WC21UKProductionsLtd
@WC21UKProductionsLtd Месяц назад
Fascinated by the origin of “Audrey”. I need to find out more about old English names that have survived. Cheers.
@AllotmentFox
@AllotmentFox Месяц назад
The only male names still used that I can count are Oswald (not that popular after Mosley), Edward, Alfred and Godwin. There are quite a few women's though.
@WC21UKProductionsLtd
@WC21UKProductionsLtd Месяц назад
@@AllotmentFox cheers - I didn’t know the origin of Audrey and would never have guessed it was old English. My attempts to name a son Godwin were vetoed, but I got away with Edward.
@AllotmentFox
@AllotmentFox Месяц назад
@WC21UKProductionsLtd where does Darren come from? It’s not a Christian name, I don’t think, or is it?
@WC21UKProductionsLtd
@WC21UKProductionsLtd Месяц назад
@@AllotmentFox sadly it comes from the 1960s to my knowledge! A character in an American TV show called Bewitched, I believe! I have seen some attempts to give it a Medieval basis, but it’s just wishful thinking!
@iainmc9859
@iainmc9859 Месяц назад
I was reading a thesis the other day that proposed (it had made a few assumptions and may have been prone to confirmation bias) that nearly all the long rivers in the English speaking lowland areas had kept their 'Celtic' names, as long rivers tend to have simple two syllable names; whereas the shorter upland rivers, that would have had a longer more locally descriptive name lost their Celtic names as the Anglo-Saxons couldn't pronounce them and just gave them their own Germanic names when they moved north westwards. Seems reasonable, although I suspect there may be many exceptions if you look closely enough.
@AllotmentFox
@AllotmentFox Месяц назад
It is only the river names (except for Spinis) that survive in West Berkshire and quite a few of them are Celtic (Grundy thinks some are pre-Celtic but how he would know that heaven knows). The early English were often hegemonic in imposing their culture, or it was just too sexy and everyone abandoned their own culture in favour of it. I think hegemony. But the river names were a blind spot for them. I suspose they just weren’t important enough to claim or they respected the watery gods. The gods of the land aren’t all that likely to kill you, the river gods, though …
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick Месяц назад
Ever thought about putting some of this research into a book?
@AllotmentFox
@AllotmentFox Месяц назад
I have thought about it. The most I have ever written was 35,000 words so I could probably stretch to 70,000 with some effort.
@tweedyoutdoors
@tweedyoutdoors Месяц назад
A very pensive video, lovely footage as always - perhaps a slight air of melancholy to it? I might have been reading too much into it, or maybe it was the music...? As ever, some really eye-opening insights into toponymy - Rotherhithe definitely struck a chord for me. I wonder if Wallingford might have similar derivation to Wallingtons? It always had a slight air to me of a little island somehow.
@AllotmentFox
@AllotmentFox Месяц назад
I was looking at the use of the word melancholy-an old-fashioned word-and it had declined from the 19th-C but has seen a big resurgence in the latter part of the 20th-C. Why not use the word depression? I suggest because some people can be melancholic without being unwell: a character trait as legitimate as optimism if we allow people to be what they are. It might be related to introspection in some way. Spotting the difference between ‘wall’ and Welsh “Wealh” is really hard but the authorities are clear of the Welsh link here. They are less so with Wallingford though between you and I I reckon it might be Welsh. I don’t want to be wrong with my videos (and there have been a couple of stinkers) so I am careful to make sure my assertions are more likely supported than not. Thanks for commenting!
@tweedyoutdoors
@tweedyoutdoors Месяц назад
@@AllotmentFox Yes I'm quite possibly misusing it compared with the original meaning of the word but melancholy to me suggests a state which is not too serious, adjacent to wistful perhaps. ...and I think we might have touched on this before in a previous discussion of where the Ridgeway might have crossed the Thames originally, but do I recall correctly Wallingford was likely too far north to be a reasonable candidate? I like the idea that in the early medieval period the English might have called things "Welsh" to suggest they were remembered as being pre-Roman. So as a piece of completely unsubstantiated conjecture, if the Ridgeway around there had been repurposed under Roman rule, they might have found a more pragmatic river crossing (Moulsford?) but a memory of the former pre-Roman route might have been fossilised in Wallingford.
@AllotmentFox
@AllotmentFox Месяц назад
@@tweedyoutdoors yes I agree with that assessment with melancholy, I’m just surprised anyone still uses it and it seems from the statistics everyone is. THE Ridgeway: I think if we are talking really old use then Goring is our man. But in the summer a short cut could be had at Wallingford. I don’t think the ancestors were any different from us so they wouldn’t have turned down a short cut if there was a good road. Consider the names Cholsey and Mackney, both having ey meaning island and the more in Moreton means marsh so it would’ve been tough walking going up to Wallingford. Moulsford has the element -ford so that is a good candidate, the Thames being a dangerous barrier. If there was a ford at Goring that would be our best answer (apart from digging). Plus the official ridgeway on the west bank meets the Icknield way on the east there so that is a compelling clue as long as whoever decided those marks on the map were competent. If you were a mesolithic hunter the whole landscape would have been wooded, the only means of navigation would have been to follow a river or keep to the ridges. So if we are interested in the concept of THE Ridgeway being meaningful at that distance in time then I think that is the answer: ridge, ford, ridge with the shortest gaps in-between. All in all, I would be sceptical of a built up, ditched road short-cut to Wallingford until the Iron Age and probably the Roman period. There is a Roman road going to Dorchester-on-Thames from (probably) the Ridgeway/Icknield Street through Brightwell-cum-Sotwell.
@thebeatentrack156
@thebeatentrack156 Месяц назад
Very good, I was born at Wawcot way back in 64. There was a Norman called Robert de Wallington who owned the lands of Wallingtons and locally we're unsure if his name came from Wallingtons or he gave his name to it. There are other instances of Normans taking on the name of their estates so I'm going for that. Avington Church is something else, if you've not done so you should check out Hungerford virtual museums section on it. Also feel free to watch my Avington Church tour, hoping to get inside one day. Great video.
@AllotmentFox
@AllotmentFox Месяц назад
Did you ever get to see any locally held documents about Wawcott? The place is intriguing. Avington also has Norman carvings inside apparently and I am gutted I couldn’t get in. I have been enjoying the Hungerford virtual museum. They should take over a room in tha5 underused white elephant of a town hall. I’ve never seen it open.
@thebeatentrack156
@thebeatentrack156 Месяц назад
@@AllotmentFox No, I've never seen any local documents, they're probably all held by craven estates if they exist, they used to have their hunting kennels down there. Not sure if your aware but Gelling does suggest in the bounds of Oare (Chieveley not Wiltshire BCS 1225) that 'Wealcottes Leahe' may have been a detached piece of woodland belonging to Wawcott.
@AllotmentFox
@AllotmentFox Месяц назад
@@thebeatentrack156 That's chuffing miles away. Can you imagine the Saxon lord telling his tenants to walk 8 miles cut some trees down and walk back again? If I remember rightly that location was: (1) called 'wall' rather than Welsh by Grundy and (2) the HER suspects a Roman villa there, which is a very enticing idea the last of the occupants being called Welsh.
@AllotmentFox
@AllotmentFox Месяц назад
@@thebeatentrack156 is there still a Craven estate, ie a working farm?
@thebeatentrack156
@thebeatentrack156 Месяц назад
@@AllotmentFox No, I don't think so. I do know that the Museum Of English Rural Life hold a collection from the Craven family but its contents I know not.
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