Evidence that the Church Fathers Believed in the Eucharist 

@TOTSY.MUSIC.LIST.1944 I suggest you search on RU-vid for: "Miracles of the Eucharist", particularly the one of Buenos Aires which involved the future Pope Francis, then Bishop Bergoglio. God bless.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communion How do you labor for the food that endures to eternal life? Believe in me! (John 6:27, 29) “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me [in faith] shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.” (John 6:35) “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:40) “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.” (John 6:47) -------------------------------- When the crowd took offense at his gruesome talk, Jesus exposed their unbelief: “The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe” (John 6:63-64). don't stop on v53, John 6:60-61,63 KJV Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? [61] When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? [63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. -> you see, Jesus clarified on v63 that the WORDS HE SPAKE ARE SPIRIT, not LITERAL.

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@@aaabbb-py5xd No problem. I already knew a lot of this material, since it is part of the deposit of the Apostolic Faith we have received from the Apostles. But I did like: 1) the letter to the Ephesians where the Eucharist is called the medicine to immortality and anti-dote to death. Mind-blowing how many times I have read/heard that and didn't reflect on its deeper significance to the Real Presence as we understand it. 2) how the natural process of us taking food which is not us (ie. bread, meat, milk, etc.) it becomes part of us (an arm, an eye, a muscle, etc.). Jesus does the same to plain bread miracuously at the eucharist so we may eat His Flesh and drink His Blood and have eternal life within us. 3)What truly unites us as Catholics is not common belief (though it helps), BUT more importantly te more often we receive the Eucharist, Jesus is actually consuming us and we are becoming a part of His body, just as the food we eat becomes a true part of us. Non-caths are missing out on such a unique relationship with our God. 4) Jesus often described the heavenly banquet as a marriage banquet. That our union with Him was akin to a marriage, Him the Groom, we the Bride. It makes so much sense that within the Eucharist we get the joining of two flesh into one. This only makes real sense if two bodies are involved in reality; not just symbolic. That was just a few amazing insigts I can recall off-hand.

@angelacartland3867 Angela, The "unsaved" are resurrected with their human bodies and their condemned souls united to them for eternity Those who died in Grace and their souls are in Heaven, at the end of times their glorified bodies are resurrected to be united with their saved souls, just like Jesus showed us. God bless.

@@joecastillo8798 Thanks Joe, but that much I kind of already knew. I meant, how in the light of Joe's talk, with the redeemed receiving what is necessary for resurrection through the Eucharist, which the unsaved either have not received or received unworthily, the unsaved too are resurrected?

@@joecastillo8798 But it is certainly helpful to realise the condemned just get an ordinary body, I did not get that before. Blessings.

@@angelacartland3867 Communion How do you labor for the food that endures to eternal life? Believe in me! (John 6:27, 29) “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me [in faith] shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.” (John 6:35) “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:40) “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.” (John 6:47) -------------------------------- When the crowd took offense at his gruesome talk, Jesus exposed their unbelief: “The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe” (John 6:63-64). don't stop on v53, John 6:60-61,63 KJV Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? [61] When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? [63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. -> you see, Jesus clarified on v63 that the WORDS HE SPAKE ARE SPIRIT, not LITERAL.

quote---This makes perfect sense but my question then is, how are the unsaved also resurrected? unquote Revelation 20:11-15 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.r >>>>Revelation 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. >>>John 5:29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment. >>>Daniel 12:2 Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. --After the 1000 years, the wicked will be resurected.

Communion How do you labor for the food that endures to eternal life? Believe in me! (John 6:27, 29) “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me [in faith] shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.” (John 6:35) “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:40) “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.” (John 6:47) -------------------------------- When the crowd took offense at his gruesome talk, Jesus exposed their unbelief: “The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe” (John 6:63-64). don't stop on v53, John 6:60-61,63 KJV Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? [61] When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? [63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. -> you see, Jesus clarified on v63 that the WORDS HE SPAKE ARE SPIRIT, not LITERAL.

@@mitchellosmer1293 Why do you comment as if I and others have not heard these weak/fallacious Protestant arguments before? The opposite of spirit/spiritual is NOT literal. The Holy Spirit is not mere metaphor. What was the unbelief that Jesus exposed? Their unbelief in Him AND His words about His flesh and blood being true food and drink that MUST be eaten and drunk. What was the "hard saying" of Jesus the disciples referred to? His flesh and blood being true food and drink that MUST be eaten and drunk. A mere symbolic meaning would not be a hard saying. Are you exposing your own unbelief in this hard saying of Jesus? How can you possibly know the meaning of the gospel of John better than Ignatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr, and Irenaeus?? According to early historical sources, Ignatius was ordained by the Apostle Peter, was a disciple of the Apostle John, and was the 2nd bishop of Antioch after Peter the Apostle and Evodius. Irenaeus was a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of the Apostle John. Your misinterpretation of Jn 6 doesn't have a leg to stand on, either from the text itself or the historical successors of John.

@@mitchellosmer1293 Actually when Jesus says it is 'spirit and life' then He means it LITERALLY and not symbolically. That is why He also said 'It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail;' So eating mere bread, or even symbolic bread does NOTHING. That is why the Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus under the appearance of bread and wine so it can truly do what it signifies. That is how Apostolic Christians believed direct from the Apostles. Your interpretation only began with other un-believers in Luther, Calvin, et. Al.

@@39knights How do you labor for the food that endures to eternal life? Believe in me! (John 6:27, 29) “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me [in faith] shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.” (John 6:35) “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:40) “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.” (John 6:47) When the crowd took offense at his gruesome talk, Jesus exposed their unbelief: “The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe” (John 6:63-64). don't stop on v53, John 6:60-61,63 KJV Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? [61] When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? [63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. -> you see, Jesus clarified on v63 that the WORDS HE SPAKE ARE SPIRIT, not LITERAL. -John 6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.--unquote Obviously you have NO understanding of that verse!!!! READ IT AGAIN!!! "he who comes to Me will not hunger"- his body "he who believes in Me will never thirst.-"--His blood!!! Whomever FOLLOWS Jesus will NOT hunger--due to His words!!! Whomever BELIEVES in Jesus will NOT THIRST--due to His words!!! Early church leaders knew nothing of transubstantiation. The eucharist hardly makes any exegetical since to start with. Tradition cannot be the will of God if it goes against the word of God. Jesus uses parallelism in this discourse to equate believing with eating his flesh. Note the parallel between verse 40 and verse 54: (Jn. 6:40) “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.” (Jn. 6:54) “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” .>>According to this parallel, beholding and believing (v.40) are equated with eating and drinking Christ’s flesh (v.54). This is further paralleled by verse 35: >>>Irenaeus of Lyons (AD 180) stated that the elements do not lose the nature of bread and wine (Against Heresies, 4.18.4-5; 5.2.2). >>>Tertullian (AD 200) said Jesus’ statement was figurative (Against Marcion, 3.19). >>>Clement of Alexandria (AD 200) called the bread and wine symbols of Jesus’ body (The Instructor, I.6). >>>Origen (AD 250) held his typical allegorical and spiritual view when referring to the elements in the Last Supper. >>>>Eusebius of Caesarea (AD 340) called the elements the body and blood of Christ, but also referred to them as symbolic of spiritual realities (On the Theology of the Church, 3.2.12). >>>Augustine (AD 350) believed that John 6:53 should be understood spiritually and symbolically-not literalistically (On Christian Doctrine 3.16.2). Gelasius I (5th century pope): “The sacrament which we receive of the body and blood of Christ is a divine thing. Wherefore also by means of it we are made partakers of the divine nature. Yet the substance or nature of the bread and wine does not cease to be… Thus, as the elements pass into this, that is, the divine substance by the Holy Ghost, and none the less remain in their own proper nature.” (Bread and wine) *****Did all those whom Catholics quote so much lie???? *******(Jn. 6:35) I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. >>(Jn. 6:54) “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” >>>To “hunger” and “thirst” and parallel to the one who “eats” and “drinks.” *****But note what Jesus says satisfies our hunger: “He who comes to Me… he who believes in Me.” Jesus isn’t speaking about his literal flesh and blood any more than he is speaking about literal bread (Jn. 6:35) or literal water (Jn. 4:10-14). Indeed, Jesus uses the term sarx for his “body,” rather than the common term sōma (which was the common term used in the Lord’s Supper). Indeed, the “term ‘flesh’ is never used in the NT to refer to the Lord’s Supper.” Hence, this seems “to caution against a sacramental or eucharistic understand of these verses.” This is why Augustine of Hippo wrote regarding this passage: “Believe, and you have eaten.” >>Jesus works in metaphor’s, analogy and hyperbole. In Mark 8 Jesus uses bread language again anhesd calls out those confused thinking he’s being literal not realizing the spiritual message. ----So, by your reckoning, Jesus comes down to earrh for every communion and cuts up His body, then drains hIs blood for all. Right??? ----

The question of whether or not Jesus received his own body and blood is not definitively settled. St.Jerome, in the 5th century, said “The Lord Jesus Christ, Himself the guest and banquet, is both the partaker and what is eaten.” Thus, many Catholic theologians feel Christ received His own body yet differently from the rest of us who benefit from this sacrament spiritually. Obviously Christ did not need to receive the increase in grace, which we receive in the Eucharist today.

Communion How do you labor for the food that endures to eternal life? Believe in me! (John 6:27, 29) “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me [in faith] shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.” (John 6:35) “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:40) “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.” (John 6:47) -------------------------------- When the crowd took offense at his gruesome talk, Jesus exposed their unbelief: “The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe” (John 6:63-64). don't stop on v53, John 6:60-61,63 KJV Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? [61] When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? [63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. -> you see, Jesus clarified on v63 that the WORDS HE SPAKE ARE SPIRIT, not LITERAL.

@@clivejames5058 Communion How do you labor for the food that endures to eternal life? Believe in me! (John 6:27, 29) “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me [in faith] shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.” (John 6:35) “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:40) “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.” (John 6:47) -------------------------------- When the crowd took offense at his gruesome talk, Jesus exposed their unbelief: “The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe” (John 6:63-64).

Jesus let the first Protestants leave his Church rather than say the Eucharist is merely a symbol.

@@fantasia55 what do you mean? Luther? Luther never questioned transubstantiation. The reformation wasn’t about that. Transubstantiation was a heresy later discovered after people started reading the Bible. And reading scripture is a Torah tradition. You might think to yourself who has the right to interpret scripture. Well, believers in Christ have every right to interpret scripture. Torah tradition encouraged all Jews to read. Holy scripture. So with the New Testament, it’s suddenly too hard to read? Seriously? I can’t think of a single book in the New Testament harder to read than Leviticus, numbers, Genesis, Isaiah, I mean, the list goes on. So you have to ask yourself, either the church became stupid and it’s congregants lost the ability to read or the church is wrong. Given the dark ages, perhaps a little bit of both? Lol. When the new testament was written, it was written during a time, when Jews were fluent in the Torah and were multilingual. Today we don’t have that, but Jews of the time, including Rome knew Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. It is only the church today that is commonly limited to one singular language, that we suddenly think who has the right to interpret or read such things. If anything, we’ve gotten dumb by comparison to the first church in terms of literature. So it’s one thing to say we don’t have the right to interpret scripture and it’s quite another thing to just admit to yourself that you’re dumbfounded by scripture. Ironically scripture talks about people like that. They are unbelievers because the god of this world blind them to the truth of scripture. Words of Paul

@@bobbyrice6847 Early Christians were unanimous about the Eucharist being the Body and Blood of Christ. They argued about everything except that.

@@bobbyrice6847 The first Protestants are described in John 6, followers who left the Church rather than believe the Eucharist is the actual Body and Blood of Jesus.

@@fantasia55 not even,… as i show above. If I’m wrong, look up what I call out and prove me wrong. I’m open and I’m happy to listen and discuss cordially and kindly.

Communion How do you labor for the food that endures to eternal life? Believe in me! (John 6:27, 29) “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me [in faith] shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.” (John 6:35) “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:40) “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.” (John 6:47) -------------------------------- When the crowd took offense at his gruesome talk, Jesus exposed their unbelief: “The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe” (John 6:63-64). don't stop on v53, John 6:60-61,63 KJV Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? [61] When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? [63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. -> you see, Jesus clarified on v63 that the WORDS HE SPAKE ARE SPIRIT, not LITERAL.

Dear @lupelo8819, Jesus is still alive, Ask Him.

@@susand3668 Yes, Jesus is still alive,but not in the eucharist. A born believer in Jesus Christ has God in his fulness dwelling in him.Why eat him literally?!??

A born again believer has God in all his fulness dwelling in him.Why eat him?!?

Dear@@lupelo8819, agreed, He dwells in our hearts. So why did He tell us that we meed to eat His Body and drink His Blood-- which He said in every Gospel (10 times in John) and in Paul's inspired firsy letter to the Corinthians. Or don't you believe in the Bible, that you have to close your eyes to the plain meaning? If you are invincibly ignorant, God will forgive you, I hope and pray. I would like you to get into Heaven. Let us pray for one another.

Sorry but the Eucharist is real and it is Jesus Christ

1 Corinthians 10:16-21 1 Corinthians 11:27-30

@@christinacastillon6439 Oh, so you say that 1 Cor. 10:16-21 and 11:27-30 say that the apostles participated in a cannibalistic ceremony of snacking on Jesus' literal body and blood? How sick of you, pal.

No you say cannibalism here. Just like the Pagan Romans and some Jews and athiests great company you have there. Jack Chick anybody?